inu-liger 18.01.2013 00:58 |
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The Real Wizard 18.01.2013 01:26 |
One vote for no. I guess Anton has already voted.. |
john bodega 18.01.2013 02:07 |
Moderators, as in plural?? Get real - we only need one, and you all know who it would be. And I wouldn't welp too loudly, either - I've seen you engage with trolls before and yours would be some of the posts I'd probably delete. Hell, I can think of a fair few of my own posts that I'd probably excise. I definitely agree with the gist of this though. More regular cleanups need to take place. People go on about "Don't feed the trolls!" but the fact of the matter is that not everyone on the forum has been around long enough to know the difference between a troll and a plain old asshole. Troll feeding is inevitable - it's human nature. More regular moderation and deletion of repeat offenders would make it less worthwhile for these asshats to continue doing what they do. And QZ doesn't even need a hard bastard like me to do that job - they just need someone who can sign in more than once a month to look the place over and respond to complaints. |
waunakonor 18.01.2013 14:07 |
I agree with all previously mentioned sentiments. |
Saint Jiub 18.01.2013 19:04 |
Actually, all that is needed is the self-control to not reply to trolls. |
john bodega 19.01.2013 06:46 |
Panchgani wrote: Actually, all that is needed is the self-control to not reply to trolls.I've already explained why that's bull though. It's an unfortunate fact that not every user knows what a troll is. |
matt z 19.01.2013 16:22 |
I voted no I'm against most censorship especially on this site. Its actually pleasant to see some people shut up (assuming) as a result of the community. Exceptions being that whole *"PLEASE DELETE" group of vitriolic messages from "that one dude" somehow connected to qpl.... and the asshole who kept posting Treasure Troll posts and nonsense. Though I can see how someone can be provoked into it Haven't been around as much as most of y'all though |
matt z 19.01.2013 16:30 |
*case in point above IF QZ had full moderation I wouldn't be able to use the word "asshole" even though it was not used to accost anyone. |
inu-liger 19.01.2013 16:32 |
matt z wrote: I'm against most censorship especially on this site. Its actually pleasant to see some people shut up (assuming) as a result of the community.I feel you're missing the point though, matt. The problem is that logic you're hoping would work, people shutting up as a result of the community piling on them, just really doesn't work for all intents and purposes pertaining to what this poll is about, especially with the trolls. That tactic has only served to degradation the quality of the site and the community itself, ironically enough, because the laissez faire attitude from the admins has indirectly encouraged people to become so vitriolic especially out of anger dealing persisently with these trolls over the years, to the point where we have lost a significant amount of good, classy and trustworthy users as a result of little to no intervention on the admins' parts. Some among us who've been long-term users on this website have been insisting for over 10 years that there should be some form of moderation, even with LESS moderating than QOL! And we would only be told to just let things be the way they are, and that oh things would work themselves out. I'm sorry, but things have most certainly NOT worked themselves out! These issues are still here, and getting worse every passing year. We're not asking for the ouster of YV or Richard, we're simply asking for common sense by adding an individual or two who can oversee maintaining order on this forum. FFS. /rant over |
inu-liger 19.01.2013 16:33 |
matt z wrote: *case in point above IF QZ had full moderation I wouldn't be able to use the word "asshole" even though it was not used to accost anyone.You know it's funny, I've seen swear words occasionally used even by mods over at QOL :-) I wonder where you're getting that impression from... |
The Real Wizard 19.01.2013 22:07 |
matt z wrote: IF QZ had full moderation I wouldn't be able to use the word "asshole" even though it was not used to accost anyone.Nobody's calling for full moderation. People are calling for *some* moderation. There is a happy medium between dictatorship and full-out anarchy, you know.. |
inu-liger 20.01.2013 01:20 |
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john bodega 20.01.2013 02:16 |
"I voted no I'm against most censorship especially on this site" Removing spam isn't censorship. It's called 'not shitting where you eat'. |
Whenihearthatrockandroll 20.01.2013 03:40 |
Moderation and tight restriction on all who are not British, I'm fully agree with this! |
waunakonor 20.01.2013 15:40 |
