| Marknow 25.07.2013 14:21 |
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/QUEEN-live-at-the-houston-usa-1977-7-PIC-DISC-/261252425597?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3cd3dba77d How the heck do the bootleggers make stuff like this? It cannot be cost effective?Not only is it a recording of something that was never officially pressed on vinyl, it's also a picture disk. How the hell do they do it? This honestly bugs me more than it should. http://i.imgur.com/NuERjnE.jpg" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /> http://i.imgur.com/3bNF0D1.jpg" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /> |
| Hangman_96 25.07.2013 15:27 |
It looks nice, though :-) Doesn't it? |
| bluephoenix 25.07.2013 16:01 |
Rocking in Huston... nice |
| brENsKi 25.07.2013 16:06 |
Marknow wrote: How the heck do the bootleggers make stuff like this? It cannot be cost effective?Not only is it a recording of something that was never officially pressed on vinyl, it's also a picture disk. How the hell do they do it? This honestly bugs me more than it should.it's actually extremely profitable when you think about it. prices start at £2.00 per 7" pic disc and (depending on volume) come down to £1.00 per unit. so selling these "rarities" at ($37) £24...is a great money spinner. For a £625 outlay you get 300 discs. You only need to sell 26 units to start making a profit. that leaves you 274 discs to make (upto) £5500 profit from an initial £600 outlay. hope you're less "bugged" now? here's the link i found: link |
| brians wig 25.07.2013 19:32 |
Yes, but this is limited to 50 copies and that website don't do just 50 copies! I don't understand why QPL don't crack down on these Bootleggers. You can guarantee that if I was on Ebay selling a hundred copies of something they'd have me up in court :( |
| Thistle 25.07.2013 20:09 |
^ these manufacturing places are legit, and wouldn't touch this with a bargepole. To do it personally would cost a small fortune, so the sale price would have to be higher. This is somebody, or a group of folk, who have a private pressing plant, and are churning these out by the shitload. The picture, font etc used on the example above is crap, and there has been little effort to make it look good....or to even get spelling correct lol. |
| brENsKi 26.07.2013 03:03 |
brians wig wrote: Yes, but this is limited to 50 copies and that website don't do just 50 copies! I don't understand why QPL don't crack down on these Bootleggers. You can guarantee that if I was on Ebay selling a hundred copies of something they'd have me up in court :(who says it's limited to 50 copies? they may have had 300 pressed for sale all over and just listed 50 for ebay "this time" and the site i provided was just one of many - as merely an example of how profitable these things can be |
| Marknow 26.07.2013 03:20 |
Lostman wrote: It looks nice, though :-) Doesn't it? Yeah, that's what bugs me!! :) |
| Marknow 26.07.2013 03:29 |
brENsKi wrote:Marknow wrote: How the heck do the bootleggers make stuff like this? It cannot be cost effective?Not only is it a recording of something that was never officially pressed on vinyl, it's also a picture disk. How the hell do they do it? This honestly bugs me more than it should.it's actually extremely profitable when you think about it. prices start at £2.00 per 7" pic disc and (depending on volume) come down to £1.00 per unit. so selling these "rarities" at ($37) £24...is a great money spinner. For a £625 outlay you get 300 discs. You only need to sell 26 units to start making a profit. that leaves you 274 discs to make (upto) £5500 profit from an initial £600 outlay. hope you're less "bugged" now? here's the link i found: http://www.discmanufacturingservices.com/vinyl-prices.htm Thanks for the link it's a bit of an eye opener. Still though all methods listed require "from supplied master" How do they put something on vinyl that has never been released on that format? They have access to some kind of machine to etch a blank master vinyl from another audio source? So it is probably done by guys who work in a proper factory and they use quiet time to do their nasty business? I find it amazing people can produce stuff like this and get away with it. As others have said I doubt too it is also limited to 50 copies, how could you trust that statement. |
| Marknow 26.07.2013 03:33 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: ^ these manufacturing places are legit, and wouldn't touch this with a bargepole. To do it personally would cost a small fortune, so the sale price would have to be higher. This is somebody, or a group of folk, who have a private pressing plant, and are churning these out by the shitload. The picture, font etc used on the example above is crap, and there has been little effort to make it look good....or to even get spelling correct lol. I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. :) I wonder if the bidder has spotted it? I am also curious to see how much it sells for, EUR 37.77 at the moment. |
| Marknow 26.07.2013 04:06 |
brians wig wrote: You can guarantee that if I was on Ebay selling a hundred copies of something they'd have me up in court :( Yeah, I see the seller is in Athens, Greece. That country is so screwed at the moment I doubt this kind of thing is on their legal radar, least of the governments problems. |
| thomasquinn 32989 26.07.2013 05:08 |
