QueenZone discussion #1346713
Is this the real life... Is this just fantasy?
| John S Stuart 15.05.2013 19:11 |
Queenzone poll time: Seven Seas of Rhye (minus Roy Thomas Baker). Genuine or fake? link |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 19:21 |
Don't Know but i say yes sounds amazing anyway Except as it goes of course for the ending, so it must have meant to be a live rehearsal in studio everyone playing together performance? |
| John S Stuart 15.05.2013 19:22 |
Queen fan wrote: Don't Know but i say yes sounds amazing anyway Except as it goes of course for the ending, so it must have meant to be a live rehearsal in studio everyone playing together performance? Yes what?! |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 19:23 |
John S Stuart wrote: Queenzone poll time: Seven Seas of Rhye (minus Roy Thomas Baker). Genuine or fake? linkcan i ask why do you have that creatures of the night quote Freestone said Freddie never even recorded a demo for that, do you think he did? |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 19:25 |
John S Stuart wrote:yes it a rockier Brian may let loose version of Seven seas of Rhye, presumably not with Roy Thomas baker as you posed the question.Queen fan wrote: Don't Know but i say yes sounds amazing anyway Except as it goes of course for the ending, so it must have meant to be a live rehearsal in studio everyone playing together performance?Yes what?! Baker was on holiday wasn't he? as was john Anthony at some point so maybe it is the first version sound to e they already had written the body of the song as per queen 1 they already had most of the main body of the song even before queen 1 then at that stage but left only a taster because they were trying out how to end it ready for queen 2 as they had not got the ending perfected yet so they were tring things out like the thing you posted but then re listened to what they had put on queen one and settled from that outré style which informed their musical choices of the lead up to to that outré |
| tcc 15.05.2013 20:04 |
It sounds genuine. |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 20:12 |
i have just re listened to it and now i think it is fake someone else fiddled with the ending someone who has nothing to do with queen |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 20:13 |
Queen fan wrote: i have just re listened to it and now i think it is fake someone else fiddled with the ending someone who has nothing to do with queenthey even try to impersonate Freddie's voice speak and john rogers or Brian's fooled me first hearing but on second hearing it was like you had changed the file almost it was so obvious it was not them. |
| waunakonor 15.05.2013 20:16 |
It's totally real! That ending is the exact same as the one that appears on the "Instrumental Mix" of SSoR on Queen II's 2011 remaster bonus tracks. It's also freaking sweet. Nice to hear that funky ending along with the vocals. |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 20:18 |
are you sure? the guitar sounds terrible , amateurish on second hearing its out of time also in parts you can hear where the fake band come in and that snipped of conversational at the very end is laughable listen again! there is a fake bassist fake guitarist and fake drummer playing on it and over it hope i am not wrong though oh dear that would be funny. but i am sure there are some shenanigans going on here. |
| waunakonor 15.05.2013 20:26 |
I'm not positive, so don't quote me on this, but I believe that the original song was recorded a little bit lower and then the pitch was raised, so that's probably the explanation for the weird out-of-tune heavy guitar chords. As for the conversation stuff, that's just studio chatter and it also in fact appears on the Instrumental Mix of SSoR. I believe this whole thing is basically just the Instrumental Mix with the vocals over it, so it's not a real demo, but it is really Queen. |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 20:30 |
waunakonor wrote: I'm not positive, so don't quote me on this, but I believe that the original song was recorded a little bit lower and then the pitch was raised, so that's probably the explanation for the weird out-of-tune heavy guitar chords. As for the conversation stuff, that's just studio chatter and it also in fact appears on the Instrumental Mix of SSoR. I believe this whole thing is basically just the Instrumental Mix with the vocals over it, so it's not a real demo, but it is really Queen.even if they got studio chatter at the end which i thought was not Freddie even if they had that they could still be fakes playing over it |
| Queen fan 15.05.2013 20:36 |
ON NO!! your right it is real i just listened to it in the remasters LOL well it shows the difference between practice and finished! |
| The Real Wizard 16.05.2013 01:05 |
John S Stuart was right again? No kidding. Those pesky collectors, always up to no good, always hoarding and never sharing... |
| GT 16.05.2013 01:42 |
What are you all talking about? Of course it is real - the instrumental with this ending was included on the Island Bonus EP of the 2011 Digital Remaster of the 'Queen II' CD. The ending to this track was the first time it had been released and was taken from the original multitracks. |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 02:57 |
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| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 03:02 |
