| Dust Biting 27.06.2013 07:38 |
Has anyone else here seen this version of the 1986 Budapest show? http://www.queenrecordings.com/dvd-list/1986/27.07.1986-budapest-hungary It claims to contain the complete footage of the show: " Complete video recording from Budapest 1986! On the official video the songs Another One Bites The Dust, Impromptu, Your So Square and Hello Mary Lou are not included and some songs are edited shorter. Also most of Freddie's speeches are edited out of the official video. Now we have the full version of every song. I think this recording comes from the Hungarian master tapes. It features 16 cams on one screen! The picture quality is not great, but still enjoyable. The sound quality is very enjoyable, but it sounds very dry. Freddie does some nice improvisation jam after Hello Mary Lou. The Hungarian volk song Tavasziszel is somehow featuring twice on this recording and there are a few long pauzes between some songs. Very interesting achievement of this legendary concert. Please note that the DVD has no chapters. It is one big track, so you can't skip through it. No copy errors. Not sourced from VCD/SVCD. " I've not seen this bootleg DVD myself. I had read in other Forum posts here that the reason that the Hungarian Rhapsody DVD/BD was the same footage as the original Live in Budapest VHS/LD release was because the original 'rushes' of the film had been lost and what was included on Hungarian Rhapsody was all the footage that remained. The existence of this bootleg DVD would appear to prove this wrong. If so, it's a shame that the opportunity to make the Hungarian Rhapsody DVD/BD a complete release of the show was not taken. |
| Doga 27.06.2013 07:56 |
This bootleg were circulating for years link It's nothing new. Is unknown were is the original footage not used in the film or even if still exist. |
| AB-88 27.06.2013 07:59 |
link |
| AB-88 27.06.2013 08:01 |
Ha, Doga's reply wasn't there when I replied. Weird we chose the exact same clip. lol |
| Dust Biting 27.06.2013 08:15 |
Fair do's! I guess this version was made when the original editing was happening to decide on the camera shots for the final cut. It's a pity they cut more than we would have liked. Now none of the original film exists - shame! |
| Gaabiizz 27.06.2013 13:52 |
Note that the full video will be re-released in a few years |
| Nitroboy 27.06.2013 20:17 |
I doubt that, they already spent a lot of time working on remastering it for Hungarian Rhapsody, they did what they could. The entire concert will never be seen in it's full length. |
| GT 28.06.2013 05:42 |
It's no secret that the missing footage from the original film were not used because they no longer exist, so the missing songs and other parts of the show were not re-instated for the latest DVD release. |
| rocknrolllover 28.06.2013 05:51 |
GT wrote: It's no secret that the missing footage from the original film were not used because they no longer exist, so the missing songs and other parts of the show were not re-instated for the latest DVD release.Yeah yeah QPL COULD BUY IT, BUT QPL WANTED GET IT FREE AND director said "Fuck you." |
| Mr.QueenFan 28.06.2013 09:14 |
GT wrote: It's no secret that the missing footage from the original film were not used because they no longer exist, so the missing songs and other parts of the show were not re-instated for the latest DVD release.You can only say that it no longer exists if QP did everything they could to find out about it. According to Miklos ( the guy who tracked down the original edit film in Budapest), not everything was made to make shure that the rest of the film was found. So, you cannot say it no longer exists because you cannot be shure about that. I'm pretty shure that the DVD is still great - having not seen it myself - but i'll never understand why QP are OK with the release of a product when they clearly did not make everything they could to make shure it was COMPLETE. Perhaps if Jim Beach was not in charge, maybe the story could be different. Not only for the Budapest release but for the last 10 years if incompetent decisions, and bad products. |
| MackMantilla 28.06.2013 09:53 |
So there migh be the possibility that the missing footage is still locked somewhere.. |
| Hangman_96 28.06.2013 10:26 |
I live in hope. |
| cmsdrums 28.06.2013 14:05 |
Not saying thats the case here, but QPL often get confused between "it doesn't exist", and "we don't have it in the archives". |
| cmsdrums 28.06.2013 14:06 |
