QueenZone discussion #1344034
SSOR acetate on ebay.
| Marknow 19.04.2013 14:16 |
Anyone have some info on this item, is it real or fake? The seller says that it is almost one minute longer than the album version. http://www.ebay.ie/itm/QUEEN-ACETATE-Seven-Seas-Of-Rhye-alternate-version-MEGA-RARE-/390580025005?pt=UK_Records&hash=item5af06236ad |
| mooghead 19.04.2013 15:06 |
If it is exactly as described it is priceless. If the 'wrong backing track' means no one has heard it before then time to dip into the retirement fund. Have a feeling its something and nothing though..... |
| pittrek 19.04.2013 15:13 |
Shadysenator is a queenzoner, who collects acetates. I guess it's genuine |
| mooghead 19.04.2013 15:17 |
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| The Fairy King 19.04.2013 18:39 |
Seven "Seasons" of Rhye?? o.O |
| waunakonor 19.04.2013 21:05 |
Ha ha! What in the world is that all about? Even if this shadysenator guy is a QZer, I don't know if I'd trust him. He's...ya know...shady. |
| thomasquinn 32989 20.04.2013 05:16 |
waunakonor wrote: Ha ha! What in the world is that all about? Even if this shadysenator guy is a QZer, I don't know if I'd trust him. He's...ya know...shady.Not to mention that he's also a senator. |
| brENsKi 20.04.2013 09:45 |
and if it really is genuine why make an accetate "for radio only" ? accetates had a very short lifespan before they degraded....wouldn't that be pretty poor self-promotion? |
| Dane 24.04.2013 02:57 |
I guess if you wanted to get your new hit song played as soon as possible an acetate could be made of the unfinished but satisfactory song and sent to the radio stations. Stamping "For Radio Only" on there to prevent this version being mistaken for a final version used for pressing the single.. seems to be a logical course of action to me.. |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.04.2013 04:09 |
From what I know, acetates *were* sometimes used for radio broadcasts, but as far as I'm aware only for one-time broadcasts that could, for one reason or another, not be made live. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 24.04.2013 06:12 |
The auction is updated. Acetates were moslty used , not for Airplay , but for the DJ to listnen to the "new"track and give a pre review when it was set to be released. |
| mooghead 24.04.2013 12:56 |
"TAKE A LOOK AT MY TOHER QUEEN AUCTIONS !!! A ACETATE IS :" The attention to detail cannot be ignored. JSS.. buy this now to add to your spectacular collection or regret it forever.... |
| GT 24.04.2013 15:30 |
Myself and GB have been talking and GB came up with the following: BM has over 140 acetates, from all studios, inc many from EMI from the early period. None of them look like this. I think it's trying way way too hard to look important and rare. There would be no reason to press acetates FOR RADIO ONLY. I've never encountered that, and for very good reason. That is precisely the sort of thing that the man on the street 'thinks' might appear on an acetate, but that's not the case. If this were a white label test pressing, then that might be more convincing. No acetate has a reason to have FOR RADIO on it - not at that stage. If an acetate pressing is deemed to be good, then the proper vinyl test pressing would be made (still without FOR RADIO on it), and then if the (label-les) test pressing is good, only then would the main mass pressing (with proper label) go ahead, and promo's too, with things like FOR RADIO ONLY on them. So I really think it's not real. Why doesn't it look anything like any other EMI acetate we have from this period? Like I say, it's cynically trying hard to look significant and valuable and rare. No acetate I've ever seen has all that stuff printed on it, at that very early stage. But the average Jo would imagine all of those things... I'm just surprised they didn't also hand write 'return to Roy' or 'Brian's re-edit' on it, just so that it has the full house!!!! Sorry but I'm sceptical. If I'm wrong, this would be the ONLY acetate I've seen from EMI that looks remotely like this. Finally.... final nail in the coffin, in my opinion... is the SEASONS of Rhye, rather than SEAS.... again, someone is trying to be clever and fool people, probably because they went to the LOndon Stormtroopers exhibition and saw Brian's (100% real) 'Here I am' acetate... where it should have been 'Now I'm Here'. Whoever you are out there, with your Seven Seasons Of Rhye... you don't fool me! |
| Mkls 24.04.2013 15:40 |
you trying to buy this cheap or ... ? i am not mistaken , a withdrawn radio white label SSOR with a different version was reported 20 years ago, i think its even in the book 'as it began'. |
