Jam Monkey 08.08.2013 13:26 |
Over their long history, Queen have released many versions of their material; remixes, edits, remakes, B-sides, collaborations, mistakes, there are literally hundreds of variations to the songs you will find on Queen’s albums. Add in a healthy dose of unreleased songs that have surfaced over the years and you have A LOT of material to listen to and collect. I’ve listened to and collected Queen for 20 years, and ever since I started these variations and versions have fascinated me. Now, there are several excellent guides online to all this material, but what’s always frustrated that none of them were definitive. All of them have omissions and errors, and never really had all the detail I wanted. So, I could either complain about that, or do something about it. That is where this guide comes in. It aims to list and describe every variation and version of every Queen track, no matter how big or small the difference. From songs that never made it to the album to the most minor of edits, you’ll find it all here. In this guide, each album will have its own chapter, and each chapter will follow the same format: 1) A guide to the album background; including a track listing and key facts about when and where it was recorded, who produced the album etc. This section will also include information on the original release dates, formats and catalogue numbers. 2) A list of album remasters; including who remastered the album, where it was remastered and release details of the remaster. 3) Details of the album versions of each song; including the author and track time, to allow comparison to the different versions. 4) A comprehensive list of each of the song versions; including track time and a description of what makes that version different. 5) A list of releases (where applicable) that feature that song version. There is a ot of information contained in this guide, so before you get stuck in I recommend you read the following few paragraphs to help you get the most out of it. This will give you all the background needed on understanding what’s in the guide. As always with a work of this size it’s possible a few mistakes have crept in here and there. If you spot anything incorrect please let me know. You’ll also see ??? where there is any missing information, so please get in touch if you can fill in those blanks. I can be contacted at jam_monkey@hotmail.com If you have any questions on the content, please ask! I intend to publish one album at a time (much like John S Stuart’ ‘Ultimate Collection threads from a few years ago) and hope to have this on a dedicated website at some point in the future. So, that said, here is the first chapter… |
Jam Monkey 08.08.2013 13:29 |
What’s in and what’s out: This guide aims to list all song versions where there is any variation (however minor) to the standard album version. This includes both officially released and unreleased material studio material, as well as officially released live material. There is, however, one exception to this rule. Over the years Queen have released several official documentaries which feature a lot of songs in their soundtracks. Many of these songs are just short clips of the album versions, and to keep this guide focused on what really matters, the music, the decision was taken not to include these short clips and I’ve only listed documentary tracks when there has been some form of remixing. Releases: Along with each song version you’ll find a list of releases that that version features on. It would be near impossible to list every release, so the following approach has been adopted: 1) Only releases from the three major Queen territories of the UK, US and Japan are listed; unless the song version in question doesn’t feature on releases from those counties, or there is some other good reason for including other territories 2) Some releases have also been issued a multitude of times over many years and in a variety of packages (for example, Greatest Hits). In these cases it wasn’t always possible to list every single issue and reissue, but I have tried to list as many as possible. 3) The list of releases is focused on vinyl and CDs, generally I’ve only listed cassette sources when there is no vinyl or CD equivalent. For a lot of the releases mentioned you’ll also find an indication of its rarity, and which releases might be easier to find. This is obviously quite subjective and should only be taken as a suggestion; collecting Queen has never been an exact science. Unreleased Material: To the delight of many fans, and the frustration of the band, a large catalogue of unreleased material has found its way into the hands of collectors. Some of this material circulates freely amongst the community of Queen fans, while some is exceptionally rare and in the hands of only a few people. To make it absolutely clear what material is available and what is not you’ll see a status attached to every listing of unreleased material. The categories are: 1) Shared: The track definitely exists and it has been freely shared amongst Queen fans, so anyone should be able to get hold of it. 2) Uncirculated: The track definitely exists and it is in the hands of collectors, but it has not been shared freely and may be difficult to get hold of. 3) Not Recorded: A status relating to convention tracks. We know it was played at the convention, but no recording has come to light. 