The Real Wizard wrote:While that's true, I think what matt's concerned about is if that gets out of hand. It would start off minimalistic enough, but it might end up getting more strict as time goes on. It's hard to tellmatt z wrote: IF QZ had full moderation I wouldn't be able to use the word "asshole" even though it was not used to accost anyone.Nobody's calling for full moderation. People are calling for *some* moderation. There is a happy medium between dictatorship and full-out anarchy, you know.. |
The Real Wizard 20.01.2013 16:26 |
waunakonor wrote: While that's true, I think what matt's concerned about is if that gets out of hand. It would start off minimalistic enough, but it might end up getting more strict as time goes on. It's hard to tellIndeed, it might. But the current situation is definitely already out of hand. I'd take "might" over "definitely" any day of the week and twice on Sunday. And today's Sunday. The "let's be nice to everyone" strategy has been nice, but clearly it doesn't work. If this forum engine cannot ban an IP address, then it's time to start again from scratch. |
Saint Jiub 20.01.2013 19:05 |
Ten years or so ago, there was more than one moderator ... At that time, a Queenzoner (who is currently active on this site) had the audacity to call someone a "cunt". Gasp!!! The vocal majority of Queenzoners were outraged and screamed bloody murder to ban the QZ user who uttered such filth. ... and the moderator heard the plea of the vocal Queenzoners, and succumbed to their demands that this "troll" be permanently banned from Queenzone. However, there were several level-headed humble Queenzoners that correctly observed that this banning was a cowardly act of censorship. These humble Queenzoners were distraught and beseeched the God of Queenzone to have mercy and reinstate the wrongly banned Queenzoner. ... and the God of Queenzone did heavily sigh and indicated that he would review the matter. ... whence the review was completed the God of Queenzone was confounded and did not understand understand what the big deal was ... and he did reinstate the unjustly banned Queenzoner, and didst request that Queenzoners no longer get their panties in a bunch over such trivial complaints. |
Saint Jiub 20.01.2013 19:17 |
As for the "benefits" of moderation, perhaps one could look at QOL as a model of "proper" moderation. LOL I have not visited QOL for well over 5 years, but back then QOL moderators too often would have their heads grow three sizes too large, and ban posters at a drop of a hat. Perhaps QOL is not as bad as it used to be ... As for QZ, if there were new moderators, which Queenzoners would be qualified to administer QZ without getting a big head and abusing their newfound power? I know I am not qualified ... |
john bodega 20.01.2013 22:25 |
I'd be a great moderator. For about 7 minutes. I'd probably get sick of banning MEDUSA and want to take a break from it. |
inu-liger 23.01.2013 00:51 |
Panchgani wrote: As for QZ, if there were new moderators, which Queenzoners would be qualified to administer QZ without getting a big head and abusing their newfound power? I know I am not qualified ...IMO I think either Real Wizard, Gregsynth or Zebonka would make good candidates. I'm actually surprised at the results of the poll so far... 20 for, 4 against! :-) |
matt z 23.01.2013 01:42 |
inu-liger wrote:In all fairness. .. I don't think many qzrs view the PERSONAL section.Panchgani wrote: As for QZ, if there were new moderators, which Queenzoners would be qualified to administer QZ without getting a big head and abusing their newfound power? I know I am not qualified ...IMO I think either Real Wizard, Gregsynth or Zebonka would make good candidates. I'm actually surprised at the results of the poll so far... 20 for, 4 against! :-) I barely started reading it a year ago when I got bored. Its been a dry few months. This and "gun control" have been good topics. ..but ya rarely find contributors |
Pingfah 23.01.2013 09:59 |
I would start with a complete overhaul of the board software before I worried about Moderators. But ideally they would do both. |
Holly2003 23.01.2013 12:16 |
As others have pointed out, Queenzone doesn't need moderators (as I understand the term), it just needs someone to ban obvious trolls, abusive morons and spammers, and for that to be done in a timely manner i.e. not a month after some gimp has crapped all over the forum. However, the owner of this site clearly doesn't want that (otherwise it would've been done already) and as we're all guests here, then we have to respect the owner's views (if indeed s/he has a view and hasn't just abandoned the place). The obvious answer, if you don't like it, is set up your own forum, pay the bills yourself, set your own rules and appoint your own moderators. Then let free market competition decide who is producing the best 'product' -- Queenzone or inu-ligerzone, zebonkazone, etc (actually, that last one sounds like a russian porno site. is it too late to register it? :) |
