Gregsynth 02.09.2013 13:54 |
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Nitroboy 02.09.2013 15:05 |
And what a joy it is to bug you about adding new notes! :D |
inu-liger 02.09.2013 15:13 |
Nice work there, Greg! |
inu-liger 02.09.2013 15:14 |
-double post- |
brunogorski 02.09.2013 20:26 |
Nice, Greg! |
MadTheSwine73 02.09.2013 20:45 |
Awesome. |
master marathon runner 03.09.2013 01:08 |
Are you currently in full time employment? |
Queenfred 03.09.2013 03:11 |
master marathon runner wrote: Are you currently in full time employment Heh, nice. |
DepeX 03.09.2013 03:29 |
Thanks! |
BradMay 03.09.2013 07:21 |
His range is insane. Mind you, the notes from E6 - A6 are Whistled, and the G#1 - A1 - C2 are fry. Anyways, i think it still is an amazing race. Is the G#1 confirmed ? It was a note on Ride The Wild Wind right? |
Kacio 03.09.2013 12:04 |
Wow ! :D Thank you Greg! :) |
inu-liger 03.09.2013 12:45 |
master marathon runner wrote: Are you currently in full time employment?Is it any of your business? |
master marathon runner 03.09.2013 13:10 |
Haha! |
Gregsynth 03.09.2013 13:18 |
BradMay wrote: His range is insane. Mind you, the notes from E6 - A6 are Whistled, and the G#1 - A1 - C2 are fry. Anyways, i think it still is an amazing race. Is the G#1 confirmed ? It was a note on Ride The Wild Wind right? Yep, that's all true. The G#1 is a growl on Ride The Wild Wind. Everything above D6 is whistle and everything below F2 is either spoken or fry/growl. |
inu-liger 03.09.2013 16:44 |
master marathon runner wrote: Haha!I wasn't joking around... |
master marathon runner 03.09.2013 18:29 |
Neither was I !!- haha! |
AssDudeRule 03.09.2013 18:45 |
wow.... nice work |
Sebastian 04.10.2013 06:54 |
Leroy Brown is still missing. First of all, it hasn't been confirmed that it's slowed down, and even if it were, it was most likely slowed down from a D or an Eb, which is still fairly low. |
Gregsynth 04.10.2013 13:19 |
Sebastian wrote: Leroy Brown is still missing. First of all, it hasn't been confirmed that it's slowed down, and even if it were, it was most likely slowed down from a D or an Eb, which is still fairly low.I didn't include that note because it was edited (slowed down from a higher note). I wish there was an unedited version of that phrase out there. |
Sebastian 04.10.2013 14:25 |
But that's my point, as I wrote earlier: 1. There's no proof it's been varisped, just a comment from Roger saying that he 'THOUGHT' they 'MAY' have done that. 2. In the case they effectively slowed it down, then they probably slowed it down from either a D or an Eb, which is still fairly low. |
Gregsynth 04.10.2013 15:01 |
It's likely scenario 2. What I can do is send that Leroy Brown note to someone who can reverse the varisped effect. Maybe we can figure out the "real" note. BTW, how did you come up with D2/Eb2 as a guess? |
Nitroboy 04.10.2013 15:25 |
Gregsynth wrote: It's likely scenario 2. What I can do is send that Leroy Brown note to someone who can reverse the varisped effect. Maybe we can figure out the "real" note. BTW, how did you come up with D2/Eb2 as a guess? My guess is it had to be a note very close to it, as for it not to sound odd, or be too hard to do (singing it sped-up in a normal tone for it to sound normal when slowed-down, would require it to be sung very fast) Just my guess. |
Gregsynth 04.10.2013 15:33 |
That's why I sent a sample of the Bring Back notes to someone. I told him to play around with that and change the pitch/speed so Freddie is hitting higher notes (D2-F2 instead of the C2). I'll then compare his timbre there to known notes he's sung. |
madprofessorus 09.10.2013 04:02 |
Nice work here,although I do believe that's not the real thing that made Freddie so unique, I can name a few singers who sing in high notes like Michael kiske, Steve Benito etc.Freddie had the ability to change his voice for the needs of every song, sometimes he did many changes in a single song,and that's something that I haven't heard in many great singers. |