Thanks to GT for killing this game early. Next time I will exclude GT & GB from playing! Yes; this is indeed a fan-mix. It is therefore NOT genuine. (Thank you to ...), I will let the rightfull creator take a bow if s/he desires. So if s/he can create a fake-mix; and I marry that to a fake vinyl like this: link I wonder what the bastard love child would be? |
| tcc 16.05.2013 03:28 |
Queen fan wrote: are you sure? the guitar sounds terrible , amateurish on second hearing its out of time also in parts you can hear where the fake band come in and that snipped of conversational at the very end is laughable listen again! there is a fake bassist fake guitarist and fake drummer playing on it and over it hope i am not wrong though oh dear that would be funny. but i am sure there are some shenanigans going on here.Ha ha ha. If you are nice to me, I will delete this quote and let you revise your comments. Ha ha ha |
| tomchristie22 16.05.2013 06:15 |
tcc wrote:I somehow doubt he cares. He's not normalQueen fan wrote: are you sure? the guitar sounds terrible , amateurish on second hearing its out of time also in parts you can hear where the fake band come in and that snipped of conversational at the very end is laughable listen again! there is a fake bassist fake guitarist and fake drummer playing on it and over it hope i am not wrong though oh dear that would be funny. but i am sure there are some shenanigans going on here.Ha ha ha. If you are nice to me, I will delete this quote and let you revise your comments. Ha ha ha |
| waunakonor 16.05.2013 09:07 |
Wait...GT says almost exactly what I said and then he get credit for getting the right answer? This game is obviously rigged. I quit. |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 10:08 |
waunakonor wrote: Wait...GT says almost exactly what I said and then he get credit for getting the right answer? This game is obviously rigged. I quit.Well of course it is rigged my dear... the whole point of the game was to demonstrate two points... One: Reverse engineering (or fanmixing to sound like it) is do-able. Two: Fake Vinyl's are also do-able: http://www.picture-disc.co.uk/QUEEN-QUEEN-AT-LIVE-AID Therefore = Buyer beware. The economics are simple really. Pick a third world country of your choice. (India, Eastern Europe, China et al). Press 200 fake vinyl's. Pay about £200 in all (£2.00 per unit). Now the really clever bit... Destroy 198 of these discs. They are not important. Just collateral damage. Do not recycle. Do not keep. Do not pass to friends. Destroy at all costs! Keep one. Sell the other for c £1000. = tidy round profit of around £800. Not bad for a day's work. But you do win a consolation prize... a night of passion at my house with the partner of your choice. Will that be compensation enough? |
| GratefulFan 16.05.2013 12:02 |
Is this series meant to obliquely prove that the recent acetate on ebay was fake? Given the fact that the owner put up a defence and provided some detailed information on it and was never engaged by those implying it is fake, would having that discussion not be a better and more illustrative approach? Saying something over and over in 10 different ways is not a measure of fact of truth. Though I understand the appeal of the tactic as it certainly worked for your interests on the demonizing of David Fuller. |
| GratefulFan 16.05.2013 12:07 |
The Real Wizard wrote: John S Stuart was right again? No kidding. Those pesky collectors, always up to no good, always hoarding and never sharing...Right about what?(!) He hadn't even made any assertion by the time of your post. People really, really have to be attuned to the way various authorities are established on these boards. Knowledge authorities, truth authorities etc. You and fairness and honesty have a pretty corrupt relationship on some fronts. |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 12:12 |
(Un) grateful fan... Truthfully; it was an intended slice of humour to lighten the place. I thought it may run for a day or two. I did not forsee that Mr. Taylor would kill the game so quickly. After that; I hi-jacked my own thread. As for Mr. Fuller, he has a (deserved) reputation lower than rattlesnake piss. You see; I really don't care what you or your other four famous friends think . I really don't care what Mr. Fukker thinks - because he and I know the real truth. Not some Scooby-Doo make-believe sanitised version of it. Let me say that again. Especially for you - Nancy Drew... David and I (among OTHERS) know the REAL truth. You do NOT. So butt OUT, and keep submitting your conspiracy theories to the "Nutjob Monthly". David; Funny how you have never surfaced to defend yourself, and seem to have all these minions around to spin what actually happened in a fashion even Goebbels would have been proud of. I am fed up with all this pussyfooting around. Why don't you be a man 'fess up and tell the nice lady the truth... or are you such a low-life scum that you would hide behind surrogate mom's petticoat tails... boo... hoo.. hoo... F*cking pussy... Why not face me mano et mano - eyeball to eyeball. But you can't play because we are one man short for that game - aren't we! Is that strong enough for you? Disneyland, Disneyland by Christ, it's like bloody Mary Poppins world around here... So here's some good old Robbie Burns for the teacher... Always remember, never, ever forget, For all your heirs and graces, Your arsehole smells the same as mine. |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 12:14 |
I apologise; F*cking, thieving, criminal pussy now though... isn't it? |
| GratefulFan 16.05.2013 12:33 |