Marknow wrote:No government in the world would sue anyone for copyright infringement. That's solely for the copyright holders to do. Copyright infringement is almost always a matter of civil law. For it to come under the heading of criminal law, you have to do pretty extreme things.brians wig wrote: You can guarantee that if I was on Ebay selling a hundred copies of something they'd have me up in court :(Yeah, I see the seller is in Athens, Greece. That country is so screwed at the moment I doubt this kind of thing is on their legal radar, least of the governments problems. |
| Yamaguchi 26.07.2013 10:29 |
I've never heard the recording of the concert in HUSTON!! ...Anyway, this picture disc looks nice. |
| Hangman_96 26.07.2013 10:53 |
The Man From Yamaguchi wrote: I've never heard the recording of the concert in HUSTON!! ...Anyway, this picture disc looks nice.Have you never seen the famous video footage? |
| brians wig 27.07.2013 01:52 |
brENsKi wrote:Erm, if you look at the photos, it quite clearly states on the record itself "50 copies".brians wig wrote: Yes, but this is limited to 50 copies and that website don't do just 50 copies! I don't understand why QPL don't crack down on these Bootleggers. You can guarantee that if I was on Ebay selling a hundred copies of something they'd have me up in court :(who says it's limited to 50 copies? they may have had 300 pressed for sale all over and just listed 50 for ebay "this time" and the site i provided was just one of many - as merely an example of how profitable these things can be |
| tero! 48531 27.07.2013 02:07 |
brians wig wrote:...Which actually proves even less than a sale of 50 copies simultaneously.brENsKi wrote:Erm, if you look at the photos, it quite clearly states on the record itself "50 copies".brians wig wrote: Yes, but this is limited to 50 copies and that website don't do just 50 copies! I don't understand why QPL don't crack down on these Bootleggers. You can guarantee that if I was on Ebay selling a hundred copies of something they'd have me up in court :(who says it's limited to 50 copies? they may have had 300 pressed for sale all over and just listed 50 for ebay "this time" and the site i provided was just one of many - as merely an example of how profitable these things can be As long as there's no running rumber on the release, the only way to prove there are more than 50 copies is to have a meeting of the owners. 50 copies does sound about right for a crappy bootleg release (considering that there are only a few thousand Queen collectors in the world at the moment), but there WILL be new pressings of 50 copies as long as the previous pressing sells out. Whether there are 50 or 500 copies in total, the disc is still going to say "50 copies", and it's technically not even a lie! |
| brENsKi 27.07.2013 02:46 |
thank you ^^^ my point exactly Brian's Wig - i think you misunderstand the point being made. if people can sell illegal bootleg crap in the first place, then they're more than capable of lying about the the "limited" quantity for sale...it's just words on one side of the disc - like "HUSTON" [sic] and it's NOT as if Ebay doesn't have a plethora of liars selling fake crap is it? |
| Robbe100 27.07.2013 03:17 |
Looks good , I don't buy picture vinyls anymore ,unless it is really just an album that is legit. But alot of picture vinyls are fake. |
| Marknow 27.07.2013 04:56 |
brENsKi wrote: like "HUSTON" It is strange how they spelled Houston correctly on the other side of the vinyl, I wonder did they purposely leave out the "o" on the other side because it wouldn't fit with the space they had left there. Anyway, I am interested in seeing the final selling price. |
| sexmachine 27.07.2013 07:52 |
most of the vinyl-boots that show up in europe are made in czech pressing plants, they don't ask questions. there has been a lot real shit stuff in the last decades, counterfeits of queen rarities like japanese iwia 7" promo, israel anato, cross 12", jazz and notw promos,electric fire. fakes to rip fans of, made by collectors to finance their own rarities. these things made me really angry. this thing is actually quite nice but way to expensive. it would be nice to have the complete houston gig as a nice double lp with colourful cover a la a night at the warehouse or a cool double vinyl of all the bbc seesions. and of course this is not an edition of 50. the production price for 50 or 500 records is nearly the same because the expensive stuff is not the vinyl, its the pressing "mother" stamp, the matrix that makes it expensive. i would recommend to wait till you find this record for a tenner on the next record fair. i am sure ebay will be flooded soon. |
| bootlegger 27.07.2013 10:14 |
dears.....it is possible to press that low numbers...not common. I know people who did that, just to keep them rare. And that are the real music lovers, collectors..just to swap/sale them to other 'friends'! To press numbers 300 up to 500..the most used quantities, That's what bootleggers from the 70's used to do. At least for the first pressings. By overdwelming demand, they get the grooves in pressings up to 1000, and even more.!! After the vinyl demise at the end of the 80's, bootleggers get their hands on the silvers discs. Many became milionaire, not only the producers as well the people on the streets, markets and mailorderfirms. The gema/buma and other autorities lost their interests in the vinyl producers, just to bust the cd bootleg world. Now, and ive read it before on posts here on this pages...a lot of crap is coming from the former eastern country's, as well the states,italy and russia. And it is even possible to press up to 1 piece for your own personal collection. At the moment there's also a guy selling 'one 100 copy's only,', near to the master, records...with stamped labels saying fe. 