musicland munich 31.08.2013 23:46 |
Please !!! Before you do a postng here....The horse is dead ! Read Pages 18/ 19 in full !!! I have a look on my private Queen archive :) An article in the german version of the Rolling Stone Magazine( December 95) makes me wonder. Mainly its about David Richards / Made in Heaven Production. But the thing that grabs my attention is a small additional interview with Rudi Dolezal. He said: The last time we filmed Freddie was in Montreux's Duckhouse. ! ( hard to explain) in german language he said it two times in a short sentence - so he seems VERY convinced that this is a fact ! As far as I know the last time Freddie get filmed was in late May for "These are the Days of our lifes" in London. So is the Duckhouse/ Montreux material released somewhere ??? Any ideas ? |
inu-liger 01.09.2013 01:40 |
Any chance you can scan the article? |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 01:59 |
in german words "Zuletzt gefilmt haben wir ihn im "Duckhouse" am Genfer See, jenem kleinen Holzhaus, das auf dem "Made in Heaven" Cover zu sehen ist. In dieses Haus hatte er sich in seinen letzten Monaten zurückgezogen, von hier stammen die Eindrücke (It's a beautiful view), die er für seinen letzten Song " A winters tale" verarbeitet hat, hier haben wir Freddie Mercury das letzte mal gefilmt." in english ( more or less :) " The last time we filmed Freddie was in the "Duckhouse" at lake Geneva . It's that little House made of wood you can see on the Made in heaven Cover. In his last month he often passed some time there. From that place he took his impressions "it's abeautiful view" that he use in the song "A winters tale". Here we filmed Freddie Mercury for the last time" Thats the closing but interresting part of the story/interview |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 02:24 |
here is a close up of it ! If you know someone with good skills in german or a native speaker check it - no problem. |
inu-liger 01.09.2013 02:42 |
YourValentine would probably be most appropriate for that. I've sent her a link to this with a request for help with the translation :-) |
BernieD 01.09.2013 03:29 |
I am a native German Speaker and can confirm that above rough translation is correct (Content-wise) ! Bernie |
antiden 01.09.2013 03:32 |
Thank you, musicland munich, for coming up with this topic! I will explain you why. Some time ago a Queen fan shared the information on a Russian web forum about the very last video of Freddie. It was filmed in Montreux (later than TATDOOL) and supposed to be a promo video for 'Don't Try So Hard'. After Freddie's death Roger, Brian and John decided NEVER to release it due to ethical reasons (simly because Freddie looked very horrible). This person got this info from somebody very close to Queen camp. Of course nobody believed it. But now, after the article you've mentioned... Who knows?.. |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 03:57 |
antiden wrote: Thank you, musicland munich, for coming up with this topic! I will explain you why. Some time ago a Queen fan shared the information on a Russian web forum about the very last video of Freddie. It was filmed in Montreux (later than TATDOOL) and supposed to be a promo video for 'Don't Try So Hard'. After Freddie's death Roger, Brian and John decided NEVER to release it due to ethical reasons (simly because Freddie looked very horrible). This person got this info from somebody very close to Queen camp. Of course nobody believed it. But now, after the article you've mentioned... Who knows?..Make sense to me. Expecally to choose "Don't try so hard" He could not act to a song like "Hitman" at that time. So chances to see this material are about slim and none ??? |
princetom 01.09.2013 05:30 |
translation of the 2nd snippet: in the meantime, i think, it's more than 20 videos now we did with Queen. Among them "FWBF", "The Miracle", "Breakthrough", "TSMGO" and "Innuendo". Additionally there are the videos done while Freddie lived in Munich and from the album "Mr. Bad Guy". The last time we filmed was in the "Duckhouse" at Lake Geneva. That little Blockhouse you can see on the "Made in Heaven"-Cover. In his latest months he retired there. The Impressions of his last song "A Winters Tale" were worked out here ("It's a beautiful view"). Here we filmed Freddie Mercury the last time. -- The DoRo-Documentation "The Queen Phenomenon" including the last Images of Freddie Mercury will be aired on 25.November at 11.30p.m. on ZDF. ---- it's not a perfect translation but it gets the point. === just a question: did anybody see this documentation and is aware of that last shots they did ? |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 05:36 |
I can't remember exactly. But I think they "sell" us "These are the days of our lifes" as his last moving images in that documentation. Edit: Anyone put that (interview with Dolezal) in doubt ? |
Vocal harmony 01.09.2013 06:49 |
Don't Try So Hard was originally planned as the lead single off Innuendo. I believe a video was filmed or at least planned. But it would have been the first video related to the album and not the last. The planned release would have been sept or oct 89 but they decided for what ever reason to wait. Then changed their choice of song |
dave76 01.09.2013 06:54 |
interesting thread, great reading material. |
princetom 01.09.2013 07:24 |
musicland munich wrote: I can't remember exactly. But I think they "sell" us "These are the days of our lifes" as his last moving images in that documentation.i had the same initial thought. but on the other hand they mention the house on lake geneva. hm. odd. |
Kacio 01.09.2013 08:06 |
This is very interesting, but will probably we never see... ;/ |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 10:57 |
Well the theory of a whole promo clip is not necesserely right. Maybe he give somethig like a last Interview as a part of a documentary there. But they didn't use it in the final version because of his condition. I can also remember that I saw a clip on youtube some time ago. It has images of the duckhouse and you can hear Freddie's voice. It starts with something like "The last person that I am talking to - Make the best of it" Maybe they use just( for well known reasons) the audio source of that filmed material ? |
Kacio 01.09.2013 11:33 |
That last interview of Freddie is a snippet of his interview with David Wigg from 1985 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 01.09.2013 12:07 |
musicland munich wrote: in german words "Zuletzt gefilmt haben wir ihn im "Duckhouse" am Genfer See, jenem kleinen Holzhaus, das auf dem "Made in Heaven" Cover zu sehen ist. In dieses Haus hatte er sich in seinen letzten Monaten zurückgezogen, von hier stammen die Eindrücke (It's a beautiful view), die er für seinen letzten Song " A winters tale" verarbeitet hat, hier haben wir Freddie Mercury das letzte mal gefilmt." in english ( more or less :) " The last time we filmed Freddie was in the "Duckhouse" at lake Geneva . It's that little House made of wood you can see on the Made in heaven Cover. In his last month he often passed some time there. From that place he took his impressions "it's abeautiful view" that he use in the song "A winters tale". Here we filmed Freddie Mercury for the last time" Thats the closing but interresting part of the story/interviewwell IHN is indeed in English "him" Though this is written published interview we all know the Publisher of the interview often changes words to make it more spectacular. It could be easy have been : the last time we filmed them , and the latter part was added by a editor. Though indeed there was footage shot of the studio for the Champions of the World documentary. They could have been saying that as well. Or indeed this all could be true , and this footage does indeed excist. If so we can only speculate what happened with the footage : it is shelved somewhere .... or forgotten about. When the Doro's gone bankrupt , JB gave one of them (think it is Rudi but please Wikipedia this one) a financial injection to restart business. (they went bankrupt due to the video clip market crashed, later on Rudi made documentaries like e.g. The Untold Story, wonder why they did not choose him again for the These are the Days docu....) All of the Doro archives (footages) were handed over to QPL. This could be there , maybe no-one opened the boxes untill know. Though I am quite sure if this , such footage was found we wuold have been told on These Are The Days docu. Final possibility is that they came over to Montreux to take some final promo shots for These are the days video... very unlikely ....but plausibel I would say. |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 13:31 |
@ghostwithasmile I agree with some points of what you are saying (Ihm) means him so I replaced it with "Freddie" edited a few words or not...i think in german and english you have different options to build a content. If he ( Dolezal) was unsure he could say something like " The "Duckhouse" is one of the last places we filmed him." But he made a clear point by saying "here" or "there" I can't see a doubt ( in german) that he is convinced that Freddie was filmed in Montreux for the last time It's apossible scenario that some extra footage for (TADOOL) were made there but never released. |
inu-liger 01.09.2013 13:37 |
"wonder why they did not choose him again for the These are the Days docu..." Not sure if a joke or sarcasm... >______> |
Queenman!! 01.09.2013 13:47 |
Only one to confirme is gary taylor |
MAYniac91 01.09.2013 14:42 |
Very interesting, but what was the intension... to see Freddie Mercury much more "horrible ill" than we've did in the TATDOOL Video or is it the fact to "leak" an unknown video clip? To get an answer it is the best way to ask Brian May on his soapbox or write Peter Freestone on his blog. ... yes, I'd love to have also an answer! |
Ale Solan 01.09.2013 15:54 |
Freddie and the duckhouse, 1979. link link |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 16:15 |
MAYniac91 wrote: Very interesting, but what was the intension... to see Freddie Mercury much more "horrible ill" than we've did in the TATDOOL Video or is it the fact to "leak" an unknown video clip? To get an answer it is the best way to ask Brian May on his soapbox or write Peter Freestone on his blog. ... yes, I'd love to have also an answer!Well...he steps in front of a camera for a reason ? I think he was knowing what he was doing. To get those informations out of those guys....I put it in questions/doubts. As Brian May said in the TADOOL-Dokumentary " I guess we lied - to protect him" And maybe they still do...who knows. A release of that material or parts of it just will end the story somehow. |
Kacio 01.09.2013 16:39 |
Everything is possible... |
k-m 01.09.2013 17:09 |
It's funny how stories like this emerge after all these years, even though many people must have bought and read the Rolling Stone article back in '95. The whole thing does seem very plausible, but I don't think we'll ever see this video. Maybe for the better, the "Days of Our Lives" footage was sad enough. |
Bartosz 01.09.2013 18:45 |
Maybe footage mentioned above was partly used in 'A Winter's Tale' and 'Too Much Love Will Kill You' video and the document 'Champions Of The World' when there is about making a 'Made In Heaven' album. Footage of Freddie have been removed. Doro added new interviews with Richards, Beach and May and a couple of shots Montreux after the death of Freddie for the film. Perhaps there is something of the footage discussed above. We do not know in 100% when the DoRo filming the scenes on a lake, on the property in Clarens by Duckhouse ...? Maybe shortly after Freddie's death, or perhaps shortly before ... with him yet...? This is my personal thesis. |
Thistle 01.09.2013 19:05 |
Personally, I hope NEVER to see such footage. TATDOOL absolutely breaks my heart as it is, so footage where Freddie looks even more deteriorated should be kept private - not just for our feelings, but for the man's dignity. Interesting snippet of information, though! |
musicland munich 01.09.2013 22:39 |
Got it ! I am too lazy for a complete translation. But in this little advertise( source unknown/ cut it out somewhere) it says that it contains the last interview - short before his death. the interesting part in german: U.a. ist Freddie Mercury auf seinem letzten, kurz vor seinem Tod gegebenen Interview zu sehen. In german it's a clear meaning that it is a moving images of his last interview - taken short before his death ! So is it replaced in the final cut ? I can't remember an interview with FM that has taken place in late 91 and all my VHS are gone. |
Kuijpy 02.09.2013 03:58 |
I think they still protect him. But if it was filmed, they had the word of Freddie saying yes. So it was Freddies own choice. Maybe is there place on the GREATEST VIDEO HITS for this video? They can release it in 2024 |
Kacio 02.09.2013 04:25 |
If it was an interview, they could at least publish the audio... Yeah, it's stupid that they don't released Greatest Video Hits III... ;/ |
Supersonic_Man89 02.09.2013 07:56 |
I think we would have heard more about it if it was real. I think TATDOOL was the goodbye, and i don't think they planned to release DTSH...it would have been the SIXTH single?! Freddie was never a fan of interviews, so why he would want to do so when he was in constant pain near the end of his life, i don't know. No, for me, it's all nothing stemmed possibly from an editing error in a magazine. |
k-m 02.09.2013 09:59 |
Don't Try So Hard would have been a fantastic farewell single... However, the "Champions of the World" ad seems to suggest it was an interview. Who knows? I wouldn't rule it out. |
musicland munich 02.09.2013 10:51 |
I am sure that "something" has taken place in in Montreux after TADOOL - and Freddie was involved. The most realistic scenario is an last interview/footage. A whole promo Clip ? II think Freddie wasn't in condition for something like that. I will have another look into some of my stuff here - maybe there's something more specific in an article of that time. |
Queenman!! 02.09.2013 12:17 |
I remember thinking about a reason why Qp put so explicid the line "last footage/image of Freddie Mercury" during the days of our lives shoot to make this point very clear and people not demanding for this footage (champions of the world vid) |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 02.09.2013 13:06 |
inu-liger wrote: "wonder why they did not choose him again for the These are the Days docu..." Not sure if a joke or sarcasm... >______>Well their families lost not 1 but even 2 out of 2 world wars, and fucked up Rare Live. This is not the superior race concering of editing videos ;-) |
andres_clip 02.09.2013 16:47 |
Too be honest, people talk about his dignity and the other band members as protecting him....F u c k it I say, maybe it was something Freddie really wanted to do, just tell it all, reveal it all and too show the truth about this terrible diseas..... I love Freddie in good or bad, sick or healthy..... |
Kacio 02.09.2013 17:30 |
andres_clip wrote: Too be honest, people talk about his dignity and the other band members as protecting him....F u c k it I say, maybe it was something Freddie really wanted to do, just tell it all, reveal it all and too show the truth about this terrible diseas..... I love Freddie in good or bad, sick or healthy..... I agree with that what you wrote! |
aion 02.09.2013 19:51 |
I highly doubt that Don't Try So Hard would have been a sixth single from the album or that they would have filmed any kind of video for it. These Are The Days Of Our Lives was clearly meant to be Freddie's farewell and he knew it would be his last performance when he filmed the video. Since Freddie decided to release a statement about his illness only on his deathbed one day before he died, there wouldn't have been any point in a proper filmed interview either. What, he would be sitting there looking to the camera half-dead and talking about his favourite songs or the current state of politics? Hardly. The only possible late footage could be if DoRo met Freddie at Montreux and he was in a relatively good mood and shape that day and they might have casually filmed Freddie just lounging around and making jokes to the camera, chatting this and that - nothing serious or planned. If such footage existed, the rest of the band could have found out about it after his death and decided to destroy it just so that those images wouldn't possibly be splashed all over the sensational British newspapers (as Freddie would have looked pretty terrible). There won't be any kind of revelationary Last Interview or Last Video Clip as a special feature on some future DVD. |
musicland munich 02.09.2013 22:43 |
- sorry double post_ |
musicland munich 02.09.2013 22:44 |
musicland munich wrote:. At that point he knew that Made in Heaven(Album) and any other(filmed) material would be released after his death. That's why he changed his way he worked. On MIH he sing along to basic tracks because he knew time was running out for him.aion wrote: I highly doubt that Don't Try So Hard would have been a sixth single from the album or that they would have filmed any kind of video for it. These Are The Days Of Our Lives was clearly meant to be Freddie's farewell and he knew it would be his last performance when he filmed the video. Since Freddie decided to release a statement about his illness only on his deathbed one day before he died, there wouldn't have been any point in a proper filmed interview either. What, he would be sitting there looking to the camera half-dead and talking about his favourite songs or the current state of politics? Hardly. The only possible late footage could be if DoRo met Freddie at Montreux and he was in a relatively good mood and shape that day and they might have casually filmed Freddie just lounging around and making jokes to the camera, chatting this and that - nothing serious or planned. If such footage existed, the rest of the band could have found out about it after his death and decided to destroy it just so that those images wouldn't possibly be splashed all over the sensational British newspapers (as Freddie would have looked pretty terrible). There won't be any kind of revelationary Last Interview or Last Video Clip as a special feature on some future DVD. Normaly he put his final vocals on a song when the music was almost finished. The last vocals were recorded on 22 May 91 _ Mother-Love( source "Champions of the world" Made in Heaven chapter -David Richards- he held slips of paper wich showing the date of the recording in his hands ). A week later they filmed TADOOL in London. MAYBE there were a few more sessions but -mother love- was the last track he put his vocals on. ( multiple sources). So there was enough time for a session with DoRO left. Possible scenarios - they filmed another promo clip for the Innuendo album or extra footage they filmed a promo clip for the MIH Album - - possible because he recorded it for a reason . They had that hang around footage you talked about. and maybe they do nothing at all - |
YourValentine 03.09.2013 02:03 |
musicland munich wrote: Got it ! I am too lazy for a complete translation. But in this little advertise( source unknown/ cut it out somewhere) it says that it contains the last interview - short before his death. the interesting part in german: U.a. ist Freddie Mercury auf seinem letzten, kurz vor seinem Tod gegebenen Interview zu sehen. In german it's a clear meaning that it is a moving images of his last interview - taken short before his death ! So is it replaced in the final cut ? I can't remember an interview with FM that has taken place in late 91 and all my VHS are gone. We forgot to mention this in the "Queen myth" thread. There was no "last interview shortly before Freddie's death". The interview that was called "last interview" in the promotion of COTW was in fact the common interview in Munich from 1984 which has been published since. It has the line "You are the last person I am talking to" but Freddie meant the last person THAT DAY, because it was a marathon interview day. In the COTW documentary the audio of that interview was heavily edited and added to winterly pictures of Montreux but there was no reality connection between the audio and that video. I am sure there is no "last footage" from Montreux. Here is the original interview just watch the 1st minute link |
inu-liger 03.09.2013 02:12 |
I'll bet you, they probably had no clue where or what his last real interview was (given that this WAS 1995, and the internet was very small in those days so they wouldn't have had the network of fans as big is it is now to do the fact checking!) so they cobbled up random bits to cover up for it. Really unfortunate, but at least now most people are finally getting over that myth it seems... |
cmsdrums 03.09.2013 08:14 |
YourValentine wrote: [ We forgot to mention this in the "Queen myth" thread. There was no "last interview shortly before Freddie's death". The interview that was called "last interview" in the promotion of COTW was in fact the common interview in Munich from 1984 which has been published since. It has the line "You are the last person I am talking to" but Freddie meant the last person THAT DAY, because it was a marathon interview day. In the COTW documentary the audio of that interview was heavily edited and added to winterly pictures of Montreux but there was no reality connection between the audio and that video. I am sure there is no "last footage" from Montreux. Here is the original interview just watch the 1st minute linkIt's terrible isn't it? If DoRo were genuinley mistaken or confused that would just be incompetence, but the fact of the matter is that they intentiaonlly edited this to pull the wool over people's eyes and make out it was something it wasn't. The band and Jim Beach are just as bad really because a lot of the press for that release also bigged up the 'Freddie's last interview' claim. Shameful. |
Doga 03.09.2013 08:20 |
DoRo incompetence...? What the...? Do you ever see Rare Live? |
MAYniac91 03.09.2013 09:10 |
The fact that DoRo and probably Queen used this interview snipped to push the sellings of COTW is really poor and sad. The only reason for me to do that is making money out of Freddies death... nothing more! I think any more thoughts to spin that of is free for everyone... |
The Fairy King 03.09.2013 09:11 |
I'm glad the DoRo guys are gone. What a incompetent pair of farts. |
musicland munich 03.09.2013 11:09 |
Well maybe you can put an advertise in doubt. But WHY choosing a clear meaning that this is his last interview taken - shortly before his death ??? As I sayed - in german you have multiple ways to build a content and i am sure that it would work in english too. They can say somethimng like " It contains one of his last ...But Dolezal and this advertise making a clear point by saying - "blabla ......taken short before his death" Dolezal make it even clearer ( or worser)by saying "the last time that we filmed him was there" ( Duckhouse ) I can't imagine that they gamble with these line just to sell "Champions of the world" But i agree with Inu -liger...in those days they could "do what they want" The fact that they use an older Interview with Freddie is not against the theory that there is a newer " unreleased" footage/interview or promo clip. |
Bohardy 03.09.2013 12:35 |
Aren't there two issues here that people are conflating? There's the Munich 84 interview with the "you're the last person I'm talking to" line, that DoRo shamelessly manipulated to give the impression that Champions Of The World contained Freddie's last interview. This is common knowledge. And then there's the explicit claim that Fred was filmed in the Duckhouse at Montreux shortly before his death. This isn't common knowledge. Two different things, yeah? |
shannaschaffer 03.09.2013 12:37 |
Maybe Rhys Thomas would know if footage exists? |
Darren_1977 03.09.2013 12:39 |
I remember back in 1992 it was in Q magazine i read that Freddie had recorded a couple of videos advising people about the effects of the Aids virus and also mentioning that the band had six albums worth of unreleased tracks, probably a load of rubbish on both accounts though |
Darren_1977 03.09.2013 12:40 |
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YourValentine 03.09.2013 13:58 |
I understood the difference, Bohardy, but I do not believe there was an interview in 1990/91 with DoRo. The article says that the DoRo documentary "Queen Phenomenon (i.e the TV version of COTW) containing the last pictures of FM will be aired on the ZDF November 25". So, I believe that this is the same story: here you have the alleged last interview of Freddie with the last pictures ever taken. If they had owned a new interview they would have used it. I do not want to comment on Rudy's claim that Freddie lived in the tiny wooden shed that features on the MIH album. I have watched various editions of "Queen phenomenon" over the years and each and every time it was announced that the documentary contained "Freddie's last interview" but it never did :-) If some day such an interview should see the light of day I will gladly admit I am wrong but until then I do not believe it exists. Remember that Roger said in the DOOL documentary that he was "surprised" when Freddie agreed to film the IGSM video. In fact, Freddie avoided cameras and all publicity in the last year of his life - why should he film an interview? It makes no sense. Also - if the interview exists - why wasn't it used for the DOOL documentary? They did not seem to have any scruples to show heart breaking backstage footage of the TATDOOL video shoot, certainly they would have had much less reason to lock away footage from an interview which would have been filmed for release, after all.. |
musicland munich 03.09.2013 18:02 |
I call myself Ex or former Queen Fan for a reason. At some point after his death I quit in beliving those guys telling the truth in every word they saying Brian said he knows about his disease in early 1991.( No one in good mental condition can agree with that ) Montserrat Caballe was informed by Freddie in 87/88 that he had full blown AIDS.(source M. Caballe) David Richards knows Freddie was seriously ill in 1990 ( but he belived it was cancer/ source Rolling Stone Interview 1995)...so Brian May didn't noticed anything ? John Deacon ask Jim Hutton 1987 by a pool in Ibiza about the KS stains on Freddies legs Jim answerd it's a sun allergic reaction/ or sun stains ( who think John Deacon is a complete fool ?) after touring with Freddie for about 15 years he knew that something is wrong. ( source Jim Hutton Book "Mercury and Me") Brian May said the last vocals Freddie did was "mother love" (on the champions of the world VHS David Richards held slips of paper in his hands -mother love- is datet 22/5/91). But he was to weak to finish it. - and never returned to the studio again !!! He must be so ill - just one week later he filmed TADOOL in London 30/5/91.??? No more work after those two dates for Freddie ??? Queen/Queen Production they just keep on releasing false versions of the truth. What about the Queen/Freddie Mercury movie ??? I heard of some problems because Brian and Roger want a "Disney family friendly" Production wth no cocaine, no gay sex and no dying - they just can't stop manipulating. . |
Bohardy 04.09.2013 01:55 |