4) In The Vaults: The track has been confirmed to exist by an official source but it has never leaked to collecting circles. 5) Advert: The track has been advertised for sale/trade but not heard by anyone. Related mainly to some acetate discs. 6) Rumour: Gossip, innuendo, wind ups; they are all here. This material may exist, or it may not. These statuses have been included on listings that relate to recordings from acetate discs as well, as although there is a physical product they have never been officially released and exist only in exceptionally limited numbers. Repeated Information: It’s worth mentioning that you’ll see certain bits of information repeated throughout the guide. This is particularly true of the releases segments. For example, all the De Lane Lea demos come from the same release, and so for each of the five demos the same description of the release was included. While that might get a tad boring if you are reading the whole document, there is a reason for it. This guide is put together in such a way to allow people to ‘dip in and out’, so it’s necessary to repeat certain things. Beware Fakes! Over time, many fake Queen tracks have come to light. Sometimes this has been unintentional, but at other times it’s been a deliberate ploy to deceive fans. In each album chapter the most common fakes are listed, but so many circulate it would be impossible to keep track of them all. Some fakes are so poor you can spot them easily, while others have clearly had a lot of effort put into them. Fake tracks, however, generally fall into these categories: 1) Fan mixes: Many Queen fans turn their talents to remixing songs, made all the more easier these days by the huge collection of computer game stems available. Most share their work freely, but in some cases people have mistaken (deliberately or otherwise) these fan mixes for demos or rarities. 2) 5.1 Mixes: Queen have released several DVDs in 5.1 Surround Sound, and if you have just a little PC knowledge you can separate out the different tracks and listen to each individually. Fun to do, but sometimes these separated 5.1 mixes have been passed off as rarities. 4) Stereo Mixes: Back in the days before 5.1 Surround Sound people only had stereo effects to play with. Many bootlegs contain tracks with just the left or right channel present and try to pass these off as demos. 5) Official releases: Sometimes some more obscure official releases are passed off as demos. Check this guide and you’ll know for sure what’s official and what’s not! 6) New creations: Some people go to the lengths of recording new music, perhaps combining it with genuine samples. Some of it is rather good, but not worth anything at all. 7) Wind Ups: The vast majority of Queen fans are good people, but some like to wind us all up with tales of unreleased tracks that are nothing more than fantasy. If you are ever offered any Queen rarities in a trade make sure you know what you are getting first, and always ask for a sample! |
Lord Fickle 08.08.2013 13:45 |
This sounds fascinating! Thanks for all your hard work - I can't wait to read it! :) |
Fmarton 08.08.2013 13:58 |
It sounds great. Can't wait to read it. And thanks for the effort and for sharing it. |
Rien 08.08.2013 14:17 |
Thanks for this interesting information! Really great to read. |
last-horizon 42265 08.08.2013 14:39 |
Great great stuff! Congratulations and thanks for sharing! |
Sebastian 08.08.2013 15:04 |
Some mistakes: Louis Austin didn't produce TNCD, he recorded it (i.e., engineered it), but it was produced by Queen. The rest of the tracks were produced by John Anthony and Roy Baker (but not the band). From 'Queen II' onwards, the band would co-produce everything (so it'd be Queen/Mack or Queen/Richards or Queen/Baker or Queen/Bowie, etc.), but not on the début. The Austin mistake is repeated on the comment for the DLL version of KYA - he wasn't the producer, he was the in-house engineer, the work was produced by the band. |
mooghead 08.08.2013 15:27 |
"Louis Austin didn't produce TNCD, he recorded it" He pressed the button on the console that said 'record' |
Sebastian 08.08.2013 16:22 |
mooghead wrote: He pressed the button on the console that said 'record'Exactly. Not the same as producing. |
CERATOPHRYS 08.08.2013 17:29 |
Wow nice job! Thanks for your effort and for sharing it. |
Flash Taylor Sleman 08.08.2013 19:49 |
Great! Awesome! Thanks :D |
dudeofqueen 09.08.2013 02:52 |
Aahhhhh, thi is more like it.......... I predict this to be THE most read thread ever on the board. |
splicksplack 09.08.2013 04:57 |
Is Greg Brooks listening? |
pittrek 09.08.2013 05:31 |
Craig, a couple of things which I miss or don't like - Microsoft Word in the title of the document :) - try to avoid words like "recently" - don't forget that this can be read in 2013, but also in 2053 if you're lucky - pictures. I would LOVE to have a version of this document with pictures. You know - when you write about an acetate version, it would be great to actually SEE a picture of the acetate. Or covers of all the international releases / re-releases / remasters |
ParisNair 09.08.2013 05:38 |
The amount of time and effort you are ready to commit to this project is amazing. Thank a lot and all the best!
