face-it-alone 21.04.2013 13:28 |
Burned lossless on dvd-audio, 24bt/48khz. The best sound so far. I used the wav files of the Royal Orb and used software to burn them lossless on a dvd-audio. I play them on a high standard dvd player digitaly connected to a high standard amplifier. Clear sound, nice bass, no pressure on ears, no loudness war issues. Cheers, FIA |
rocknrolllover 21.04.2013 13:30 |
face-it-alone wrote: Burned lossless on dvd-audio, 24bt/48khz. The best sound so far. I used the wav files of the Royal Orb and used software to burn them lossless on a dvd-audio. I play them on a high standard dvd player digitaly connected to a high standard amplifier. Clear sound, nice bass, no pressure on ears, no loudness war issues. Cheers, FIA what you wanted to say in this topic? |
ANAGRAMER 21.04.2013 14:15 |
rocknrolllover wrote:He must have new toys.......diddumsface-it-alone wrote: Burned lossless on dvd-audio, 24bt/48khz. The best sound so far. I used the wav files of the Royal Orb and used software to burn them lossless on a dvd-audio. I play them on a high standard dvd player digitaly connected to a high standard amplifier. Clear sound, nice bass, no pressure on ears, no loudness war issues. Cheers, FIAwhat you wanted to say in this topic? |
inu-liger 21.04.2013 15:06 |
Hmm, so I was spurred by this topic to randomly compare one track, "Innuendo" from both the 2011 CD and the ORB set, and noticed quite a difference on the high end reading. What say you guys about this? 2011 CD ">link ORB USB set ">link |
AlexRocks 21.04.2013 19:55 |
Whoa. Jeeze Inu-liger...obsessed much? Lol. So am I! Ha! Ha! It's all good! Keep it up! Ow! :) |
inu-liger 21.04.2013 20:23 |
Gotta make productive use of my downtime somehow :) |
pittrek 22.04.2013 01:06 |
Wow. So you are the two guys who bought the usb set ? :-) |
. 22.04.2013 08:30 |
Orbviously. |
inu-liger 22.04.2013 16:44 |
pittrek wrote: Wow. So you are the two guys who bought the usb set ? :-)Suuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeee :-) |
. 27.04.2013 06:20 |
Has anyone tried converting to apple loss less (ALAC) ? |
rocknrolllover 27.04.2013 06:30 |
The Kurgan wrote: Has anyone tried converting to apple loss less (ALAC) ? I did try. what is the actual question? |
. 27.04.2013 07:15 |
rocknrolllover wrote:I tried it too, I just wondered what you thought?The Kurgan wrote: Has anyone tried converting to apple loss less (ALAC) ?I did try. what is the actual question? I used dBpoweramp to convert to a lossless 48KHz 24 bit m4a. |
rocknrolllover 27.04.2013 07:20 |
The Kurgan wrote:rocknrolllover wrote:I tried it too, I just wondered what you thought? I used dBpoweramp to convert to a lossless 48KHz 24 bit m4a Sounds pretty good on my ipod.The Kurgan wrote: Has anyone tried converting to apple loss less (ALAC) ?I did try. what is the actual question? Huh, I also used dBpoweramp and I must say I like it. Nothing bad I can't say |
rocknrolllover 27.04.2013 07:20 |
The Kurgan wrote:rocknrolllover wrote:I tried it too, I just wondered what you thought? I used dBpoweramp to convert to a lossless 48KHz 24 bit m4a Sounds pretty good on my ipod.The Kurgan wrote: Has anyone tried converting to apple loss less (ALAC) ?I did try. what is the actual question? Huh, I also used dBpoweramp and I must say I like it. Nothing bad I can't say |
. 27.04.2013 07:28 |
Sounds pretty good on my ipod. |
. 29.04.2013 12:12 |
I have posted this on another thread but it is relevant. I just ripped the MLP downmix from my copy of The Game Audio DVD, preserving 96/24. It's the first time I've heard the MLP audio and It sounds stunning. I would go as far as saying it sounds better than the Orb. |
face-it-alone 29.04.2013 15:05 |
I agree! 24/96 DVD-A sounds better. I ripped SACD for my own purpose (24/96). Also sounding better. For general public The Orb is available. That's why I suggested The Orb in the discussion about what's sounding good. (Not what looks good on Analyse Views! There is a difference.) Ta. |
. 29.04.2013 16:25 |
face-it-alone wrote: I agree! 24/96 DVD-A sounds better. I ripped SACD for my own purpose (24/96). Also sounding better. For general public The Orb is available. That's why I suggested The Orb in the discussion about what's sounding good. (Not what looks good on Analyse Views! There is a difference.) Ta.Ha, not quite the best sound so far then LOL! So you upsampled SACD to 96Khz? Are the DVD-A releases theoretically superior to SACD? As it happens the Orb's 24/48 files are ideal for converting to apple lossless 24/48. Seeing as my weapon of choice is my trusty ipod classic I'm more than happy with that ; ) |
inu-liger 29.04.2013 17:36 |
I like how a week later, no-one's even commented on the fact the ORB file shows a higher drop on the frequency range compared to the CD version as evidenced in the screencaps posted, which should be raising some eyebrows. Typical. |