YourValentine wrote: I understood the difference, Bohardy, but I do not believe there was an interview in 1990/91 with DoRo. The article says that the DoRo documentary "Queen Phenomenon (i.e the TV version of COTW) containing the last pictures of FM will be aired on the ZDF November 25". So, I believe that this is the same story: here you have the alleged last interview of Freddie with the last pictures ever taken. If they had owned a new interview they would have used it. I do not want to comment on Rudy's claim that Freddie lived in the tiny wooden shed that features on the MIH album. I have watched various editions of "Queen phenomenon" over the years and each and every time it was announced that the documentary contained "Freddie's last interview" but it never did :-) If some day such an interview should see the light of day I will gladly admit I am wrong but until then I do not believe it exists. Remember that Roger said in the DOOL documentary that he was "surprised" when Freddie agreed to film the IGSM video. In fact, Freddie avoided cameras and all publicity in the last year of his life - why should he film an interview? It makes no sense. Also - if the interview exists - why wasn't it used for the DOOL documentary? They did not seem to have any scruples to show heart breaking backstage footage of the TATDOOL video shoot, certainly they would have had much less reason to lock away footage from an interview which would have been filmed for release, after all..But the claim that Fred was filmed in the Duckhouse makes no mention of an interview. It merely states that that was the last time Freddie was filmed. I agree it seems impossible to believe that Fred would have given a filmed interview at this stage in his life, but there's not really anything in this quote to suggest DoRo were talking about an interview. I don't really believe that it happened, but it's an interesting find, and it means one of two things: either there is some harrowing and unique footage of Fred at the end of his days that will likely never see the light of day, or DoRo are even more shameless at lying than we ever imagined. |
YourValentine 04.09.2013 02:52 |
You are right - they did not claim they filmed Freddie for an interview but for what other purpose could they possibly have filmed a dying artist? I am sure they tried to create the impression that they had a real scoop for the upcoming documentary. |
Sebastian 04.09.2013 07:25 |
It seems that Maylor have set themselves the challenge of hiring people whose incompetence is as big as their (Maylor's) talent. So far, they've done great. I guess DoRo could perform some loophole abuse and argue that the interview was in the last sixth of his life and therefore it could, technically, be deemed 'shortly before he died', compared to, say, 1950 or even 1970. Far-fetched, but not a surprise coming from them. |
DLCVinnuendo 04.09.2013 09:11 |
i don't know that i really see this, it probaly so sad.. |
SimonFerocious 07.09.2013 13:31 |
It's a very long time ago, it's possible the DoRo boys got it mixed up with something else. If they are correct and the footage does exist, they probably never broadcast it out of respect for Freddie. He would look extremely ill in it and it would have been taken when he was relaxing. So I can understand if they didn't release it. |
e-man 08.09.2013 05:39 |
interesting the fact that they mention the duckhouse specifically makes me think there might be something there |
matt z 11.09.2013 06:01 |
I was just going to assume the last interview footage would have been at the same time as portions of the headlong and/or HOLLYWOOD RECORDS pitch/statement video. Somewhere there's probably a very small q and a promo that was filmed in the studio. Id guess it was done with the "Hello I'm Kim Bassinger " video. Something for a possible EPK .... shot in the last year. I know some video exists for the fans right? The video statement is probably their own exaggeration to promote sales of the documentary by the curious, asthefans would already want it Really curious like everyone else about the post from antiden. Would make sense however. Freddie seemed keen on enjoying it despite the doom. IGSM 's humor is too playful to be morbid. Sky scene from a chair could be easily done. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.09.2013 18:53 |
And Mack also, in the last time he was with Freddie (88), Freddie told him he was near to the end...and Mack thought was for smoke (cancer). And it's true, I don't believe a word of Brian, and, specially of Jim Beach. |
bowky 20.09.2013 20:58 |
I don't gove a toss any way. IF later footage exisit's what benefit is through seeing it exists? |
BradMay 09.12.2013 10:36 |
We're far into the 25th of november (its actually even the 9th of December now) so... I wanted to know.... what sorta footage was it? Or was it just the extra stuff from TATDOOL? |
Sheldon 10.12.2013 13:41 |
musicland munich wrote: I call myself Ex or former Queen Fan for a reason. At some point after his death I quit in beliving those guys telling the truth in every word they saying Brian said he knows about his disease in early 1991.( No one in good mental condition can agree with that ) Montserrat Caballe was informed by Freddie in 87/88 that he had full blown AIDS.(source M. Caballe) David Richards knows Freddie was seriously ill in 1990 ( but he belived it was cancer/ source Rolling Stone Interview 1995)...so Brian May didn't noticed anything ? John Deacon ask Jim Hutton 1987 by a pool in Ibiza about the KS stains on Freddies legs Jim answerd it's a sun allergic reaction/ or sun stains ( who think John Deacon is a complete fool ?) after touring with Freddie for about 15 years he knew that something is wrong. ( source Jim Hutton Book "Mercury and Me") Brian May said the last vocals Freddie did was "mother love" (on the champions of the world VHS David Richards held slips of paper in his hands -mother love- is datet 22/5/91). But he was to weak to finish it. - and never returned to the studio again !!! He must be so ill - just one week later he filmed TADOOL in London 30/5/91.??? No more work after those two dates for Freddie ??? Queen/Queen Production they just keep on releasing false versions of the truth. What about the Queen/Freddie Mercury movie ??? I heard of some problems because Brian and Roger want a "Disney family friendly" Production wth no cocaine, no gay sex and no dying - they just can't stop manipulating.There certainly is a lot that seems strange about what happened in 1991 and what Brian & Roger wants us to think happened. One thing that I have always found odd is the well-known statement that Freddie asked the other members to write him anything to sing. End result was three songs (ML, AWT, YDFM), of which he wrote at least one himelf. Did Freddie even say this or are Brian & Roger only creating a myth about a brave dying rock star, who recorded until the bitter end? Or did he record a bunch of songs, but sounded so awful that they simply couldn't be released? Obviously he was in awful shape in 1991, but still, only three songs (or less, since ML misses the last verse), non of which had numerous takes, if I'm correct. Did they want the public to believe that more of the songs on MIH were actually recorded after the Innuendo sessions. In a pre-Internet world some people, especially non-fans, could have easily believed this, especially since there were many unheard songs on the album. Is it possible that Freddie didn't want to record anything after Innuendo, but Brian persuaded him to put his vocals on at least a few songs? Did Freddie record many songs, but destroyed the tapes himself, because he hated how he sounded? If he was so eager to record "anything", why didn't he record some cover versions or new versions of old Queen songs? So many questions. The only thing I think is sure, is that the QP version of the story is false or not entirely true. Just like the "last" interview on Champions of the World. To also comment on the actual topic, I think that the mentioned Duck House footage might very well exist. Freddie looked sick on the IGSM video and of course even worse on TATDOL, but still he wanted to perform. So why not, he might have very well wanted to give a true last interview or performance at a later point. I don't think that all these QP lies about 1991 were spread because they wanted to sell more records. I think that it was simply an (successful) attempt to great a heroic story, a "perfect" ending to a 20-year long glorious career - the tragic death of the larger than life main character. Even today they keep to that story and who knows, maybe the Duck House interview/footage shows an entirely different reality and that is why the footage was never released. |
matt z 10.12.2013 15:31 |
Finally an interesting question has been handled by "phoebe" Peter freestone. When asked if there was a video made for DTSH this is what he replied. (Wish the bugger would answer one of MY questions finally) "Paul asked about a video that was filmed for ‘Don’t Try So Hard’. To my knowledge this was never filmed. Freddie had said the ‘Days of Our Lives’ was the last one he would ever make, because of what it took out of him, so I cannot see him going back on his decision after June 1991. I don’t think there is any other footage filmed for other songs that have never seen the light of day. Of course there is a lot of edited footage from existing videos, but nothing that was created and not released." Source: Freddie mercury official website Peter Freestone's blog |
musicland munich 10.12.2013 18:47 |
Ok, after I saw the documentary "40 jahre Queen" with some unreleased and very sad moving pictures of Freddie - I can get around that there was no last music video. A final interview is still possible, but if all persons wich were involved had a meeting and decide that the footage is "unreleaseble" .....well then we will never know... BUT the reason WHY Rudi make such a statement is totally strange...The last filmed interview with DORO( as far as we know until now) was in 1987 ( jukebox interview, I write this out of my memory-hope the date fits) and to the point that Queen/QP like to make statements that improves/pushing the selling of their records...just for example...on the hights of the "somebody to love/Five live" EP with G. Michaels - Brian May comes up with a statement that they think about doing a tour with George !!! AFTER the sellings were done, Roger made a statement that this isn't planed cause this would be just a washed up version of Queen !!! ...and YES I have the snippets of that time !!! |
Pim Derks 11.12.2013 00:02 |
Everyone changes their minds and opinions. Everyone tries to protect their loved ones. What do you expect Brian and Roger to say? "He was just so lazy. Near the end all he did was wet himself, he could barely walk or see and was just a tiny ill human being laying in bed all day"? |
musicland munich 11.12.2013 00:53 |
Pim Derks wrote: Everyone changes their minds and opinions. Everyone tries to protect their loved ones. What do you expect Brian and Roger to say? "He was just so lazy. Near the end all he did was wet himself, he could barely walk or see and was just a tiny ill human being laying in bed all day"? musicland munich wrote: No ! Just a simple statement that in his last couple of month he was too sick to work on Queen projects. What an easy thing to do! Isn't it ? A statement without too much details- but basicly a true one- |
Sebastian 11.12.2013 06:47 |
Pim Derks wrote: Everyone tries to protect their loved ones. What do you expect Brian and Roger to say? "He was just so lazy. Near the end all he did was wet himself, he could barely walk or see and was just a tiny ill human being laying in bed all day"?They also try to protect themselves. 'Even being three-quarters dead he managed to write more material than we did' doesn't quite roll off the tongue. |
malicedoom 11.12.2013 12:06 |
Pim Derks wrote: What do you expect Brian and Roger to say? "He was just so lazy. Near the end all he did was wet himself, he could barely walk or see and was just a tiny ill human being laying in bed all day"?Hell, that could probably describe several perfectly healthy people some of us all know today... |
Back2TheLight 14.12.2013 13:30 |
I don't think he would have wanted to be filmed for any reason. Record more music or produce? If he had the strength, sure. But to film a video? I don't see that happening. Just my ten cents |
Rokku 15.12.2013 13:45 |
Probably this video was destroyed because they understood that is inexpedient to do of it something, or because Freddie was really bad on this footage. |
ZBGM0 20.12.2013 08:28 |
Peter Freestone said that the last time he was in his apartment in Montreux was 10 of November 1991. Just 2 weeks before he died. Many things could happen, including filming, pictures….but it really is not so important, he probably looked much more terrible then we imagine. He looked bad enough in the video TATDOOL (which was when, may 1991?). I can’t imagine how he looked on 10th of November. |
Heavenite 25.12.2013 18:14 |
Yes! I agree with that. Although there the possiblity of makeup once again, to the point it could make a difference. And I presume that would have been less and less as things went on and his health got worse. |
BradMay 13.02.2014 15:27 |
Now i'm wondering... They talked about new footage from '91, i haven't seen it, apart from the Days Of Our LIves thing obviously... |
CrystalHead 28.12.2014 11:21 |
Hi I can reveal Freddie WAS Filmed in October 1991 by DoRo for a video for Don't Try So Hard. It was filmed at The Duck House in Montreaux. Freddie had grown a heavy full beard and wore a Japanese Komono whilst miming the song on a Rocking Chair. The only other member of Queen present was John Deacon. It would appear at the time that Brian May and Roger Taylor were oblivious to the recording - so when DoRo delivered the rushes to the Queen Offices in late 1991 they were appalled not only that they were oblivious but that Freddie looked even worse than he did I the TATDOOL Video. They determined that it would never be seen and that the official story would be that TATDOOL would be considered the last video he made and thus the myth was spun. I can reveal that Brian and Roger were furious that John appeared In the video and this caused huge tension between the three - some of which still exists today. From what I can gather John didn't want to be in the video but didn't want to hurt Freddies feelings by refusing. Now how do I know this? I worked closely with Rhys Thomas on the production of The Great Pretender documentary from 2011-2012. Rhys requested anything from DoRo from their vaults and duly the Don't Try So Hard video was supplied. At first when we watched it we had no idea it was Freddie - he looked incredibly ill. When we realized it was Freddie we both broke down. Of course Jim Beach at Queen Productions and Brian and Roger were contacted about the legitimacy of the video. They confirmed it was indeed Freddie, but they also said if any of the footage was shown in either motion or still form, Queen would withdraw any involvement with the documentary and their music would follow in a similar fashion. I must add the video was never considered to be used in the Documentary - but all the same we had to find out if it was legitimate. Hope this is of interest to you guys. |
Mercuryman12 28.12.2014 11:56 |
CrystalHead wrote: Hi I can reveal Freddie WAS Filmed in October 1991 by DoRo for a video for Don't Try So Hard. It was filmed at The Duck House in Montreaux. Freddie had grown a heavy full beard and wore a Japanese Komono whilst miming the song on a Rocking Chair. The only other member of Queen present was John Deacon. It would appear at the time that Brian May and Roger Taylor were oblivious to the recording - so when DoRo delivered the rushes to the Queen Offices in late 1991 they were appalled not only that they were oblivious but that Freddie looked even worse than he did I the TATDOOL Video. They determined that it would never be seen and that the official story would be that TATDOOL would be considered the last video he made and thus the myth was spun. I can reveal that Brian and Roger were furious that John appeared In the video and this caused huge tension between the three - some of which still exists today. From what I can gather John didn't want to be in the video but didn't want to hurt Freddies feelings by refusing. Now how do I know this? I worked closely with Rhys Thomas on the production of The Great Pretender documentary from 2011-2012. Rhys requested anything from DoRo from their vaults and duly the Don't Try So Hard video was supplied. At first when we watched it we had no idea it was Freddie - he looked incredibly ill. When we realized it was Freddie we both broke down. Of course Jim Beach at Queen Productions and Brian and Roger were contacted about the legitimacy of the video. They confirmed it was indeed Freddie, but they also said if any of the footage was shown in either motion or still form, Queen would withdraw any involvement with the documentary and their music would follow in a similar fashion. I must add the video was never considered to be used in the Documentary - but all the same we had to find out if it was legitimate. Hope this is of interest to you guys. |
Vocal harmony 28.12.2014 12:15 |
^^^^ this is a first post by a new member, and contains some very interesting and informative information, why is there always someone wanting proof of who people are and what the information is. Make of it what you will, if you choose not to believe it that's up to you. |
Chief Mouse 28.12.2014 12:24 |
Why would he/she lie? Thanks for the interesting post, CrystalHead. |
miraclesteinway 28.12.2014 12:56 |
Well, it's true Freddie had a beard at the end, and it was heavier in the paparazzi shots of him outside Garden Lodge in later 1991. It's very sad anyway. I wonder if Freddie wanted it to be released or not. Who knows. We'll never see it now anyway. It doesn't matter I guess, 24 years on. Perhaps Freddie watched it and decided not to release it? |
miraclesteinway 28.12.2014 12:58 |
Thanks Crystal. |
musicland munich 28.12.2014 14:17 |
CrystalHead wrote: Hi I can reveal Freddie WAS Filmed in October 1991 by DoRo for a video for Don't Try So Hard. It was filmed at The Duck House in Montreaux. Freddie had grown a heavy full beard and wore a Japanese Komono whilst miming the song on a Rocking Chair. The only other member of Queen present was John Deacon. It would appear at the time that Brian May and Roger Taylor were oblivious to the recording - so when DoRo delivered the rushes to the Queen Offices in late 1991 they were appalled not only that they were oblivious but that Freddie looked even worse than he did I the TATDOOL Video. They determined that it would never be seen and that the official story would be that TATDOOL would be considered the last video he made and thus the myth was spun. I can reveal that Brian and Roger were furious that John appeared In the video and this caused huge tension between the three - some of which still exists today. From what I can gather John didn't want to be in the video but didn't want to hurt Freddies feelings by refusing. Now how do I know this? I worked closely with Rhys Thomas on the production of The Great Pretender documentary from 2011-2012. Rhys requested anything from DoRo from their vaults and duly the Don't Try So Hard video was supplied. At first when we watched it we had no idea it was Freddie - he looked incredibly ill. When we realized it was Freddie we both broke down. Of course Jim Beach at Queen Productions and Brian and Roger were contacted about the legitimacy of the video. They confirmed it was indeed Freddie, but they also said if any of the footage was shown in either motion or still form, Queen would withdraw any involvement with the documentary and their music would follow in a similar fashion. I must add the video was never considered to be used in the Documentary - but all the same we had to find out if it was legitimate. Hope this is of interest to you guys.^Yes it is. Thank you ! I thinkl I will have a question when my lower jaw is back in the right place. |
Day dop 28.12.2014 14:27 |
Mercuryman12 wrote: CrystalHead wrote: Hi I can reveal Freddie WAS Filmed in October 1991 by DoRo for a video for Don't Try So Hard. It was filmed at The Duck House in Montreaux. Freddie had grown a heavy full beard and wore a Japanese Komono whilst miming the song on a Rocking Chair. The only other member of Queen present was John Deacon. It would appear at the time that Brian May and Roger Taylor were oblivious to the recording - so when DoRo delivered the rushes to the Queen Offices in late 1991 they were appalled not only that they were oblivious but that Freddie looked even worse than he did I the TATDOOL Video. They determined that it would never be seen and that the official story would be that TATDOOL would be considered the last video he made and thus the myth was spun. I can reveal that Brian and Roger were furious that John appeared In the video and this caused huge tension between the three - some of which still exists today. From what I can gather John didn't want to be in the video but didn't want to hurt Freddies feelings by refusing. Now how do I know this? I worked closely with Rhys Thomas on the production of The Great Pretender documentary from 2011-2012. Rhys requested anything from DoRo from their vaults and duly the Don't Try So Hard video was supplied. At first when we watched it we had no idea it was Freddie - he looked incredibly ill. When we realized it was Freddie we both broke down. Of course Jim Beach at Queen Productions and Brian and Roger were contacted about the legitimacy of the video. They confirmed it was indeed Freddie, but they also said if any of the footage was shown in either motion or still form, Queen would withdraw any involvement with the documentary and their music would follow in a similar fashion. I must add the video was never considered to be used in the Documentary - but all the same we had to find out if it was legitimate. Hope this is of interest to you guys.I asked Rhys Thomas about your story above.... Apparently, it's "Absolute bollocks". He went into further detail, but that'll do. |
Day dop 28.12.2014 14:33 |
Vocal harmony wrote: ^^^^ why is there always someone wanting proof of who people are and what the information is.Because, otherwise you can easily fall for all sorts of nonsense. |
musicland munich 28.12.2014 14:42 |
Day dop wrote: .I asked Rhys Thomas about your story above.... Apparently, it's "Absolute bollocks". He went into further detail, but that'll do. No offense, but those further details will prove your point. |
Day dop 28.12.2014 14:45 |
musicland munich wrote: No offense, but those further details will prove your point.The burden of proof doesn't lay upon me. It's on the one making the claim - CrystalHead.Day dop wrote: I asked Rhys Thomas about your story above.... Apparently, it's "Absolute bollocks". He went into further detail, but that'll do. I won't repeat the inbox convo without permission, after all it was a private convo, though, I highly doubt he'd mind me repeating the two words I have so far. Anyone can always ask him themselves... |
musicland munich 28.12.2014 14:57 |
Ok, so we will see if that User will back up his story somehow. Would be lovely if he/she replys once more. |
cmsdrums 28.12.2014 15:19 |
Going back in the timeline a tad, I always assumed at the time that the promo video for 'Innuendo' was a composite affair of old footage and new artwork, as a way to hide Freddie's appearance. However as we know he was happy/willing to be in front of the camera for promos for Headlong, I'm Going Slightly Mad and These Are The Days of Our Lives. So, do we think, or know, that Innuendo was therefore made that way PURELY as an artistic decision, or was it to hide Freddie, but then he had a change of mind later on and decided to be open about his ailing appearance, hence the later videos? On the subject of Freddie footage in a Don't Try So Hard promo.....does anyone REALLY think DoRo would have been signed off and employed to film footage for a promo video without Brian and Roger (and Jim) not having to sign off on it, or know anything about it?!!? Equally it could be argued that Rhys Thomas would deny this anyway if at the time he was threatened with being 'cut off' from Queen officialdom....but that's on the assumption that original story wasn't "absolute bollocks" as reported. There will no doubt be some truthful info he isn't going to be 'allowed' to report, but my guess is that isn't amongst it! |
CrystalHead 28.12.2014 15:54 |
I don't believe that Rhys would declare it "absolute bollocks" - and as I worked on the project with him he must have a good idea of who iam. However if he is being polite regarding the requests of Queen/Jim Beach to deny that the video exists then I apologise for going against those wishes - wishes I wasn't aware of. However reading that DoRo had already confirmed the existence of the video I thought it was ok to further confirm it. The video was one of the saddest things ive seen in 20 years in this business. HOWEVER - it seems Freddie DID intend for it to be released. And ill say no more. |
Mercuryman12 28.12.2014 16:06 |
CrystalHead wrote: I don't believe that Rhys would declare it "absolute bollocks" - and as I worked on the project with him he must have a good idea of who iam. However if he is being polite regarding the requests of Queen/Jim Beach to deny that the video exists then I apologise for going against those wishes - wishes I wasn't aware of. However reading that DoRo had already confirmed the existence of the video I thought it was ok to further confirm it. The video was one of the saddest things ive seen in 20 years in this business. HOWEVER - it seems Freddie DID intend for it to be released. And ill say no more.Can you at least give us your name because you may be mentioned in the film credits? |
Day dop 28.12.2014 16:12 |
CrystalHead wrote: I don't believe that Rhys would declare it "absolute bollocks" - and as I worked on the project with him he must have a good idea of who iam. However if he is being polite regarding the requests of Queen/Jim Beach to deny that the video exists then I apologise for going against those wishes - wishes I wasn't aware of. However reading that DoRo had already confirmed the existence of the video I thought it was ok to further confirm it. The video was one of the saddest things ive seen in 20 years in this business. HOWEVER - it seems Freddie DID intend for it to be released. And ill say no more.Whether I'm believed regarding what Rhys said or not makes little odds, because, like I already mentioned, anyone can ask Rhys themselves. Now, are you able to back up what you say? Aside from anything else, your story doesn't sound too consistent to me. At first you wrote... "They determined that it would never be seen and that the official story would be that TATDOOL would be considered the last video he made and thus the myth was spun." Then, in your next comment, you wrote... "However if he is being polite regarding the requests of Queen/Jim Beach to deny that the video exists then I apologise for going against those wishes - wishes I wasn't aware of." So, was you aware or not? Which is it? |
CrystalHead 28.12.2014 16:24 |
Ok im not gonna give my name - because (and I hope you understand) - I have no way of knowing that you are actually in contact with Rhys, and I am a Mother and I wouldn't be comfortable with ppl knowing my details etc. But I will say that im good friends of both Kate Purdy and Joe Rappaport - Rhys will know who these are. Honestly I wasn't looking to deceive anyone. The Don't Try So Hard video does exist. I have nothing to gain by simply confirming that I just thought it may have been of interest to you all on here. |
Day dop 28.12.2014 16:31 |
What would you have to gain from telling such a story? Because, this is the internet... and people like to spread codswallop, for amusement purposes. |
cmsdrums 28.12.2014 16:38 |
I'm not going to dismiss this story out of hand - as you say, DoRo have already provided some info on this which is where the story originally 'grew legs'. Some aspects - as I have detailed above - do seem odd, but stranger things have happened, and various 'absolute facts' given by people such as Greg Brooks or other official sources have in the past also been turned on their head by later info. Having worked on TATDOOL documentary, are you able to provide any other insights or info on some things such as unknown live footage/audio, unreleased tracks etc...that may well lend some credence to your position? Thanks! :-) |
winterspelt 28.12.2014 16:42 |
The thing is, this kind of information is important in many levels and would re-write Freddie's and Queen's last days. As you may imagine, its logical to conclude that information like this will need to be verified, specially because many other people close to Freddie are sure such film was never made.