Can I suggest you add a page for version history of each chapter? It can include version number, additons/modifications and the corresponding dates (with credits, if you like).
Is Greg Brooks listening?Doesn't matter. He/they wouldn't think of taking up such work because this would only be of interest to hard-core fans and collectors, which QPL do not consider a market, evidently. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 09.08.2013 06:37 |
splicksplack wrote: Is Greg Brooks listening?I am quite sure he is reading this. But ask yourself the question : would it be for his sake to reply on this , things he already knows.... |
soxtalon 09.08.2013 06:49 |
Really well done! A great piece of information. A quick followup question. Will this just be Queen or will you be delving into the solo projects as well? What about guest appearances? |
vivaqueen 09.08.2013 07:41 |
MERCI BEAUCOUP |
TomP63 09.08.2013 08:21 |
So far, so good! Thank you for your effort! Tom |
Vali 09.08.2013 08:53 |
Fantastic task, thankyou very much !!!! and I second Pittrek's suggestion re the pics, as then it would be close to perfection! although I'm concerned about the extra-work it may take ..... can't wait re-reading chapter one and putting my hands on two ! |
GinjaNinja 09.08.2013 09:10 |
This really is excellent, thanks for a great read! :) |
MackMantilla 09.08.2013 09:14 |
Fantastic work! Thanks a lot for sharing this great info with the QZers :-) |
Tim June 09.08.2013 12:05 |
Thank you very much for this great article. Very interesting! : ) |
shannaschaffer 09.08.2013 12:48 |
Thank you so much! I think my work productivity for the day is shot now... |
MadTheSwine73 09.08.2013 13:40 |
Thank you for your work and research. Oh, and the document too. :) |
Supersonic_Man89 09.08.2013 13:45 |
Great work, very informative! |
. 09.08.2013 14:23 |
Thanks for sharing your hard work. |
bokkepoot 09.08.2013 14:42 |
Really fabulous share ! Thanks for creating this and sharing with us. |
joesilvey 09.08.2013 15:32 |
This is a welcomed and wonderful project... many thanks for your assimilation of all this info! |
Jam Monkey 09.08.2013 16:50 |
Thanks for your comments everyone. 300 downloads is more than I expected! I appreciate the corrections you have posted, and I'll upload an updated version one I have the chance to make the changes. I hope to have this on a website soon, and pictures of the releases will be added then. I the meantime, look out for Queen II next week... |
MAYniac91 10.08.2013 03:59 |
Wow... amazing work and a highlight for my still little beating collector heart!!!! Thanks you very much... very exited for the rest of the chapters! |
Vocal harmony 10.08.2013 06:56 |
Great work, very interesting looking forward to Queen 2. Thanks for sharing this. |
dysan 11.08.2013 04:48 |
Lovely stuff. My only comments: No mention of the Smile Doin All Right which I think merits mention, as do the other Smile tracks - especially Blag in the Son & Daughter piece. And perhaps rather than repeating the Beeb and Acetate info, tackle the released Beeb album next as an official release, and the bonus Q1 EP in one section. But I understand why you've done it like that for when a person wants to jump to one specific song. Kudos for not mentioning the collectors by name too. |
Jam Monkey 11.08.2013 05:48 |
dysan wrote: Lovely stuff. My only comments: No mention of the Smile Doin All Right which I think merits mention, as do the other Smile tracks - especially Blag in the Son & Daughter piece. And perhaps rather than repeating the Beeb and Acetate info, tackle the released Beeb album next as an official release, and the bonus Q1 EP in one section. But I understand why you've done it like that for when a person wants to jump to one specific song. Kudos for not mentioning the collectors by name too. I intend to tackle Smile (and all the pre-Queen bands) as separate chapters, so it will be covered eventually. Thanks for your comment |
scallyuk 12.08.2013 03:22 |