joesilvey 29.04.2013 18:36 |
inu-liger wrote: I like how a week later, no-one's even commented on the fact the ORB file shows a higher drop on the frequency range compared to the CD version as evidenced in the screencaps posted, which should be raising some eyebrows. Typical.this is the first I'm reading this thread, but believe me, I noticed the difference on the high end and definitely find it odd... |
inu-liger 29.04.2013 21:28 |
joesilvey wrote:Indeed. And I was asked privately if I thought maybe there was hiss reduction used, and I highly doubted it since Innuendo was a digital recording to begin with, so I did another frequency analysis comparison on KYA, and pretty much the same results...high end dropoff and slight low-end boost on the ORB set version.inu-liger wrote: I like how a week later, no-one's even commented on the fact the ORB file shows a higher drop on the frequency range compared to the CD version as evidenced in the screencaps posted, which should be raising some eyebrows. Typical.this is the first I'm reading this thread, but believe me, I noticed the difference on the high end and definitely find it odd... Also ran a check on the SACD rip: 2011 CD ">link ORB 48/24 ">link SACD 88.2/24 ">link |
inu-liger 29.04.2013 22:01 |
Hmm, so Gregsynth had me run an experiment. I upconverted the CD version of Innuendo to 48/24, ran it through the analyzer, and interestingly it gives an extremely similar result to the one shown on the ORB screencap. I wonder why it seems to be, that having it in 24-bit by the looks of it affects the frequency analyzer reading so significantly?? And even weirder looking how it dips even lower on the KYA SACD reading! |
joesilvey 30.04.2013 06:19 |
very strange... would love an expert's input here to clear up this phenomenon for us. How does a higher sampling bitrate generate a shorter breadth of frequency? |
. 01.05.2013 05:02 |
Going back to the first post ('no loudness war'), do the Orbs wav files actually sound quieter than the 2011 CD remasters? They sound the same to me (in Audacity the high levels look about the same too). The Game DVD-Audio MLP 24/96 downmix I made IS quieter. Surely all the 2011 remasters would be at the same volume level, no matter in what format they are released? The Game Track 1 - DVD-Audio MLP5.1 Downmix - 24/96 link Was It All Worth It - Orb - 24/48 link KYA - Orb - 24/48 link ANATO - DVD-AUDIO - PCM Stereo Rip - 24/96 link |
joesilvey 01.05.2013 09:50 |
You'd have to zoom in much closer to one of the solid-looking leveled-off spots to see if the wave is actually clipped straight across, or if it's just rounded hard by a limiter. Most likely the latter. Strange that ANATO DVD-A track has been limited but not boosted by compression... |
. 01.05.2013 11:43 |
joesilvey wrote: You'd have to zoom in much closer to one of the solid-looking leveled-off spots to see if the wave is actually clipped straight across, or if it's just rounded hard by a limiter. Most likely the latter. Strange that ANATO DVD-A track has been limited but not boosted by compression...Good call, it looks like its rounded hard like you said. The game also looks limited in the same way. Thanks again for the info. |
. 26.06.2019 17:27 |
I'm going to weigh my Orb 'cos I'm bored. |
dysan 26.06.2019 18:08 |
How many songs are on it? That will have some effect. |
. 26.06.2019 19:01 |
A few tracks seem to be a bit heavy. |
Negative Creep 27.06.2019 11:20 |
inu-liger - At what point did you realise that the 2 frequency graphs you posted had different frequency ranges? lol |
aristide1 27.06.2019 12:02 |
Unless something radical happened in the last 6 years to change his mind, he probably still thinks the Orb graph displays a hiss reduction artefact or a 24 bits format peculiarity. |
dysan 27.06.2019 13:49 |
I wonder if The Orb have a golden Queen usb device? |
. 27.06.2019 14:28 |
link |
Wilki Amieva 28.06.2019 16:25 |
I've just noticed this thread as it was bumped today. As Negative Creep says, the frequency axes have different scales for each release, as their sampling rates are different. It is no surprise that for most of the post 1984 tracks, the high resolution files will be upsampled... Please bear in mind that masters in the early days of digital were DATs @ 44.1 kHz/16-bit. |
. 28.06.2019 17:00 |
So are you saying the Orb is zero stuffed? |
dysan 28.06.2019 17:53 |
Erotic? |
. 28.06.2019 18:39 |
link |
Wilki Amieva 28.06.2019 22:36 |
For most of the 1985-1995 stuff, yes, basically. Same happens with the 96/24 being sold in some music content sites such as 7Digital, e-Onkyo Music (Japan), HDTracks, Onkyo Music, ProStudioMasters, Qobuz, etc. These also include most of Greatest Hits II (with the I Was Born To Love You edit) and Greatest Hits III, parts from Barcelona - Special Edition (triple album set), On Air (double album version) and the Bohemian Rhapsody soundtrack. |