'queen at bradford', ..with simple one colour copied inserts. This are not really 'factory pressed' records..but one to one pressings. Not worth a penny, but he got away with it by unknown collectors. For me personally as a queen/ rock live collector..and not only queen , i must tell you,....the end of collecting of rare 'vintage' vinyl bootleg records ends at the 1986 area. As the collecting feeling diseapered with the internet markets, which make it very easy these days to get what you want....it's only the question what you're willing to pay for it. Where did the time go ...to go out to record fairs, record markets , or silently take a look in the boxes full of bootleg records underneath the counters of obscure recordshops?..IT'S THE HUNTING THAT COUNTS....!! |
| Marknow 27.07.2013 13:29 |
bootlegger wrote: Where did the time go ...to go out to record fairs, record markets , or silently take a look in the boxes full of bootleg records underneath the counters of obscure recordshops?..IT'S THE HUNTING THAT COUNTS....!! Could not agree more with you. In my city there used to be 3 dedicated second hand record stores and I live in a small city. Even the car boot sales rarely have vinyl any more. Been ten years or more since I got a good fix looking for records. The internet giveth but it also taketh away. |
| Thistle 27.07.2013 13:45 |
Marknow wrote:I LOVE hunting for records, and once turned my passion into a small business, albeit in a local indoor market. Vinyl was my top seller, even in the small run-down area I was trading in. CDs, DVDs, clothing, mugs etc.....it just didn't go.bootlegger wrote: Where did the time go ...to go out to record fairs, record markets , or silently take a look in the boxes full of bootleg records underneath the counters of obscure recordshops?..IT'S THE HUNTING THAT COUNTS....!!Could not agree more with you. In my city there used to be 3 dedicated second hand record stores and I live in a small city. Even the car boot sales rarely have vinyl any more. Been ten years or more since I got a good fix looking for records. The internet giveth but it also taketh away. I'm still into my hunting, though - and am lucky to have a mate who's ex British Rail, and who can travel - with companion - anywhere in Britain on the trains, so I regularly get to Edinburgh, Dundee, Aberdeen, Stirling, Newcastle, Leeds, Huddersfield, Manchester, Bolton and London. Occasionally, we'll nip down to a shop we've just discovered, whether it be Accrington, Scarborough, Sunderland or whatever. I really love doing that, but quite a few of the shops are stagnant and we get to know the stock as well as the prices quite quickly. Oh....and overrun with bootlegs too. Occasionally, there's a really juicy bootleg, but they're few and far between. |
| bootlegger 27.07.2013 18:09 |
sorry, little mistake...i mean a golders green,, in stead of bradford,.... record sold by freddieforeverrico...sold for hunderds....poor buyer..frdddieforeverrico has lots of this so called very rare records...beware!! |
| Thistle 27.07.2013 19:38 |
bootlegger wrote: sorry, little mistake...i mean a golders green,, in stead of bradford,.... record sold by freddieforeverrico...sold for hunderds....poor buyer..frdddieforeverrico has lots of this so called very rare records...beware!!freddieforeverrico = Terry Parker aka Queenbuyer, Neil Matumba, Terry Matumba, Carl Daly, Dailybargains, and a few others that escape me just now.... makes tonnes buying and selling Queen stuff. Has bought from me in the past. I don't think he's pressing these up himself, but he does get them in bulk from somewhere. Who knows where from, but he's getting them. He always gets super high prices for his items, and it's useless trying to sell something when he's selling it at the same time lol - I've seen me ending items at under a tenner when he's got bidding wars going on at over £60! I'm inclined to think he's bidding his own stuff up, tbh. The most I ever got for a bootleg was £180 - a "blue" Bo Rhap housed in the DJ95 sleeve. I paid about £5 for it, but noticed the one I bought had "blair" etched in, and was a decent colour of blue. I put it on eBay starting £9.99, saying it would make a nice project if someone wanted to print up labels as a novelty item. I never thought anymore about it, and when I logged in again a week later, I nearly fell off my seat when I saw the end price. Madness!! If only I could get more..... |
| bootlegger 28.07.2013 09:26 |
dear Boy1980, yep i think you're right..and he's not the only person bidding up on his own items...what do you think of a guy names mattlokey or something like that..or people who keeps there sales and buys 'private'. I can give you a list of people bidding on their own stuff... the idea behind all of this is is...the wont sell the items at the now time..but keep them up for a while...and try to sell them later on and want to see that people who missed the auctions ..with good prices....will pay the ultimate price. next time i wil give you names .... |
| Thistle 28.07.2013 13:33 |
^ yep, I've been saying it for years - they "sell" to themselves so others will think these items are worth more than they really are. AFAIC, Parker is the main culprit. The Mattlocke guy I've heard of, but don't follow his items as regularly, so really cannot comment on that. As for the "private" stuff - well dodgy lol!!! A list of others at it would be useful for us all! |
| Marknow 31.07.2013 09:49 |
Sold for EUR 64.90. Money for nothing! |