There's ( according to Neil Kernon) some unreleased Mike Stone studio banter that maybe needs a reference here. Mike was one of the funniest people I have ever met. As Brian said, there were always hilarious comments from him, slated across all the tracks when doing backing tracks. One I remember was originally right before "Now I'm Here" where Mike said, in his inimitable, very dry voice "Ok chaps, let's have some Sadly, at the end of the day, that got snipped from the mix in mastering. Oh well.. I also worked on the mixing of Sheer Heart Attack by Queen, and on the song Killer Queen, the phasing on the word "laser" of "dynamite and a laser beam" was done manually by yours truly, using a Countryman phaser that I messed around with as that section played through each time. Also, much to the chagrin of Mike Stone and RTB, I suggested doing a tape phasing edit section for the "wanna try" part towards the end of the song. This wasn't a popular idea at the time as we'd all been working on the song for almost two days straight as it was and everyone was completely exhausted (actually the entire mix session for that album was like that...the days just blurred into each other) and when I suggested it Freddy said "That sounds like a good idea..let's try it". Mike and Roy were looking at me as if I'd suggested trying to break into Fort Knox or something, but once the mix was sorted Mike and I spent a couple of hours setting up the phasing again, and it did end up working out really well, although I think I had to dodge a couple of swift kicks for making the untimely suggestion. |
Sebastian 12.08.2013 07:48 |
All of that is very interesting, but isn't related to the Queen début album at all. It's worth including when the 'SHA' chapter gets written, though. |
dudeofqueen 12.08.2013 08:48 |
This also begs the question: Is this (and the subsequent parts) a precursor to a release of the Fanthology tracks? |
slithybill 12.08.2013 10:06 |
Thank you very much for this! It's really wonderful. Has anyone provided you with the catalog numbers of the 2011 Hollywood releases? I don't own them but I'll check a few shops this week. |
dowens 13.08.2013 20:51 |
This is awesome ! |
kevukuk 15.08.2013 03:50 |
Really enjoyable read, thanks for all your hard work, looking forward to the next chapter. |
DLCVinnuendo 15.08.2013 09:30 |
excellent read for these days, continue to post!! |
John S Stuart 15.08.2013 10:38 |
It is heartening to see that Jam Monkey has received such a large number of positive comments and contributions to his excellently researched feature. DudeofQueen: As regard to a definitive Fanthology "release", I don't think it would be "out of school" to say that plans are afoot, but please remember any such set/s would NOT include the officially released Queen album itself; but would be a complimentary companion, as it were. Therfore as an addition to JamMonkey's list; can I add a personal request by asking what you (the great Queenzone public) think are your personal favourites (or the "definitive" track versions) of the first album are? Would you vote for a complete album (such as the original Japanese release or the UK 2012 re-issues) or would you say that track-by-track (starting with Keep Yourself Alive) is better on one edition but that Modern Times Rock and Roll is better on another? I know that this is a completely subjective and arbitary request, but it may make reveal some interesting results. (Indeed; I think I will start this idea a new thread and leave JamMonkey's as a seperate entity). |
soxtalon 15.08.2013 12:31 |
John S Stuart wrote: It is heartening to see that Jam Monkey has received such a large number of positive comments and contributions to his excellently researched feature.Indeed. It's great to see some positivity around here! John S Stuart wrote: DudeofQueen: As regard to a definitive Fanthology "release", I don't think it would be "out of school" to say that plans are afoot, but please remember any such set/s would NOT include the officially released Queen album itself; but would be a complimentary companion, as it were.Excellent news! Thanks ahead of time John. |
Over the Field 16.08.2013 11:09 |
Very nice! |
YourValentine 17.08.2013 13:36 |
Great job,Craig, this is a great service for the serious Queen aficionados, thank you so very much. |
