Queen fan 07.05.2013 12:11 |
It goes without saying, or should, that If there is one pre requisite Freddie would want for any movie made about his life story, it would be the essential professional must, that he be portrayed by someone who can act to a sufficiently high standard as to make both he and the movie , not look like an amateur effort. It again , goes without saying, someone of Freddie's standards would see this as essential. I AM TRULY NOT EXAGGERATING WHEN I SAY FREDDIE WOULD WANT IT TO BE THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE! That was the level and ambition and the standards he looked to always. Steve Coogan, a comedian, is in fact a superior dramatic actor to Sacha Baron Cohen. This truth is really bad news, when you consider the level of Coogan's serious dramatic acting abilities, but none the less, he , although pretty bog standard, is far superior when it comes to serious roles. What is Sacha going to do when he actually has to say lines and is not prancing around pretending to be Freddie Mercury at Live Aid? His only thought is Live Aid. He wants to take All the glory Freddie had , with no consideration or a second thought for the man's life or the fact that Freddie and Queen had to work damn hard to get to live aid, and does not understand or care that Freddie's life work was more than that performance at Live Aid, and that that is why he triumphed at live aid. He is not in the least interested that Freddie's life consisted of more than his unequalled stage craft or his very few interviews we have all seen . He knows his voice was one of the greatest ever, that is why his disgusting publicity campaign of taking singing lessons goes on! that stupid yet seriously posed, that very ," Sacha is taking singing lessons to be able to sing like Freddie Mercury " is the kind of political attack strategy his comedy is based upon, and that kind of political strategy is his real talent. Sacha Baron Cohen does not understand anything but this and he doesn't actually care. Sacha is the epitome of the things he claims to hate, he is a boneheaded, headline grabbing, publicity seeking , dumb, celebrity minded ignoramus, that has no idea what goes into making a good acting performance and does not care, he just wants the fame ,the money and to hell with everything else, including Freddie Mercury! That is the reason he is not perturbed by taking on the role because secretly he doesn't give a f*** He just wants to prance around and do a very very bad impersonation and actually in effect dismiss and take the piss out of Freddie. Freddie the greatest ever singer and performer in rock history is going to be thoroughly used and abused and dishonoured by Sacha Baron Cohen . And his greatness as a musician is going to be ridiculed by an empty shallow and disgusting vile pantomime like assault on his memory, portraying him as an empty shell of a man who has no reality, and reducing his genius to the level of cohen's usual efforts that are solely based on mockery. Freddie's whole life story dismissed and shit upon by being reduced to this half a year untrained clown's ambition , who's speciality is taking the piss out of his character subjects , who can demonstrably be proven to be one of the worst actors ever to appear on a cinema screen, and who's only dramatic acting training was a school part in a Gilbert and Sullivan production,! which is a musical anyway..... WTF! Talk about not giving thought or respect! His comedic abilities disarm you totally, making you blind to the truth he cannot act. And they blind him also, or do they? I suspect he knows full well and is mockingly enjoying the red carpet treatment, all the while knowing he is not in the least bothered because he does nor care. like i said, he does not give a f*** He used that same political mind mockery strategy on the red carpet, equating any semblance of decent acting ability with a mockery of being a LUVIE THESPIAN! He must think people are dumb as shit and he is right! link |
mooghead 07.05.2013 13:29 |
Are you fucking kidding me? Shut the fuck up. The cast has been chosen. Get used to it. |
Queen fan 07.05.2013 13:32 |
mooghead wrote: Are you fucking kidding me? Shut the fuck up. The cast has been chosen. Get used to it.Do you have some secret access to the cast list? |
Queen fan 07.05.2013 13:35 |
Queen fan wrote:mooghead wrote: Are you fucking kidding me? Shut the fuck up. The cast has been chosen. Get used to it.Do you have some secret access to the cast list? |
Queen fan 07.05.2013 13:40 |