Now, one thing I consider weird is this
CrystalHead wrote: Jim Beach at Queen Productions and Brian and Roger were contacted about the legitimacy of the video. They confirmed it was indeed Freddie, but they also said if any of the footage was shown in either motion or still form, Queen would withdraw any involvement with the documentaryIf they are aware of this video and doesnt want it to be shown in any way, why they didnt destroyed it? |
CrystalHead 28.12.2014 16:44 |
Oh I apologise - let me explain. I knew that Queen didn't want anyone to know about the existence of the video, but if they have asked Rhys to play along - well that is what I meant by not being aware of those wishes. That may be the case and I suspect it is. But Rhys HAS seen the Video. |
BETA215 28.12.2014 16:44 |
Really? They made 6 promotional videos for a 12-track album? Is that necessary? I mean, for The Miracle, AKOM, The Works and NOTWorld they recorded 3 videos for each album. For Hot Space, The Game, and Queen they recorded 2 videos. Etc., etc., etc. Basicly, they never needed more than 3/4 videos, if I'm not wrong. Why make 6 videos, being the seller that the album was? I find it very suspicious. 6 videos: Innuendo, I'm Going Slightly Mad, Headlong, Don't Try So Hard, These Are The Days Of Our Lives and The Show Must Go On. |
CrystalHead 28.12.2014 16:48 |
Also it may very well be that the video has since been destroyed since 2011-2012. Queen thought it had been back in 1991 and I can confirm it turning up in Rhys's possession caused ill feeling toward DoRo from the band. |
Mercuryman12 28.12.2014 16:48 |
CrystalHead wrote: Oh I apologise - let me explain. I knew that Queen didn't want anyone to know about the existence of the video, but if they have asked Rhys to play along - well that is what I meant by not being aware of those wishes. That may be the case and I suspect it is. But Rhys HAS seen the Video.But can you PROVE you were involved in production of the great pretender? |
Day dop 28.12.2014 16:50 |
CrystalHead wrote: Oh I apologise - let me explain. I knew that Queen didn't want anyone to know about the existence of the video, but if they have asked Rhys to play along - well that is what I meant by not being aware of those wishes. That may be the case and I suspect it is. But Rhys HAS seen the Video.So what was your job? What did it involve? And to your knowledge, who did Rhys work on The Great Pretender with aside from the editor? I'm calling bullshit. |
The Real Wizard 28.12.2014 16:50 |
If everything posted on this forum were true... -Dragon Attack is about gay sex -The Game was initially a double LP -the last 30 seconds of Black Queen are actually a complete song in the vaults -the Sun City tape came from a disgruntled person who worked the gig -Gerry has a functioning brain There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, especially when someone is trying to tell revisionist history. Fully agreed with the person who said the bearer of the news has the burden of proof. They had an opportunity to identify themselves and made up an excuse not to. If they worked on the documentary, their name is in the credits. They had nothing to hide then, so they should have nothing to hide now. End of. Therefore I call extreme bullshit on this until proven otherwise. |
Bad Seed 28.12.2014 16:57 |
BETA215 wrote: Really? They made 6 promotional videos for a 12-track album? Is that necessary? I mean, for The Miracle, AKOM, The Works and NOTWorld they recorded 3 videos for each album. For Hot Space, The Game, and Queen they recorded 2 videos. Etc., etc., etc. Basicly, they never needed more than 3/4 videos, if I'm not wrong. Why make 6 videos, being the seller that the album was? I find it very suspicious. 6 videos: Innuendo, I'm Going Slightly Mad, Headlong, Don't Try So Hard, These Are The Days Of Our Lives and The Show Must Go On. Both AKOM & The Miracle had 5 promo vids each. |
BETA215 28.12.2014 16:57 |
The Real Wizard wrote: If everything posted on this forum were true... -Dragon Attack is about gay sex -The Game was initially a double LP -the last 30 seconds of Black Queen are actually a complete song in the vaults -the Sun City tape came from a disgruntled person who worked the gig -Gerry has a functioning brainAlso Freddie would be alive hidden from the press, living in a millionaire mansion with his cats and Aretha Franklin. Both singing Somebody To Love every day until he can't barely stand on his feets. |
BETA215 28.12.2014 17:00 |
Bad Seed wrote: Both AKOM & The Miracle had 5 promo vids each.Forget what I said. |
CrystalHead 28.12.2014 17:01 |
Ive worked for Eagle Rock on a number of projects for a number of years. |
Day dop 28.12.2014 17:02 |
CrystalHead wrote: Ive worked for Eagle Rock on a number of projects for a number of years.That didn't answer what I asked. So what was your job? What did it involve? And to your knowledge, who did Rhys work on The Great Pretender with aside from the editor? |
Day dop 28.12.2014 17:04 |
Why am I even playing along with this nonsense? |
BETA215 28.12.2014 17:05 |
Jefffabiano II? Are you OK? |
Mercuryman12 28.12.2014 17:08 |
CrystalHead wrote: Ive worked for Eagle Rock on a number of projects for a number of years.Do you have proof? |
CrystalHead 28.12.2014 17:09 |
Rhys worked with a Producer named Alan Ravenscroft. I was part of the sound mixing unit that Ariel Sultan lead. I understand why you all would be skeptical but as I say - I have nothing to gain whatsoever by making this up. |
Mercuryman12 28.12.2014 17:13 |
CrystalHead wrote: Rhys worked with a Producer named Alan Ravenscroft. I was part of the sound mixing unit that Ariel Sultan lead. I understand why you all would be skeptical but as I say - I have nothing to gain whatsoever by making this up.Are you credited in any releases? |
Day dop 28.12.2014 17:14 |
CrystalHead wrote: Rhys worked with a Producer named Alan Ravenscroft. I was part of the sound mixing unit that Ariel Sultan lead. I understand why you all would be skeptical but as I say - I have nothing to gain whatsoever by making this up.Alan Ravenscroft was the supervising Producer for EMP (anyone can look this stuff up, including you - but then you know that already, don't you?). No one has anything to gain by making shit up on the internet, but still, people do. Often. |
Day dop 28.12.2014 17:15 |
Anyway, I'm out of this freak show for today. |
cmsdrums 28.12.2014 17:19 |
cmsdrums wrote: I'm not going to dismiss this story out of hand - as you say, DoRo have already provided some info on this which is where the story originally 'grew legs'. Some aspects - as I have detailed above - do seem odd, but stranger things have happened, and various 'absolute facts' given by people such as Greg Brooks or other official sources have in the past also been turned on their head by later info. Having worked on TATDOOL documentary, are you able to provide any other insights or info on some things such as unknown live footage/audio, unreleased tracks etc...that may well lend some credence to your position? Thanks! :-)If you are unwilling/unable to 'out' yourself by name (which is understandable if you are still in that job), perhaps some info on other things in the vaults as per my earlier post would help? |
musicland munich 28.12.2014 17:21 |
@ chrystalhead...any chance to verify yourself...maybe via a different channel ? Or something unique ? |
cmsdrums 28.12.2014 17:24 |
Also, does anyone have an opportunity to direct either of the DoRo guys to this post or the claims in it? They seem to have made some general statements about this matter but these may have been 'lost in translation'; it also seems that they don't particularly get on with QPL now, so may have no qualms in giving specific info in response to specific questions, if asked. Worth an ask! |
LucasDiego 28.12.2014 17:59 |
Well, if this is really true, is a fucking bomb!! And I believe that the information it's true. |
LucasDiego 28.12.2014 18:12 |
The only people to end with this discussion is the queen productions, it's only they says that it's a lie, and prove it, and ok, end of story. |
Fireplace 28.12.2014 18:19 |
The Real Wizard wrote: If everything posted on this forum were true... -Dragon Attack is about gay sex Of course it is. -The Game was initially a double LP It still is, it's just that the second sleeve is empty. -the last 30 seconds of Black Queen are actually a complete song in the vaults True. It's a very short song though. -the Sun City tape came from a disgruntled person who worked the gig South Africans often tended to be a bit disgruntled in those days, so who knows? -Gerry has a functioning brain Now there you really jumped the shark. I call bullshit! . |
Vocal harmony 28.12.2014 20:08 |
A couple of things which may have been over looked. In a fan club mag from 1990 deacy wrote that they were still working on the album (Innuendo) but that you should keep an eye out for a new single Dont Try So Hard in the next few weeks. From his comments it sounds like they had made up their minds and had pressed the button on that one. Obviously things changed and it was never released. Could a video have gone into production with bits filmed at different times. If no one was available except Freddie and JD, given Freddies health maybe possibly they started work without the other band members. Delivering rushes and not the completed video would seem to point to that being possible. It wouldn't be the only video made that way. BM wasn't present for the filming of These Are The Days Of Our Lives |
Day dop 28.12.2014 20:16 |
LucasDiego wrote: The only people to end with this discussion is the queen productions, it's only they says that it's a lie, and prove it, and ok, end of story.Without proof, there's no reason to take it seriously, and the burden of proof doesn't lay upon Queen productions. See > link |
winterspelt 28.12.2014 20:32 |
Day dop wrote:Agreed.LucasDiego wrote: The only people to end with this discussion is the queen productions, it's only they says that it's a lie, and prove it, and ok, end of story.Without proof, there's no reason to take it seriously. The burden of proof doesn't lay upon Queen productions. Its useless to expect credibility without giving proof that she saw the footage. If she wish to remain anonymous, then why would write a post? If there's a NDA then its already broken as not only provide info about the footage but also provided information about "who she really is". Of course this is nothing persona, but as Wizard wrote, there are countless anonymous persons that have been giving fake information about Queen in this forum for a lot of years. Its really easy to spread lies on the internet, specially in a forum doesnt have mods/admins to stop the trolls. Sooner or later trolls will be disguised as band staff/members/friends etc and will spread lies. |
luthorn 28.12.2014 20:33 |
Interesting theory worth entertaining, but without hard evidence it is only just that, a theory. |
TheAdmiester 28.12.2014 22:09 |
The main thing that makes me doubt the theory is the fact that all their music videos were filmed in a studio of some sort with a lot of control over the lighting/spacing. Why film a music video inside what's essentially a shed when you could fake it in a studio and have it look much better? |
Ale Solan 29.12.2014 00:50 |
TheAdmiester wrote: The main thing that makes me doubt the theory is the fact that all their music videos were filmed in a studio of some sort with a lot of control over the lighting/spacing. Why film a music video inside what's essentially a shed when you could fake it in a studio and have it look much better?Breakthru? Spread Your Wings? WWRY? |
Sebastian 29.12.2014 02:19 |
Vocal harmony wrote: In a fan club mag from 1990 deacy wrote that they were still working on the album (Innuendo) but that you should keep an eye out for a new single Dont Try So Hard in the next few weeks.Err... no! John did mention they were working on the recording of 'Don't Try So Hard' but he did not say it was going to be a single and he did not ask people to keep an eye out for it. Thank you for the claim, though, as now I'll know not to trust anything you write on this forum. |
Viper 29.12.2014 03:45 |
Interesting informations... Maybe some day we'll know for sure. |
coley7t 29.12.2014 04:13 |
link All this sounds fantasy to me and loosely based on the really bad picture on the above site. Then again i may be wrong..but if any video for dtsh does exist, i think the chances if seeing it are zero. |
miraclesteinway 29.12.2014 04:14 |
It's something we'll either have to trust CrystalHead on or not trust her on. The reasons it could be true: There is the long standing opinion that Freddie was working in Montreux, or at least IN Montreux in October 1991, but nobody seems to know what he was doing there It is quite possible that he thought he'd try one more shot at a video to see how it turned out. It is absolutely possible that he arranged this without Brian and Roger's permission. Why would he actually need it? He could pay for it himself if he wanted. There are the photos of him outside his house in October 1991, coming out of the car. He looks thin but actually he looks, in the picture, functional. You know the paparazzi short sleeve shirt and sun glasses photo. So, it's quite possible that he decided, let's have one last shot and if it doesn't work, it doesn't go out. Reasons why it might not be true These are the days was a difficult shoot for him. He already looks terrible in that video. Absolutely terrible, but dignified. From the sound of the description of the video, it sounds a little less dignified and Freddie wouldn't have released anything that might hurt his family. Which is why I hated the programmes Freddie's Lovers and Freddie's Millions. Really, were they necessary? We all knew he was gay, but the detail..... less than cool, really. Not fair. The official line is that Freddie didn't want to appear on camera after These are the days, and that he knew that wouldn't be released until after he died (although clips of it appear on Greatest Flix 2), and it's unlikely he'd want to make more than one video for release after he died. It's not quite the same as making a record for release after, under the circumstances. Jim, Brian, Roger, Rhys, and Peter Freestone have all denied it. Perhaps this is because it isn't true, or perhaps this is because they want to protect Freddie's legacy by not showing what is probably a terrible video. The other possibility is that, if it exists, it's simply not a good performance, shows Freddie in a terrible light, and so artistically, they decided not to show it. It sounds like, if it's real, it was probably done in one take without enough decent footage to make a good video. Either way it probably doesn't matter, because we will never get to see it. CrystalHead, if what you say is true, thanks for sharing it. This forum has been the seat of a lot of crap before so don't be too offended if people don't believe you. I think I'd prefer not to see the video, if it's out there, to be honest. |
Chrisallstar 29.12.2014 05:02 |
I think this isn't true. 1) Freddie looked terrible in the Days Of Our Lives video and we can only imagine how difficult and draining that was to make for him. The band have released colour footage from that video which highlights just how ill he was at that point. If they released colour footage from that video (a questionable decision in my opinion) then if they had any other footage from a later promo they probably would have released it by now. 2) surely they had all moved on from Innuendo at this point and there weren't plans for a sixth single? The most they ever released was five from one album. 3) would Freddie at this point make a promo video, it would seem the most pointless thing to do considering his state of health at that time? Didn't he hate doing promo videos even when he was in good health? |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 29.12.2014 05:14 |
Shooting promo video's would have been booked way in advance. So every person involved should have known the dates of filming. |
CrystalHead 29.12.2014 05:53 |
Hello again. Ok I totally understand why you would think I'm bullshitting about this. I feel quite guilty that if me confirming the video's existence goes against and upsets the wishes of the people involved. I wasn't trying to sensationalise the fact Freddie looked ill in the video or that the video brought about a fallout between the members of the Band. I just simply wanted to confirm that the video does/did exist so that the rumors concerning it can be put to rest etc. I know that isn't fully possible without hard evidence. So all I have at this point is my word. A few of you were correct in your assumptions that DoRo recorded the video as part of a bigger feature. Freddie DID speak to DoRo in those final months about them compiling what would eventually become the Champions Of The World Documentary. Brian and Roger thought that was what was being filmed by DoRo - they never expected Freddie to be recorded at this point, nor John come to that. I'll describe the Video. It starts with a close up of Freddie sat at an angle so that his face took up a lot of the screen. As I said at first we didn't recognize it was Freddie. We thought we were watching something akin to REM/Man On The Moon where Actors mimed to the lyrics. It then cut to a long shot of Freddie in a very oriental inspired room wearing a Japanese Komono sat in the Rocking chair. He was heavily bearded and there was a possibility that he was wearing a toupe because his hair looked thicker than in the last few videos. John was behind him in a similar fashion to the Bohemian Rhapsody video. This is where we realized it was Freddie - and I can tell you it was a heartbreaking revelation. Our first instinct was to turn the video off. But we watched it through. It was sad but I have to say impressive that Freddie could carry it off like that. The video was further sprinkled with Japanese imagery and words that flashed on the screen. This we were told by DoRo was due to the fact the song was to be released as a single in Japan. I don't know if it ever was or not. Theres a remote possibility that I can get conformation of things OR at least that we did have access to the video. My name is in the credits of both The Great Pretender and Bellamy's People. Its not too hard to find. If anyone guesses correctly I will confirm it but im not gonna volunteer my identity because as I have said my life is built into this world/proffesion and as a mother I have to make a living for my children. I hope you understand that? |
miraclesteinway 29.12.2014 05:58 |
Let's say that, for instance, they had booked the promo a year before, or at least agreed to start working on it, not knowing how ill Freddie would be by the end of the year (remember, they thought he was going to die at several points in the last four years of his life and he bounced back a couple of times), it's a possibility that Freddie decided to go through with it. It's possible that Freddie called up the Torpedo Twins, the band, and said, OK, I'll try one more shot, and Brian and Roger either weren't available or didn't want to do it, but John went along. Freddie and John were closer, weren't they, than Freddie and Brian or Roger? I have only heard that in passing so I don't actually know if it's true. It's possible, that Freddie, knowing he was not going to live longer than a month, decided to try to make the video, saw that it didn't work out or died before it could be finished and abandoned it. I'm only speculating not because I want there to be a last video, but because i'm thinking, well, it IS actually possible that this happened. There is, however, a lot of speculation about what went on in Freddie's last year, and I am now of the conclusion that this speculation is for two reasons; 1. People are still hoping for that last glimpse of Freddie that we haven't seen yet - it's the period of his life that is closest to us in time and many here remember it so well, and like to think there is bound to be something left that we can still see, hang on to. It's like the denial stage of grief, except this has lasted for 23 years. 2. People are hero worshipping when perhaps the truth is a little more mundane. The truth is not mundane though. The truth, whatever detail there is, is that a man who was dying, and in a terrible condition, pulled together all of his strength to make the videos and records that we have, released, and available to us. The truth is also that he was one of the most creative musicians ever, and we are lucky that he made the music he made, and probably, now, shouldn't be hankering for more. There is an unwillingness to accept that it's over. It's natural that people go through this emotion, but really, it's time to accept that there is no more, or very little, Freddie Mercury unreleased for us to hear or see. What he left us is good enough, and the fact that we were given a new unreleased vocal from his peak period this year was a bonus - even if it wasn't the 'album' we were promised. I don't think he'd like all the speculation about his last days being dredged up over and over again. Most of the last six months he was probably on bed rest. |
CrystalHead 29.12.2014 05:59 |
And one final thing. Rhys may be prohibited from talking about the video. The person that would confirm its existence is in fact Dave Clark. Dave was/is enthusiastic the Freddie made the video. I know its a long shot but if any of you get a chance to speak to Dave - he would have no problem in confirming things. There is a very good reason for this but I cant elaborate much more about that. |
coley7t 29.12.2014 06:18 |
To be honest, with the posts of Chrystalhead, I've got to say that I'm leaning towards this being genuine. No offence was meant with my previous post, but as others have stated, there's been a few trolls here over the years. Anyway, happy new year to everyone and lets hope 2015 may clear up the existence of the video. Cheers. |
CrystalHead 29.12.2014 06:58 |
There are two very long shot suggestions toward confirming that the video does/did exist. As I said, Dave Clark was enthusiastic about the video and thought it should be released. Im pretty sure he would happily confirm the existence. I know how ridiculous it sounds, its not as if you can knock on his front door or drop him a line on the phone. But if anyone does speak to him im sure he would talk about the video. The other long shot is this : My Husband has just told me that within the Documentary/Film Making community we belong to - its an open secret that a man called Ian Levine OWNS a copy of the video. My husband doesn't know any of the details but he is quite sure of the fact. Ian Levine is an English DJ and is a collector of rare videos/footage etc. It is widely rumored that he has been hoarding Doctor Who episodes that are thought to no longer exist. I don't know about that, but I have personally heard those rumors myself. Also . . . . . . . . There is a story that Levine once owned a video even more sought after than the Don't Try So Hard video. He apparently owned the video that John Lennon filmed for (Just Like) Starting Over. Lennon was thought to have destroyed the video because he didn't like the way he looked in it. But someone from within The Hit Factory where Lennon filmed the video made a copy and somehow it ended up in Levine's possession. I know for a fact a man called Elliot Mintz - who works for Yoko Ono was dispatched to meet Levine and retrieve the video, which he managed to do successfully. I know this doesn't prove the existence of the Don't Try So Hard video but I use it as a pointer as to what goes on in this industry. |
miraclesteinway 29.12.2014 07:01 |
It's true that since Rhys Thomas works for Queen on these projects, that he'll be told to tow the official line. It's understandable. It's possible that Brian and Roger forgot it was there, although it's unlikely that they forgot and just hoped it wasn't still in existence. It could be the case that the video exists but Peter Freestone, Brian and Roger haven't seen it. We could also understand if they didn't actually want it to be seen again by the public so that they didn't have to see it again. For them it could be very painful, and for his family it could open up the old wounds. You have to remember, most of us get to mourn our dead loved ones in private and don't have to be constantly reminded of how they die. We usually talk about our loved ones not in terms of how they died, but we almost forget or blot that out and focus on our interactions with them when they were healthy. Freddie's family must have found it difficult to avoid reliving his death over and over through the press, through every documentary, through every interview, and that must be very hard for any relative. As to Freddie's hair looking thicker, he probably just didn't have it cut. There have been rumours about the existence of this video for a long time, or of similar videos. I heard about the duck house video about 8 or 9 years ago, I can't remember where, but to be honest I thought it wasn't true or it was a misinterpretation of the shots of the duck house that were taken for Champions of the World. I bought Champions when it first came out, and the 'last' interview on the end credits, well, I knew instantly that it was a composition much in the way that Queen Talks was 4 years earlier. I don't think there was any deceit on the part of DoRo to make people think that was Freddie's last interview, but people in general are ready to misinterpret things. For instance, I remember the reviews for the Made In Heaven LP, talking as if I Was Born To Love You, Heaven For Everyone, My Life Has Been Saved, Made In Heaven, Too Much Love, were recorded especially for that album and not re-worked versions of (or unused in the case of Too Much Love) older songs. Many of the reviews completely overlooked or didn't know this fact, and one article in a newspaper that came out around the time of the release claimed that Queen fans had been deceived by the band into thinking that these were Freddie's last vocals when they weren't. Well, fact is Queen fans knew, because Queen fans knew the music! Nobody was deceived. I know Dave Clark was keen for Freddie to do whatever work he wanted to at the end, and appears in the These are the days out-takes. I think he was one person Freddie really trusted. Anyway Crystal, thanks for the information. |
LucasDiego 29.12.2014 07:15 |
Credits of The Great Pretender Directed by Rhys Thomas Produced by Jim Beach, Rhys Thomas and Joss Crowley Supervising Producer for EMP: Alan Ravenscroft Supervising Producer for Eagle Rock Entertainment: Andrew Winter Executive Producers for Eagle Rock Entertainment: Terry Shand and Geoff Kempin Cover Photograph: Peter Hince Directory Of Photography: Ric Clark Film Editor: Christopher Bird Queen Archivist: Greg Brooks Archive Researchers: Keith Badman, David Ross, Universal Media, Inc Freddie Mercury's final interview and other selected documentary footage directed by Rudi Dolezal Who is CrystalHead? |
LucasDiego 29.12.2014 07:30 |
And seeing the informations, well, it's a great surprise, i believe that queen productions needed to explain everything about this story, for they are responsable with things of band, and also Freddie too. |
Day dop 29.12.2014 08:06 |
LucasDiego wrote: And seeing the informations, well, it's a great surprise, i believe that queen productions needed to explain everything about this story, for they are responsable with things of band, and also Freddie too.Queen productions don't need to explain anything. link Does NASA need to explain or prove that the moon isn't a space station with a hollow interior, just because David Icke says it is? Of course not. It's for Icke to prove his claim is true, as he made the claim. It's not for NASA to explain or prove anything. The same applies here. |