Of course some decent evidence from the accusers would do too. That's how reasonable societies generally work. If that's not possible either stop bringing it up, or expect reminders of how thin and unsupportable the public case has been. If you've been victimized by Fuller then you have all my empathy, and my capacity for empathy is significant. But sometimes prosecutors can't make their case and when that happens it may be frustrating, but it's a vital part of being a decent human being to understand we have standards of proof for a reason. The fact remains that on the one track you made a case for last year, Fuller's explanation made as much sense if not more than yours. You have plenty of people who have been willing to mob convict Fuller on your say so and reputation. I don't question your reputation, but I certainly question your objectivity and that of others based on observation. If I were you I'd let your mostly successful hate campaign against the man be victory enough and let it go. Because I can't let it go when you don't. It's not about Fuller - I'd do it for anybody being mobbed for any reason on this kind of utterly thin and utterly inadequate evidence. |
| shannaschaffer 16.05.2013 12:46 |
John, I'm also curious about the "creatures of the night" quote in your signature. Would you share why you use that or is to tease ? Thanks. |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 12:53 |
Listen here to me Miss Poppins-off... You are the fascist in here. You are the one Big Brother. (Indeed, you do have bigger balls than Fukker - I'll give you that one for free). Just a few simple questions if I may? What have you ever contributed in here other than persistent drip-feed negativity? Have you ever contributed anything positive? An upload? A photo? A smiley face :-)? A thank-you? A "well that was a nice thought"? A "what decent and kind a word that was"? Or at the very least... "I disagree with you, but I do think you may have a germ of a point.." NOTHING EVER!!!!!! What is your Native American name? Three Horses? (Nag, nag, nag). I find you to be a Sanctimonious, self-righteous, condescending, pretentious tw*t to be honest. Capitalism? You eat don't you? Go look up the "Dying children in Africa clock..." Now are you really going to starve yourself to death to give them your food? You really think they give two flying monkeys if they hear Hangman or not? "trickle down effect..." Yes; well why not get off you fat butt and do something to save the world rather than lash out because you are an envious green eyed monster consumed with hate and fear? Fear that you will miss something; and hate it because it has passed you. Does this reflect your whole life - or just your inflated internet persona? We are all experts from an armchair, but real leaders lead from the front, and make decisions not based on action replays... but; then again, look at me, here I am arguing with a faceless, nameless avatar, who is all too happy to snipe in the dark... |
| GratefulFan 16.05.2013 13:00 |
If one is going to argue unpopular points against the grain one can't expect to be liked or understood by everyone. That is implicit in the priority set. I understand why you would have those views of me and I accept them, with grace. Others will see me differently, and that is the richness of life. |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 13:21 |
GratefulFan wrote: Of course some decent evidence from the accusers would do too. That's how reasonable societies generally work. If that's not possible either stop bringing it up, or expect reminders of how thin and unsupportable the public case has been. If you've been victimized by Fuller then you have all my empathy, and my capacity for empathy is significant. But sometimes prosecutors can't make their case and when that happens it may be frustrating, but it's a vital part of being a decent human being to understand we have standards of proof for a reason. The fact remains that on the one track you made a case for last year, Fuller's explanation made as much sense if not more than yours. You have plenty of people who have been willing to mob convict Fuller on your say so and reputation. I don't question your reputation, but I certainly question your objectivity and that of others based on observation. If I were you I'd let your mostly successful hate campaign against the man be victory enough and let it go. Because I can't let it go when you don't. It's not about Fuller - I'd do it for anybody being mobbed for any reason on this kind of utterly thin and utterly inadequate evidence.You have missed the point completely... is that deliberate? I said butt out... This has nothing to do with you. David is a cheat, a thief and a liar. He was the one who was committing the illegal activity. Not ME!!! As for your "probing"... it's not probing, its prying, it's disgusting, and it is painfully (for me) self-serving on your part. I will humour you one last time. The Fanthology has a NAS. Everything uploaded is logged in. Everything downloaded is logged out. When downloaded, each separate download was "watermarked" - that may be the wrong word as I am not PC literate - but you get the gist. David knew the rules before he joined. Xmas 2011 he uploaded an unreleased Brian May track to QZ. He denied downloading it - but it was downloaded in his name, to his PC ISP. (We were rather few). He then uploaded to QZ a USSR video. Again; he denied the download. So I cut and pasted all his upload and download logs and asked him to explain. He at that point cut us off. But I invited him back partially out of fear (see below) and I guess a sense of - well everyone deserves a second chance. I too