mooghead wrote: Are you fucking kidding me? Shut the fuck up. The cast has been chosen. Get used to it.Hey, i asked you a question mooghead Do you have access to the cast list? And MOOGHEAD Please refrain from such foul language, it does not become you lol |
pittrek 07.05.2013 14:15 |
link |
ANAGRAMER 07.05.2013 14:39 |
Queen fan wrote: |
mooghead 07.05.2013 15:15 |
Ok, I will bite... Steve Coogan.. lets compare film success with SBC... you go first.... |
brENsKi 07.05.2013 16:44 |
Queen fan wrote:you mean foul language like "fuck off you brainless cock-head, take your arse-wipe cretinous utterances and shove them up your flaky shithole you imbecilic fuckwit"mooghead wrote:Are you fucking kidding me? Shut the fuck up. The cast has been chosen. Get used to it.Hey, i asked you a question mooghead Do you have access to the cast list? And MOOGHEAD Please refrain from such foul language, it does not become you lol |
tcc 08.05.2013 01:29 |
Please stop touting for film roles here. Go to the appropriate authority. |
Queen fan 08.05.2013 12:49 |
Queen fan wrote: It goes without saying, or should, that If there is one pre requisite Freddie would want for any movie made about his life story, it would be the essential professional must, that he be portrayed by someone who can act to a sufficiently high standard as to make both he and the movie , not look like an amateur effort. It again , goes without saying, someone of Freddie's standards would see this as essential. I AM TRULY NOT EXAGGERATING WHEN I SAY FREDDIE WOULD WANT IT TO BE THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE! That was the level and ambition and the standards he looked to always. Steve Coogan, a comedian, is in fact a superior dramatic actor to Sacha Baron Cohen. This truth is really bad news, when you consider the level of Coogan's serious dramatic acting abilities, but none the less, he , although pretty bog standard, is far superior when it comes to serious roles. What is Sacha going to do when he actually has to say lines and is not prancing around pretending to be Freddie Mercury at Live Aid? His only thought is Live Aid. He wants to take All the glory Freddie had , with no consideration or a second thought for the man's life or the fact that Freddie and Queen had to work damn hard to get to live aid, and does not understand or care that Freddie's life work was more than that performance at Live Aid, and that that is why he triumphed at live aid. He is not in the least interested that Freddie's life consisted of more than his unequalled stage craft or his very few interviews we have all seen . He knows his voice was one of the greatest ever, that is why his disgusting publicity campaign of taking singing lessons goes on! that stupid yet seriously posed, that very ," Sacha is taking singing lessons to be able to sing like Freddie Mercury " is the kind of political attack strategy his comedy is based upon, and that kind of political strategy is his real talent. Sacha Baron Cohen does not understand anything but this and he doesn't actually care. Sacha is the epitome of the things he claims to hate, he is a boneheaded, headline grabbing, publicity seeking , dumb, celebrity minded ignoramus, that has no idea what goes into making a good acting performance and does not care, he just wants the fame ,the money and to hell with everything else, including Freddie Mercury! That is the reason he is not perturbed by taking on the role because secretly he doesn't give a f*** He just wants to prance around and do a very very bad impersonation and actually in effect dismiss and take the piss out of Freddie. Freddie the greatest ever singer and performer in rock history is going to be thoroughly used and abused and dishonoured by Sacha Baron Cohen . And his greatness as a musician is going to be ridiculed by an empty shallow and disgusting vile pantomime like assault on his memory, portraying him as an empty shell of a man who has no reality, and reducing his genius to the level of cohen's usual efforts that are solely based on mockery. Freddie's whole life story dismissed and shit upon by being reduced to this half a year untrained clown's ambition , who's speciality is taking the piss out of his character subjects , who can demonstrably be proven to be one of the worst actors ever to appear on a cinema screen, and who's only dramatic acting training was a school part in a Gilbert and Sullivan production,! which is a musical anyway..... WTF! Talk about not giving thought or respect! His comedic abilities disarm you totally, making you blind to the truth he cannot act. And they blind him also, or do they? I suspect he knows full well and is mockingly enjoying the red carpet treatment, all the while knowing he is not in the least bothered because he does nor care. like i said, he does not give a f*** He used that same political mind mockery strategy on the red carpet, equating any semblance of decent acting ability with a mockery of being a LUVIE THESPIAN! He must think people are dumb as shit and he is right! linkWhat A Very Great post this is! |