rhapsody8 29.12.2014 10:19 |
Personally I don't believe the official story about TATDOOL. So your story looks very logical for me. Do you have any part or any still of the video which you take only for yourself? Just wondering.... |
winterspelt 29.12.2014 10:24 |
My impressions so far: It is possible that Freddie had a creativity rush and wanted to try a few ideas. I was a medical student a lot of years ago, and I saw in the hospital many people with terminal diseases who were truly sure they could do things that could not even do in their best shape, specially those who are in the last 30-90 days seem to deny his own limitations. That's the way human mind works, so, under that light it MAY be possible that Freddie wanted to try something. This is of course, just speculation based on some people I met, but it does not apply to 100% of people with terminal diseases. We know people like Jim Hutton were not aware of Freddie's daily schedule as he had his own agenda, but Phoebe was with Freddie 100% of the time, so, if I had to believe someone, I would trust Phoebe. He may not recall what Freddie recorded but he, as his personal assistant knew Freddie's agenda, whereabouts, etc. It is possible that Brian, Roger and Phoebe deny (or forgot) that shooting to protect Freddie, but they are the most trusted resources we have ATM. |
The Real Wizard 29.12.2014 10:58 |
CrystalHead wrote: its an open secret that a man called Ian Levine OWNS a copy of the video.So you're comfortable in your cloak of secrecy, but you're willing to throw someone else under the bus, potentially against their wishes? In the off chance that you are telling the truth - the only way you can save face here is if you can provide the video itself, or at least, screenshots. Countless wind up merchants have showed up in these quarters with tales galore, so you can't blame us for being skeptical when stories that could potentially rewrite Queen history pop up now and again, almost all of which are never ratified with evidence. |
The Real Wizard 29.12.2014 10:59 |
Sebastian wrote:Don't be so harsh. He's actually an excellent source of information, even if he confused a little detail here.Vocal harmony wrote: In a fan club mag from 1990 deacy wrote that they were still working on the album (Innuendo) but that you should keep an eye out for a new single Dont Try So Hard in the next few weeks.Err... no! John did mention they were working on the recording of 'Don't Try So Hard' but he did not say it was going to be a single and he did not ask people to keep an eye out for it. Thank you for the claim, though, as now I'll know not to trust anything you write on this forum. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 29.12.2014 11:06 |
Watch this space soon.... like on BM site.... This will be explored to the full! We will all know within 24 hrs. |
parchedpea 29.12.2014 11:06 |
This is the Ian Levine crystalhead talks about. link Anyone wanna ask him? While you're there, ask him if he has got The Power Of The Daleks too. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 11:06 |
I've asked Phoebe (through his blog on FreddieMercury.com) if he can confirm or otherwise that this footage was really filmed - here's hoping he answers in a future blog post. Even if he does answer and says that this video never existed, this doesn't necessarily mean that he is saying the truth, and/or it might be that he himself wasn't aware of Freddie filming this. At this point CrystalHead hasn't given any information to confirm whether she really worked with Rhys Thomas. All the info she has given could have been picked up/formulated by a dedicated Queen fan, such as the many on this board. AFAIK the last photo of Freddie is the one taken in spring 1991 in his garden, where he didn't have a beard. I'm not sure if the paparazzi photos came after this. The way CrystalHead is writing reminds me of the way John Titor wrote - she claims she has nothing to gain and that she is a mother who might actually be actively harming her career by giving even this little bit of info, yet she still keeps posting and trying to persuade people here that she is genuine. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 11:08 |
I haven't seen a post on QZ be as active as this one in YEARS. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 11:10 |
Yeah, can someone with Twitter please ask Ian Levine about this? link |
musicland munich 29.12.2014 11:32 |
@ costa Freddie had a beard in the end. Most of the 91'pics( not in the Videos of course) are showing him with a three or five day beard. A Kimono would make sense. It's not just a nice kick back to his early days...it would be also very comfortable for him to act because wearing regular clothes becomes painful for him in the end. That's why the inner parts of his clothes gets fitted with silk....and a Kimono is assumingly made of silk. So at least he would have an option to move his arms without stressing his skin too much. |
cmsdrums 29.12.2014 12:13 |
As a Doctor Who fan, I can vouch for the summary of Ian Levine being a collector of rare video footage in a number of genres, and if anyone would have contacts to get hold of this type of thing, he would. Please be aware that he is currently recovering from a stroke (made public on Twitter and discussed by him) so please do not bombard him. |
Day dop 29.12.2014 12:21 |
People will believe what they want to believe, regardless of what BM or PF says. "It's not true" will equate to some as: they're going along with the "official story". We've had that here already. CrystalHead hasn't said anything here that couldn't be completely made up by a Queen fan with a reasonable amount of knowledge. There's no reason whatsoever to believe it, though, I'm sure some will, because it's exciting to believe there's more footage. Look at it this way - even if it was true, which I have no reason to think it is at all, then CrystalHead has already outted themselves, as those involved would know exactly who the person is. Ridiculous. |
cmsdrums 29.12.2014 12:33 |
Whilst CrystalHead's info may be unprovable at present, don't forget that she didn't come here mouthing off, starting a topic out of thin air; info/rumours/documents were already being discussed for some years about both a promo for Don't Try So Hard,and Freddie being filmed in Montreux well after the TATDOOL promo. I'm no saying I believe either way, but won't trash her just yet based on her joining in an already discussed post on the topic with various tidbits of info already given by others to support various theories. |
Day dop 29.12.2014 12:50 |
cmsdrums wrote: Whilst CrystalHead's info may be unprovable at present, don't forget that she didn't come here mouthing off, starting a topic out of thin air; info/rumours/documents were already being discussed for some years about both a promo for Don't Try So Hard,and Freddie being filmed in Montreux well after the TATDOOL promo. I'm no saying I believe either way, but won't trash her just yet based on her joining in an already discussed post on the topic with various tidbits of info already given by others to support various theories.Or someone here with a reasonable amount of Queen knowledge saw this thread and figured it'd be amusing to have everyone on. Because, y' know... the internet. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 12:53 |
Day dop wrote: People will believe what they want to believe, regardless of what BM or PF says. "It's not true" will equate to some as: they're going along with the "official story". We've had that here already. CrystalHead hasn't said anything here that couldn't be completely made up by a Queen fan with a reasonable amount of knowledge. There's no reason whatsoever to believe it, though, I'm sure some will, because it's exciting to believe there's more footage. Look at it this way - even if it was true, which I have no reason to think it is at all, then CrystalHead has already outted themselves, as those involved would know exactly who the person is. Ridiculous.He's right. She refuses to say her name, but then goes on to say that her name can be deduced by looking at the credits for the documentaries she mentions. If there is any damage to be done to her career, then she's probably already done it by posting here and giving the info she's already given. |
Day dop 29.12.2014 13:00 |
Costa86 wrote:And even if there's a name that's on the end credits of a couple of docs. That still doesn't prove anything. That could be another person other than whoever CrystalHead is.Day dop wrote: People will believe what they want to believe, regardless of what BM or PF says. "It's not true" will equate to some as: they're going along with the "official story". We've had that here already. CrystalHead hasn't said anything here that couldn't be completely made up by a Queen fan with a reasonable amount of knowledge. There's no reason whatsoever to believe it, though, I'm sure some will, because it's exciting to believe there's more footage. Look at it this way - even if it was true, which I have no reason to think it is at all, then CrystalHead has already outted themselves, as those involved would know exactly who the person is. Ridiculous.He's right. She refuses to say her name, but then goes on to say that her name can be deduced by looking at the credits for the documentaries she mentions. If there is any damage to be done to her career, then she's probably already done it by posting here and giving the info she's already given. |
Holly2003 29.12.2014 13:14 |
cmsdrums wrote: Please be aware that he is currently recovering from a stroke (made public on Twitter and discussed by him) so please do not bombard him.Given the tone of this conversation, and many other "last of" topics, don't be surprised if someone asks for a picture of him in hospital. |
LucasDiego 29.12.2014 13:18 |
If she's right that her name is the great pretender credits, here is the credits: Directed by Rhys Thomas Produced by Jim Beach, Rhys Thomas and Joss Crowley Supervising Producer for EMP: Alan Ravenscroft Supervising Producer for Eagle Rock Entertainment: Andrew Winter Executive Producers for Eagle Rock Entertainment: Terry Shand and Geoff Kempin Cover Photograph: Peter Hince Directory Of Photography: Ric Clark Film Editor: Christopher Bird Queen Archivist: Greg Brooks Archive Researchers: Keith Badman, David Ross, Universal Media, Inc Freddie Mercury's final interview and other selected documentary footage directed by Rudi Dolezal She says that works at Eagle, so her is Terry Shand, I think... |
Day dop 29.12.2014 13:23 |
Baring in mind what CrystalHead wrote..."I was part of the sound mixing unit" I just double checked on the Blu-ray .... There's no females mentioned on the credits when it comes to sound mixing on The Great Pretender (Ariel Sultan is a man, in case anyone might think that's a females name). link Like I said, it's a bullshit story. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 13:27 |
Terry Shand is a man. I've searched on IMDB as well as looked at the end credits of The Great Pretender on YouTube, and the only female names which appear there are Anne, Meyer, Corinna Kearney and Melissa Roy. This page - link - also reveals two additional names as production co-ordinators - Claire Higgins and Rosie Holley. She says her name also appears on the credits for Bellamy's People - none of the names mentioned indicate any relationship to Bellamy's People - if for instance one searches Google for 'anne meyer bellamy's people', nothing relevant seems to come up. |
Day dop 29.12.2014 13:30 |
Costa86 wrote: Terry Shand is a man. I've searched on IMDB as well as looked at the end credits of The Great Pretender on YouTube, and the only female names which appear there are Anne, Meyer, Corinna Kearney and Melissa Roy. This page - link - also reveals two additional names as production co-ordinators - Claire Higgins and Rosie Holley. She says her name also appears on the credit for Bellamy's People - none of the names mentioned indicate any relationship to Bellamy's People - if for instance one searches Google for 'anne meyer bellamy's people', nothing relevant seems to come up.Plus, CrystalHead claims she worked on sound mixing. There's only two names in the credits on the Great Pretender. Neither are female. |
Mercuryman12 29.12.2014 13:31 |
Day dop wrote: Just double checked on the Blu-ray .... There's no females mentioned on the credits when it comes to sound mixing on The Great Pretender. Like I said, it's a bullshit story.You have to admit how could she make some of these details up |
Day dop 29.12.2014 13:33 |
The only reason I'm bothering to debunk this, is that if that's not done, others here will easily continue to believe such nonsense (I don't rule out that some still might! - regardless of all that goes against). |
Day dop 29.12.2014 13:35 |
Mercuryman12 wrote:What details? For example, what Freddie/Queen fanatic doesn't know Freddie loved Japanese art? Some people are exceptionally good at making stuff up, or making stories sound true.Day dop wrote: Just double checked on the Blu-ray .... There's no females mentioned on the credits when it comes to sound mixing on The Great Pretender. Like I said, it's a bullshit story.You have to admit how could she make some of these details up |
CrystalHead 29.12.2014 13:38 |
Guys I completely understand the skepticism toward the info I provided - believe me I was prepared for it, and I have to say I admire the way a lot of you have spoken your minds etc and I completely get that just by me providing info on here - that that isn't enough for you to believe me. It shows what strong and opinionated characters make up the Queen Fan Community. There are a number of reasons why I don't feel comfortable giving my real identity. A few of these reasons have nothing to do with me protecting my career in any shape or form. I just don't (at this point) feel comfortable with giving my name on here. However that could change in the next couple of days. Ian Levine is the best source to go to. I know he has been ill and in recovery so as someone on here said it wouldn't be fair to bombard him. This afternoon I spoke to a mutual friend that Ian and I both have and she told me that Ian has been quite open in the past about the existence of the Don't Try So Hard Video. She tells me that in social situations when she has heard Ian discussing Queen and someone has mentioned Freddie looking ill in the TATDOOL video - he has spoken openly that Freddie made a video after that and that he was in possession of it. This wasn't an effort to "out" Ian has having the video - just confirmation that he is ok with people knowing he has it or has had it. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 13:38 |
Someone made up John Titor - if people can make THAT up, they sure as hell can make up a Freddie Mercury last video story and make it sound believable. |
Mercuryman12 29.12.2014 13:41 |
CrystalHead wrote: Guys I completely understand the skepticism toward the info I provided - believe me I was prepared for it, and I have to say I admire the way a lot of you have spoken your minds etc and I completely get that just by me providing info on here - that that isn't enough for you to believe me. It shows what strong and opinionated characters make up the Queen Fan Community. There are a number of reasons why I don't feel comfortable giving my real identity. A few of these reasons have nothing to do with me protecting my career in any shape or form. I just don't (at this point) feel comfortable with giving my name on here. However that could change in the next couple of days. Ian Levine is the best source to go to. I know he has been ill and in recovery so as someone on here said it wouldn't be fair to bombard him. This afternoon I spoke to a mutual friend that Ian and I both have and she told me that Ian has been quite open in the past about the existence of the Don't Try So Hard Video. She tells me that in social situations when she has heard Ian discussing Queen and someone has mentioned Freddie looking ill in the TATDOOL video - he has spoken openly that Freddie made a video after that and that he was in possession of it. This wasn't an effort to "out" Ian has having the video - just confirmation that he is ok with people knowing he has it or has had it.PM someone your name and they can confirm it and relay to us if you are lying |
Day dop 29.12.2014 13:45 |
CrystalHead wrote: Guys I completely understand the skepticism toward the info I provided - believe me I was prepared for it, and I have to say I admire the way a lot of you have spoken your minds etc and I completely get that just by me providing info on here - that that isn't enough for you to believe me. It shows what strong and opinionated characters make up the Queen Fan Community. There are a number of reasons why I don't feel comfortable giving my real identity. A few of these reasons have nothing to do with me protecting my career in any shape or form. I just don't (at this point) feel comfortable with giving my name on here. However that could change in the next couple of days. Ian Levine is the best source to go to. I know he has been ill and in recovery so as someone on here said it wouldn't be fair to bombard him. This afternoon I spoke to a mutual friend that Ian and I both have and she told me that Ian has been quite open in the past about the existence of the Don't Try So Hard Video. She tells me that in social situations when she has heard Ian discussing Queen and someone has mentioned Freddie looking ill in the TATDOOL video - he has spoken openly that Freddie made a video after that and that he was in possession of it. This wasn't an effort to "out" Ian has having the video - just confirmation that he is ok with people knowing he has it or has had it."I was part of the sound mixing unit". No females worked on sound mixing according to The Great Pretender credits (where you suggested people should look). Two males, no females. |
musicland munich 29.12.2014 13:47 |
well If she's actually a she .... |
Costa86 29.12.2014 13:48 |
CrystalHead wrote: Guys I completely understand the skepticism toward the info I provided - believe me I was prepared for it, and I have to say I admire the way a lot of you have spoken your minds etc and I completely get that just by me providing info on here - that that isn't enough for you to believe me. It shows what strong and opinionated characters make up the Queen Fan Community. There are a number of reasons why I don't feel comfortable giving my real identity. A few of these reasons have nothing to do with me protecting my career in any shape or form. I just don't (at this point) feel comfortable with giving my name on here. However that could change in the next couple of days. Ian Levine is the best source to go to. I know he has been ill and in recovery so as someone on here said it wouldn't be fair to bombard him. This afternoon I spoke to a mutual friend that Ian and I both have and she told me that Ian has been quite open in the past about the existence of the Don't Try So Hard Video. She tells me that in social situations when she has heard Ian discussing Queen and someone has mentioned Freddie looking ill in the TATDOOL video - he has spoken openly that Freddie made a video after that and that he was in possession of it. This wasn't an effort to "out" Ian has having the video - just confirmation that he is ok with people knowing he has it or has had it.Hi CrystalHeads - thanks for taking the time to post here (even if it's not genuine, it's still kind of interesting!). Could you please tell us why there has been this impetus on your part to speak out about this video - I mean, why now? And why do you say things could change in the next few days? You give the impression that some cogwheels are turning somewhere, and something is happening in connection with this alleged video. In a way you're building up anticipation - from a stunning (if genuine) but still pretty "matter-of-fact" post about a video, this is turning into some expectation of an upcoming revelation. |
Day dop 29.12.2014 13:49 |
musicland munich wrote: well If she's actually a she ....A little like those Nigerian guys that pretend they're female trying to sell you a scam. |
musicland munich 29.12.2014 13:55 |
Day dop wrote:I'am open minded..yes i would like to see some more stuff with a character of evidence like an old contract with Eagle rock ( personal data can be covered)...for example.musicland munich wrote: well If she's actually a she ....A little like those Nigerian guys that pretend they're female trying to sell you a scam. As for the nigerian guy...I fell sorry for you that you've been in such a delicat situation ;) |
Costa86 29.12.2014 13:58 |
musicland munich wrote:Yeah, let's please see some non-identifying evidence that you did actually work on The Great Pretender.Day dop wrote:I'am open minded..yes i would like to see some more stuff with a character of evidence like an old contract with Eagle rock ( personal data can be covered)...for example.musicland munich wrote: well If she's actually a she ....A little like those Nigerian guys that pretend they're female trying to sell you a scam. |
Chief Mouse 29.12.2014 14:02 |
Day dop wrote:musicland munich wrote: well If she's actually a she ....A little like those Nigerian guys that pretend they're female trying to sell you a scam. Oh yeah. I got something like that recently - http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y418/MouseRapist/10824695_756125214481259_686050170_o_zpsfb36148d.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 10824695_756125214481259_686050170_o_zpsfb36148d.jpg"/> |
Day dop 29.12.2014 14:03 |
musicland munich wrote: I'am open minded..yes i would like to see some more stuff with a character of evidence like an old contract with Eagle rock ( personal data can be covered)...for example.The thing about open-mindedness is that sceptical open-mindedness differs from credulous open-mindedness in that the sceptic has effective mechanisms for assessing claims and rejecting those that are found wanting. I'd like to think you're of the former way of thinking, or most people are here. Because, the issue with this story, is people might hold onto it, purely out of wishful thinking, when there's nothing to back it up. So far, quite the opposite. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 14:09 |
Kind of reminds me of Bob Lazar, the Area 51 guy who said he studied at MIT, but no records of him ever having been there existed. When shown with this evidence, he said all records had been erased by secret agents of the US government. He couldn't explain how none of the professors could remember him though. We've seen the sound mixing credits, and no female name showed up. No relevant female names showed up anywhere else in the credits either. Unless she was so "low-level" that she wasn't included in the credits (which begs the question how she was able to see this video to begin with, or why she even mentioned looking at the credits), then this indeed acts as strong evidence against her claims. |
CrystalHead 29.12.2014 14:14 |
The main reason I decided to speak about the video on here was my Daughter bought me the Queen Forever Album for Christmas. I would never have classified myself as a "Huge" Queen fan before 2011 but at the same time I like them a lot more than a lot of other Bands. It was listening to the instrumental version of Who Wants To Live Forever. It started me thinking of the video and the time spent working with Rhys, and I kept thinking of the Don't Try So Hard video. Whilst browsing Queen videos on Youtube I came across some truly appalling and disgusting Homophobic remarks about Freddie. On one of the videos the subject of the video made for DTSH came up and again there was a stream of nastiness. In an age where nothing much shocks me I was truly shocked. So I somehow found my way here and the first thread on the message boards I took notice of was this one so I thought I would let you guys know what I know about the video. |
musicland munich 29.12.2014 14:15 |
But we do all agree that there is no way to conect her/his brain to a USB Flash Drive and download what that individual had POSSIBLY seen during the work on that production. So a real evidence would be impossible to provide. We're actually talking about circumstantial evidences. Right ? |
Day dop 29.12.2014 14:17 |
CrystalHead wrote: The main reason I decided to speak about the video on here was my Daughter bought me the Queen Forever Album for Christmas. I would never have classified myself as a "Huge" Queen fan before 2011 but at the same time I like them a lot more than a lot of other Bands. It was listening to the instrumental version of Who Wants To Live Forever. It started me thinking of the video and the time spent working with Rhys, and I kept thinking of the Don't Try So Hard video. Whilst browsing Queen videos on Youtube I came across some truly appalling and disgusting Homophobic remarks about Freddie. On one of the videos the subject of the video made for DTSH came up and again there was a stream of nastiness. In an age where nothing much shocks me I was truly shocked. So I somehow found my way here and the first thread on the message boards I took notice of was this one so I thought I would let you guys know what I know about the video.We looked at the credits of Great Pretender. No female name credited on sound mixing, which is what you previously said you worked on. No female names related to Bellamy's people. We did what you suggested. What you've said hasn't held up. |
Costa86 29.12.2014 14:33 |
BS meter currently moving to the right. |
Day dop 29.12.2014 14:35 |
Costa86 wrote: BS meter currently moving to the right.I think it'd be a safe bet that it'd be correct in doing so. |
musicland munich 29.12.2014 14:45 |
As for now I stop the good Cop mode...if there is something USEFUL coming up...I'll give it a listen...if you ( CrystalHead) have a question how to upload pics/scans on this forum, don't feel shy to ask. |
Hoopsie 29.12.2014 15:41 |
winterspelt wrote: It is possible that Freddie had a creativity rush and wanted to try a few ideas. I was a medical student a lot of years ago, and I saw in the hospital many people with terminal diseases who were truly sure they could do things that could not even do in their best shape, specially those who are in the last 30-90 days seem to deny his own limitations. That's the way human mind works, so, under that light it MAY be possible that Freddie wanted to try something. ************** It's called "final bloom" and is actually very common among the dying. They have a brief spurt of energy and appear for all the world to be experiencing a remarkable recovery but sadly, it is only temporary. It's like mother nature gives you one last hurrah. |
LucasDiego 29.12.2014 15:53 |
If this story it's true, i believe that the original forth single would be DDTS, this video was made, but Brian and Roger desliked a lot the video, so TSMGO was chosen, and because Freddie's conditions, the video is only video montage of moments of the band Ps: IF this true! |
cmsdrums 29.12.2014 15:54 |
This may be well known to others forum members here, but just worth adding to the mix that Ian Levine is credited with finding/saving/owning a previously lost Top of the Pops tape with Seven Seas of Rhye on: link |
oliverd05 29.12.2014 16:01 |
