QueenZone discussion #1341238

The Kurgan wrote: The man of mystery returns with more goodies! Thanks for sharing.

pittrek wrote: Unreleased ? It's been a long time since I heard the last time the De Lane Lea demo, but isn't this it ? EDIT - just listening to it and the drum solo sounds different from what I remember and the vocals at the end sound different too. Interesting share, can I ask about more details about this track ?

dave76 wrote: Goddamn, this is an awesome share mate. I guess 1971 or 1972. It is completely different. Vocals and drums are different. Where did you find this gem?

pittrek wrote: Thanks for this, I assume it's one of the earliest versions, since it's pretty similar to the De Lane Lea demo

dave76 wrote: I agree with you FMH. Instead of this gem we got the lane lea demos which all of us fans already had for years. But not this one. I never heard it. You should talk with Brian and Roger :-) Anthology material.

denzilsurprise wrote: Fantastic! And on my birthday as well! I love the acoustic guitars on this. I wonder if we are getting any closer to that elusive demo of Hangman?

CruellaDeVille wrote: Bravo! Maybe you have a new and productive career working for Queen Productions as a market appraisal officer with a keen sense of what the fans want. Who knows what's next, maybe Hammy '75 or that damn Rainbow 'project'?? Thanks!!

FMH wrote: Bought it, but please, don't ask more details, if you want more demos

The Real Wizard wrote:

FMH wrote: Bought it, but please, don't ask more details, if you want more demos

Exactly - when people want to know details of the music you acquired with dirty hands (to be polite), blackmail them with "no more shares" ... even if you don't have anything else, which you very likely don't. You don't really want someone to tell the real story, do you? And your fake ESL is transparent. Let the mudslinging begin!

ferdy wrote: people want to know more? Ok, Here's The full detailed informations. I own a Trident acetate Of The Queen debut LP, which contains this version. I did an acquisition in winter 2011 and shared The track with very few people to let listen that and compare with other known versions. I had The promise this would not have leaked to avoid any legal problem, but someone did not respect it. You can blame me for this but please consider I have The right to act as I want. The audio file uploaded here and some weeks ago on youtube is exactly The same one I created. Same acetate click, etc and same spectrum. So if someone want to receive glory for The sharing I cannot do nothing, unless have clear that it's a childish and poor behaviour. I'm ready to give all other informations about this leaking privately in case there will be some problems related to my original sharing.

Sam99 wrote: I would love to hear this, although I do wonder about the origin. Can anyone advise how to download from Sendspace and other places without getting this ilivid thing, which is basically a virus? Thanks very much

FMH wrote:

ferdy wrote: people want to know more? Ok, Here's The full detailed informations. I own a Trident acetate Of The Queen debut LP, which contains this version. I did an acquisition in winter 2011 and shared The track with very few people to let listen that and compare with other known versions. I had The promise this would not have leaked to avoid any legal problem, but someone did not respect it. You can blame me for this but please consider I have The right to act as I want. The audio file uploaded here and some weeks ago on youtube is exactly The same one I created. Same acetate click, etc and same spectrum. So if someone want to receive glory for The sharing I cannot do nothing, unless have clear that it's a childish and poor behaviour. I'm ready to give all other informations about this leaking privately in case there will be some problems related to my original sharing.

If you think that I'm thief you're wrong

The Real Wizard wrote: But now that the cat's out of the bag... A piece of previously unknown Queen history is here: All the other tracks on the acetate are identical to the debut album, which means the band weren't happy with Keep Yourself Alive as it was. It is clearly the last track they finished for the album. The acetate can therefore be reasonably dated as early 1972, and the studio version of KYA can possibly be dated as late as June 1972. So the stories of there being 4 or 5 studio versions of the song are indeed true.

ghostwithasmile wrote: One collects Queen records , the other Queen pins and badges. One buys official releases , the other downloads pirates for free. One is a die hard collector , the other is satisfied with the cd catalogue. One finds it very interesting to know the origin of this version , the other only wants to listnen to it and is happy to hear something new. And doesn't care if it was recorded it in 72,73 or in 75. Are you the one or the other ? We cannot blame people for being different. Or expect a question and discussion beause one thinks it should happen.

ghostwithasmile wrote: ^^ that said, this is a interesting take. And I agree time goes on, people like new bands each and everyday. The Queenfan base is getting thinner by the minute. And this version is nothing compared to the vast archive. But be aware whatever I would like to be released , how much I would love Demo's snd new takes... Queen is BM and RT and those are living in the present and not in the past! For them Queen is the Musical, projects with young artists, new projects etc.etc. They don't carr if you see a dvd of Paris 79 on your tv. Why would they care : the project will cost probably more than it will gain. And if they are interested in a project like e.g. Rainbow , the project gets posponed as soon as a new project comes by : like recording a album with AL , playing with GaGa etc.etc.