The Real Wizard 23.01.2013 22:00 |
Holly2003 wrote: However, the owner of this site clearly doesn't want that (otherwise it would've been done already) and as we're all guests here, then we have to respect the owner's views (if indeed s/he has a view and hasn't just abandoned the place). The obvious answer, if you don't like it, is set up your own forum, pay the bills yourself, set your own rules and appoint your own moderators.Of course you're technically right, but it's too bad that this situation is a binary equation as such. There should ideally be some gray area between "take it" and "leave it." If only there was better dialogue with everyone involved, this place could be so much better. |
john bodega 24.01.2013 05:07 |
"we have to respect the owner's views" Actually, we don't. It's not in the terms of service and it's not enforced by moderators. In any case, anyone who's panicking or wailing about censorship in response to the idea of this forum becoming moderated is a bit of a twat. It's already moderated - just very sparingly, and only after weeks of "hey, hey moderator - that guy is back and he's spamming". No one's suggesting any account deletion that doesn't take place already. I just reckon it'd be better if the cleanups took place slightly more often than they do. |
Holly2003 24.01.2013 05:43 |
An observation: one of the reasons trolling is such a problem is that Queenzone has changed from being a discussion forum with some trading/sharing to a trading/sharing forum with some discussion. Trolls shit all over the discussion parts of the forum but they don't affect trading. Therefore, trolls etc aren't a priority to those who might be able to take more timely action against them. Solution? I don't really care that much. Like I said previously, this is the wake not the main event, and entropy is the name of the game. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2013 11:46 |
Zebonka12 wrote: No one's suggesting any account deletion that doesn't take place already. I just reckon it'd be better if the cleanups took place slightly more often than they do.Indeed, that would be a start. But as I said earlier, this forum engine (created by the fellow who runs the website) apparently cannot ban IP addresses. So it's a fundamental flaw that we're going to have to live with. Alternatively, we'll just have to get a life outside of this place. |
waunakonor 24.01.2013 17:50 |
Holly2003 wrote: An observation: one of the reasons trolling is such a problem is that Queenzone has changed from being a discussion forum with some trading/sharing to a trading/sharing forum with some discussion.Huh, I actually don't check the trading parts very often, though maybe I should. The Real Wizard wrote: Alternatively, we'll just have to get a life outside of this place.NO! |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2013 23:13 |
waunakonor wrote:I knew someone would come to the rescue..The Real Wizard wrote: Alternatively, we'll just have to get a life outside of this place.NO! |
john bodega 25.01.2013 00:48 |
"Alternatively, we'll just have to get a life outside of this place" Been there, done that! And I didn't miss it. I can't remember why I came back, actually. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2013 11:54 |
Because you're one of the few people here who doesn't suck? |
john bodega 25.01.2013 12:06 |
That's supposed to be a secret, man. |
inu-liger 25.01.2013 16:04 |
It was a rather poorly kept secret, but it's not yer fault. I might have had somethin' to do with that? ;-) |
catqueen 25.01.2013 20:07 |
A bit of moderation would be great -- not over the top, but enough that there could be better discussions again. I used to come on QZ a lot, but now i rarely come cos there's so little discussion and it's full of spammers, and it just seems like a lot of effort to read the spam to get to the good stuff. And it seems like a lot of people have stopped posting much, and i suspect that if there were less trolls, people might be more inclined to stay around and post more. |
Donna13 26.01.2013 10:11 |