hmmm thats very interesting, and i agree with a lot of people who say this is one topic thats been the most active in recent years, ill be honest i dunno what to make of it! the Ian Levine info seems like it has some credibility but we'll never know for sure i suppose! Also im sure Ian Levine wasnt the source for the TOTP tapes becoming found again, i can't remember who it was but im sure it was a celebrity taping their own show and caught the end of Seven Seas Of Rhye, again.. i can't remember who it was but im sure someone knows! Hope every1 had a great Christmas! |
cmsdrums 29.12.2014 16:21 |
You're right OliverD05 with regard to where Queen sourced their copy - I recall it was found on the end of a home VHS copy of someone like Dick Emery or other UK tv star who had happened to record something they were in and caught the Queen performance too. However, the link in my last post seems to intimate that a virtually pristine copy of one of the Seven Seas of Rhye performances might exist separately that Queen are unaware of and don't have. In my (brief) searches I also found reference to a high generation copy of Killer Queen TOTP performance too, again held by Ian Levine, and publicly aired at a 'rare film archive' convention a year or two back. |
Mr.QueenFan 29.12.2014 16:23 |
CrystalHead wrote: The main reason I decided to speak about the video on here was my Daughter bought me the Queen Forever Album for Christmas. I would never have classified myself as a "Huge" Queen fan before 2011 but at the same time I like them a lot more than a lot of other Bands. It was listening to the instrumental version of Who Wants To Live Forever. It started me thinking of the video and the time spent working with Rhys, and I kept thinking of the Don't Try So Hard video. Whilst browsing Queen videos on Youtube I came across some truly appalling and disgusting Homophobic remarks about Freddie. On one of the videos the subject of the video made for DTSH came up and again there was a stream of nastiness. In an age where nothing much shocks me I was truly shocked. So I somehow found my way here and the first thread on the message boards I took notice of was this one so I thought I would let you guys know what I know about the video.First of all, let me just say that you are one sick fuck! On page four of this thread the last post before your's is from February 2014. That means that you bumped this thread. This wasn't the first thing you took notice on this board - you've searched it! I don't have a problem with this, but if i was the owner of this site i would compare your IP with the IP's of everybody who post here from QP. You seem to know a thing or two about Queen and collectors market. And the way you posted from the beginning, shows that you have experience talking about Queen on the Internet. The way you use TATDOOL and other expressions tell me that. I just hope you're not someone from QP doing this trolling of a Queen fan site. Oh, and by the way - you've lost me when you stated that John Deacon was in the video, because people who knew Freddie stated in the past that John didn't visit Freddie often because it was difficult for him to do so. And there wasn't a chance of them recording a video, and Brian and Roger thinking it was something else. No chance, specially when Freddie was ill like he was at the time, and i'm pretty sure if that was the case, they would ALL want to be there. And not because they didn't want to hurt Freddie's feelings, but because they LOVED him. As i said, you are one sick fuck!. Go and find some help, cause you clearly need it. But hey, kuddos for the story, because the ones who can confirm it, won't do it, or can't do it! Some people :-) P.S. - If one day a video appears i will apologize for doubting your bullshit words :-) |
Costa86 29.12.2014 16:47 |
^ The above re just 'stumbling' on this thread - I thought that same - you'd need to either search for this post purposefully, or else go through pages upon pages of more recent threads. In the off-chance that this poster really did see the video though, I don't think it's wise to get personal and insult them by calling names. |
oliverd05 29.12.2014 16:49 |
ahh i didnt know there was other copies for the TOTP performances!! thanks for the info :) |
Day dop 29.12.2014 17:39 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: And the way you posted from the beginning, shows that you have experience talking about Queen on the Internet. The way you use TATDOOL and other expressions tell me that.Yep. I'd say CrystalHead is most likely a regular user here, who usually goes by another name. The problem with telling lies, is you've gotta be consistent with 'em, and that's something CrystalHead has failed to do. |
The Ghost of Lester Burnham 29.12.2014 17:54 |
I'm surprised anyone thinks this is remotely legit. |
LucasDiego 29.12.2014 18:31 |
I will not surprise if this story will be really fake, but if this is true, i am not surprise too, the day that everybody enter to queen productions, who knows, a many of surprises appear in this place! |
Hoopsie 29.12.2014 18:36 |
Costa86 wrote: ^ The above re just 'stumbling' on this thread - I thought that same - you'd need to either search for this post purposefully, or else go through pages upon pages of more recent threads.I browsed every page of every topic on this entire site long before I ever thought of registering. Just sayin'. |
Chrisallstar 29.12.2014 18:51 |
a great thread to read however I still highly doubt this story. If this video existed it would be more widely known by now. If it was in the hands of a private collector it would have been discussed at some point. queen productions haven't been shy about releasing other footage of Freddie looking frail so if this existed we would have seen a clip or a still. Finally, if it did exist and Queen didn't want the footage to be shown they would simply just say "yes this video exists, but it's harrowing to watch and out of respect to Freddie we will not be releasing it". End of story. I mean why would they need to lie about it... |
Hoopsie 29.12.2014 19:11 |
Chrisallstar wrote: Finally, if it did exist and Queen didn't want the footage to be shown they would simply just say "yes this video exists, but it's harrowing to watch and out of respect to Freddie we will not be releasing it". End of story. I mean why would they need to lie about it...Why do they feel the need to lie about anything? A misguided sense of trying to control their own history and how the future remembers them. |
matt z 29.12.2014 20:29 |
Hoopsie wrote:Are you glibly referring to the "Biopic"?Chrisallstar wrote: Finally, if it did exist and Queen didn't want the footage to be shown they would simply just say "yes this video exists, but it's harrowing to watch and out of respect to Freddie we will not be releasing it". End of story. I mean why would they need to lie about it...Why do they feel the need to lie about anything? A misguided sense of trying to control their own history and how the future remembers them. |
Chief Mouse 30.12.2014 03:41 |
From Phoebe's blog. If it's anything to go by - "Dennis asked a question that has arisen a few times over the years; when was the last time Freddie was filmed. Contrary to rumours, the last film of Freddie took place during the filming of Days of Our Lives. I have heard, along with quite a few others, that Freddie was filmed at the Duck House after the video was shot. As far as I know this never happened, and if you think logically, why Freddie would rent the Duck House again when he had a perfectly wonderful apartment that he owned. I don’t see Freddie going backwards to re-live the past, when he enjoyed what he had." http://www.freddiemercury.com/askphoebe/index.php/blog-88/ . |
cmsdrums 30.12.2014 03:55 |
The key words there being "AS FAR AS I KNOW...". He doesn't know - end of. It doesn't provide any proof either way. The filming could, but probably didn't, still happen. |
Chief Mouse 30.12.2014 04:26 |
cmsdrums wrote: The key words there being "AS FAR AS I KNOW...". He doesn't know - end of. It doesn't provide any proof either way. The filming could, but probably didn't, still happen. Of course. But ultimately he still has more credibility than this person who popped up on the internet forum out of blue. After all Peter Freestone was Freddie's personal assistant and travelled with him all over the world. It could be, of course, that he wouldn't reveal anything about this video even if it really exists since Brian and Roger have forbidden it. Same with Rhys Thomas. |
CrystalHead 30.12.2014 05:32 |
Look - I said I understand the skepticism toward me - but I don't think its fair to call me as a "Sick Fuck". Twice. I know the video existed and there's a lot of other people who know this too. This is exactly why I wouldn't reveal any personal details on here because there are some very immature people on here who exist in most fan communities - knowing my personal details would just give you another outlet to be nasty and insulting toward me. Im gonna sign off now. Again - I had absolutely NOTHING to gain by confirming the existence of the video - I genuinely thought that it may just be of interest to you on here. And ill keep it to that - I didn't mean to annoy anyone or upset anyone my intentions of confirming the existence of the video came from a very genuine place. But to the person who called me a sick fuck - I'm presuming it was a man - I would seriously consider addressing your own personality traits before slinging mud like that. Everyone who reads your post will see it is full to the brim with bitterness and this has nothing to do with you trying to be a hero and call out someone who you presume is lying about a video. This is because you are jealous and frustrated on some level that YOU weren't the one to have seen the video/and or be able to report on it - whether you believe the video exists or not. You are probably terrified that it does exist because someone other than yourself has seen it and your self loathing has batted you down further. I've been involved in the Television and Film Industry for 20 years - that is a long time for a woman to exist in a cut throat environment such as that - and I've come across endless chauvinistic bullies like yourself. You really shouldn't use the word "Fuck" because it is plainly obvious you will never find anyone - woman or man who would let you do that to them you Sick Fuck. |
Hangman_96 30.12.2014 07:18 |
Would you mind providing us with some screenshots, if you have any? |
Vocal harmony 30.12.2014 07:21 |
Sebastian wrote:Thanks for your considered reply, I was quoting from memory, and 25 years is a long time.Vocal harmony wrote: In a fan club mag from 1990 deacy wrote that they were still working on the album (Innuendo) but that you should keep an eye out for a new single Dont Try So Hard in the next few weeks.Err... no! John did mention they were working on the recording of 'Don't Try So Hard' but he did not say it was going to be a single and he did not ask people to keep an eye out for it. Thank you for the claim, though, as now I'll know not to trust anything you write on this forum. The letter was in the spring issue and was dated 16th march 1990 QUOTE " Hello again, at the moment we are all sitting in a studio in London analyzing and discussing the last few vocal lines of a song called Dont Try So Hard..... ...... It some times takes us hours to sortoutsomething that lasts for microseconds on an album. With a bit of luck and good futune it may be released this year. Watch out for the wacky single.... .... We have now moved on to discussing ideas for a video" There your proof, slightly different from what I remember. However I don't make this up, and post things that can't be trusted. The contents of JD's letter would appear to point towards Dont Try So Hard as being the "wacky single" why only mention that song? And why mention a video?. No one on here presents 100% accurate info 100% of the time, but some of us try to, but some of us try, but when it comes to remembering a few lines you read 25 years ago are you going to tell me that your recollection would be any better? |
Vocal harmony 30.12.2014 07:25 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Thank you Mr WizzSebastian wrote:Don't be so harsh. He's actually an excellent source of information, even if he confused a little detail here.Vocal harmony wrote: In a fan club mag from 1990 deacy wrote that they were still working on the album (Innuendo) but that you should keep an eye out for a new single Dont Try So Hard in the next few weeks.Err... no! John did mention they were working on the recording of 'Don't Try So Hard' but he did not say it was going to be a single and he did not ask people to keep an eye out for it. Thank you for the claim, though, as now I'll know not to trust anything you write on this forum. |
cmsdrums 30.12.2014 08:09 |
I'd suggest that John referencing that they were just looking at 'Don't Try So Hard' is one part of his 'conversation', and then the reference to a "wacky single" is unrelated - since when could DTSH ever be referred to as "wacky"? That is far more likely to be referring to 'I'm Going Slightly Mad'. Similarly, the 'with a bit of luck it may be released this year' will refer to the album 'Innuendo' and not just one track. |
Vocal harmony 30.12.2014 08:32 |
^^^ good points and I do agree with this. But the other side of it is that JD only mentions one song by name in his letter, and from that it could be concluded that the letter is kind of giving fans a heads up to that song being released. You are of course right IGSM is the one song on the album that could be called wacky. But if that's the case it would seem that at that point that song was lined up ahead of innuendo. To me it's still an open book, and what he's really talking about could be any number of things. I've just always assumed it was the song he mentions. |
aion 30.12.2014 09:07 |
This was still quite early, March 1990, and it's possible that at that point they were very happy with Don't Try So Hard and thought that it would be a single; but then later they made new songs which they liked better and DTSH stayed on the album. Plans change over time. |
Day dop 30.12.2014 10:32 |
CrystalHead wrote: Look - I said I understand the skepticism toward me - but I don't think its fair to call me as a "Sick Fuck". Twice. I know the video existed and there's a lot of other people who know this too. This is exactly why I wouldn't reveal any personal details on here because there are some very immature people on here who exist in most fan communities - knowing my personal details would just give you another outlet to be nasty and insulting toward me. Im gonna sign off now. Again - I had absolutely NOTHING to gain by confirming the existence of the video - I genuinely thought that it may just be of interest to you on here. And ill keep it to that - I didn't mean to annoy anyone or upset anyone my intentions of confirming the existence of the video came from a very genuine place. But to the person who called me a sick fuck - I'm presuming it was a man - I would seriously consider addressing your own personality traits before slinging mud like that. Everyone who reads your post will see it is full to the brim with bitterness and this has nothing to do with you trying to be a hero and call out someone who you presume is lying about a video. This is because you are jealous and frustrated on some level that YOU weren't the one to have seen the video/and or be able to report on it - whether you believe the video exists or not. You are probably terrified that it does exist because someone other than yourself has seen it and your self loathing has batted you down further. I've been involved in the Television and Film Industry for 20 years - that is a long time for a woman to exist in a cut throat environment such as that - and I've come across endless chauvinistic bullies like yourself. You really shouldn't use the word "Fuck" because it is plainly obvious you will never find anyone - woman or man who would let you do that to them you Sick Fuck."I had absolutely NOTHING to gain by confirming the existence of the video" It's already been pointed out, repeatedly, that people spread codswallop for amusement purposes on the internet. And bullshitters, over a period of time, tend to trip up (also repeatedly) as you have. "Absolutely NOTHING" is exactly what you have. |
musicland munich 30.12.2014 12:16 |
So le's go one by one here A) sorry ChrystalHead as long there is nothng substancial or at least something that makes you genuine...thank you for your informations/Theory/ Thesis or Bullshit...... B) Peter Freestone wasn'part of the entourage on Freddie's last trip to Montreux - he was in Garden Lodge. C) If Peter's informations are true about the Duckhouse ( rent) then he shreds almost EVERYTHING what the DORO's have said about Freddie's final month(s) in Montreux. Aside from the fact that Freddie would have the money for that quite easily. |
Sebastian 30.12.2014 13:20 |
Vocal harmony wrote: The contents of JD's letter would appear to point towards Dont Try So Hard as being the "wacky single"No, they don't. He mentions that song, and then he mentions a planned wacky single. There's absolutely nothing else to it, and absolutely nothing to suggest that song was going to be the wacky single. Vocal harmony wrote: when it comes to remembering a few lines you read 25 years ago are you going to tell me that your recollection would be any better?I'm not saying I'd remember it better. There's no need to be able to remember it better in order to question the accuracy of your claim, just like there's no need to have ruled a country in order to criticise a corrupt government. Whether I could recall it or not is irrelevant, this is about your claims, not about mine. But no, you shouldn't believe anything I write in here, either... or anyone else for that matter. There are no authorities when it comes to research. |
Mr.QueenFan 30.12.2014 14:12 |
CrystalHead wrote: But to the person who called me a sick fuck - I'm presuming it was a man - I would seriously consider addressing your own personality traits before slinging mud like that. Everyone who reads your post will see it is full to the brim with bitterness and this has nothing to do with you trying to be a hero and call out someone who you presume is lying about a video. This is because you are jealous and frustrated on some level that YOU weren't the one to have seen the video/and or be able to report on it - whether you believe the video exists or not. You are probably terrified that it does exist because someone other than yourself has seen it and your self loathing has batted you down further. I've been involved in the Television and Film Industry for 20 years - that is a long time for a woman to exist in a cut throat environment such as that - and I've come across endless chauvinistic bullies like yourself. You really shouldn't use the word "Fuck" because it is plainly obvious you will never find anyone - woman or man who would let you do that to them you Sick Fuck.You are wrong, again! The reason you are logging of is because there's nothing to keep your bullshit story alive. You are full of shit! To say that Queen and Jim Beach threatened to take out the permission to use their music in the "Days of our lives" documentary only proves my point. The documentary is QP's, it was not comissioned outside QP, so that means that Roger, Brian and Jim have the final word about what stays in it. It's not up to Rhys or any other editor to include things against their wishes. And this means that they didn't need to threaten to remove their music from their own documentary. You're not even a women, so stop pretending. You think like a man :-) Really dude, you think girls give their momies CD's? Ha, ha - Queen Forever of all the Cd's? :-) You're too easy to spot! The only thing i would like to see getting donne, is for the owner of this site to compare your IP adress with the ones by the QP members that post in this forum. Just to make sure that you're not from their own team. Because if you are from QP team you should be reported to them and get your ass fired. You take Freddie's illness and come here making fun of Queen fans. Sad! I'm not interested in what you have to say anymore, but i do like the fact that you refer to me as "Sick Fuck" in capital letters. It shows respect! |
Hoopsie 30.12.2014 15:13 |
If only there was a way to disagree without name calling... |
ludwigs 30.12.2014 16:12 |
Hoopsie wrote: If only there was a way to disagree without name calling...^^^^ +10! If 'Crystal - whatever' has offered some bait, is it really necessary to resort to abusive posts and name-calling?? Are we all so pathetic that this recent post matters a jot in the scheme of things?? Shame on all of us arseholes!! Will it affect YOU in any way? NO it won't. Just suppose it were true and we got to see a snippet or any other crap that so many wolves hanker after! (Status Quo now).....'Just Supposin' that her/his accounts were true? What next? Did they not suggest giving them a few days? If they're fallacy - who cares? Unless if affects family etc....why do you care? The outbursts recently just make me glad to be of sound mind and rational. compared to the almost retarded postings. It's quite revolting really. I have loved Queen since '74 but I'd never be so shallow or even selfish to become offensive cause of anyone's claims! Sure....I'd like to think that something may come to fruition BUT......until that time comes I will stay grounded and see it as a bonus. Are OUR lives really that sad???? Maybe so many should pop across to as St Barnabos hospice or similar to try to get some real perspective!!! I know I have. |
e-man 30.12.2014 16:15 |
whatever the truth turns out to be, this is a good read :) some points to consider; * Peter Freestone said in one of the unoffcial documentaries (one which made its way to dvd) that Freddie's last visit in Montreux was in october 91. I don't know if Freestone was at Freddie's side every day, so who knows? maybe he did a short video shoot? is the length of footage mentioned anywhere? There could be a few shots of Freddie and the rest is a cut 'n' paste job. This needn't have been a big operation planned for weeks / months. It might have been decided a day before the actual filming. Don't forget that's how the final Made in Heaven sessions worked; Freddie let the others know that he was feeling ok, and that he could work a bit that day. (words to that effect by Brian in Champions of the World). Surely it's plausable that a final, short, video session, could have been organized like this too? * while the point about John's appearence in the video is actually what makes me doubt the whole story the most, we also know that october 91 was a month where Roger was very busy touring / promoting The Cross, and thus probably unable to get away unless it was well planned in advance. Also; Brian was in the middle of organizing The Guitar Legends thing, as well as, I would imagine, working on his solo single / album. This could very well explain their absence, especially if the video "shoot" was decided very shorty before it actually took place * and of course; would DoRo claim that the footage existed if it didn't? I hope this story unfolds! Hopefully someone will indeed be able to ask dave clark about this, and perhaps that famous collector will shed some light? |
Oscar J 30.12.2014 16:19 |
Hoopsie wrote: If only there was a way to disagree without name calling...I'm not sure that's even theoretically possible on here. |
Chief Mouse 30.12.2014 16:45 |
I agree, name calling is completely unnecessary. |
Mr.QueenFan 30.12.2014 18:58 |
I like Queenzone's double standards here. Let's not act as hypocrits, because i don't see anyone defending the user gerry or rocknrollover when they are called not so pleasant names on this forum. The only reason you guys are deffending the chrystal user is because you have an interest in "her" friendship. It has nothing to do that you guys think it's wrong the namecalling on this site. You guys are so willing to be bullshited that it's not funny. - The user says that the first thing "she" saw on this site was this topic. Well, i proved that it was wrong! The user had to search for this topic because the last post before was from February. But ok, i'm sure that doesn't matter, as long as you guys keep your delusional perspective intact! - The user comes here and says that John was the only one there, and that Brian and Roger got pissed because they were never aware that the video shoot took place, and some of you say: "Fine! This makes total sense. A video shoot that wasn't suppose to happen, happened!" Despite the fact that in both the Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton Bio's John Deacon wasn't mention during the last trip of Freddie to Montreux. I mean, forget about the video shoot, John was never mentioned. On the contrary, according to some users on Queenonline who spoke to Jim Hutton, he said that John kept his distance from Freddie because it was too hard for him to see him like that. Never once this video shoot was mentioned. - Some of you say that this could be one thing that got shoot all of a sudden. Please, let's not make up stories to fit your naíve perspective. What Freddie did during the MIH sessions couldn't be translated to video shooting. I'm not saying that Freddie was not video recorded in his last trip to Montreux, but to make a video on the spot was simply not possible. Specially when , according to this user, Freddie whore a wig, a Kimono, and there were Japanese things filling the environment. Funny, that none of these arrangements were EVER discussed on the bio's of those who were close to Freddie; - And then comes the revelation that this user knows that Brian and Roger were pissed at John for being there. How dare John? And even though the user describes what appears to be a full production of a Videoclip, with make-up involved, Brian and Roger weren't aware of it. Hey, i'm pretty sure Jim Beach wasn't aware neither. But i know, in the end, maybe it was Freddie's idea for this to happen in secrecy. He just didn't want Brian and Roger there with him! How do you even put this in context is beyond me. - The user said "They confirmed it was indeed Freddie, but they also said if any of the footage was shown in either motion or still form, Queen would withdraw any involvement with the documentary and their music would follow in a similar fashion". I think i've explained with detail that Queen were the ones making the documentary, so the above quote doesn't make sense. Unless you want to deny what you know to fit this story into your brains; - The user says :"It would appear at the time that Brian May and Roger Taylor were oblivious to the recording - so when DoRo delivered the rushes to the Queen Offices in late 1991 they were appalled not only that they were oblivious but that Freddie looked even worse than he did I the TATDOOL Video. They determined that it would never be seen and that the official story would be that TATDOOL would be considered the last video he made and thus the myth was spun. I can reveal that Brian and Roger were furious that John appeared In the video and this caused huge tension between the three - some of which still exists today. From what I can gather John didn't want to be in the video but didn't want to hurt Freddies feelings by refusing." And you guys don't even ask how it is possible to know all this (?), when all they asked QP was if the film was legit and the answer was "yes, but if this appears we withdrawn our participation and our music"?!; You guys find this all very normal. Well, i don't! Because if i believe this to be false, the name calling was very soft. The reason i am pissed is because i believe that this user may be well connected, or a fan, but yet he uses the story of Freddie's last days to make fun of Queen fans. I have my opinion about who i think this is, but i'll keep it to myself. Am i saying that the video of "Don't try so hard" doesn't exist or was never shooted? No! I don't have the knowledge to do so, and i'm open minded about everything. What i am saying is that the way this user presented the information is wrong and misleading. Normally i wouldn't mind, but to use Freddie in this charade is sad. But you guys are free to believe all you want. In the end, let's see who's right! There's a line in Madonna's "Frozen" that says:"You only see what your eyes want to see" I think it applies to some of you on this topic. Cheers, and have a great 2015. |