have a conscience. But fool me once - shame on you . Shame me twice - shame on me. (Praise the Lord - but pass the ammo!). On the third track (Roger Taylor) only his track had a skip glitch. You see everyone else in the fanthology has the track WITHOUT the glitch! It was a baited trap if you like. He didn't know that - you didn't know that, but I knew it (oh and eventually he found that out too after it was too late for him). FACT: Everyone in the Fanthology has that track without any snap, crackle or pop - perfect. The only version in the WORLD with that "deliberate glitch" (or water mark) was Mr. Fucker's version... and guess what was shared, and from his ISP address? He cannot blame a big boy - because we all live in different countries! Of course he still tried to deny it saying he did not get it from us - but his download log proves differently. I am a nice sod; I invited him back. He even used the old blackmailer's threat that "if we ratted him out he would release even more..." (Which he has followed through with by the way). That's not altruism. That's spite. It's like raping a child once, then re-enforcing the act again afterwards because (in the child's mind) "if you tell about me this time... I will tell about you last time". It's a self perpetuating hurt. Not the rarities - I can replace those - but what he did; how he bit the very hand that fed him... He is an evil, conniving, con-artist... perhaps you were made for each other. Perhaps you need to save the unsaveable. But please get off your cross and take your Jesus act elsewhere. That is a rough gist. Pick at it all you like three-horses, but I feel somewhat liberated, because although he did squeeze me hard enough to make my eyes water at the time. I have recovered. I have even more rarities now; so I am above his petty blackmail. Release the lot Davie boy... sell it on Davie boy... but I will make damn sure he never ever sees another rarity if I can help it; and if anyone out there is thinking of swapping with him... he is a cobra who will suck you in and spit you out. To paraphrase: Give a man a rarity... and he can have a rarity for a day or too. Teach a man how to find a rarity - he will have them for life... David Fuckker... yesterday's sh*t-paper. Yesterday's news reduced to selling what was never his... So grow-up and move on... PS: Feel free to contribute at any time Mr No Balls! I |
| Holly2003 16.05.2013 13:28 |
GF contributes lots to the forum. You can only see that though if you judge the value of someone's contribution on more than how many rarities they have. "I have more rarities now" Good for you ... |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 13:57 |
Holly GTF. You too are now just stirring it. This was never about rarities as well you know. This was always about some small time scrote who wanted his 15 minutes. He got it. Next please... A tip for life. Find what you enjoy - do it more often. Find what you dislike - do it less. If you really believe I am as shallow as you just made me out to be; you too GTF! |
| Holly2003 16.05.2013 14:26 |
John S Stuart wrote: Holly GTF. You too are now just stirring it. This was never about rarities as well you know. This was always about some small time scrote who wanted his 15 minutes. He got it. Next please... A tip for life. Find what you enjoy - do it more often. Find what you dislike - do it less. If you really believe I am as shallow as you just made me out to be; you too GTF! You're the one blabbing on about rarities, not me. I don't need any tips in enjoying life from people as anal as you are about silly little pieces of paper and vinyl. Stick to what you know John. |
| waunakonor 16.05.2013 14:31 |
John S Stuart wrote: This was never about rarities as well you know.If it was never about rarities, then just show us what you have, as you clearly don't care about them. If you just do that, then this whole problem may be over with, or at least irrelevant. I have inside info. informing me that it might even make some people happy. John S Stuart wrote: What have you ever contributed in here other than persistent drip-feed negativity? Have you ever contributed anything positive? An upload? A photo? A smiley face :-)? A thank-you? A "well that was a nice thought"? A "what decent and kind a word that was"? Or at the very least... "I disagree with you, but I do think you may have a germ of a point.." NOTHING EVER!!!!!!LOL! You kid! I have most certainly seen her upload photos, use smiley faces, say "Thank you," and concede that you may have a point. The post right above your's was doing exactly that, saying that although you may be right, you should probably just let the whole thing go. John S Stuart wrote: "trickle down effect..." Yes; well why not get off you fat butt and do something to save the world rather than lash out because you are an envious green eyed monster consumed with hate and fear? Fear that you will miss something; and hate it because it has passed you. Does this reflect your whole life - or just your inflated internet persona? We are all experts from an armchair, but real leaders lead from the front, and make decisions not based on action replays... but; then again, look at me, here I am arguing with a faceless, nameless avatar, who is all too happy to snipe in the dark...Don't mean to sound like brENsKi here, but now you just sound like a cunt. Are you honestly saying that you're "saving the world?" Because by the looks of it all you're doing is paying lots of money for stuff and then whining when it ends up not being an investment that benefits you in every way. Also, some of you people seem to have the notion that you need to go out of your way to do stuff about it in order to hear the rarities. That's just silly. I would like to hear some of this shit, and I'd probably be willing to pay for it, but there are a couple problems. 