Jam Monkey 18.08.2013 06:49 |
scallyuk wrote: There's ( according to Neil Kernon) some unreleased Mike Stone studio banter that maybe needs a reference here. Mike was one of the funniest people I have ever met. As Brian said, there were always hilarious comments from him, slated across all the tracks when doing backing tracks. One I remember was originally right before "Now I'm Here" where Mike said, in his inimitable, very dry voice "Ok chaps, let's have some *rock and roll* (emphasis mine). It was delivered in absolutely hilarious fashion, and we all cracked up every time it was played. Sadly, at the end of the day, that got snipped from the mix in mastering. Oh well.. I also worked on the mixing of Sheer Heart Attack by Queen, and on the song Killer Queen, the phasing on the word "laser" of "dynamite and a laser beam" was done manually by yours truly, using a Countryman phaser that I messed around with as that section played through each time. Also, much to the chagrin of Mike Stone and RTB, I suggested doing a tape phasing edit section for the "wanna try" part towards the end of the song. This wasn't a popular idea at the time as we'd all been working on the song for almost two days straight as it was and everyone was completely exhausted (actually the entire mix session for that album was like that...the days just blurred into each other) and when I suggested it Freddy said "That sounds like a good idea..let's try it". Mike and Roy were looking at me as if I'd suggested trying to break into Fort Knox or something, but once the mix was sorted Mike and I spent a couple of hours setting up the phasing again, and it did end up working out really well, although I think I had to dodge a couple of swift kicks for making the untimely suggestion. Thanks for this very interesting story. I'll defiantly be included the version of Now I'm Here with the Mike Stone intro. |
Mkls 18.08.2013 08:38 |
liar/ my fairy king / ogre battle emidisc acetates: once i was the owner of these three and i can confirm these contained edited bbc versions. i was never really convinced about the geniune origin of the items.. sold it via Bonhams later ... M. |
Walter B. 18.08.2013 10:05 |
Good work, thanks! As Japan has had many releases, it's not easy to find the info you're after. The very first pressing of the vinyl album was released in Japan 25th March 1974. The cataloguenumber is P-8427-E. The album with number P-10118-E was released in 1975. |
Vocal harmony 21.09.2013 06:23 |
Jam Monkey with regard to Hangman. As you rightly pointed out a question mark hung over the existence of a studio recording of this song for many years. The conformation that an Acetate is owned by someone would seem to prove it was recorded. What I find interesting is that you say that those who speak don't know and those that know aren't saying. I'm sure this is the case, however you give a running time of 4:37 for this track. This would seem an assertive statement following the information presented. How do you know the running time of a song that only exists on one Acetate that no one seems to have heard, or if they have they are not willing to talk about. |
Jam Monkey 22.09.2013 02:26 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Jam Monkey with regard to Hangman. As you rightly pointed out a question mark hung over the existence of a studio recording of this song for many years. The conformation that an Acetate is owned by someone would seem to prove it was recorded. What I find interesting is that you say that those who speak don't know and those that know aren't saying. I'm sure this is the case, however you give a running time of 4:37 for this track. This would seem an assertive statement following the information presented. How do you know the running time of a song that only exists on one Acetate that no one seems to have heard, or if they have they are not willing to talk about. I think my 'those who speak' comment was a little tongue in cheek, but it's true that this song remains a mystery. As for the run time, let me just say that information came from a reliable source. |
Vocal harmony 22.09.2013 05:27 |
Cool. Good bit of info. |