Ale Solan 30.12.2014 19:49 |
Time will tell if this is true or not, or maybe it's true and we'll never know cuz this "footage" was destroyed... or it'll never be released to the public eye. No-one can say this is 100% true or 100% fake. Do not play the Queen experts role cuz you're not. Only (some of) the people working at Queen Productions Ltd. can tell with certain accurate info on their hands. |
Day dop 30.12.2014 20:19 |
.... which brings it back again to what I said earlier: The thing about open-mindedness is that sceptical open-mindedness differs from credulous open-mindedness in that the sceptic has effective mechanisms for assessing claims and rejecting those that are found wanting. It doesn't take a Queen expert to spot a bullshit. |
Day dop 30.12.2014 20:23 |
Aside from that, and once again - shifting the burden of proof onto Queen productions is a logical fallacy. |
Ale Solan 30.12.2014 20:42 |
You think you're right, you're not. I'm not right either. I think this woman is full of shit. I'm sceptical but time or "something" might prove us wrong. Or not. You're not credulous, me neither. |
winterspelt 30.12.2014 20:43 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: I like Queenzone's double standards here. Let's not act as hypocrits, because i don't see anyone defending the user gerry or rocknrollover when they are called not so pleasant names on this forum.The main difference is that this user was not rude until someone was rude to him/her while the other users you mention (and many others) are rude to anyone who disagree and question them. |
Mr.QueenFan 30.12.2014 20:55 |
winterspelt wrote:You don't think it's rude to come here and present this BS story using Freddie Mercury last days?Mr.QueenFan wrote: I like Queenzone's double standards here. Let's not act as hypocrits, because i don't see anyone defending the user gerry or rocknrollover when they are called not so pleasant names on this forum.The main difference is that this user was not rude until someone was rude to him/her while the other users you mention (and many others) are rude to anyone who disagree and question them. We are very different. The fact the the user never objectely offended anyone doesn't mean it wasn't offensive. Too bad this site doesn't have an Admin. to check the IP and compare it to other accounts here. |
Mr.QueenFan 30.12.2014 20:57 |
Ale Solan wrote: You think you're right, you're not. I'm not right either. I think this woman is full of shit. I'm sceptical but time or "something" might prove us wrong. Or not. You're not credulous, me neither.WTF Ale! You think this women is full of shit, and you turn against me for stating that?? |
Mr.QueenFan 30.12.2014 21:17 |
Another thing before i log-off: On page four of this thread the user Chrystal said: "It would appear at the time that Brian May and Roger Taylor were oblivious to the recording - so when DoRo delivered the rushes to the Queen Offices in late 1991 they were appalled not only that they were oblivious..." (...) "Now how do I know this? I worked closely with Rhys Thomas on the production of The Great Pretender documentary from 2011-2012. Rhys requested anything from DoRo from their vaults and duly the Don't Try So Hard video was supplied." Is there anything wrong with these sentences about the DoRo archives in 2011? I will let the experts here discuss it. ------------------------ And just in case the user says that the DoRo footage was in the Queen archives, then the person responsible for handling all the footage from the Queen archive to Rhys Thomas for the making of "Days of our lives" was Greg Brooks - source is episode 3 of the Official Queen Podcast. If my memory is correct he handled about 400 tapes to Rhys for the making of the documentary, and i'm not seeing Greg handling this video when it was not requested (because Rhys didn't know about it's existance). Happy 2015 for everybody here. |
Ale Solan 30.12.2014 21:36 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:I'm not turning against you. You should read again my post, buddy.Ale Solan wrote: You think you're right, you're not. I'm not right either. I think this woman is full of shit. I'm sceptical but time or "something" might prove us wrong. Or not. You're not credulous, me neither.WTF Ale! You think this women is full of shit, and you turn against me for stating that?? |
winterspelt 30.12.2014 22:35 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: You don't think it's rude to come here and present this BS story using Freddie Mercury last days? We are very different. The fact the the user never objectely offended anyone doesn't mean it wasn't offensive.100% agreed. Most of us dont believe his/her story or at least have considerable doubts about it. Being rude is (in my opinion) unnecessary. Of course this is just a personal opinion! |
Day dop 30.12.2014 22:46 |
Ale Solan wrote: You think you're right, you're not .Which part of the following wasn't right then? ".... which brings it back again to what I said earlier: The thing about open-mindedness is that sceptical open-mindedness differs from credulous open-mindedness in that the sceptic has effective mechanisms for assessing claims and rejecting those that are found wanting. It doesn't take a Queen expert to spot a bullshit. Aside from that, and once again - shifting the burden of proof onto Queen productions is a logical fallacy." |
Ale Solan 30.12.2014 23:05 |
Day dop wrote:Telling you're not right about something doesn't make you an ignorant. We're not Gods who know everything about anything. We're entitled to make mistakes, right?Ale Solan wrote: You think you're right, you're not .Which part of the following wasn't right then? ".... which brings it back again to what I said earlier: The thing about open-mindedness is that sceptical open-mindedness differs from credulous open-mindedness in that the sceptic has effective mechanisms for assessing claims and rejecting those that are found wanting. It doesn't take a Queen expert to spot a bullshit. Aside from that, and once again - shifting the burden of proof onto Queen productions is a logical fallacy." You think you're right about something. You think. You might not be. Or you might. Same applies to me. |
Ale Solan 30.12.2014 23:07 |
I hope you finally got my point ;) |
Day dop 30.12.2014 23:17 |
Ale Solan wrote:I don't see how that addresses what I've said above. A bullshit argument or claim is one that doesn't hold up under scrutiny. CrystalHead's claims don't. Therefore, CrystalHead's the one making mistakes in thinking that s/he can bullshit everyone here.Day dop wrote:Telling you're not right about something doesn't make you an ignorant. We're not Gods who knows everything about anything. We're entitled to make mistakes, right?Ale Solan wrote: You think you're right, you're not .Which part of the following wasn't right then? ".... which brings it back again to what I said earlier: The thing about open-mindedness is that sceptical open-mindedness differs from credulous open-mindedness in that the sceptic has effective mechanisms for assessing claims and rejecting those that are found wanting. It doesn't take a Queen expert to spot a bullshit. Aside from that, and once again - shifting the burden of proof onto Queen productions is a logical fallacy." That doesn't make me (or anyone else who sees it for what it is) wrong on this matter. |
CrystalHead 31.12.2014 02:31 |
Day dop just try and understand what ive been saying for the past few days - I have NOTHING to gain by making a story like that up. I genuinely thought it would be of interest to people on here and from the messages ive received it has been. Day dop - I haven't made any mistakes and im not trying to bullshit anyone - because the video I saw was real. Im sorry - but it was real. Now Day dop you have thrown a fair few insults my way over the last few days - don't be a hero ok? I know you prob think of yourself as "The Great Debunker" and it satisfies your ego to have your voice heard loudly whilst you shout "she is lying! she is a bullshitter!". In actual fact your coming across as a doubting Thomas. Could it be perhaps that deep down you recognize I would have nothing to gain by making the story up? Could it be perhaps that deep down something tells you that my story is real? Could it be that you really REALLY want to see the video for yourself? I think so Day dop. Theres no shame in admitting to any of those points ive just raised. Furthermore I wont be bullied by people like yourself and your friend who called me a sick fuck. And further to that I couldn't give a shit if you believe me or not. I know the video was real - that's all that matters to me. |
Vali 31.12.2014 02:42 |
damn it .. here I go ordering more Coke and Popcorn again. Extra large. |
miraclesteinway 31.12.2014 05:45 |
I just think this has gone too far now. This is a story that may be a complete fabrication, or it may be true. The fact is none of us know apart from CrystalHead, if there is any truth in this whatsoever. It's getting pretty sad to see the vitriol on here. If this story is true, thanks for that little snipped of information. We'll never get to see the video anyway. Welcome to the forum and I hope, from working within the Queen/Rhys Thomas camp, you can be a valuable poster here. If this story isn't true, well, you've had your fun now move along. There's really no need for anyone to get angry. |
Vocal harmony 31.12.2014 06:16 |
Sebastian wrote: But no, you shouldn't believe anything I write in here, either... or anyone else for that matter. There are no authorities when it comes to research.So why act like you're an authority on the subject in your reply to my coment. It was an honest mistake. Also how do you know, anymore than me what was going through JD's mind while writing what he wrote. Given that Dont Try So Hard is the only song mentioned in the same letter as video planning and a possible release time scale. I've offered one possibility of many, but as usual you're quick to dismiss anything you don't agree with and attempt to shoot the post and the person posting down in flames. In the next few months I may get a chance to ask someone who may actually know, until then I bow to your superior knowledge and position within QZ |
Day dop 31.12.2014 09:38 |
CrystalHead wrote: Day dop just try and understand what ive been saying for the past few days - I have NOTHING to gain by making a story like that up. I genuinely thought it would be of interest to people on here and from the messages ive received it has been. Day dop - I haven't made any mistakes and im not trying to bullshit anyone - because the video I saw was real. Im sorry - but it was real. Now Day dop you have thrown a fair few insults my way over the last few days - don't be a hero ok? I know you prob think of yourself as "The Great Debunker" and it satisfies your ego to have your voice heard loudly whilst you shout "she is lying! she is a bullshitter!". In actual fact your coming across as a doubting Thomas. Could it be perhaps that deep down you recognize I would have nothing to gain by making the story up? Could it be perhaps that deep down something tells you that my story is real? Could it be that you really REALLY want to see the video for yourself? I think so Day dop. Theres no shame in admitting to any of those points ive just raised. Furthermore I wont be bullied by people like yourself and your friend who called me a sick fuck. And further to that I couldn't give a shit if you believe me or not. I know the video was real - that's all that matters to me. "Furthermore I wont be bullied by people like yourself and your friend who called me a sick fuck."^ See the tactics used folks? Can anyone show me where on this thread it's been suggested that I am friends with Mr.QueenFan? Or any evidence of that anywhere on this forum? I think you'll find there's none. And really? you consider yourself to be bullied as I've said you're a bullshitter (which you've completely proved yourself to be btw) when your stories don't hold up at all? Which you wasn't able to address and continued to avoid? How the fuck did you survive in life up until now? Ah, but then, you're pretending to be upset. Of course. |
Day dop 31.12.2014 09:47 |
CrystalHead wrote: And further to that I couldn't give a shit if you believe me or not."^ Quit pretending to try and prove yourself to me then. Simple. CrystalHead wrote: "I haven't made any mistakes ^ If you're pretending to be genuine (which you are pretending to be) then you've made several. As this thread shows. Try to understand that every single time you repeat yourself about having nothing to gain, then it can easily be pointed out that no one has anything to gain from acting the way you are on the internet - but people like yourself still do, because it's the kind of behaviour that makes people like yourself tick. Here, have a read of this. http://www.livescience.com/48128-internet-trolls-sadistic-personalities.html You must be so proud. Who'd have thought it? A (wannabe) manipulator crying "bully" when seen for what you are. But you know the tactics to use, don't you CrystalHead? |
musicland munich 31.12.2014 11:53 |
We are moving in circles now !!! If there is nothing more than her/his word there is nothing to debate right now. If somethings come along that can be seen as evidence or circumstantial evidence...we are all ears... Happy New Year QZ ! |
Day dop 31.12.2014 11:56 |
CrystalHead wrote: Could it be perhaps that deep down something tells you that my story is real? Not in the slightest. But okay, I'll play along with one part of your story, that so far hasn't held up at all. Again... for the benefit of anyone who might think you're genuine, as you pretend you are. We looked at the credits of Great Pretender. No female name credited on sound mixing, which is what you previously said you worked on. No female names related between Bellamy's people/Great Pretender. We did what you suggested. We looked. And... nothing. Or, are you going to make some kind of excuse for lack of female name AFTER suggesting for us to go look? ... which it doesn't seem you really thought we'd do, along with remembering you said you worked on sound mixing. No more sidetracking, excuses, or avoiding this issue from you, please. |
CrystalHead 31.12.2014 13:24 |
Oh I don't know Day dop - do you think I may have told you I worked on sound mixing because I didn't want to reveal what my true occupation within the production was? |
BETA215 31.12.2014 14:19 |
CrystalHead wrote: Oh I don't know Day dop - do you think I may have told you I worked on sound mixing because I didn't want to reveal what my true occupation within the production was?Seriously? This is going to take a long time... |
Costa86 31.12.2014 17:08 |
CrystalHead wrote: Oh I don't know Day dop - do you think I may have told you I worked on sound mixing because I didn't want to reveal what my true occupation within the production was?Wow. I'm beginning to kick myself for actually debating the fact that this might be a genuine poster having possibly put forward a reasonable allegation of seeing an unknown "final" Freddie video. CrystalHead, you're either a lousy fake or a troll. Your credibility has been reduced to almost zero. I'm sorry. If you really saw this video, you should be quite disappointed with yourself for having handled this "revelation" so badly. But, then again, there's more chance that pigs will start to fly in 2015 than that you saw any video. It's 11:07pm here in the UK, and I'm getting ready to open my bubbly. Happy 2015 folks. I wish you a year full of the best of things. |
Day dop 31.12.2014 18:43 |
CrystalHead wrote: Oh I don't know Day dop - do you think I may have told you I worked on sound mixing because I didn't want to reveal what my true occupation within the production was?Weak. Consider yourself busted. |
Day dop 31.12.2014 18:43 |
And happy new year folks! :-) |
kdj2hot 31.12.2014 19:38 |
Sounds like a hoax. If Freddie filmed it and said he wanted it released then he should not have that decision overruled in death. I would love to see that |
pestgrid 31.12.2014 19:59 |
Looking all over this thread.....I think a MrQueen somebody or other has acted very nasty, as others have as well.....and from a standby point of view, baiting somebody to the point where you hope they (she) lash back by giving out crucial info or even proof is plain bullying......Others behind me are badgering to say something and looking at this in disgust at the way people are treated on here that come on here for the first time and are treated this way..This is a site for memorial of freddie and rejoice in Queen, who by the way just finished an outstanding set in front of a few thousand, great to hear them....If you dont believe it, dont read it or buy into it.....leave it alone....dont bother with it.....I have been collecting Queen ever since freddie died and I have even come across hard drives of stuff, there will always be something that is hidden.... |
Mr.QueenFan 31.12.2014 20:01 |
kdj2hot wrote: Sounds like a hoax. If Freddie filmed it and said he wanted it released then he should not have that decision overruled in death. I would love to see thatFinally, more people are starting to really think about this. This is short and sweet! That's what people refuse to understand. If Freddie recorded a video for this song, there would not be a reason on this earth to destroy it or to not show it to his fans. It was his art, and he knew how he looked at the time - i think mirrors were avaiable in 1991. But as i said, people are more interested in the fairytales than to think for themselves. But i think it's clear now that the user was busted! I wish a great 2015 for everyone! |
musicland munich 01.01.2015 01:47 |
Yes, for now there is nothing to debate about "ChrystalHeads" post on Page 4 and her following posts either. But that brings us back to Mr. Dolezal and his statement. Keep in mind he had given that interview more or less exactly four years after Freddie's death...a disremembering would be ridiculous after they've telling the TADOOL story over and over again all these years. And then there is the ad for COTW on Page 2 wich also mentioned a final interview short before his death. A) The DORO's fucked it up for PR reasons/ making money and who knows who's also involved in that stunt ( Greetings to QP / Happy New Year ) B) Yes, they 've filmed "something" in Montreux with Freddie on board after or around TADOOL wich could explain his statement. And one thing I like to add here. the heavy users may have noticed that people around Queen frequenting this forum...simple two lines about that story from one of them and the whole thing is busted ! But till now no one of them did participate... |
Day dop 01.01.2015 01:56 |
"But till now no one of them did participate..." You're not talking and Mr.QueenFan and myself there are you? |
musicland munich 01.01.2015 02:25 |
^You've recieved a PM... And who the hell shared the link on queenonline.com ??? |
Day dop 01.01.2015 04:09 |
PM received. About your question here: certainly not me. |
Mr.QueenFan 01.01.2015 08:40 |
musicland munich wrote: B) Yes, they 've filmed "something" in Montreux with Freddie on board after or around TADOOL wich could explain his statement.As i said earlier, i don't dispute the fact that Fredie was recorded. I wasn't there! But if people are going to make things up, they have to be good at it, and in this case there were too many flaws to the story. And one thing I like to add here. the heavy users may have noticed that people around Queen frequenting this forum...simple two lines about that story from one of them and the whole thing is busted ! But till now no one of them did participate...The only problem with this is i personally believe that ChrystalHead IS someone from QP taking the piss. That's why i called him a sick fuck, and that's why i asked the Admin. of this forum to check the IP from this account to see if it is the same as the ones who we know post here from time to time. Too bad the owner of this site doesn't care anymore. If it is one of the QP team who post here from time to time, this should be reported to Queen's management. |
Sebastian 01.01.2015 10:27 |
Vocal harmony wrote: So why act like you're an authority on the subject in your reply to my coment.I did not act like an authority and I am not an authority. Vocal harmony wrote: It was an honest mistake.Fair enough, there really is nothing to add then. Vocal harmony wrote: Also how do you know, anymore than me what was going through JD's mind while writing what he wrote.I am not claiming to know that and I do not know that but, again, it is not about mind-reading as much as it is about text-reading: he mentioned a song, then on a whole separate point he mention they would have a single. That does not mean at all that the song he had mentioned would be the single. Look: * I went to the museum this morning. I enjoyed it. I ate fruit salad. I printed something. * In writing that, I am mentioning four actions, two of which are directly related, the others are not. By saying that I had eaten fuit salad, I did not mean or imply at all that the fruit salad I had eaten had been bought in the museum or that what I printed had something to do with either the fruit salad or the museum. As a matter of fact, the fruit salad I ate was not anywhere near the museum and what I printed had nothing to do with either. Likewise, by John mentioning a song, then later on mentioning a single, that does not mean at all that the song he had named earlier would be the single. It does not constitute serious evidence at all. Vocal harmony wrote: I've offered one possibility of manyExactly, but you are not backing it up with anything that could constitute serious evidence. Vocal harmony wrote: but as usual you're quick to dismiss anything you don't agree withI did dismiss it but is not something I do usually, if we compare the amount of times I have dismissed information against the amount of times I have not dismissed it, regardless of whether I agree with it or not. Vocal harmony wrote: and attempt to shoot the post and the person posting down in flames.I have nothing against you, but I did dismiss that letter as being in any way a strong argument in favour of the alleged case of that song having ever been intended for a single, let alone the lead single, and I would gladly do it again. Should there be anything serious suggesting any song on those sessions - The Hitman, for instance, or even Delilah - had been at some point the frontrunner for lead single, I will be happy to believe it, but until then, the only information we have, backed up by serious evidence, is that they chose Innuendo and that was it. Vocal harmony wrote: I bow to your superior knowledge and position within QZI have no superior knowledge and there are no positions within Queen Zone. Systematic research is an area where there are no authorities, and QZ is, fortunately, not based on any hierarchy. |
LucasDiego 01.01.2015 12:16 |
The only fact is: true or not this story, we will never know really! |
Sebastian 01.01.2015 18:44 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: But as i said, people are more interested in the fairytales than to think for themselves."Fairy tales of yesterday will grow but never die!" indeed. |
matt z 01.01.2015 19:58 |
Jesus screaming cats in heat! Doesn't this place EVER let up on the hostilities? Someone comes with possible* information alleging tosubstantiate a rumor (even if it's false) and y'all go running for the steaming piles of hatred. All these posts seem to get sidetracked with poster's hostilities. Much worse it never lends anything to the discussion. Fucking aaay. . Someone shoot those screaming cats, I'm trying to get some goddamned sleep! !! ;) Please. Be civil. |
Day dop 01.01.2015 20:18 |
And there was me hoping this thread would finally trail off into the depths of Queenzone's archives.... |
ptr 02.01.2015 05:47 |
I dont believe the story at all, but recently I was at the special charity gig for organisation which helps against HIV/AIDS illness. Peter Freestone described Freddie's story - it was maybe a bit too much in detail for me.... but one thing confused me. He was pretty much precise in timeline (the dates were pretty much precise as I always heard them and not suprising), but one date suprised me very much and it even differs from what he wrote on blogsite! He said that last recording and filming ever done with Freddie happened in August 1991... not May 91. Maybe that it was just a mistake. Maybe Freddie did some vocals in August 91 - and they werent used? It was very strange but my opinion is that it was just one small mistake. |
CPL593h 02.01.2015 06:16 |
Is that me or has the user known as CrystalHead vanished from the board? link If so, that's one more proof (as if we needed them) that he/she/it was just a troll. |
Ale Solan 02.01.2015 08:45 |
CPL593h wrote: Is that me or has the user known as CrystalHead vanished from the board? link If so, that's one more proof (as if we needed them) that he/she/it was just a troll.That proves nothing at all. Just a website error, It happens with lotta users/accounts in here. A user cannot delete its own account. |
Day dop 02.01.2015 09:00 |
CPL593h wrote: Is that me or has the user known as CrystalHead vanished from the board? http://www.queenzone.com/errors/404.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/profile/crystalhead.aspx If so, that's one more proof (as if we needed them) that he/she/it was just a troll. Does anyone really need any more proof that it was a troll anyway? |
Gregsynth 02.01.2015 09:06 |
The user vanished. The post count/ranking underneath the name has gone. |
Costa86 02.01.2015 09:55 |
Regarding the "Page not Found" for CrystalHead, this is indeed, as Ale said, a website error. It happens with my username too, for instance - http://www.queenzone.com/errors/404.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/profile/costa86.aspx - and I'm still here (AFAIK - I may be Going Slightly Mad). But since the post count for CrystalHead (normally visible on every post the user has made in the past) has also disappeared, it does seem that this user no longer exists. Since (again, AFAIK) a user cannot delete his/her own profile, this begs the question who deleted the profile. If it was as admin, why was it deleted? Could it be that they realised (or someone pointed their attention to the possibility) that this user's IP belonged to some other user - i.e. CrystalHead was a CERTIFIABLE phony? |
Costa86 02.01.2015 10:05 |
How likely would it be that a caring "mum" would be such an avid drinker of Crystal Head vodka that they'd create a username with that name? link |
Holly2003 02.01.2015 10:10 |
This needs to be dissected endlessly and debated angrily: if there is a video of Fred dying of Aids while miming a 2nd rate song we all already have, then we demand to see it now! :( |
Costa86 02.01.2015 10:15 |
Holly2003 wrote: This needs to be dissected endlessly and debated angrily: if there is a video of Fred dying of Aids while miming a 2nd rate song we all already have, then we demand to see it now! :(You can always trust a woman to inject some sanity into men's morbid obsessions. Somehow this further proves that it is logically unlikely that CrystalHead was a woman in the first place. |