rocknrolllover 08.05.2013 13:59 |
Queen fan wrote:Shoot yourself and live freelyQueen fan wrote: It goes without saying, or should, that If there is one pre requisite Freddie would want for any movie made about his life story, it would be the essential professional must, that he be portrayed by someone who can act to a sufficiently high standard as to make both he and the movie , not look like an amateur effort. It again , goes without saying, someone of Freddie's standards would see this as essential. I AM TRULY NOT EXAGGERATING WHEN I SAY FREDDIE WOULD WANT IT TO BE THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE! That was the level and ambition and the standards he looked to always. Steve Coogan, a comedian, is in fact a superior dramatic actor to Sacha Baron Cohen. This truth is really bad news, when you consider the level of Coogan's serious dramatic acting abilities, but none the less, he , although pretty bog standard, is far superior when it comes to serious roles. What is Sacha going to do when he actually has to say lines and is not prancing around pretending to be Freddie Mercury at Live Aid? His only thought is Live Aid. He wants to take All the glory Freddie had , with no consideration or a second thought for the man's life or the fact that Freddie and Queen had to work damn hard to get to live aid, and does not understand or care that Freddie's life work was more than that performance at Live Aid, and that that is why he triumphed at live aid. He is not in the least interested that Freddie's life consisted of more than his unequalled stage craft or his very few interviews we have all seen . He knows his voice was one of the greatest ever, that is why his disgusting publicity campaign of taking singing lessons goes on! that stupid yet seriously posed, that very ," Sacha is taking singing lessons to be able to sing like Freddie Mercury " is the kind of political attack strategy his comedy is based upon, and that kind of political strategy is his real talent. Sacha Baron Cohen does not understand anything but this and he doesn't actually care. Sacha is the epitome of the things he claims to hate, he is a boneheaded, headline grabbing, publicity seeking , dumb, celebrity minded ignoramus, that has no idea what goes into making a good acting performance and does not care, he just wants the fame ,the money and to hell with everything else, including Freddie Mercury! That is the reason he is not perturbed by taking on the role because secretly he doesn't give a f*** He just wants to prance around and do a very very bad impersonation and actually in effect dismiss and take the piss out of Freddie. Freddie the greatest ever singer and performer in rock history is going to be thoroughly used and abused and dishonoured by Sacha Baron Cohen . And his greatness as a musician is going to be ridiculed by an empty shallow and disgusting vile pantomime like assault on his memory, portraying him as an empty shell of a man who has no reality, and reducing his genius to the level of cohen's usual efforts that are solely based on mockery. Freddie's whole life story dismissed and shit upon by being reduced to this half a year untrained clown's ambition , who's speciality is taking the piss out of his character subjects , who can demonstrably be proven to be one of the worst actors ever to appear on a cinema screen, and who's only dramatic acting training was a school part in a Gilbert and Sullivan production,! which is a musical anyway..... WTF! Talk about not giving thought or respect! His comedic abilities disarm you totally, making you blind to the truth he cannot act. And they blind him also, or do they? I suspect he knows full well and is mockingly enjoying the red carpet treatment, all the while knowing he is not in the least bothered because he does nor care. like i said, he does not give a f*** He used that same political mind mockery strategy on the red carpet, equating any semblance of decent acting ability with a mockery of being a LUVIE THESPIAN! He must think people are dumb as shit and he is right! link What A Very Great post this is! |
The Nosuch Disco 08.05.2013 16:36 |
link CLASSIC QUEEN! |
brENsKi 08.05.2013 16:59 |