| inu-liger 24.04.2013 15:45 |
P-Tr extinction event wrote: you trying to buy this cheap or ... ? i am not mistaken , a withdrawn radio white label SSOR with a different version was reported 20 years ago, i think its even in the book 'as it began'.I think that was on a 7" pressing and a non-acetate pressing at that, if memory serves me correctly, and only a small handful of copies might be out there. This is the first I've heard of an acetate copy claiming to have a withdrawn mix. I'm with GT on this one, I find it suspicious that it's stamped "For Radio Only." Surely the DJ's would want to be able to play something like that more than just a few times? |
| Marknow 24.04.2013 15:56 |
Lmfao |
| Mkls 24.04.2013 16:17 |
if it has the different backing track, its not a fake item i think we can all agree with that. so 1/ the seller is a liar about the content 2/ or the seller is telling us the truth , in that case GT your and GBs logic fails. Unless you say the 'maker' of this acetate went as far as stealing a different backing track mix from the QPL archives, just to make one forged acetate and sell it on ebay. and additionally started the rumour 20+ years ago, so he could sell it in 2013 . yes. |
| Mkls 24.04.2013 16:21 |
inu-liger wrote:'handful copies' = acetates, not proper 7" pressings. I dont think we can expect a book from 1992 to properly distuinguish between a white label radio copy and a very similar white label acetate.... the authors probably never seen the item.P-Tr extinction event wrote: you trying to buy this cheap or ... ? i am not mistaken , a withdrawn radio white label SSOR with a different version was reported 20 years ago, i think its even in the book 'as it began'.I think that was on a 7" pressing and a non-acetate pressing at that, if memory serves me correctly, and only a small handful of copies might be out there. This is the first I've heard of an acetate copy claiming to have a withdrawn mix. I'm with GT on this one, I find it suspicious that it's stamped "For Radio Only." Surely the DJ's would want to be able to play something like that more than just a few times? "Surely the DJ's would want to be able to play something like that more than just a few times?" how many radios were in Britain in 1974 that would play SSOR? probably 2-3, bbc radio 1 and the newly launched capital fm. Any similar item was intended for friendly DJs (remember the kenny everett story with bo rhap??) , to be played on a weekend show or simlar.. so to be played for a few times only yes. wikipedia "During this time, legislation had been passed allowing the licensing of commercial radio stations in the UK. One of the first, Capital Radio, began broadcasting to London and the Home Counties in 1973. Everett joined the station and was given his own show, where he further developed his distinctive ideas. From 1973 to 1974 he presented the station's breakfast show, initially alongside Dave Cash, a friend and colleague from Radio London days, and later as the sole presenter." i can very easily imagine Everett was given a copy at that time too, to play it a few times on his breakfast show.. |
| people on streets 24.04.2013 17:33 |
ghostwithasmile wrote: The auction is updated. Acetates were moslty used , not for Airplay , but for the DJ to listnen to the "new"track and give a pre review when it was set to be released.You are "shadysenator1979" on ebay, correct ? Why didnt you make a transfer? That would take away all doubt about the mix wich is supposed to be on the acetate you want to sell. |
| Ron 26.04.2013 02:44 |
I am sure he made a transfer based on his latest auction update: "After doing some research I can confirm this version has a playing time of 4.15 mins. The album version clocks at 2.48!!!!!!" I do not understand why he does not want to provide a ie 10-15 sec sample of the disc to clear any potential issues. With all respect, this song could also be a fan-made mix of ie the 2011 instrumental take plus maybe the Queen I instrumental version to extend it to 4:15 min. I have no idea if this disc is genuine or not. I used to have 12 Queen acetates myself and none of them ever had a cat.nbr or a reference to 'for radio only'. The title "Seven Seasons Of Rhye" appears to have been written over the "For Radio Only" stamp, implying that it was first stamped and at a later stage the title was written on the disc? Does anyone know what the "REQ'D CMRF" refers to? |
| Pim Derks 26.04.2013 11:56 |
Strange that the instrumental version on the bonusdisc of the 2011 version features a real outro and still clocks in at only 3:10 minutes. I assume REQ'D CMRF means 'required Combined Mode Resonant Filter'. Apparently that's an audio-related term, something to do with resonance/ringing/feedback. |