1: I really don't have any money, and probably won't have much to burn anytime soon. 2: I'm spending a lot of my time right now working toward what I want to do in the future, which doesn't have much to do with buying music all the time, and working on what I am passionate about. Yet, I'd still like to be able to hear some interesting stuff from my favorite band, and I don't appreciate the notion that I have to specifically work up to it in order get what I would have anyway if anyone had any respect for people. If being a member of the "Fanthology" would involve sucking up to other members, I would prefer spending my time sucking up to people who are really going to change my life. Finally, way to call GratefulFan "a faceless, nameless avatar, who is all too happy to snipe in the dark..." even though that perfectly describes you, other than the fact that you have a name. |
| Supersonic_Man89 16.05.2013 15:28 |
(Starts eating popcorn and sipping on coke through straw)) |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 16:06 |
First of all I agree that this thread has descended into a muck-fight far too fast and far too deep. That is just as much my fault as anyone else. But I am fed up with the constant whining and belittling barbs being thrown at almost every opportunity. (And I don't just mean at me). This place is a hive of negativity. The second guessing. The accusations, the snide remarks; what is going on here? I Am a cunt - I know that; but at least my self acknowledgement means that I am aware of my own shortcomings - without having to compensate by up-casting the flaws of others. In the end we all become cannibals when the food runs out... Holly: "GF contributes lots to the forum." Good point, well made, why not leave it there? Why the additional snide: "You can only see that though if you judge the value of someone's contribution on more than how many rarities they have... I have more rarities now... Good for you ... " Totally out of context from what I meant (I meant I feel liberated from the shackles of Fuller's shadow); and making me sound as hollow Kevin Bacon's character of the same name? I do take that as a needless personal insult to be thought of as that shallow... especially from someone who should know better. Waunakonor: Of course I am not saving the world. I guess my carbon footprint as big as yours (or vice versa) etc, but my point is we are all humans with weaknesses and foibles and that "people in glass houses should not throw stones", (let him without sin and all that stuff). So if I write for example "Better to be a werewolf on the outside... how belittling and condescending it is to receive "fortune cookie" as a reply. I am annoyed that Fuller is releasing these rarities; but that's life. The actual copyright music is not mine - but it is not his either - so it's the attitude that I am fair game (or that somehow I deserve it; or that I am some sort of elitist ) or that David is some philanthropic charitable Robin Hood; when in actual fact he is a spiteful and vindictive person. The point is I do not know of any other way to say this without sounding bitter sweet. So bitter sweet it is then. Do I feel stupid - yes. Did I do anything wrong - No. Would I do the same again - yes; But that is because I do trust people first. Am I over it - yes. Are the rarities important - No - there will always be more; so it's not the physical I lament; it's the bullshit package it came wrapped in. The betrayal of trust, the backstabbing for monetary gain, it's all the false niceties; just fake plastic crap - and that is just not me - nor can I be done with it. Grateful Fan: You want to save someone from a lynch mob (itself a worthy cause) then get all the facts first. If I feel uncomfortable sharing those facts - do not poke about. It is not your business. It is between me and Fuller. He has a mouth; he can defend himself. Maybe you have latched on to his cause because of his absence - but have you ever thought that absence may be out of guilt? Have you ever thought you were being played? Have you ever thought how unjust it feels to be "the victim" and get either get off your cross, ha, ha, ha, as your standard reply? Maybe I don't want to talk about it. Maybe you should respect my right to privacy and to keep things to me. Maybe I do not want to air my dirty laundry in public - especially by you (or anyone else). Those who jumped on the Fuller bandwagon did not do so because of me. Most were witnesses who were there, at the time, and experienced it first hand. That is a big difference from the rabid mob you present. As for my removing mails - I said some vitriolic stuff back then - some of that was against you - which I thought better of on reflection; so I took it down. That is not a sign of weakness - it's a sign of "OK I went too far there, so I will retract what I say", but hey, that's what we cunts do. As to everyone else? I uploaded the above link and what do I find? Plays:319 Vs. discussion less than 20 posts. That means if everyone downloaded x3 = c100 freeloaders who did not even acknowledge a thank you... my point is that it says more the average Qz'er than it does me. Queenzone is full of leeches and moaners - I can accept that - but I do not need to like it. It does have some really good people in here, but it also takes out the worst in people also. |