I guess my vote would be "no" on the censoring or removing of content of posts, unless real hatred or threats are the only content (and this is rare but it has happened a few times here when we get a completely mean and angry person or, in the case of Jake, an anti-social personality hanging around here ... and people do not heed warnings, but interact with the anti-social person anyway). And in those cases, of course, banning quickly would be the best thing to do. There are too many naive and innocent Queenzoners. This also brings to mind the young ones here who do not have the experience to realize they should not give out all their personal information and that they do not have to respond to everyone. It has been a while since that issue has come up here, but I think there is a duty to the teens that post here. I would vote "yes" for moderation on obvious issues: spam, people with multiple user names (name changes are fine, but people usually notify other people at the time), and the banning of the already banned. Also, moving threads to the correct forum or deleting certain posts if the poster requests it (starting a thread by accident is an example). Because of the sharing feature, we would need someone who understands copyright laws because that would be necessary when knowing what to delete. Also someone who understands the position of the collectors (from a diplomacy angle). So, given all these issues, and I think the need, time-wise, to have a good backup for YV, I think we should have another moderator, or at least an assistant moderator. Among the boys, there is someone who has wanted the job for a long time, and someone who in the past has shown just how good he is at spotting trouble early, and that is Zebonka. I think he would be excellent. Among the girls, there is someone who has always had fairness and logic in mind, and that is GratefulFan. So those would be my top two choices for moderator or assistant moderator to YV. I don't know if GratefulFan would want the job, though. But I know Zebonka wants the job. Ha. He has brought that idea up here for at least five years now. |
Hangman_96 26.01.2013 14:19 |
The funny thing about forums is that they make you keep coming back. |
GratefulFan 28.01.2013 11:41 |
Donna13 wrote: Among the girls, there is someone who has always had fairness and logic in mind, and that is GratefulFan. So those would be my top two choices for moderator or assistant moderator to YV. I don't know if GratefulFan would want the job, though. But I know Zebonka wants the job. Ha. He has brought that idea up here for at least five years now.It was nice to see this faith in me Donna. I appreciate that. :) But we already have a girl moderator in YV. We're just a little short on reliability and consistency at the mo. Left largely on our own as we are now, I think perhaps the best defence is a good content offence. Sometimes I think the energy spent on complaining about the mentally and socially impaired and talking about not posting would be better put towards creating a new topic or finding a way to contribute to somebody else's. |
Donna13 28.01.2013 12:11 |
I don't think things are bad at the moment. The harmless people posting here these days - it is nothing to get upset about, compared to some of the stuff here in the past. And maybe some of those bad characters attracted similar types here for a while. |
GratefulFan 28.01.2013 12:38 |
I hear you Donna. They're not bad for me at the moment either. But not long ago I was pretty overwhelmed by what I perceived as egregious and gratuitous negativity towards other posters and the pressure on the 'feelings' topics. There was a point where the whole place started to feel like Augusta National and all of a sudden I felt like the only girl in a locker room and my instinct was to just quietly slide off the end of the bench and slip out the door. That passed. I doubt many if any others could identify this period or shared these feelings. Which illustrates I think the challenges with moderation. Who needs what to feel like the place is an enjoyable use of some of their time? There are no doubt good posters being seriously irked right now by people like the Kapone-shouter and Anton to the point of it wrecking their experience here in a real way that I wouldn't want to diminish because it's mostly rolling off me. The only thing we are truly in control of is the content that counters the nonsense. We can't control the nut cases but we can to some degree collectively control their relative impact, with a rotating ability to overcome the stupidity, as each of us is able during any given period. |
Donna13 28.01.2013 14:37 |
Very good post, GF. I can relate! I can't think of anything to add other than I think this place goes through trends and being a moderator would be a difficult challenge and might not be "fun" at all. Ha. Maybe removing all threat of being banned or shunned or moderated officially might in a funny way make this place less of a tempting target for some. Who knows. That may be the effect we are experiencing right now. I'm hoping that this site continues for a long time. It is a great resource for the fans. I have a five year old second cousin whose "favorite person in the world" is Freddie Mercury - I found out at the last family get together - so this may be a genetic condition in my family. Ha. Or ... I'm thinking, there is a possibility that this Queen fan base may actually be growing rather than shrinking as the years go by. |