cmsdrums wrote: Not saying that's the case here, but QPL often get confused between "it doesn't exist", and "we don't have it in the archives". |
| fr1986 29.06.2013 01:07 |
cmsdrums wrote: Not saying thats the case here, but QPL often get confused between "it doesn't exist", and "we don't have it in the archives".I hope that confussion also includes the knebworth park footage |
| Mkls 20.05.2019 17:10 |
Breaking news coming ! |
| Mkls 20.05.2019 17:24 |
there are reasons to be excited... details coming soon |
| Dust Biting 20.05.2019 17:49 |
After 6 YEARS of this thread being silent you're being a big tease... How soon is "soon" I wonder? You must be the man in the know! |
| cmi 20.05.2019 17:59 |
I hope it's about lost footage masters of Budapest 1986 show... not about Adam Lambert :) |
| pittrek 20.05.2019 18:28 |
Well if MIKLOS says you should be excited about something Budapest related, you bet you SHOULD be excited! |
| Chief Mouse 20.05.2019 18:31 |
Miklos wrote: there are reasons to be excited... details coming soonAlthough if Miklos says soon, it could also mean indefinitely *wink*. PM me, man :) |
| Mkls 20.05.2019 18:34 |
Chief - haha! i will finish the post today I promise ! |
| pittrek 20.05.2019 18:48 |
I just pissed my pants. Metaphorically, of course. |
| Mkls 20.05.2019 20:42 |
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| Mkls 20.05.2019 20:43 |
okay the short version for those who don't like reading: have the lost reels been found? short answer: nothing confirmed or denied, but the probability for good news is rising - |
| Mkls 20.05.2019 20:43 |
picture of the wooden warehouse! |
| Chief Mouse 20.05.2019 20:54 |
Thanks for sharing this info :) I wonder if we'd ever get to see the outtakes even if QP received them but at least there's a good chance they exist. |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 20.05.2019 21:32 |
I find it hard to believe that the footage was thrown away. Somebody somewhere must have it. |
| Mkls 20.05.2019 21:45 |
link watch this from 1:56- :3-00 just one basement of MaFilm offices, officially bomb shelter .. still filled with reels undocumented. |
| Dust Biting 21.05.2019 07:45 |
Thanks Miklos for the additional valuable info! You are right, it gives us hope and the thought of one day seeing a fully restored 4K version of the complete Budapest '86 show is tantalising. Keep pushing them for more info and let us know what the news is please. However, I suspect what will happen is that when QPL find out, they'll claim legal ownership of the film reels and request it for the archive where it will lay buried with the other treasures we have never seen. I hope I'm wrong. I wonder why I have become so cynical over the years? |
| eiricd 21.05.2019 13:26 |
Quite the development!!! I fear, whatever may turn up, that queen won’t bother with yet another release :/ |
| on my way up 21.05.2019 14:23 |
Thanks, Miklos! Glad you are on the case. Thanks in advance for keeping us up-to-date ;-) And my fingers are crossed that all Queen footage will be found. It is truly astounding footage and the complete show uncut would be a dream come true for me. It is THAT good! |
| on my way up 21.05.2019 14:55 |
eiricd wrote: Quite the development!!! I fear, whatever may turn up, that queen won’t bother with yet another release :/The last release was in 2012 so it's time for a rerelease :-) Brian isn't keen on releasing awesome soundboard recordings like the ones he has from NOTW and Crazy tour (which is a poor decision by him) BUT a TOP QUALITY FILM of Queen in Budapest.... he will want to release that! (and I'm glad he at least wants that). Must say to have a different edit and the complete show would be quite something!!! (as I said in my previous post ;-) |
| aristide1 21.05.2019 15:28 |
Assuming that the chemically unstable and improperly stored negative is still usable. And that the mentally unstable and improperly advised Brian is also usable. Strictly in terms of "lost and found" it is great that lost archive footage of our favorite band may exist. But is not clear how, why and who will fructify it. |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 21.05.2019 15:31 |
If they find the original film wheels would it also mean the concert would be in full wide screen and we would get more of the picture ? |
| matt z 21.05.2019 22:21 |
((**partial excitement!!!**))) This is GREAT news for film in general... as for this thread, this is positive news for Queen fans. |
| dysan 22.05.2019 08:00 |