| Pim Derks 26.04.2013 11:57 |
Some other acetates have been put up for sale too: link |
| Queen fan 27.04.2013 19:32 |
Seven Seasons Of Rhye? Lol what a coincidence. Sounds like my "want to break free" tv soap show making of (retired section) within the movie biopic idea Will Brian May remember this? I am sure he can. Speaking of that, it is time to seriously consider that uploading of his brain to a hard drive for prosperity. |
| people on streets 27.04.2013 19:38 |
RonB wrote: I do not understand why he does not want to provide a ie 10-15 sec sample of the disc to clear any potential issues.indeed |
| brENsKi 28.04.2013 16:38 |
i can understand it a bit firstly, doesn't playing acetates degrade them? secondly, what are you going to hear? a vinyl recording of SSOR? |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2013 00:18 |
Yes, possibly a different version of SSOR. Hence the need for a sample to see if it'd be worth the money. |
| pittrek 29.04.2013 00:58 |
Winning bid: £1,020.00 |
| people on streets 14.05.2013 07:59 |
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| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 14.05.2013 09:15 |
I find this very insulting. The thing is real : * Greg compared this one with Brian his own acetates, because this has a different label , is the claim this isn't real. So this means that the test versions handed out to the artists are excatly the same as the ones made for other pruposes? * Some high class collectors including JSS asked me for the file and told me he was very interested in this ebay lot. And now he claims this one is a fake. * this item features a unique version of the song, which cannot be made by amateurs , queen keeps on playing extra verses... This is without the "I like to be the seaside ending" which could be meant as a standalone track.And this appears on Reel to Reel as wel.... * I recieved emails that my Sheffiled acetate is a fake as well : this one I bought in person of Sheffield, there is no doubt. * See the first topic in Greg his topic "sikke's acetates" * Why in heaven sake would a evil man which is aiming to gain money out of pirates and bootlegs spent his time and effort in making a costy acetate with the risk to gain maybe 100 pounds knowing this will take a lot of time and effort. Knowing he can't be pooring out acetates : people will know and think it is suspicous when one person is flooding the market with rare acetates ! * See point above : why would use words like "rejected alternate version" , "take 5 rejected" etc.etc. * Nobody told assumed it is a fake , while pictures of this one where on my facebook for 1 year or so... No people loved it.... People wanted to buy it. * It has been in my collection since 1999 I bought it at a auction house. While unpakcing boxes with Queen I noticed I have 2 of these the one sold and the same on Trident label. * Why is it a radio acetate : who knows why ? Why are the BBC sessions cut on Acetate they have the reels of the sessions.... ohhhh wait I just found out that the BBC aceates are all fakes !! * It is a acetate all the point JSS mentioned in his topic count for this being genuine , he forgot 1 thing : the specifc smell of acetates.... The older they become the thinner it's sent will be. You have to be experienced for this. Well I hope this makes sence. The biggest fake acetate is Hangman : * this one does NOT excist ! This has been confirmed by QPL employees. * Why cut a acetate of a not going to be single release ? (curious point !) * A picture showing a trident aceate with "angman" written on it can easily be made. Further I have to react to the Reel tape point in JSS his topic. The one I sold is the one shared here for free to celebrate Bob W. his birthday. I paid $ 800,- for it back then , knowing uploading it would make it only a piece of memorbilia and dlete it's value. And not a exciting piece of possible content. Btw this is the March show of Rainbow, not the November one of the VHS. As you know there are no VHS releases of the march show. And it is genuine. Further one the reveresed /ufo story : this makes no sence at all. And sound like a explanation of my daughter after watching 2 hours the History Channel (ancinet aliens) this kind of engeneering was done way before 1947 : during the World Wars, and even in dark ages , finding out how to built trebuchets. |
| Pim Derks 14.05.2013 11:57 |
I wish I had a stash of acetates I'd forgotten about :( |
| brENsKi 15.05.2013 05:46 |
well apparently with all these new drugs available - alzheimers can come and go |