waunakonor 28.01.2013 21:23 |
I sure hope this place stays around for a long while. I'm not planning on going anywhere anytime soon. |
Donna13 30.01.2013 06:06 |
So, it is now 32 yes and 10 no. I first voted no because I'm against just anyone becoming a mod here and declaring irritating people trolls or that sort of thing. In my mind, it is not just a censorship thing, but possibly a personality thing. We all might have a different list of who we consider a "troll". So erring on the side of caution was my thinking. But I would like to change my vote to yes now, so I voted again. The real tally should now be 32 yes and 9 no. That is a very healthy majority in favor of moderation. But what is the next step? Are some of you writing to Richard and YV about this? Is there an organized campaign? YV must be very busy these days. We all know how life can become filled with lots of things to do. Is it a matter of writing to them directly because they don't know about this thread? |
inu-liger 30.01.2013 17:32 |
I think I want to wait out another week before approaching them directly (unless either finally notice this topic and decide to participate in the discussion otherwise), give more users time to participate in the poll and ensure there's a more representative view of the users as a result :-) |
Freya is quietly judging you. 31.01.2013 09:40 |
Is there anyone left to moderate? |
inu-liger 31.01.2013 15:58 |
As I previously said Freya, I think Zebonka would be one of the best candidates for the position. |
Holly2003 31.01.2013 16:37 |
How many of your friends have you nominated now? lol |
inu-liger 31.01.2013 16:50 |
Excuse me? |
GratefulFan 31.01.2013 16:54 |
inu-liger wrote: IMO I think either Real Wizard, Gregsynth or Zebonka would make good candidates.Thanks for playing! The correct answer was 3. Thought I better quote you...quickly.... |
inu-liger 31.01.2013 17:02 |
Piss off. This has nothing to do with picking people solely because they're my friends, and close friends at that if this was what you were getting at. If that were the case, on the basis of them being close friends, the list would be very different! My picks had to do more with their quality of character and integrity from my own observations. Have you noticed I haven't nominated myself either? I feel I have too much bias and also would not be able to dedicate a consistent amount of time on a regular basis to overseeing the forums due to personal situations outside of the website. Can't believe this shit. |
Hangman_96 31.01.2013 17:08 |
Real Wizard is the best candidate for being a QZ moderator. |
GratefulFan 31.01.2013 17:20 |
inu-liger wrote: Fuck off. This has nothing to do with picking people solely because they're my friends, and close friends at that if this was what you were getting at. If that were the case, on the basis of them being close friends, the list would be very different! My picks had to do more with their quality of character and integrity from my own observations. Have you noticed I haven't nominated myself either? I feel I have too much bias and also would not be able to dedicate a consistent amount of time on a regular basis to overseeing the forums due to personal situations outside of the website. Can't believe this shit.Oh settle down. Everybody has bias, and friends, and that surely shows up in our judgement of 'quality of character and integrity'. My first choice would be status quo with YV, with a little more consistency and regularity in removing people who have been removed before for the same destructive behaviour. I miss her greater participation here in general. Second choice, somebody who wants the job and has a similar mindset. |
inu-liger 31.01.2013 17:26 |
Sorry GF, but I don't appreciate people accusing me of using a friend-based bias when I make suggestions, that really irks me. That's not how I do things in this context. |
GratefulFan 31.01.2013 17:33 |
It wasn't much of an accusation. More of an observation that there's quite a bit of overlap between your QZ friends and your extensive moderator choices. I thought it was kind of funny anyways, and as I said, human nature. I wouldn't sweat it all that much. |
inu-liger 31.01.2013 17:47 |
It was moreso Holly2003 that ticked me off than you |
Holly2003 31.01.2013 17:50 |
Catch of the day lol |
Gregsynth 31.01.2013 19:24 |
If I was a moderator, I would do my best to listen to everybody. I would listen to both sides (if there's a problem), and stay out of arguments if I can. |
Saint Jiub 31.01.2013 19:47 |
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tcc 01.02.2013 03:23 |