Great research and fingers crossed. To be honest though, it's a shame it's this particular show though. Maybe it's just too familiar. I wonder if the off stage stuff is included? Some of that was amazing especially John's bit. |
| Mkls 22.05.2019 10:34 |
re> "Assuming that the chemically unstable and improperly stored negative is still usable." Thats why i wrote details also about the film "The Witness" where the film was shot in 1969, the outtakes were found and now restored in (reportedly near perfect) 4K and shown in Cannes festival archive cinema section - if the 1969 outtakes survived -in that crappy wooden warehouse- the last 20 years of improper storage, 1986 reels are probably have a good chance also - the 35mm film to digital transfer technique also radically improves every decade . |
| Mkls 22.05.2019 10:48 |
link thats the FilmLab... they are experts. |
| Mkls 22.05.2019 10:51 |
link only the reels are missing - restoration wont be a problem :) |
| Queenman!! 23.05.2019 19:34 |
on my way up wrote: Thanks, Miklos! Glad you are on the case. Thanks in advance for keeping us up-to-date ;-) And my fingers are crossed that all Queen footage will be found. It is truly astounding footage and the complete show uncut would be a dream come true for me. It is THAT good!—————————— Let’s not forget that Mafilm just shot the concert. The rest on the boat, soundcheck , reception etc was all shot by DORO who made a mess of their archive aswell. |
| cobohall 25.05.2019 11:28 |
Very interesting story, thanks Miklos! Always nice to see missing works turn up. Hopefully the concert will be restored. I see the restored version of "The Witness" will premier June 1 at Urania. Wish my Hungarian was better, it looks like a good film. The censored version scored 8.6 at IMDB. |
| Marlamir 25.05.2019 20:39 |
Those are probably the best news in few last years. I have fingers crossed. Would be amazing amount of unluck if those reels from this show wouldn't be there. I'm looking forward for next info. I allwyas believe that those tapes wasn't destroyed and its great to see i was right(maybe ofcourse). Is almost time for some other concert rellease and since qpl liked to rellease stuff there is quite some chance. Man i dont care how long it could take finnish work on those tapes, uncut budapest would be wet dream come true. But ofcourse the question is how healthy those tapes will be. |
| mrsparkle 25.05.2019 21:18 |
surely in good enough condition to be at least a new bonus feature on a Hungarian Rhapsody rerelease. Speaking of, I'm surprised qpl hasn't rereleased either Montreal or Budapest on the new 4K format, especially since Montreal got a 4k restoration |
| Killer_queenIII 26.05.2019 05:08 |
on my way up wrote: The last release was in 2012 so it's time for a rerelease :-) Brian isn't keen on releasing awesome soundboard recordings like the ones he has from NOTW and Crazy tour (which is a poor decision by him) BUT a TOP QUALITY FILM of Queen in Budapest.... he will want to release that! (and I'm glad he at least wants that). Must say to have a different edit and the complete show would be quite something!!! (as I said in my previous post ;-)He'll definitely want it. This is the Magic tour after all! I'll be honest, when I saw the title, I thought at 1st: "here we go again" Til I read Miklos' post. This sparked some long-forgotten hope for me. Judging from the picture, the warehouse doesn't look too old, I mean look at that door. Anyway, til then, as a favorite character of mine said: Wait and hope I guess (and QPL, if these footages ever come out of their vaults, PLEASE, OH PLEASE GOD get your shit together for this, though you probably won't) |
| Queenman!! 26.05.2019 11:30 |
double |
| Queenman!! 26.05.2019 11:30 |
cobohall wrote: Very interesting story, thanks Miklos! Always nice to see missing works turn up. Hopefully the concert will be restored. I see the restored version of "The Witness" will premier June 1 at Urania. Wish my Hungarian was better, it looks like a good film. The censored version scored 8.6 at IMDB.------------------------- I'm not sure but was the Hungarian RHapsody converted from PAL to NTSC? |
| Chief Mouse 26.05.2019 16:23 |
Queenman!! wrote:I believe the DVD was NTSC. Why?cobohall wrote: Very interesting story, thanks Miklos! Always nice to see missing works turn up. Hopefully the concert will be restored. I see the restored version of "The Witness" will premier June 1 at Urania. Wish my Hungarian was better, it looks like a good film. The censored version scored 8.6 at IMDB.------------------------- I'm not sure but was the Hungarian RHapsody converted from PAL to NTSC? |