cmsdrums 02.01.2015 11:35 |
Costa86 wrote: Regarding the "Page not Found" for CrystalHead, this is indeed, as Ale said, a website error. It happens with my username too, for instance - http://www.queenzone.com/errors/404.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/profile/costa86.aspx - and I'm still here (AFAIK - I may be Going Slightly Mad). But since the post count for CrystalHead (normally visible on every post the user has made in the past) has also disappeared, it does seem that this user no longer exists. Since (again, AFAIK) a user cannot delete his/her own profile, this begs the question who deleted the profile. If it was as admin, why was it deleted? Could it be that they realised (or someone pointed their attention to the possibility) that this user's IP belonged to some other user - i.e. CrystalHead was a CERTIFIABLE phony?Just to play 'Devil's Advocate', but they may have been deleted at the request of QPL because the story is genuine?." They have interjected before when the Bo Rhap multitracks were leaked. I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve the story, but in my experience the hoaxers generally milk their 'joke' as much as possible, post far more ever ridiculous nonsense, and hang around to see the following fuss caused. |
Day dop 02.01.2015 12:06 |
Maybe the person behind the CrystalHead account was Brian May, trying to tell us about it in hope that we'd push for it to be released, therefore getting Queen in the headlines again. It wouldn't be the first time Brian has used the internet! Who knows?!? |
miraclesteinway 02.01.2015 12:35 |
Brian May LOL, I doubt it. Nah, it was probably John. |
CPL593h 02.01.2015 12:51 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Brian May LOL, I doubt it. Nah, it was probably John.John? I highly doubt it. That's typical Freddie. |
matt z 02.01.2015 13:41 |
Crystal head Crystal ball.... Crystal bald. ... IT WAS SPIKE EDNEY! and btw: to THIS fan DTSH is far from a second rate song. Damn near everything on that album is great. Excepting a kinda thin mix |
Mr.QueenFan 02.01.2015 13:54 |
cmsdrums wrote: Just to play 'Devil's Advocate', but they may have been deleted at the request of QPL because the story is genuine?." They have interjected before when the Bo Rhap multitracks were leaked. .C'mon man! I know we all want to believe that Freddie did worked untill the end, but let's not be naíve and perpetuate myths. Even after everything i pointed out, and the fact that the user got the fuck out of here, i can't believe that people are still finding excuses to keep this charade alive. The only fact here is that ChrystalHead made some of you look like fools, and even when me, and others called things by their names, we were the ones being questioned. I think this is sad, because i was being honest in my approach and now it is clearly what happened. No more excuses, please. But hey, if you guys are willing to be bullshitted in your life, then by all means ... be happy at it! |
cmsdrums 02.01.2015 15:39 |
As I said, I was playing 'Devil's Advocate'....and in all my other posts in this thread I've not declared that I believe it, so don't consider myself "bullshitted"! |
miraclesteinway 02.01.2015 17:09 |
In all likelihood the story probably isn't true, and if it was true, there would probably be something about it in Jim Hutton's book (which I haven't read so I don't know), because he was never afraid to blurt out things. Since Jim says that the last time Freddie appeared in front of the stills camera for him was in May 1991, it's hugely unlikely that he would have wanted to appear on video after this day. By the way, I haven't read the book by Jim, but I do know about that photo and the story behind it, the photo of Freddie in the garden I mean. It's actually a nice photo although, he looks happy, but of course, underweight. The only thing that I can't personally understand is, why would someone come on here and start making this stuff up? I know, I know that people do things for shits and giggles, attention seeking when their life is quite mundane, etc, but I simply can't get my head around someone wanting to bother wasting time in writing stuff that isn't true. It makes no difference to us, the end users in this forum, whether the story is true or not. It's simply not important. For all we know, there could be a video out there that CrystalHead hasn't seen and doesn't know about, that exists in a vault.... but probably not. On a side note, I'm quite surprised by just how much has been released, how much stuff hasn't been deleted. I'm talking specifically about out takes, video rushes, studio out takes and stuff that was never going to make the final cut of an album or a video, and yet it remained in the can, and surfaced many years later. The most likely story in this particular case is that DoRo spoke to Freddie about work on certain projects, and perhaps some of that conversation took place in the Duck House. Perhaps then, later, they filmed the Duck House, and somehow things have been lost in translation. Perhaps an unscrupulous editor just said there was a video filmed in the Duck House. Look, think how many stories there are of the 'Last vocal', or who was at his bedside at the end, or whatever. These things tend to be misremembered, in some cases on purpose, and varying accounts of stories are circulated. |
Neo91 03.01.2015 17:10 |
Is it possible simply to ask DoRo if they made it or not? |
CrystalHead 03.01.2015 18:31 |
Im still here just haven't got anything to say. Apart from this obviously. Im telling you, Ian Levine/Dave Clark is your best bet for confirmation. |
edd 03.01.2015 19:00 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:CrystalHead wrote: But to the person who called me a sick fuck - I'm presuming it was a man - I would seriously consider addressing your own personality traits before slinging mud like that. Everyone who reads your post will see it is full to the brim with bitterness and this has nothing to do with you trying to be a hero and call out someone who you presume is lying about a video. This is because you are jealous and frustrated on some level that YOU weren't the one to have seen the video/and or be able to report on it - whether you believe the video exists or not. You are probably terrified that it does exist because someone other than yourself has seen it and your self loathing has batted you down further. I've been involved in the Television and Film Industry for 20 years - that is a long time for a woman to exist in a cut throat environment such as that - and I've come across endless chauvinistic bullies like yourself. You really shouldn't use the word "Fuck" because it is plainly obvious you will never find anyone - woman or man who would let you do that to them you Sick Fuck.You are wrong, again! The reason you are logging of is because there's nothing to keep your bullshit story alive. You are full of shit! To say that Queen and Jim Beach threatened to take out the permission to use their music in the "Days of our lives" documentary only proves my point. The documentary is QP's, it was not comissioned outside QP, so that means that Roger, Brian and Jim have the final word about what stays in it. It's not up to Rhys or any other editor to include things against their wishes. And this means that they didn't need to threaten to remove their music from their own documentary. You're not even a women, so stop pretending. You think like a man :-) Really dude, you think girls give their momies CD's? Ha, ha - Queen Forever of all the Cd's? :-) You're too easy to spot! The only thing i would like to see getting donne, is for the owner of this site to compare your IP adress with the ones by the QP members that post in this forum. Just to make sure that you're not from their own team. Because if you are from QP team you should be reported to them and get your ass fired. You take Freddie's illness and come here making fun of Queen fans. Sad! I'm not interested in what you have to say anymore, but i do like the fact that you refer to me as "Sick Fuck" in capital letters. It shows respect! The story of Crystalhead true or not? Nevertheless, Mr.QueenFan: you can criticise a person and still remain polite. You should be thrown from this forum. |
Bohardy 04.01.2015 15:07 |
CrystalHead wrote: Im still here just haven't got anything to say. Apart from this obviously. Im telling you, Ian Levine/Dave Clark is your best bet for confirmation.You know what? I think I belive you CrystalHead. Not totally totally, but if I had to put money on it, I'd go with that you're telling (mostly) the truth. Even if you're not, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to care or, even worse, hurl abuse at you as others have done. Who gives a shit if some anonymous person on an internet forum wants to make up fantasies that have literally zero bearing on our own personal lives? Not I. But, for what it's worth, if I had to put my neck on the line, I'd say you're essentially telling the truth. |
ludwigs 04.01.2015 15:32 |
edd wrote: Nevertheless, Mr.QueenFan: you can criticise a person and still remain polite. You should be thrown from this forum.Seems this small obsessive, selfish dip-shit has some history? And some issues that they feel they are owed? |
Bohardy 04.01.2015 15:54 |
It's also interesting to note - and I don't think I've seen it noted elsewhere, although I haven't searched the whole thread - that 'antiden' on page 1 of this post said he'd heard the exact same thing CrystalHead had on a Russian forum many years ago. Of course, that might be where CH got her story from. But, even if she did, unless Antiden is lying, there are at least two separate and seemingly independent claims for the existence of this video: the Dolezal's, and the one that popped up on the Russian forum that Antiden references. That we may now have a third person independently vouching for the claims, who very confidently asserts that her story can be corroborated by at least two other people that someone on here could probably fairly easily contact, is very interesting to say the least. Surely the best course of action here is to remain civil to CH and to try to contact Dave Clarke or Ian Levine? |
ludwigs 04.01.2015 16:06 |
Bohardy wrote: It's also interesting to note - and I don't think I've seen it noted elsewhere, although I haven't searched the whole thread - that 'antiden' on page 1 of this post said he'd heard the exact same thing CrystalHead had on a Russian forum many years ago. Of course, that might be where CH got her story from. But, even if she did, unless Antiden is lying, there are at least two separate and seemingly independent claims for the existence of this video: the Dolezal's, and the one that popped up on the Russian forum that Antiden references. That we may now have a third person independently vouching for the claims, who very confidently asserts that her story can be corroborated by at least two other people that someone on here could probably fairly easily contact, is very interesting to say the least. Surely the best course of action here is to remain civil to CH and to try to contact Dave Clarke or Ian Levine?Civility is INDEED a very easy trait to stick with! Nobody gets anywhere with abuse and demands. We are,after all, owed nothing. Maybe our insatiable greed makes some resort to these factors - in some cases? Thankfully there are some that don't fall into the demand category and can sit back and see things through clear mindset. I'll wait and see. |
musicland munich 04.01.2015 16:17 |
Mr. Levine is recovering from a stroke and Dave Clark had been very protective in the past when it comes to anything new or unrevealed about Freddie. But I do agree, if someone can point them( maybe the Doro's too) to the subject it would be very interesting what these guys have to say about it. |
coley7t 04.01.2015 16:51 |
Hi.. Just to let everyone know, i have Just emailed Rudi at doro productions asking about this video. I have no idea if I'll get a reply, but if i do (and have Rudis permission) I'll update you all. Cheers. |
Mr.QueenFan 04.01.2015 19:52 |
edit Queenzone is messing my replies, maybe i will try tomorrow. |
Day dop 05.01.2015 00:37 |
How anyone can be that credulous I don't know... |
Day dop 05.01.2015 00:38 |
This thread with CrystalHead reminds me of this video on repeat.... |
Costa86 05.01.2015 03:50 |
This thread is just going round in circles. There is no video, and even if there were, nobody would admit to it, and even if they did, none of us would ever see it, and even if we did, it would add nothing to our experience of Queen. So eff it. I mean, really - I'm not sure if you know how end-state AIDS patients looked like in the 80s and early 90s, but they looked like living skeletons. Do you think Freddie would want to make a video for his fans in that state? And who would even want to see him like that? It would be disturbing. |
cmsdrums 05.01.2015 07:46 |
I have contacted Ian Levine regarding this - I have followed him on Twitter for several years and I hope that he will respond, but clearly he may completely ignore me. |
miraclesteinway 05.01.2015 12:09 |
Yes, I have seen pictures of end-stage patients in that period of time. No, I don't want to think of Freddie looking like that, and I don't think he would really want anyone remembering him like that, unless he had some very good reason in his own mind. I think he would have wanted, in all honesty, to protect his family and friends from having to revisit these images time and again, both in their minds and on screen. He was well aware of who he was and how the press treated him, and I think he had a fair idea that 25 years after his death people would still remember him, and I think he would hope that they remember the powerful performer, great artist and musician, and that his friends would remember him as a warm hearted friend. |
Ale Solan 05.01.2015 17:38 |
Costa86 wrote: Do you think Freddie would want to make a video for his fans in that state? And who would even want to see him like that? It would be disturbing.link |
Costa86 06.01.2015 03:58 |
Ale Solan wrote:Yes ok, but that was in May. Can you imagine how worse he'd be feeling 5 months down the line, and only a month or so before his passing? I don't think he'd want that on tape.Costa86 wrote: Do you think Freddie would want to make a video for his fans in that state? And who would even want to see him like that? It would be disturbing.link |
NickGreen 06.01.2015 04:50 |
Fascinating thread and i understand peoples curiosity, unfortunately i have experience with someone in this state and what people don't understand i think is how shocking and upsetting someone this ill looks like, effectively a skeleton..The screenshot of those are the days would probably not reflect the deterioration, he probably wouldn't look much like freddie, if you're caring for someone you see it day to day you kinda are used to it somewhat, but suddenly seeing someone 5 months later from an already horrible state would, for most normal people be very disturbing..its horrible to think about, i just wanted to say this to balance things away from the voyeuristic desire to see more stuff of a ill human being, someone i think that was about life and not really all this. so as interesting as the topic is, and other photos/videos may indeed exist, apart from a normal human curiosity which we all have, i kinda hope they don't exist. |
tomchristie22 06.01.2015 07:19 |
^I'm with Nick here 100%. Usually any new material is invaluable, but Freddie deteriorated in a near death state is one kind of thing that shouldn't be seen. Nor can I understand why anyone would truly want to see it, especially people who claim at the same time to love him. |
VfLDOTL 06.01.2015 10:24 |
Anything new on that one? |
Mr.QueenFan 06.01.2015 10:26 |
Ale Solan wrote:I don't think it's fair to post this pic as an answer, because as far as i know Freddie only okayed the black-and-white version of the video. The color footage of him was released in documentaries over the years.Costa86 wrote: Do you think Freddie would want to make a video for his fans in that state? And who would even want to see him like that? It would be disturbing.link Not that it makes a HUGE difference, but there is one, at least from Freddie's perspective, of hidding at the time his condition as much as it was possible. |
Queenman!! 06.01.2015 11:25 |
CRYSTALHEAD = CRYSTAL METH ... hahaha That drug f..cks up your brain really good. |
Ale Solan 06.01.2015 11:59 |
Costa86 wrote:Could be 5 months, could be 3 (August) plus in Jim Hutton's book you have a pic of Freddie from September (if Jim's not wrong which I hardly doubt in this case) and Fred looked kind of the same as in TATTOOL...Ale Solan wrote:Yes ok, but that was in May. Can you imagine how worse he'd be feeling 5 months down the line, and only a month or so before his passing? I don't think he'd want that on tape.Costa86 wrote: Do you think Freddie would want to make a video for his fans in that state? And who would even want to see him like that? It would be disturbing. If Fred's video mentioned by Crystalhead is real, then Fred wanted to be seen in that state, after all, he looked really sick in TATTOOL right? |
musicland munich 06.01.2015 12:02 |
Just a reminder please do not mix the different story into one !!! a) the TADOOL Video was on May 30 in London ! b) CrystalHeads date( October) isn't for debate because there is nothing for debate till that user providing some kind of evidence ! c) There is no date for the possible filming that the DoRo's mentioned ! d) Of course it's possible that the DoRo's were trying to sell a 1984 Munich Video /Audio mix as his last..well in that case they are in need of professional help---them and e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e who was involved in COTW !. |
Ale Solan 06.01.2015 12:06 |
musicland munich wrote: Just a reminder please do not mix the different story into one !!! a) the TADOOL Video was on May 30 in London ! b) CrystalHeads date( October) isn't for debate because there is nothing for debate till that user providing some kind of evidence ! c) There is no date for the possible filming that the DoRo's mentioned ! d) Of course it's possible that the DoRo's were trying to sell a 1984 Munich Video /Audio mix as his last..well in that case they are in need of professional help---them and e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e who was involved in COTW !.I know TATDOOL it was filmed on May 30. I think in September / October he'd looked much worse but still willing to be seen on a screen, who effing knows... about the d) point... you're right, the DoRo's are morons. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 22.01.2015 14:00 |
Myth busted this is a hoax and not true! |
Ozz 22.01.2015 14:41 |
Costa86 wrote: Someone made up John Titor - if people can make THAT up, they sure as hell can make up a Freddie Mercury last video story and make it sound believable. |
Ozz 22.01.2015 14:42 |
Costa86 wrote: Someone made up John Titor - if people can make THAT up, they sure as hell can make up a Freddie Mercury last video story and make it sound believable.This is our John Titor. Our own QZ Copypasta. The funniest thing is that I had like 13 years when Innuendo was on TV. And I remember the first time I saw the video of TATDOOL : My nephew was watching cartoons, and I began to surf channels, then I notice there's this Queen video on, and my nephew starts crying loudly, so sadly I have to put it back to the cartoon channel. Now the weird part: I remember that the song wasnt TATDOOL but Don't Try So Hard (I had the cassette back then), however the images I know now were from TATDOOL. That memory feels creepy now with this made up story. But the whole "The Fairy Feller Master Stroke" hoarding make us believe now in almost anything. (I have the theory that TFFMS wasn't really played on the rainbow, but its a doctored song from a tape of some rehearsal that QP put out there). |
Neo91 23.01.2015 13:23 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Myth busted this is a hoax and not true!Where do you know this from? |
Martin Packer 23.01.2015 17:43 |
I actually feel positive about that photo, despite it showing him looking dreadfully thin and ill. Something about his stance and expression. |
Neo91 10.02.2015 10:50 |
Sorry for posting in this thread again, but are there any news about this? Some ppl here wanted to contact DoRo? |
Mrmarioanonym 10.02.2015 13:18 |
You're not alone about "Fairy Feller": I suspect the very same thing. It just doesn't sound "live". It sounds like either a heavily doctored alternate take or a heavily doctored rehearsal take. |
hachiman 12.02.2015 13:02 |
Even if it did exist and it somehow was released, would you want to see it or not? And what are the chances of it existing? 0%? 10%? |
hachiman 12.02.2015 13:04 |
Even if it did exist and would be released, would you want to watch it or not? Also, what are the chances of it being real? 0%? 10%? *My apologies for the double post. Nothing seemed to happen when I posted it the first time.* :/ |
RafaelS 14.02.2015 16:31 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:I don't think the Duckhouse video exists but why Freddie allowed DoRo to film him while shooting scenes and during breaks between scenes? DoRo never released the behind the scenes stuff of TATDOOL as a whole and the complete interviews with Roger/John/Brian on the set of the video. Don't know why.Ale Solan wrote:I don't think it's fair to post this pic as an answer, because as far as i know Freddie only okayed the black-and-white version of the video. The color footage of him was released in documentaries over the years. Not that it makes a HUGE difference, but there is one, at least from Freddie's perspective, of hidding at the time his condition as much as it was possible.Costa86 wrote: Do you think Freddie would want to make a video for his fans in that state? And who would even want to see him like that? It would be disturbing.link |
RafaelS 14.02.2015 16:43 |
Kacio wrote: Everything is possible...If everything was possible I would have slept with 2 million women, be billionnaire, have all the Queen stuff (DoRo stuff, archives, etc) that I want and that is available out there (also those great porn VHS classics from Magma) and buy shares into Ferrari, bring back the Quebec Nordiques in the NHL (Canadians here will understand that last one) and finally be able to go back with my ex-girlfriend. So no, everything is not possible. |
miraclesteinway 16.02.2015 06:07 |
I think we can safely assume this thread is dead. Honestly, if it was filmed and it was a GOOD VIDEO then there'd be no reason not to see it, but it is highly likely it wasn't filmed, and it is even more likely that CrystalHeads made up her/his story about Freddie in a Kimono in the Duck House. It was a very detailed account - but think about it, we know Freddie had a beard, we know Freddie had a Kimono, we know Freddie had a Duck House, and we know Freddie was in Switzerland in Autumn of 1991 - his mother confirms that he was there in October '91, because he missed her birthday that year and sent flowers and an apology, and he hoped to make it up to her, but she knew he was too ill. We also know that Don't Try So Hard was considered as a single. With all of these pieces of information, it's not that difficult to construct a story about how DoRo went to film Freddie in the duck house in october 1991 and he was wearing a red kimono..... in fact because it can't possibly be disproven until an official from Queen or DoRo speaks out and confirms or denies it, it's quite a compelling little smoke bomb to throw into the forum. I'm quite certain that Freddie would not allow himself to be filmed after Days of Our Lives, and he wouldn't allow Jim Hutton to take a personal photograph of him after May 1991. Now, if he wouldn't allow a STILL picture to be taken after May 1991, I think it's safe to assume he wouldn't want a film taken after that time. Since there is no moderator to shut down this thread, it's fine if we want to talk about this particular video, but I think it doesn't exist, it probably never existed and even if it did, it would have been deleted by now. There's really very little point in talking about it. There's no more from Freddie that we will ever see. |
Neo91 16.02.2015 07:58 |
Aren't there photos of Freddie in June '91 (Jim Huttons book)? I always had the feeling, Freddie didn't have a problem with getting filmed and that stuff. |
RafaelS 16.02.2015 08:28 |
Neo91 wrote: Aren't there photos of Freddie in June '91 (Jim Huttons book)? I always had the feeling, Freddie didn't have a problem with getting filmed and that stuff.Yes, but when Jim took those pictures, Freddie asked him not to come too near to take the pictures. |
Costa86 16.02.2015 15:17 |
miraclesteinway wrote: I think we can safely assume this thread is dead. Honestly, if it was filmed and it was a GOOD VIDEO then there'd be no reason not to see it, but it is highly likely it wasn't filmed, and it is even more likely that CrystalHeads made up her/his story about Freddie in a Kimono in the Duck House. It was a very detailed account - but think about it, we know Freddie had a beard, we know Freddie had a Kimono, we know Freddie had a Duck House, and we know Freddie was in Switzerland in Autumn of 1991 - his mother confirms that he was there in October '91, because he missed her birthday that year and sent flowers and an apology, and he hoped to make it up to her, but she knew he was too ill. We also know that Don't Try So Hard was considered as a single. With all of these pieces of information, it's not that difficult to construct a story about how DoRo went to film Freddie in the duck house in october 1991 and he was wearing a red kimono..... in fact because it can't possibly be disproven until an official from Queen or DoRo speaks out and confirms or denies it, it's quite a compelling little smoke bomb to throw into the forum. I'm quite certain that Freddie would not allow himself to be filmed after Days of Our Lives, and he wouldn't allow Jim Hutton to take a personal photograph of him after May 1991. Now, if he wouldn't allow a STILL picture to be taken after May 1991, I think it's safe to assume he wouldn't want a film taken after that time. Since there is no moderator to shut down this thread, it's fine if we want to talk about this particular video, but I think it doesn't exist, it probably never existed and even if it did, it would have been deleted by now. There's really very little point in talking about it. There's no more from Freddie that we will ever see.Good post, and clear, logical, reasoning. |
Ale Solan 16.02.2015 15:34 |
Costa86 wrote:linkmiraclesteinway wrote: I'm quite certain that Freddie would not allow himself to be filmed after Days of Our Lives, and he wouldn't allow Jim Hutton to take a personal photograph of him after May 1991. Now, if he wouldn't allow a STILL picture to be taken after May 1991, I think it's safe to assume he wouldn't want a film taken after that time.Good post, and clear, logical, reasoning. From Jim Hutton's book, taken in September 1991, not too near but still Fred allowed this pic. |
miraclesteinway 18.02.2015 14:04 |
I thought that picture was from summer 1991 or may 1991. Sorry if I got that wrong. You know, unless someone told you, you wouldn't immediately see that as a picture of Freddie. you'd se sit as some guy in a garden with his cat, but recognising it as Freddie? It takes a little while. |
Oscar J 19.02.2015 07:57 |
I think he's pretty much instantly recognisable. He doesn't look too bad here. |
BradMay 19.02.2015 10:05 |