Gregsynth wrote: If I was a moderator, I would do my best to listen to everybody. I would listen to both sides (if there's a problem), and stay out of arguments if I can.I think the role of a moderator here would be just to delete troll posts and troll accounts. No need to moderate arguments - those who argue can sort themselves out. Those people who have been proposed as moderators are regular contributors to this forum. I think we should let status quo remain for the following reasons: 1. If any one of them is appointed, we may lose him or her as a regular contributor of points and opinions. 2. Those who do not like the appointed person may leave the forum, so we would lose their opinions and comments. |
Donna13 01.02.2013 04:13 |
I'm sure Gregsynth would be fair, but his response time for this thread was 13 days. I think the proper order of things should be: 1. Have idea we need more moderation. 2. Ask YV and Richard about this in a private message. 3. Accept result. 4. If answer is positive, allow YV and Richard to select the person(s). So, while interesting to discuss here, I don't think it is a matter of our nominating people. |
inu-liger 01.02.2013 05:00 |
Donna13 wrote: So, while interesting to discuss here, I don't think it is a matter of our nominating people. Agreed. It's really ultimately up to YV and Richard how they would want to go about selecting a mod. |
Gregsynth 01.02.2013 12:54 |
tcc wrote: I think the role of a moderator here would be just to delete troll posts and troll accounts. No need to moderate arguments - those who argue can sort themselves out. Those people who have been proposed as moderators are regular contributors to this forum. I think we should let status quo remain for the following reasons: 1. If any one of them is appointed, we may lose him or her as a regular contributor of points and opinions. 2. Those who do not like the appointed person may leave the forum, so we would lose their opinions and comments.I think that sums it up best. I just want the forum cleaned up from the trolls! |
Freya is quietly judging you. 01.02.2013 14:46 |
inu-liger wrote: As I previously said Freya, I think Zebonka would be one of the best candidates for the position.Any forum moderated by Zebonka would be a fine and magical place to frequent. BUT, Queenzone surely doesn't need a moderator? I remember this exact same discussion 7 years ago. And 6 years ago and 5 years ago and and and... |
inu-liger 01.02.2013 16:30 |
Problem is Freya, the trolling has gotten worse in the last 5 years. I'm sure this issue would not have received as many Yes votes back then because of the attitudes then, but it's undeniable now that the majority of QZ'ers want moderation to deal with this problem as the poll proves |
Freya is quietly judging you. 01.02.2013 17:14 |
I don't see any trolls... I just see a forum without enough interesting people posting and not enough interesting discusion. |
catqueen 01.02.2013 18:17 |
Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: I don't see any trolls... I just see a forum without enough interesting people posting and not enough interesting discusion.*cough* fair point. There used to be a lot of stuff going on, but a lot of people left. |
Donna13 02.02.2013 00:06 |
So, how many "trolls" do we have now? The person who threatened someone by email, who is obsessed with future releases of 1970's concerts, and the person (maybe the same person; just different "character"), who is obsessed with Jeremy Kapone. Who else? I think one or two trolls is about our average at any given point. If people didn't get enjoyment out of interacting with the trolls, then their threads would just drop off down the page. So, one of the options is to just accept them as part of the ecosystem here - like bugs in an organic garden. I don't think the trolls are as harmful to the forum as we might imagine. I was just teasing about your response time being 13 days, Gregsynth. Just wanted to make that clear in case you thought I thought you were not aware of this thread. And I think inu-liger would also be a good mod, and Real Wizard. Anyone who is here often and cares about this place. I am worried about this idea of banning people forever, though. I think I would like to see a "time out" implemented instead (say, 10 days or one month). That would give a troll or another disruptive person a chance to try again, if they really want to continue to participate. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 02.02.2013 02:40 |