aristide1 29.06.2019 06:06 |
On Air HD tracks are genuine not upsampled, as well as all other analog sourced material. |
. 29.06.2019 07:45 |
So you disagree about the On Air high res release, are you sure it's really not upsampled? Since Thank God It's Christmas was released on SACD, I gather that should be genuine rather than zero stuffed? |
aristide1 29.06.2019 10:49 |
Upsample means to take a low resolution source and convert it to a high resolution format, without any quality benefit. The sites that sell HD music (digitally recorded in the 80s at low res) aren't doing anything wrong because they are not maliciously upsample low res recordings to fool people, in fact they don't even have access tho those originals. All they have are remasters done at a higher resolution (by QP in our case) - so the infamous upsamples are in fact REMASTERS presented at the original resolution (of the remaster). Since the only thing worst than upsample a source is to downsample a remaster (remember that CD contains a downsampled remaster) it is safe to conclude that nothing wrong really happened. Or nothing good, depending if you are an optimist or a pessimist. On Air is analogue sourced, hence is genuine HD. Don't know what do you want to say with Thank God It's Christmas and SACD. All digitally recorded albums from the 80s have a clear signature on SACD, they are cut above 22kHz. |
. 29.06.2019 12:59 |
I guess I am trying to say that I thought Thank God It's Christmas was recorded on analogue tape, but perhaps Wilki can verify if this is the case? Also, I read somewhere else that On Air (high res) was upsampled. I will try to source the article. |
aristide1 29.06.2019 13:46 |
Until you will find the article let's see the frequency graph of On Air Hi-Res (track 1). It doesn't look at all upsampled. |
Wilki Amieva 29.06.2019 22:54 |
On Air was remastered to 96/24 and this master was used for the HD files. However, most of this release was sourced from a 44.1/16 DATs, so it is definetely upsampled. EDIT: However, Session 3 from this release was sourced from 48/16 safety DATs, so it is definetely upsampled (and in agreement with my original claim that *part* of On Air was upsampled). |
. 30.06.2019 00:56 |
Thanks Wilki, that does confirm something like I remember reading about DAT sources. Do you have any info on Thank God It's Christmas master? |
aristide1 30.06.2019 07:01 |
Wiki, I feel like we are at Khan Al-Khalili market in Cairo. Your last offer: "most of this release was sourced from 44.1/16 DATs, so it is definitely upsampled" is ridiculous. Try to support this claim somehow (by an article or a spectrum graph) and maybe I'll buy it. |
. 30.06.2019 10:29 |
A spectrum graph of Session 3 tracks would be interesting. The link below states they are from a 48kHz 16bit master copy source. link |
aristide1 30.06.2019 11:49 |
Indeed the 4 songs from session 3 display a cut above 22 kHz (while the other 20 songs don't). Not enough to say that "most of this release was sourced from 44.1/16 DATs, so it is definitely upsampled". Thank you Kurgan. |
Wilki Amieva 30.06.2019 12:51 |
Sorry, aristide1. Not getting too much sleep here lately (not in Egypt, but in the middle of Argentina). My answer should have said: EDIT: However, Session 3 from this release was sourced from 48/16 safety DATs, so it is definetely upsampled (and in agreement with my original claim that *part* of On Air was upsampled). I said the same of the Bohemian Rhapsody soundtrack, that had a couple of digitally sourced tracks. By the way, I am not claiming that the said websites are scamming people. They just offer what they have, and they inform potential buyers, so it's OK. Kurgan: Thank God It's Christmas' stereo master is a 1/4" tape. Although the production masters for The Works were digital, they kept the flat stereo mixes for all of The Works stuff as it was mixed analogically. |
. 30.06.2019 14:32 |
I'll re-phrase my question then, what was the source for "Thank God It's Christmas" used on the SACD release? |
Wilki Amieva 01.07.2019 00:29 |
I wasn't aware TGIC was released on SACD! |
Wilki Amieva 01.07.2019 01:52 |
That said, the 2011 remaster of TGIC is sourced from the 1/4" master tape, so any high resolution release would be taken from that. |
Wilki Amieva 01.07.2019 01:52 |
*double post* (Internet here is cr*p!) |
. 01.07.2019 07:47 |
Sorry Wilki, I was under the illusion The Platinum Collection had an SACD release, no wonder I couldn't find it! |
dysan 01.07.2019 18:41 |
That's funny, I thought GH3 was on SACD too. Mandela Effect? |
. 13.08.2019 12:16 |
It's a shame it's not real gold! link |
Stick 13.08.2019 14:14 |
No shit. |
. 13.08.2019 14:21 |
Yes, but the music contained within however is pure gold. Also "The Orb" contains a gallery of many (some uncirculated) photographs. |