The Real Wizard wrote: The fact that not a single person was interested in discussing the evolution of Keep Yourself Alive and the debut album means this place is all but dead. People just come to grab music and leave, almost like it's a dogmatic interest in the "feeling" of getting new things without actually caring about what it is. That makes this more like stamp collecting than a keen interest in understanding where the music came from. In fact, when the latest Queen remasters came out in 2011, some people actually complained that the studio outtakes of songs like Football Fight and Sail Away Sweet Sister weren't good enough for them, despite having yearned and begged for such things for years. If an early version of Dazed And Confused were to emerge with even just a different vocal track, the Zeppelin forums would have had ten pages of discussion dissecting every single note of it by now. This is a completely different version of Keep Yourself Alive capturing it half way between the De Lane Lea demo and the album version, and not a word about it. This is akin to the scientific community discovering a fossil of homo erectus from a period previously unexplored. Those folks would be declaring a national holiday. Maybe it's just what the culture of Queen fans has evolved to become, or perhaps anyone who would have had something to say doesn't post here for the reasons I've mentioned above. Either way, it's a sad state of affairs. If anyone from QP is watching, what impetus is there to release a boxed set if a gem like this leaks out and there is so little reaction? If the hardcore niche of fans doesn't care, why would the man on the street? He's happy with the Greatest Hits album and the We Will Rock You musical. Brian May knows this better than anyone, and that's why the re-releases and the musical are a great success. It's been a good decade overall, and methinks it's time to hang up the gloves.

 The Real Wizard wrote:  If anyone from QP is watching, what impetus is there to release a boxed set if a gem like this leaks out and there is so little reaction? If the hardcore niche of fans doesn't care, why would the man on the street? He's happy with the Greatest Hits album and the We Will Rock You musical.       ________________________________________________________________________________ As I've said previously, Queen Productions may well have missed the boat on a box set of rarities. After a decade or so of re-releases, many fans have drifted off and others are jaded. After all, there's only so much bullshit one can take about "flooding the market" before becoming disillusioned. The "there's no demand" argument is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.    

Holly2003 wrote:

 The Real Wizard wrote:  If anyone from QP is watching, what impetus is there to release a boxed set if a gem like this leaks out and there is so little reaction? If the hardcore niche of fans doesn't care, why would the man on the street? He's happy with the Greatest Hits album and the We Will Rock You musical.       ________________________________________________________________________________ As I've said previously, Queen Productions may well have missed the boat on a box set of rarities. After a decade or so of re-releases, many fans have drifted off and others are jaded. After all, there's only so much bullshit one can take about "flooding the market" before becoming disillusioned. The "there's no demand" argument is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.    

ghostwithasmile wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

 The Real Wizard wrote:  If anyone from QP is watching, what impetus is there to release a boxed set if a gem like this leaks out and there is so little reaction? If the hardcore niche of fans doesn't care, why would the man on the street? He's happy with the Greatest Hits album and the We Will Rock You musical.       ________________________________________________________________________________ As I've said previously, Queen Productions may well have missed the boat on a box set of rarities. After a decade or so of re-releases, many fans have drifted off and others are jaded. After all, there's only so much bullshit one can take about "flooding the market" before becoming disillusioned. The "there's no demand" argument is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.    

^^^^^^ Hehe it is like a marriage : you will have good times and bad times... staying faithfull is hard in bad times ;-)

M.M. wrote: As per queenpedia.com Trident acetate Of The Queen debut LP also contains other songs like Hangman, Rock'n'roll, Jesus. It would be very kind of you Mr. FMH if you also share other stuff. To all queen fans will dreams come true except ferdy.

The Real Wizard wrote: It actually wasn't intentional.