| scottmax 16.05.2013 17:15 |
ouch...... Has anyone heard from Fuller recently? |
| Fireplace 16.05.2013 17:25 |
John, you're becoming delusional now. Why the blazes do you think I would download a track that is (as we know now) an admitted fake? I listened to it, as did probably just about everyone else, decided I am not in the same league as you are where Queen-rarities are concerned, and declined to give my uneducated and therefore useless guess. If that makes me a leecher and a moaner, fine. I came here to "leech" Queen-news from people more knowledgeable than I am, not someones rarities. Please have the site administrator open you a dedicated "Rarities-War" thread and leave the rest of us to leech and moan in peace. While I certainly acknowledge your immense contribution to this forum, right now I'm starting to feel like an uncomfortable witness to a domestic dispute that is none of my business. Have you stopped to think that the resentment you feel towards us leechers and moaners might be mutual when it comes to flooding the forum with private wars? |
| Thistle 16.05.2013 18:20 |
I don't know fully the extent of what has been going down here (until just the other day, I had NO idea was Fanthology was), but I've picked up the gist. Now, tbh, I've NEVER trusted Fuller. Why? Because he nonchalantly shared stuff that others would maybe have had to brokered for - not just among the Queen community here on QZ - but in a viral sense on YouTube. A lot of people here have bought into the notion that he is the "digital boxset" and have been grateful for some of the rarities he's posted on YT and here on QZ. However, a lot of it was, to be fair, widely circulated: the odd "real" rarity he offered was just a lure to make people think he had more than he actually had. He was building up a reputation as a big-hitter, with connections to the best of the best. He was then making out that he was a sharing type of guy. "Robin Hood" is an apt term. In reality, it seems, he's blagged his way into a circle of real big-hitters, and reaped the rewards. Now, I know John, and respect him. I have spoken with him many times, and know that he has some real beauties in his rarity collection. How he came to have them or how much money changed hands in getting them has nothing to do with me, QZ or anyone else - that's his business. Technically speaking, John shouldn't really have the majority of the files/tapes or whatever he has, either (it was not up to his original sources to be passing off the material in the first place) - but, at the end of the day, we shouldn't have the stuff we have. No matter how it was obtained. But we're happy when it arrives - for free, and without really giving anything back. And some of us think we have a RIGHT to the stuff. Truth is, nobody, except QPL, has - regardless of whether it will be officially released or not. Anyway, getting back to topic: regardless of the morality issue, the fanthology members were trading amongst themselves, which is up to them, and nobody should feel pissed off at that. However, it seemed more than apparent that, if there should ever have been an issue of trust within the group, then Fuller would be at the heart of it. He was always going to be the guy who ran off with the stash. A foolish move letting him be involved, AFAIC. John (with all the respect in the world to him) has been nipped, and there should be a lesson learned from that. But, at the end of the day, I can see what's pissing him off: it's not the loss of the rarities to someone else - it's the manner in which Fuller ended up with the loot in the first place (gratis) and what he's doing with it now (profiteering). |
| Thistle 16.05.2013 18:26 |
May I also add that, whilst JSS may be happy to pay or trade with someone else for a rarity, he doesn't actually then try and profit from it the way Fuller has. John has shared a lot here, and now it appears he's being turned on for being pissed off at what Fuller is doing. Shocking QZ, absolutely shocking..... |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 19:02 |
waunakonor wrote:John S Stuart wrote: This was never about rarities as well you know.If it was never about rarities, then just show us what you have, as you clearly don't care about them. If you just do that, then this whole problem may be over with, or at least irrelevant. I have inside info. informing me that it might even make some people happy. Sorry; I am not the only member of the Fanthology (or even QZ for that matter) who has received hate mail and death threats in their PM's. It's not nice - and you never get used to it. Look at all the Fuss and bother Hangman created. So sorry Knocando. Your individual request is reasonable; but as soon as I say there is a Queen version of "Blow Me!" everyone and his dog wants a piece of it. It's just human nature. I just do not need the hassle.John S Stuart wrote: What have you ever contributed in here other than persistent drip-feed negativity? Have you ever contributed anything positive? An upload? A photo? A smiley face :-)? A thank-you? A "well that was a nice thought"? A "what decent and kind a word that was"? Or at the very least... "I disagree with you, but I do think you may have a germ of a point.." NOTHING EVER!!!!!!LOL! You kid! I have most certainly seen her upload photos, use smiley faces, say "Thank you," and concede that you may have a point. The post right above your's was doing exactly that, saying that although you may be right, you should probably just let the whole thing go. Fair point; but it takes two to