BradMay 09.10.2013 11:14 |
I doubt that Freddie was a Low Tenor btw, i think he is a High Baritone. His voice always becomes a bit more strainy around G4/A4 which is the common area of a High Baritone, His Low Notes are quite full/Deep, and not thin and whispery as the low notes of a Low Tenor. His Speaking voice reminds me of a Tenor, but i doubt he was one. His voice started to get higher in timbre around '88 why was that? When i heard him sing on Innuendo for the first time it scared me... i always thought that it was because of the drastic weightloss, that would make his voice sound higher and "thinner" (Although he never sung/sounded better than in his HIV period) |
Gregsynth 09.10.2013 14:25 |
BradMay wrote: I doubt that Freddie was a Low Tenor btw, i think he is a High Baritone. His voice always becomes a bit more strainy around G4/A4 which is the common area of a High Baritone, His Low Notes are quite full/Deep, and not thin and whispery as the low notes of a Low Tenor. His Speaking voice reminds me of a Tenor, but i doubt he was one. His voice started to get higher in timbre around '88 why was that? When i heard him sing on Innuendo for the first time it scared me... i always thought that it was because of the drastic weightloss, that would make his voice sound higher and "thinner" (Although he never sung/sounded better than in his HIV period)He's a lower tenor. He's got the brightness and tessitura of a tenor in the upper range and his low notes were forced (at least in the 70s) and don't have the "boom" that a baritone has. He also dodged a lot of lower notes live (and replaced them with higher harmonies). There are countless clips of squeaky clean upper fourth and 5th octave notes from studio and live clips Montserrat Caballe helped fixed his technique and Freddie's mix voice technique improved. Unfortunately, soon after--the illness slowly started thinning out his voice (which was also causing a loss of chest power). So Freddie compensated by mixing more head voice into his upper range and didn't use too much vibrato in comparison to previous albums. That caused Freddie to sound "higher" and "thinner." |
Nitroboy 09.10.2013 14:28 |
BradMay wrote: I doubt that Freddie was a Low Tenor btw, i think he is a High Baritone. His voice always becomes a bit more strainy around G4/A4 which is the common area of a High Baritone, His Low Notes are quite full/Deep, and not thin and whispery as the low notes of a Low Tenor. His Speaking voice reminds me of a Tenor, but i doubt he was one. His voice started to get higher in timbre around '88 why was that? When i heard him sing on Innuendo for the first time it scared me... i always thought that it was because of the drastic weightloss, that would make his voice sound higher and "thinner" (Although he never sung/sounded better than in his HIV period) I've only heard him strain around G4-A4 on bad shows. Freddie was not a baritone, let's compare him to Roger, Roger is a "standard" tenor, his low notes are not as powerful/deep as Freddie's. His speaking voice reminds you of a tenor- because he was one. Listen to his singing/speaking voice in the 70's, it should be very obvious. His timbre loosened up/got higher around '88 because he hadn't toured for a long time, so his voice was well rested. You are also correct that his weight loss impacted his voice, while his voice was quite thin around '89-'91, I do believe he was at his peak vocally. madprofessorus wrote: Nice work here,although I do believe that's not the real thing that made Freddie so unique, I can name a few singers who sing in high notes like Michael kiske, Steve Benito etc.Freddie had the ability to change his voice for the needs of every song, sometimes he did many changes in a single song,and that's something that I haven't heard in many great singers. I agree, it's not just about what notes you can hit, but also (more importantly if you ask me) how you sing and use your range. Freddie had a remarkable range, and he used it very well - both in the studio and live. |