Queen fan wrote: That was the level and ambition and the standards he looked to always.wouldn't disagree with that. however, if he hadn't the level of ambition in his sexual excesses, he'd still be here today Queen fan wrote:Freddie's whole life story dismissed and shit upon by being reduced to this half a year untrained clown's ambition .i had no idea YOU were playing Freddie in the film |
john bodega 08.05.2013 22:40 |
Aside from Coogan being funnier than SBC in the same way that Mount Everest is bigger than my left nut, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in this comparison. |
rocknrolllover 9741 09.05.2013 04:57 |
Oh shit all this crap again? |
rocknrolllover 9741 10.05.2013 05:54 |
They los comdons |
Queen fan 12.05.2013 20:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Aside from Coogan being funnier than SBC in the same way that Mount Everest is bigger than my left nut, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in this comparison.Coogan, although not brilliant is a better serious actor, Coogan's alan partridge was very funny as was borat's Borat, but comedy is not subject it is actual real acting not just delivering lines for laughs , i am talking about being credible in fictional dramatic presentation.( coogan just played a porn baron in a movie, flamboynt and over the top, but just a porn baron a business man with showmanship and flair, but just that, a business man in a drama with a bit of a comical sense yet serious also. Yet he was not playing as tall a order as Freddie Mercury, a serious musician with a unrivalled voice passion and showmanship , or a man with complicated personal relationships and a man loved by billions as is Freddie. If Freddie did camp he did it with tremendous style and was not you common garden queen. But my point is Cohen is not even as good as Steve Coogan at acting, and to be honest Coogan is pretty shit at it anyway. So that is reason enough for the comparison when you consider who Cohen is meant to be portraying. Do you ever wonder why directors are not fighting to direct the movie? it is because they are scared of it. in fact understanding how brilliant coogans alan partridge character was lets you see through borat cohens borat was equally brliiantly observed and well done but as with coogan , even though his alan partridge was so well observed and well written a character it does not mean they are brliiant at acting in straight roles, even roles where the character is humorous. They are both different things , straight movie lead roles that require some realism and depth are not just funny characters like partridge or Borat, who are made up characters and can afford and benefit from being over the top and ridiculous. But then people make the mistake of thinking Freddie unequalled stage persona can be just summed up with the word camp or over the top , and that equates to direction on how to act like him ,when it was so much more than that, and as a private man he was human and so had a broad range of emotions and attitudes he was not a caricature like Borat or partridge in other words, and so , for anyone to adequately take on playing him in his life story , requires someone who can seriously seriously act ,and i mean act their shoes off. Otherwise it will be a travesty and disgrace to the mans memory. That man who played Freddie in the everett thing was just doing a camp caricature and the same for the actor who played Everett himself the whole angle they approached acting that thing was caricature, and was not real. that kind of camparry haminness , a poor relation of the carry on style , IS CERTAINLY NOT ! the way to tell Freddie's life story, it would be an utter insult! Yes when Freddie did camp, if you want to call it camp, he did it french style! he was not your common garden queen! and is not to be trashed by such trashy haminness. Freddie was a very exotic creature very rare and exuded so much charisma and style, he could have been French! lol i am not joking, Freddie was not english , he was exciting for Goodness sake! the english are helplessly unexciting they cant avoid being so Freddie was not English he was exhilarating, pumping with raw sex and Power Power Power!!!! a machine of unrivalled energy!! yet privately tasteful and refined And no ! stop before you think. Borat doing his half English half french accent will not even whiff of it!! why are such dullards involved in this movie they have no idea at all!!! Their insight is about as dull as Cohen's deadened dullard blurry fish eyed zombie delivery style. pass me the lightening bolts, this monster is dead on the slab. And pay them no mind, they deserve such mockery for proposing such a colossus of one! Just Who is the filmmaker, anyway? I suggest you take a cold bath in the dark if you prefer floating with dead such dead fish as this motley crew, WAKE UP!! FOR GOODNESS SAKE IT IS FREDDIE MERCURY THE GREAT! Not some cheap tv comedian! And not you common garden queen. My God rescue me from this disaster!!! |