tango; and I cannot let it go as long as I feel my nose is "being rubbed" in it on a daily basis. The thing about bullying is that it is a perception, and I perceive a lot of hostility in this room (not only directed at me btw).John S Stuart wrote: "trickle down effect..." Yes; well why not get off you fat butt and do something to save the world rather than lash out because you are an envious green eyed monster consumed with hate and fear? Fear that you will miss something; and hate it because it has passed you. Does this reflect your whole life - or just your inflated internet persona? We are all experts from an armchair, but real leaders lead from the front, and make decisions not based on action replays... but; then again, look at me, here I am arguing with a faceless, nameless avatar, who is all too happy to snipe in the dark...Don't mean to sound like brENsKi here, but now you just sound like a cunt. Are you honestly saying that you're "saving the world?" Nope: Never even thought it. If other's want to save the world be my guest; but get off the sofa and do something constructive; do not sit and shout at a PC monitor! Because by the looks of it all you're doing is paying lots of money for stuff and then whining when it ends up not being an investment that benefits you in every way. No; not at all; completely false. I am not in it for the investment. I have freely donated to financial Queen transactions without any thought of ownership. I like Queen. If I want to pay £200 for a CD that is my choice. What harm is there in that; but in here it is on a par with the Great Train Robbery - or that's what it feels like. It feels like I am always the one on the back foot, needing to justify my every move. Also, some of you people seem to have the notion that you need to go out of your way to do stuff about it in order to hear the rarities. That's just silly. Agreed... I would like to hear some of this shit, and I'd probably be willing to pay for it, but there are a couple problems. 1: I really don't have any money, and probably won't have much to burn anytime soon. 2: I'm spending a lot of my time right now working toward what I want to do in the future, which doesn't have much to do with buying music all the time, and working on what I am passionate about. Yet, I'd still like to be able to hear some interesting stuff from my favorite band, and I don't appreciate the notion that I have to specifically work up to it in order get what I would have anyway if anyone had any respect for people. If being a member of the "Fanthology" would involve sucking up to other members, I would prefer spending my time sucking up to people who are really going to change my life. There is no sucking up in Fanthology. I am the least of it's members and I am honoured to be part of their company. It really is a distribution of equals. But it is not my club. I am not the leader of the gang as it were... these are people who are proud to love Queen... and to "meet" without hassle; it's not about wealth. Some members are poorer than I, some far wealthier; some provide advice and support... so in that sense it is a true ubiquitous brotherhood. A brotherhood whom David Fuller tried to roll over, but in the end it made us stronger. Certainly no sucking up involved!! Finally, way to call GratefulFan "a faceless, nameless avatar, who is all too happy to snipe in the dark..." even though that perfectly describes you, other than the fact that you have a name. NO: GO BACK AND RE-READ. Perhaps the rest of the UK do not fully understand self-deprecating humour. The WHO I was referring to was myself in the first person and NOT GF in the third. |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 19:03 |
shannaschaffer wrote: John, I'm also curious about the "creatures of the night" quote in your signature. Would you share why you use that or is to tease ? Thanks.It is not a tease. No siree Bob. I have never made any references to this being queen linked... But I will let you google for the surprise ;-) |
| inu-liger 16.05.2013 19:08 |
John S Stuart wrote:Shanna is not a "young man", JSS. And she probably missed your other reply in the sea of vile polluting the boards, so please cut her some slack. She's not trying to troll you, I can vouch for that.shannaschaffer wrote: John, I'm also curious about the "creatures of the night" quote in your signature. Would you share why you use that or is to tease ? Thanks.Honestly; learn to read young man, learn to read... |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 19:16 |
inu-liger wrote:John S Stuart wrote:shannaschaffer wrote: John, I'm also curious about the "creatures of the night" quote in your signature. Would you share why you use that or is to tease ? Thanks.Honestly; learn to read young man, learn to read... |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 19:35 |