Gregsynth 09.10.2013 14:36 |
I say Freddie's best assets were his tone, phrasing, and use of his voice in general. The range was just an added bonus! |
BradMay 13.10.2013 16:26 |
Maybe i shouldn't do this AT ALL, but.. Every Vocal Range of Freddie Mercury video has I'm Going Slightly Mad WRONG. They say his lowest note is an A2. That is indeed the lowest note in the VERSE. On the CHORUS he goed lower.. He hits G#2s on the word "Going" |
Gregsynth 13.10.2013 16:39 |
He hits A2s on "Going." A G#2 wouldn't even fit in the key! There are lower notes on that song though. He bottoms out on a G2 on the first line "outside temperature RISES." |
BradMay 14.10.2013 05:40 |
Greg, it has G#2s :P Trust me.. they're there. The song has multiple modulations throughout, it starts in Dminor for example, but for the chorus it modulates to Dmajor. The bridge is in F#major, and the last chorus is in Emajor. The Chorus chord progression is: D Ddim Gm/d D Ddim Gm/e I’m going slightly mad I’m going slightly mad F Em It finally happened, happened, It finally happened ooh woh F G#dim Gm7 Dm It finally happened, I’m slightly mad, oh dear link 0:57. the word "Going" is on the Ddim which exists out of a D an F and a G#, so the G# fits perfectly onto that chord. |
Bohardy 14.10.2013 06:43 |
BradMay is completely right. Fred's intonation is a little off on the Ab of 'SLIGHTly' in a couple of places, but it's definitely an Ab in the melody there, and he definitely hits it a few times. Similarly, 'when the outside temperature riSES' is meant to be an A, not a G. Fred seems to overdo it a little bit and end up a little bit flat at somewhere around the Ab. But the melody is definitely meant to go to an A, not a G there. |
BradMay 14.10.2013 06:55 |
If he would've hit the G#2 or the G2s in the verse it would be weird sounding (Because of the Dminor, it would've made it a 7th or 6th in the chord, which would probably end up ugly (With the diminished chords and the Gmin/E chord) |
Sebastian 14.10.2013 09:02 |
On 'rises' the chord is Dm (D-F-A), so a G doesn't make any sense - it'd sound awful! On 'slightly' the chord is Ddim (D-F-Ab), so the Ab is in fact part of the triad. |
Gregsynth 14.10.2013 11:45 |
Heh. I need to go back to listen to these notes. My head's not full of drinks! |
Gregsynth 14.10.2013 11:56 |
Hang on, NOW I hear it. I was completely lost (that's why I shouldn't look for notes while having a few margaritas). I hear A2 on the temperature "rises" line (which drifts into an Ab2), he then hits an Ab2, and mumbles a random G2 just before "and the meaning is oh so clear." On the chorus I hear A2 on "going" then the Ab2 on "slightly mad." I don't think I should note-watch stuff while drinking! :D |
Nitroboy 16.10.2013 07:50 |
To be fair, even I have trouble singing those notes without wavering :P |
Gregsynth 16.10.2013 12:41 |
I can't even hit those regardless! |
Bruno P. 01.11.2013 11:59 |
Great work! Thank you for your hard work. :) In terms of octaves, is that 4 octaves or something like that? |
Gregsynth 01.11.2013 15:11 |
Yep! His sung range (not counting growls, fry, speaking, etc) is four octaves and a major 3rd! |
Bruno P. 06.11.2013 01:10 |
Does that include his whistle notes? How about his total range... 4.5 octaves? Sorry, I know little about the subject but I like what's being discussed. It's just a small part of what made him so great, thank you again for your time and effort. |
Gregsynth 06.11.2013 11:31 |
Bruno P. wrote: Does that include his whistle notes? How about his total range... 4.5 octaves? Sorry, I know little about the subject but I like what's being discussed. It's just a small part of what made him so great, thank you again for your time and effort.Yeah, his sung range includes his whistle notes. If every single note was counted (including his speaking, fry notes, etc) he would have a total range of five octaves and a semitone! Yes, his range was great--but that's just a small part of why Freddie's the man! |