| popy 26.05.2019 16:39 |
Queenman!! wrote:How film can be converted from PAL to NTSC? Film is not PAL nor NTSC.cobohall wrote: Very interesting story, thanks Miklos! Always nice to see missing works turn up. Hopefully the concert will be restored. I see the restored version of "The Witness" will premier June 1 at Urania. Wish my Hungarian was better, it looks like a good film. The censored version scored 8.6 at IMDB.1 ------------------------- I'm not sure but was the Hungarian RHapsody converted from PAL to NTSC? |
| Chief Mouse 26.05.2019 20:47 |
popy wrote:Indeed. So the blu ray is 23.976 fps. It was shot in 24 fps though but that's another discussion. Let's just say that the blu ray is nearly 24 fps and looks exactly the way it's supposed to :)Queenman!! wrote:How film can be converted from PAL to NTSC? Film is not PAL nor NTSC.cobohall wrote: Very interesting story, thanks Miklos! Always nice to see missing works turn up. Hopefully the concert will be restored. I see the restored version of "The Witness" will premier June 1 at Urania. Wish my Hungarian was better, it looks like a good film. The censored version scored 8.6 at IMDB.1 ------------------------- I'm not sure but was the Hungarian RHapsody converted from PAL to NTSC? |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 27.05.2019 15:24 |
I don't think the quality of the footage matters that much as long as it captured the movement of Freddie and the band. Colour and detail can also be added in in post production. They already have good footage of the stage and the band on the day which can be used to correct any damaged footage. |
| aristide1 03.06.2019 15:25 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: Colour and detail can also be added in in post production. They already have good footage of the stage and the band on the day which can be used to correct any damaged footage.I don't think we will see details added in movie post-production within our lifetime. Maybe until 2200 a supercomputer with an heuristic algorithm accessing a superdatabase of billions of hours of recorded reality (including "the good footage of the stage and the band on that day") will be able to produce such an enhancement. Hopefully, by that time robots will run the world and idiots like you will be extinct. But unfortunately for Queen fans, the robots will probably prefer Tangerine Dream or Kraftwerk. |
| Dust Biting 04.06.2019 07:47 |
"But unfortunately for Queen fans, the robots will probably prefer Tangerine Dream or Kraftwerk" - HA HA! Love the irony! Remember folks that no original film reels have as yet been found, just an old rickety shed where they *could* have been thrown. We await news from Miklos... Queenman stated earlier that DORO had made a mess of their archive too and I'd always wondered why none of their footage (e.g. the stuff at Knebworth) was used in the 'A Magic Year' documentary included in the original Hungarian Rhapsody DVD 2012 release. Has anyone got more information on what happened on with the DORO archive, or has that already been discussed on another long-forgotten forum discussion? |
| Queenman!! 04.06.2019 12:01 |
Any news Miklos? |
| Queenman!! 04.06.2019 12:08 |
Dust Biting wrote: "But unfortunately for Queen fans, the robots will probably prefer Tangerine Dream or Kraftwerk" - HA HA! Love the irony! Remember folks that no original film reels have as yet been found, just an old rickety shed where they *could* have been thrown. We await news from Miklos... Queenman stated earlier that DORO had made a mess of their archive too and I'd always wondered why none of their footage (e.g. the stuff at Knebworth) was used in the 'A Magic Year' documentary included in the original Hungarian Rhapsody DVD 2012 release. Has anyone got more information on what happened on with the DORO archive, or has that already been discussed on another long-forgotten forum discussion?------------------------------- it seems they have the same problem as QP before Brooks became archivist. A lot of mislabelled, missing and other tapes. Besides that QP has to pay a commission for using DORO stuff. |
| bucsateflon 04.06.2019 16:33 |
nothing but hype |
| Marlamir 04.06.2019 16:48 |
@bucsateflon Just wait, it can take months to find these tapes. |
| Killer_queenIII 05.06.2019 02:16 |
Check back in a few months then. |
| cobohall 14.09.2019 16:34 |
Short article about Queen in Budapest in 1986. Includes an interesting story from László Hegedus, a Hungarian involved in the organization of the event. link |