If you know how Freddie looked during Barcelona you would recognize him, BUT if you only know him from Wembley and Budapest and stuff like that you wouldn't know that it was Freddie... |
Costa86 20.02.2015 06:58 |
That photo always makes me really depressed and miserable. |
Nitroboy 20.02.2015 09:42 |
Oscar J wrote: I think he's pretty much instantly recognisable. He doesn't look too bad here. You'd change your mind if you saw a larger version with better quality. |
Chief Mouse 20.02.2015 14:10 |
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y418/MouseRapist/freddie-mercury-last-photomerge_zpsa4ca2767.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo freddie-mercury-last-photomerge_zpsa4ca2767.jpg"/> |
Costa86 20.02.2015 15:26 |
Chief Mouse wrote: http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y418/MouseRapist/freddie-mercury-last-photomerge_zpsa4ca2767.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo freddie-mercury-last-photomerge_zpsa4ca2767.jpg"/>In the second one, where he's squatting, you can still see that magic sparkle in his eyes. |
Ale Solan 20.02.2015 18:56 |
Costa86 wrote:You know, I can picture him making a video in this state...Chief Mouse wrote: http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y418/MouseRapist/freddie-mercury-last-photomerge_zpsa4ca2767.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo freddie-mercury-last-photomerge_zpsa4ca2767.jpg"/>In the second one, where he's squatting, you can still see that magic sparkle in his eyes. |
Biggus Dickus 21.02.2015 08:58 |
Ale Solan wrote:I've got Jim Hutton's book and it clearly says that picture in the garden is from spring of 1991, not September.Costa86 wrote:link From Jim Hutton's book, taken in September 1991, not too near but still Fred allowed this pic.miraclesteinway wrote: I'm quite certain that Freddie would not allow himself to be filmed after Days of Our Lives, and he wouldn't allow Jim Hutton to take a personal photograph of him after May 1991. Now, if he wouldn't allow a STILL picture to be taken after May 1991, I think it's safe to assume he wouldn't want a film taken after that time.Good post, and clear, logical, reasoning. |
Ale Solan 21.02.2015 12:18 |
I have to check my spanish book again, it may have the date wrong, mistranslation or my own mistake. |
Ale Solan 21.02.2015 12:24 |
Ale Solan wrote: I have to check my spanish book again, it may have the date wrong, mistranslation or my own mistake.edit: just checked, and yes, it was spring, my mistake. |
hachiman 06.03.2015 15:19 |
If it does exist then Roger and Brian are probably not letting us know that because they might think that if they said "It does exist but we're not releasing it out of respect, fans and whatnot would probably just put them under pressure to release it and they don't want that since they don't it released to respect Freddie's memory so it'd be easier for them if they lied that it wasn't filmed and just stupid rumour. This is just a guess though so you don't have to agree. :) |
luthorn 06.03.2015 21:26 |
If Freddie wanted something to be released after his death, it would most likely be carried out by his attorney or the person who was the executor of his will. Given nothing came to light, it means Freddie did not want to have it released after all, even if he filmed it with that intention in mind. |
hachiman 07.03.2015 06:04 |
So he could've changed his mind about releasing it after filming it? |
miraclesteinway 07.03.2015 10:49 |
I'm writing from the point of view that this subject has been covered and put to bed, and that the video doesn't exist - and while that doesn't close my mind entirely to possibility, I think we can all safely assume that there is no video and that the stories are confused translations of interviews plus one forum member attention seeking on this thread. OK but luthorn mentions something here about his executor making sure it was released. Well, the chances are that IF such video exists, then it is owned by Queen productions, and that Roger and Brian would almost certainly veto it, and have the power to do so. They also have the right and the power to erase it should it have been there in the first place, and it's also possible that it was recorded, Freddie saw it after and though, screw that (which is basically what luthorn has suggested). We will most likely never see a video with Freddie that was shot in September or October 1991 at the Duckhouse. Whether filming happened or not. There was a story in the Daily Mail or the Daily Mirror that mentions a final video with Freddie singing on it, filmed two weeks before he died, in which he talks about his AIDS fight, and wants to spread awareness of the disease. This was simply sensationalist journalism made up to sell the paper. I am certain that nobody in the Queen camp, least of all Freddie himself, nor anyone in Garden Lodge, nor Mary, would have gone to the Daily Mirror or Mail and said that such video exists. The only video that had yet to be screened entirely after Freddie's death was Days of Our Lives and I think even then it was screened in the US before, and bits of it were on greatest flix 2 anyway. |
Day dop 07.03.2015 13:29 |
Sensationalist journalism made up to sell papers from the Daily Mail? Who'd have thought it? :-O |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 21.03.2015 07:02 |
Keith and Rhyss are 1000% sure this does not excist. ChrystalHead got his details from this website perhaps. for me it features the only "picture"of "Freddie"in a wheelchair. http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/10/russias_hell_ho.html |
Biggus Dickus 21.03.2015 08:28 |
^^ Haha that's ridiculous. Ruskies really love lying. |
musicland munich 21.03.2015 08:38 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Keith and Rhyss are 1000% sure this does not excist. ChrystalHead got his details from this website perhaps. for me it features the only "picture"of "Freddie"in a wheelchair. http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/10/russias_hell_ho.htmlThe "ChrystalHead" Version is BULL...no doubt. The only guys I would like to hear are THE DORO's !!! I'am just curious wich loophole they might have for their stunt. When their business got broke, they also try to manipulate the media with statements like " We were very surprised " or " The company had the status of inactive" ans so on... ( snicker) |
CPL593h 21.03.2015 08:39 |
This "Freddie" is a dead ringer for the late Ronnie James Dio... |
Costa86 21.03.2015 10:00 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Keith and Rhyss are 1000% sure this does not excist. ChrystalHead got his details from this website perhaps. for me it features the only "picture"of "Freddie"in a wheelchair. http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/10/russias_hell_ho.htmlSorry, but who's Keith? And did you have an actual answer about this particular CrystalHead allegation from Rhys Thomas, or are you referring to something he had said before? The link between CrystalHead's story and the photo of a wax figure of Freddie in a wheelchair, has already been made previously in this thread. |
hachiman 22.03.2015 07:42 |
There are differences between the duck house vid and the russia pic. Crystal said Freddie was wearing a beard, kimono jacket and was in a rocking chair. |
Costa86 23.03.2015 16:51 |
Still don't know who the fuck Keith is? Keith Richards? Are we such established QZers and inside members of the Queen fan group that we are on a first name basis with members of the Queen team? Might not need two hands to jack oneself off - can use the other to tell me who Keith is. Thanks. |
MackMantilla 25.03.2015 08:53 |
miraclesteinway wrote: I think we can safely assume this thread is dead. Honestly, if it was filmed and it was a GOOD VIDEO then there'd be no reason not to see it, but it is highly likely it wasn't filmed, and it is even more likely that CrystalHeads made up her/his story about Freddie in a Kimono in the Duck House. It was a very detailed account - but think about it, we know Freddie had a beard, we know Freddie had a Kimono, we know Freddie had a Duck House, and we know Freddie was in Switzerland in Autumn of 1991 - his mother confirms that he was there in October '91, because he missed her birthday that year and sent flowers and an apology, and he hoped to make it up to her, but she knew he was too ill. We also know that Don't Try So Hard was considered as a single. With all of these pieces of information, it's not that difficult to construct a story about how DoRo went to film Freddie in the duck house in october 1991 and he was wearing a red kimono..... in fact because it can't possibly be disproven until an official from Queen or DoRo speaks out and confirms or denies it, it's quite a compelling little smoke bomb to throw into the forum. I'm quite certain that Freddie would not allow himself to be filmed after Days of Our Lives, and he wouldn't allow Jim Hutton to take a personal photograph of him after May 1991. Now, if he wouldn't allow a STILL picture to be taken after May 1991, I think it's safe to assume he wouldn't want a film taken after that time. Since there is no moderator to shut down this thread, it's fine if we want to talk about this particular video, but I think it doesn't exist, it probably never existed and even if it did, it would have been deleted by now. There's really very little point in talking about it. There's no more from Freddie that we will ever see.well said! |
brENsKi 25.03.2015 14:42 |
luthorn wrote: If Freddie wanted something to be released after his death, it would most likely be carried out by his attorney or the person who was the executor of his will. Given nothing came to light, it means Freddie did not want to have it released after all, even if he filmed it with that intention in mind.no it doesn't. all "it" means is that freddie didn't declare his intentions. he may have wanted it released/he may not have wanted it released. He didn't say. your comments are conjecture - not fact. |
Ivo-1976 26.03.2015 16:02 |
1. I think it is very, very unlikely Freddie was filmed after the "TATDOOL" recordings. 2. I wouldn't want to see it anyway. It's kind of morbid. 3. Why there is so much interest and speculation about his final months beats me completely. He was dying, he couldn't work anymore, why dig up details about it? |
Sebastian 11.04.2015 17:43 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: Why there is so much interest and speculation about his final months beats me completely. He was dying, he couldn't work anymore, why dig up details about it?Those details are important to some people. Not to me, at all. But well, everybody's different. |
hachiman 19.04.2015 10:22 |
Isn't it just a worth a shot asking Ian Levine or DoRo even the chances are low? What's the harm in asking really? ¯\_(?)_/¯ |
Pokemaniacjunk 05.07.2015 14:12 |
To anyone who was bullshiting crystalhead saying a DTSH video doesn't exist let me remind you everyone in Freddie's life were hiding the fact he had aids they could still be hiding things we don't know about |
CrystalHead 24.07.2015 14:35 |
Hi I decided to leave this subject for a while because I could see I was annoying a lot of people and believe me that was never my intention but I understand. Ian Levine has confirmed for me he has the full video. He also told me (he is still in regular contact with Peter Freestone) that Freddie died thinking that Don't Try So Hard would be released with These Are The Days Of Our Lives as a Double-A Side Christmas Single. NO ONE from Queen (including Rhys it seems) will confirm the validity of these facts because they have all been sworn to secrecy about it and I understand that - I didn't know the full details when I first posted but knowing what I do now I wouldn't have posted initially if I had done. |
Neo91 24.07.2015 16:16 |
Sorry but I dont believe this story. In "Dolezal Backstage", Rudi again said, that TATDOOL was Freddies last shot ever. I rather believe DoRo than guys like Chrystalhead. |
Pokemaniacjunk 26.07.2015 20:35 |
CrystalHead wrote: Hi I decided to leave this subject for a while because I could see I was annoying a lot of people and believe me that was never my intention but I understand. Ian Levine has confirmed for me he has the full video. He also told me (he is still in regular contact with Peter Freestone) that Freddie died thinking that Don't Try So Hard would be released with These Are The Days Of Our Lives as a Double-A Side Christmas Single. NO ONE from Queen (including Rhys it seems) will confirm the validity of these facts because they have all been sworn to secrecy about it and I understand that - I didn't know the full details when I first posted but knowing what I do now I wouldn't have posted initially if I had done.Do you think you could get a link of the video on this |
hachiman 01.08.2015 08:28 |
Unlikely. They'll probably say "No way" out of respect for Freddie or something. |
Day dop 01.08.2015 23:40 |
Day dop wrote:Pokemaniacjunk wrote: To anyone who was bullshiting crystalhead saying a DTSH video doesn't exist let me remind you everyone in Freddie's life were hiding the fact he had aids they could still be hiding things we don't know aboutI think you'll find that the conclusion was based on CrystalHead being a bullshitter, not the other way around. You wrote, "everyone in Freddie's life were hiding the fact he had aids they could still be hiding things we don't know about" Are you taking CrystalHead's bullshit seriously then? When questioned (rather than being blindly believed), even CrystalHead's supporting stories fall apart... One example - CrystalHead suggested we look at the credits on the Great Pretender (as she, apparently, worked on sound mixing). As I replied to CrystalHead: "We looked. And... nothing. Or, are you going to make some kind of excuse for lack of female name AFTER suggesting for us to go look? ... which it doesn't seem you really thought we'd do, along with remembering you said you worked on sound mixing. No more sidetracking, excuses, or avoiding this issue from you, please." ^ Of course, none of that was addressed by CrystalHead. ^ Why would this CrystalHead person do their best to remain anonymous, yet at the same time give away what their job was on The Great Pretender? Wouldn't that give away who CrystalHead really is to the people who are in on this oh so sinister secret to keep the footage of Freddie away from us? Or is it that this CrystalHead character isn't able to keep up with her own bullshit? (assuming CrystalHead even is a "her"). Now, aside from anything else, why would anyone here ignore those details? For the sake of wishful thinking? 1) She bullshitted, because - hey, welcome to the internet where anyone can say anything for amusement purposes - and didn't expect people would go check the credits. Or.... 2) Because.... [fill in your theory here] (make sure it's believable in order to fit peoples beliefs). |
Day dop 02.08.2015 01:01 |
CrystalHead wrote: Hi I decided to leave this subject for a while because I could see I was annoying a lot of people and believe me that was never my intention but I understand. Ian Levine has confirmed for me he has the full video. He also told me (he is still in regular contact with Peter Freestone) that Freddie died thinking that Don't Try So Hard would be released with These Are The Days Of Our Lives as a Double-A Side Christmas Single. NO ONE from Queen (including Rhys it seems) will confirm the validity of these facts because they have all been sworn to secrecy about it and I understand that - I didn't know the full details when I first posted but knowing what I do now I wouldn't have posted initially if I had done.Have you got any evidence they've all been sworn to secrecy? Or you're just throwing that one out there for unquestioning wishful thinkers to lap up? Also, you never addressed the issue with there being no female sound mixer on the Great Pretender credits (see my above reply to Pokemaniacjunk in order to remind yourself, or look back through the thread). I'd hope you'd be able to answer that, rather than diverting and deflecting (which is what you did before). |
Day dop 02.08.2015 01:58 |
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Gregsynth 02.08.2015 03:07 |
This is just a wind-up. |
Fuckyouandyourmothertoo 02.08.2015 14:01 |
''Chrystalhead'' is obviously a troll, if you wan to be taken seriously, post a single screenshot from the video that proves it ever existed, Otherwise just go away like the troll you probably are. |
Costa86 03.08.2015 08:41 |
Not this shit again. |
hachiman 03.08.2015 17:11 |
Tbh, I only want this thread to keep going because it's interesting... and entertaining. ^_^ Hope I'm not the only one. |
hachiman 03.08.2015 17:11 |
But yeah, if not the video itself then a screenshot will do. |
hachiman 29.08.2015 13:27 |
Looks like they've been talking about us. Something to do with Chrytlahead talking about John Lennon's music vid. http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/has-yoko-ever-commented-on-the-unseen-1980-lennon-music-videos.220986/page-23 |
Day dop 29.08.2015 14:00 |
hachiman wrote: Looks like they've been talking about us. Something to do with Chrytlahead talking about John Lennon's music vid. http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/has-yoko-ever-commented-on-the-unseen-1980-lennon-music-videos.220986/page-23That really wasn't worth bumping up this horseshit thread for. |
cmsdrums 19.02.2016 15:53 |
cmsdrums wrote: I have contacted Ian Levine regarding this - I have followed him on Twitter for several years and I hope that he will respond, but clearly he may completely ignore me.Well.....Ian Levine HAS responded to me, and has simply said "it's ALL a hoax". To me that means the whole story - not just that he holds a VHS tape of any supposed material, but that the material simply doesn't exist to start with. No it's not concrete proof to those that will still insists on a cover up, but that does it for me. |
Costa86 19.02.2016 16:09 |
cmsdrums wrote:That's been a long time coming, thanks for reporting back on this.cmsdrums wrote: I have contacted Ian Levine regarding this - I have followed him on Twitter for several years and I hope that he will respond, but clearly he may completely ignore me.Well.....Ian Levine HAS responded to me, and has simply said "it's ALL a hoax". To me that means the whole story - not just that he holds a VHS tape of any supposed material, but that the material simply doesn't exist to start with. No it's not concrete proof to those that will still insists on a cover up, but that does it for me. So CrystalHead was just a phony as most of us suspected.... |
musicland munich 19.02.2016 18:51 |
Yeah - I know already... I recieved a message a few weeks ago..maybe two month or so. There was no filming with Freddie after "TATDOOL" The source is as close as you can get...maybe the one who gives me that information, is willing to hand out more details and jumps into discussion...if not, bad luck for you guys. |
Sebastian 20.02.2016 03:43 |
That was rather obvious from the start. Sure, people swear to secrecy and hide stuff ... but that doesn't mean every single crazy theory should be given the benefit of the doubt. |
The Fairy King 20.02.2016 14:09 |
I bet that Rudi thought the so called "last interview with Freddie Mercury" bit on the Champions of the World documentary would fool us too. It seems that the article that fueled this rumor could easily have been misinterpreted or he was actually talking about said "interview" with footage of the lake and Duckhouse. |
Sebastian 21.02.2016 09:15 |
Good point. |
Darren_1977 21.02.2016 13:54 |
it was entertaining for awhile this subject |
Mr.QueenFan 21.02.2016 15:25 |
musicland munich wrote: Yeah - I know already... I recieved a message a few weeks ago..maybe two month or so. There was no filming with Freddie after "TATDOOL" The source is as close as you can get...maybe the one who gives me that information, is willing to hand out more details and jumps into discussion...if not, bad luck for you guys.But as the starter of this topic, i think it would have been nice of you to post the new information you were given (you could leave your source unnamed). Thanks to cmsdrums for bumping this thread and finally put a stop to this. |
musicland munich 22.02.2016 11:05 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:Me - I wasn't part of that meeting or conversation in person. I just recieved an email with a Name ( main source), and the obvious content.The one who send me that email is a true gentleman I have to let you know.musicland munich wrote: Yeah - I know already... I recieved a message a few weeks ago..maybe two month or so. There was no filming with Freddie after "TATDOOL" The source is as close as you can get...maybe the one who gives me that information, is willing to hand out more details and jumps into discussion...if not, bad luck for you guys.But as the starter of this topic, i think it would have been nice of you to post the new information you were given (you could leave your source unnamed). Thanks to cmsdrums for bumping this thread and finally put a stop to this. I thanked him for his efforts and put a additional thought in my reply. I was very pleased with what comes out of it. Just let it go ;) |
Mr.QueenFan 22.02.2016 14:57 |
musicland munich wrote: Just let it go ;)I have no interest in keep this going. I was one of the few who said that this was false. But because i started to receive some attacks based on what i was saying, i'm just saying that you could have put a stop to all this nonsense by sharing the new information. But it'all good :-) |
Mark_Glasgow 23.02.2016 04:27 |
I love these types of posts. I'm working in Malta for a few months and there's not much to do in the evening, so your efforts are much appreciated. Now I've read all 19 pages of this one, could someone start another conspiracy theory please? |
Costa86 23.02.2016 14:20 |
Mark_Glasgow wrote: I love these types of posts. I'm working in Malta for a few months and there's not much to do in the evening, so your efforts are much appreciated. Now I've read all 19 pages of this one, could someone start another conspiracy theory please?I lived most of my life in Malta. Where are you staying? There's plenty of activity in places like Paceville (but don't go there), or the Sliema seafront in the evenings. Well, when I say activity, I mean people drinking in bars or eating out. |
Mark_Glasgow 01.03.2016 03:18 |
Hey I'm living in Sliema and working in Valletta, love it all so far....hopefully here until end of May....im off to Paceville this weekend with a few mates, I hear its rather "lively" haha |
Costa86 01.03.2016 11:05 |
Paceville was a great place in my day (early 2000s), but now it's degenerated. Lots of seedy gentleman's clubs, and fights break out often. Still a few good clubs though. |
splicksplack 06.03.2016 12:40 |
CrystalHead wrote: Hi I decided to leave this subject for a while because I could see I was annoying a lot of people and believe me that was never my intention but I understand. Ian Levine has confirmed for me he has the full video. He also told me (he is still in regular contact with Peter Freestone) that Freddie died thinking that Don't Try So Hard would be released with These Are The Days Of Our Lives as a Double-A Side Christmas Single. NO ONE from Queen (including Rhys it seems) will confirm the validity of these facts because they have all been sworn to secrecy about it and I understand that - I didn't know the full details when I first posted but knowing what I do now I wouldn't have posted initially if I had done. |
splicksplack 06.03.2016 12:40 |
CrystalHead wrote: Hi I decided to leave this subject for a while because I could see I was annoying a lot of people and believe me that was never my intention but I understand. Ian Levine has confirmed for me he has the full video. He also told me (he is still in regular contact with Peter Freestone) that Freddie died thinking that Don't Try So Hard would be released with These Are The Days Of Our Lives as a Double-A Side Christmas Single. NO ONE from Queen (including Rhys it seems) will confirm the validity of these facts because they have all been sworn to secrecy about it and I understand that - I didn't know the full details when I first posted but knowing what I do now I wouldn't have posted initially if I had done. |
splicksplack 06.03.2016 12:42 |
Sorry, the posts above didn't pick up my reply so...... I haven't been on here for a while but I read this whole thread today and noticed the Ian Levine bit. I have a friend who is an actor who knows Ian very well. Ian was once a well respected HI-NRG DJ at Heaven (the gay club in London). He also wrote and produced some great HI-NRG classics. His main love though is Northern Soul and he has spent a great deal of money producing "new" cd's featuring old Northern Soul artists. He is well known in the Northern Soul community. As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, he is also a big Dr. Who fan and apart from owning some copies of long lost episodes he also owns an actual dalek. However, what he has never been interested in (as far as I'm aware) is rock music. He is a bit of a hoarder but this is firmly connected to his interests. SO.... while in the pub earlier I decided to call my actor friend to see if he felt the claim that Ian holds a copy of this supposed last video holds any water. He said 'I'll call Ian now". He called me back within 5 minutes imitating Ian's voice saying "It's a complete fabrication. I don't have the video and the John Lennon story is also rubbish. I'm sick of this Queen video nonsense. I've a had loads of calls about it." Now, everything I've heard about Ian through my friend indicates this is a genuine response. Ian will happily brag about a rare item he actually has and say '"No I'm not selling it and I won't share it" But he is happy to confirm he has it. So I would put money on the fact that this part of Crystalhead's story is untrue. Whether the video exists or not is another story but, given her claim above that Ian told her he has a copy, I would guess that her whole story is made up. I will also be trying to verify whether Ian is in "regular contact" with Phoebe or even if he knows who the hell Peter Freestone is (I somehow doubt it). |
Darren_1977 06.03.2016 15:45 |
well that should finally clear up her bullshit story, thanks for finding out the truth |
BETA215 06.03.2016 16:12 |
Why does any of you really thought that story was truth? I mean, it was very evident that it was made up. Check earlier responses and search the non-sense. It was EVEN confirmed by close contacts of Queen/Freddie. I don't get why people believe in conspiracy theories without any kind of evidence. |
Sebastian 07.03.2016 03:49 |
It reminds me of Verbal Kint's thoughts on coppers: 'If you got a dead body and you think his brother did it, you're gonna find out you're right.' |
The Real Wizard 08.03.2016 13:30 |
splicksplack wrote: Sorry, the posts above didn't pick up my reply so......link ^ there's a makeshift solution for when that happens to you. |
The Real Wizard 08.03.2016 13:31 |
BETA215 wrote: Why does any of you really thought that story was truth? I mean, it was very evident that it was made up. Check earlier responses and search the non-sense. It was EVEN confirmed by close contacts of Queen/Freddie. I don't get why people believe in conspiracy theories without any kind of evidence.Because most people have a need for belief that's greater than a need for evidence. There's usually some kind of emotional need for cognitive closure where there otherwise isn't any. It's just proof that human evolution has a long way to go. |
gran rey rata 30.09.2016 12:30 |
Never we hear the Queen boxes. And never we well ser it. Exist or not. |