Queen4ever13 14.05.2013 16:23 |
Sacha Baron Cohen is a joke, can anyone really take him seriously? If he manages to pull it off he may be seen differently. I can understand people feeling he is making a mockery but Freddie himself said "when I'm dead, who cares." |
Queen fan 14.05.2013 20:12 |
Queen4ever13 wrote: Sacha Baron Cohen is a joke, can anyone really take him seriously? If he manages to pull it off he may be seen differently. I can understand people feeling he is making a mockery but Freddie himself said "when I'm dead, who cares."Me. |
Queen4ever13 15.05.2013 11:17 |
"I won't be a rock star. I will be a legend." - Freddie Mercury |
Queen4ever13 15.05.2013 11:32 |
Freddie definitely had gigantic confidence and real intuitive insite, to take them all the way to the top and still be where they're at since his passing. That's star quality, brilliance! Think they should have been more selective in who they could have cast. |
Queen4ever13 15.05.2013 11:39 |
Just not Steve Coogan, he looks more like Prince Charles! |
Queen fan 15.05.2013 14:47 |
Queen4ever13 wrote: Just not Steve Coogan, he looks more like Prince Charles!Just to be clear as their seems to be some people who do not read the posts ; this THREAD IN NO WAY IS PROPOSING STEVE COOGAN SHOULD PLAY THE ROLE OF FREDDIE MERCURY IN THE BIOPIC IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER WAS THE THAT THE PURPOSE OF ME POSTING THIS I posted it to highlight the utter inadequacies of Sacha Baron Cohen AS AN SERIOUS ACTOR by comparing him with Steve Coogan, who although is not a great actor himself, has far more craft and understanding of semi serious dramatic acting than Sacha does. It should be noted that you can tell a comedian's potential for straight acting THROUGH THEIR COMEDY dramas, it is all there to see It is notable that Sacha , even through the few roles he has played , has no talent for any kind of REALISM in an acting scenario, and indeed his comedy talent lies solely in the realm of true to life scenarios with NON ACTORS. ( his acting abilities kick in when he is conscious that he is about to approach a successful trickery of real people, that is how his fantasy mind mode or actors head works, and .that is where his " actors" head is coming from , and it is where his creative abilities at character portrayal flow fluently.) The real world of actors is the ability to believe in a fictional realm and create it's components by being part of it, by totally using all their inner selves to be part of and enhance its reality, and also to bring it out amongst their fellow actors for the purpose of our immersion into the fictional story that is fictional totally but needs these people with these specific talents and abilities to make it work. This IS what makes good fictional tv and movies believable , and so enjoyable to us. Sacha does not believe in this fictional realm outside himself, he has to work best in a real environment for any of his fantasy to be brought forth, hence his characters are brought forth to a degree of success only in a real environment, tricking real people who are not in a fictional realm, but are in a everyday world and not a scripted one as such. He in fact is not at home at all when part of a team of people who are creating a dramatic fictional environment conducive and essential to presenting a plausible dramatic fiction , which can tell a story in the unique way used in cinema and tv story telling. These points are the reason i correctly state Sacha Cannot act, because he truly can't act in the accepted definition of a true actor , or does not have that capacity to an extent that is required for a reasonable standard of acting. Of course any body could try to act, but the act of attempting to act to a degree of successful outcome, requires an ability to believe in a fictional world rather than believe in your own ability to trick the real one. There is a difference. The Freddie Mercury Biopic WILL BE acted out by people who are able to believe THEY ARE REAL CHARACTERS IN A FICTIONAL REALITY If they choose real actors that is. And so if they do choose real actors, those actors will be able to bring that fictional world to a level of reality that is believable , and so does its job and is enjoyable to an audiences imagination. |
Queen4ever13 15.05.2013 14:54 |
I stand corrected. |