Sebastian 08.11.2013 07:54 |
Yeah Greg, but that's flogging a dead horse: those who've got half a brain and some sense already know range is just one of the many factors involved in a person's vocal quality (or lack thereof), and those who're stupid enough to think range is all that matters won't change their minds by you informing them otherwise. |
Gregsynth 08.11.2013 11:26 |
Sebastian wrote: Yeah Greg, but that's flogging a dead horse: those who've got half a brain and some sense already know range is just one of the many factors involved in a person's vocal quality (or lack thereof), and those who're stupid enough to think range is all that matters won't change their minds by you informing them otherwise.You won't believe some Youtube comments that I've seen concerning Freddie's range! I saw someone write down that Freddie had an 8 octave range (the funniest was 32 octave range) and has the widest range ever! |
Bruno P. 08.11.2013 12:30 |
Hahahahaha! Thank you for that. Thing is - he had the range but knew exactly how and when to use the higher and lower notes more than anybody else. That being said, 5 octave range is really impressive. |
Sebastian 08.11.2013 13:27 |
That 8-octave range thing's been told to death about endless singers. Some people may be mixing up 'octave' with 'semitone' :p |
Sebastian 28.12.2013 08:47 |
Bumped to add album-by-album ranges: Queen: e ('Great King Rat') to a" ('Great King Rat'), which adds up to 2 Octaves + P5. Queen II: c ('March of the Black Queen') to c#"' ('Ogre Battle'). 3 Octaves + m2. Sheer Heart Attack: C ('Leroy Brown') to g" ('Leroy Brown'). 3 octaves + P5. Of course, the C could have been slowed down, but if so, it's from a D or an Eb, which would still add up to an impressive range (3 Octaves + P4 or 3 Octaves + M3). A Night at the Opera: G ('Bo Rhap') to f" ('Love of My Life'). It looks like Freddie really withdrew from the ridiculously high notes for this album and left them all to Roger. For some reason, Fred wasn't sounding too well up there (listen to the 'Bo Rhap' outtakes for Fred doing the a"' on 'very very frightening me'... very, very frightening indeed). Anyway, his range on this album was the same as on 'Queen II': 3 Octaves + m2. A Day at the Races: F ('Somebody to Love') to a" ('You Take My Breath Away'), adding up to 3 Octaves + M3. News of the World: F ('All Dead, All Dead') to e"' ('It's Late'). 3 Octaves + M7. Jazz: G ('Bicycle Race') to c"' ('Don't Stop Me Now'). 3 Octaves + P4. The Game: F ('Don't Try Suicide') to g"' ('Dragon Attack'). 4 Octaves + M2. Flash Gordon: Not sure, but I think it's 3 full octaves: A to a", on 'The Kiss'. Haven't heard that song for a while, though, so don't quote me on that. Hot Space: G# ('Cool Cat') to a" ('Under Pressure'). 3 Octaves + m2 The Works: c ('It's a Hard Life') to a" ('Hammer to Fall'). 2 Octaves + M6. I might be wrong about the low end. Mr Bad Guy: G ('Your Kind of Lover') to bb" ('Let's Turn It On'). 3 Octaves + m3. A Kind of Magic: b ('One Year of Love') to a" ('Princes of the Universe') . 2 Octaves + m7. I might be wrong about the low end. Barcelona: G ('Fallen Priest') to f" ('Barcelona'). 2 Octaves + m7. The Miracle: c ('The Miracle') to e" ('Was It All Worth It'). I'm not sure about the low one and he probably gets a bit higher as well, so I need to check further. But so far: 2 Octaves + M3. Innuendo: Ab ('Slightly Mad') to f" ('All God's People'). 2 Octaves + M6. Post-Innuendo: F ('Mother Love') to bb' ('Mother Love'). 2 Octaves + P4. So far this is the list in descending order: 1. The Game. 2. News of the World. 3. Sheer Heart Attack. 4. Jazz. 5. A Day at the Races. 6. Mr Bad Guy. 7-9. Queen II, Opera & Hot Space. 10. Flash. 11-12. A Kind of Magic & Barcelona. 13-14. The Works & Innuendo. 14. Queen 15. 'Mother Love'. 16. The Miracle. To be continued/corrected. |
Nitroboy 28.12.2013 20:51 |
Nice list! :D |