Fireplace wrote: John, you're becoming delusional now. Why the blazes do you think I would download a track that is (as we know now) an admitted fake? I listened to it, as did probably just about everyone else, decided I am not in the same league as you are where Queen-rarities are concerned, and declined to give my uneducated and therefore useless guess. If that makes me a leecher and a moaner, fine. I came here to "leech" Queen-news from people more knowledgeable than I am, not someones rarities. Please have the site administrator open you a dedicated "Rarities-War" thread and leave the rest of us to leech and moan in peace. While I certainly acknowledge your immense contribution to this forum, right now I'm starting to feel like an uncomfortable witness to a domestic dispute that is none of my business. Have you stopped to think that the resentment you feel towards us leechers and moaners might be mutual when it comes to flooding the forum with private wars?Thanks for the reality check. right now I'm starting to feel like an uncomfortable witness to a domestic dispute that is none of my business. That pretty much sums up my whole QZ experience at the moment... My resentment is focused against Judas Iscariot figures who portray themselves in a Robin Hood mould. At least being a werewolf on the outside is honest in it's appearance. Read James mail above. It's all about betrayal, and being bitten by a mad-dog; About how one person can get so much for free - then go and rip off the remainder of his fellow Queen community; and to top it off, the outside world views it as a loveable dog with sad puppy eyes. So yes I do get annoyed when he is defended. I feel like saying there is so much going on behind the scenes - but everyone is an expert. The leeches I was referring to is nobody gives a damn and will suck up to Fuller until his tits run dry; then he will be discarded like a used condom. But I agree; I do not want this laundered in public; but for some reason I seem to be living in a groundhog day, as it is others who keep interrupting with stupid assumptions. Sorry; but it rips my knitting! |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 19:41 |
James: Thanks for the support. You are absolutely correct. It's not about discs, or monies or costs. It's about the sleekit way in which Fuller operates. He is not a Robin Hood; A Robin B*stard mores like. He received freely; then turned around and charged monies from those behind him. Financially profiteering like any common pimp or drug dealer. "Sold his soul for English gold"; and he is hailed by the leechers as some sort of cult hero - when his payers upload the goodies for free! |
| John S Stuart 16.05.2013 19:49 |
Every one get a reply? |
| waunakonor 16.05.2013 20:06 |
I skimmed your reply, but I'm not in as much of a mood to read paragraphs upon paragraphs of pointlessness as I was a few hours ago, so maybe I'll save it for another day. From what I've seen, it looks like you're being pretty reasonable, so I guess I'm satisfied. Yaaawwnnn -_- |
| Thistle 16.05.2013 20:15 |
You're alright, John: I'm only calling it how I see it, and it's plain to see that Fuller's previous generosity was only a gimmick to get other traders hooked. I mean, if he could just give away little gems like the full studio version of "Face It Alone" to the common man in a nonchalant fashion , then what must he have been holding back? That's why he was a obvious choice for Fanthology membership. What he actually had was nada - but he ended up with the lot, and at the expense of guys like yourself who have been brokering deals and risking a lot legally and financially all their collecting days just to have titbits they wouldnt have heard otherwise from a band they love. But now, thanks to Fuller, there's a band of folk who think it's all out there for free, and who are clinging on to the hope that he will, out of the goodness of his heart, share these beauties so THEY can realise their dream of having such material. If they truly believe this will happen, then they'll have quite a wait. Fuller, now that he has what he wants, will stick his middle finger up at everyone of those types on QZ and leave them with what he started with: shit-all. He is, and always was, just in it for the money. And what's the betting that, eventually, Fuller will end up selling his soul to QPL for what he's obtained? Only after he's made a tidy sum from the gullible, though. |
| Queen fan 16.05.2013 22:39 |
John S Stuart wrote: Thanks to GT for killing this game early. Next time I will exclude GT & GB from playing! Yes; this is indeed a fan-mix. It is therefore NOT genuine. (Thank you to ...), I will let the rightfull creator take a bow if s/he desires. So if s/he can create a fake-mix; and I marry that to a fake vinyl like this: link I wonder what the bastard love child would be?HATE TO SAY IT (BECAUSE I AM NOT NORMAL) But in the end i was right , my suspicions were correct that some shenanigans were going on, and i got the overall impression that there was something up with the mix of the sound and so i concluded it fake in the end. i quote you for backup. |
| Queen fan 16.05.2013 22:41 |
and I marry that to a fake vinyl like this: link I wonder what the bastard love child would be? This? link |
| tomchristie22 16.05.2013 22:51 |
Egh, the conflict is inescapable. |
| Queen fan 16.05.2013 22:55 |
John S Stuart wrote: Every one get a reply?no i didn't but I'm not bothered i just want to save Freddie from SBC that is my only desire. |
| cmsdrums 17.05.2013 12:31 |
I'm struggling to see the point in a lot of this - just because something CAN be faked does it necessarily mean it ALWAYS is? I'm not too fussed about different mixes - it's Queen playing, but just people either officially (eg David Richards) or unofficially (me in my bedroom) create edits from already existing released tracks (as is the case here). More perturbing is when people create recordings and then try to claim it's Queen playing either a different take of a known song, or a completely unknown song altogether). |
| dysan 19.05.2013 13:51 |
Just to go back to the original post - I've been meaning to make my own so this saved me some bother so thanks John. Unfortunately I see both sides of this argument so won't comment. Thanks for the continued good discussion John. |