catqueen wrote:It was a lot of fun a few years ago, but this place has always been a mix of fun interesting people, dim idiots and of course, trolls. It's just that the balance has become somewhat skewed in recent years and now "trolls" are more noticeable because there's not really anything else going on.Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: I don't see any trolls... I just see a forum without enough interesting people posting and not enough interesting discusion.*cough* fair point. There used to be a lot of stuff going on, but a lot of people left. If I was going to campaign for anything it would be for some of the oldies to come back, or at the very least; some intelligent new folk. Not mods. I'm not sure why I have an opinion on this, since I'm scarcely here. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 02.02.2013 02:55 |
In other news I just scrolled back to 2005 and now my brain hurts. As you were. |
inu-liger 02.02.2013 03:45 |
Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: If I was going to campaign for anything it would be for some of the oldies to come back, or at the very least; some intelligent new folk. Not mods. Not to sound the pessimist, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon. You're forgetting that a lot of people have left partly because of the huge negative, toxic atmosphere that's been present over the last few years, alongside the troll issue. Unlike the troll/mod issue however, I think the negativity issue is going to be an even trickier demon to deal with, considering you'd need a wholesale change in attitude among a lot of the users here towards engaging them in a more positive light. Which ironically could have been something that subconsciously fueled the "censorship" freaks who railed big time against having mods implemented here... After all, when you've developed a negative persona that's gone unchecked for a significant amount of time, you're not going to conveniently let some bloody mod force you to act more like a proper decent human being, god forbid eh? ...then again, I could be speculating much :-P |
Holly2003 02.02.2013 05:26 |
Rather than accuse unnamed individuals, perhaps you could name those "censorship freaks" and also those you consider are not "proper and decent". You can then address them directly, and they can respond in the same way. Please wait though until I get some popcorn and a drink as I'd like to kick back a bit and enjoy what follows. |
Winter Land Man 02.02.2013 06:07 |
Queenzone needs mods. |
inu-liger 02.02.2013 08:06 |
Holly2003 wrote: Rather than accuse unnamed individuals, perhaps you could name those "censorship freaks" and also those you consider are not "proper and decent". You can then address them directly, and they can respond in the same way. Please wait though until I get some popcorn and a drink as I'd like to kick back a bit and enjoy what follows. Forget it. I'm not going to pull a Britt and literally sort through years' worth of topics and postings just to detail those names you want me to name, just to satisfy your personal amusement. I don't have time for that garbage. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 02.02.2013 08:59 |
Jake hardly trolls anymore, does he? He's just a bit of village idiot who needs everything explained to him. |
inu-liger 02.02.2013 09:13 |
No, he doesn't really do that much anymore, thankfully. He just comes in for the rare pisstake like maybe once a year it seems. |
Holly2003 02.02.2013 10:08 |
inu-liger wrote:Holly2003 wrote: Rather than accuse unnamed individuals, perhaps you could name those "censorship freaks" and also those you consider are not "proper and decent". You can then address them directly, and they can respond in the same way. Please wait though until I get some popcorn and a drink as I'd like to kick back a bit and enjoy what follows.Forget it. I'm not going to pull a Britt and literally sort through years' worth of topics and postings just to detail those names you want me to name, just to satisfy your personal amusement. I don't have time for that garbage. Not JUST or even PRIMARILY to satisfy my amusement. If you choose to hide behind general insults but don't have the courage to name those "censorship freaks" and those you label not "proper and decent" then you look like a gimp. But it's up to you ... |
Winter Land Man 02.02.2013 10:18 |
inu-liger wrote: No, he doesn't really do that much anymore, thankfully. He just comes in for the rare pisstake like maybe once a year it seems.Actually it was over two years ago (I think) that I last was here until recently... unless I was drunk and don't remember. |
waunakonor 02.02.2013 12:55 |
inu-liger wrote:You don't need to sort through years of topics, just name people of the top of your head that are relevant right now. It's not as complicated as your making it.Holly2003 wrote: Rather than accuse unnamed individuals, perhaps you could name those "censorship freaks" and also those you consider are not "proper and decent". You can then address them directly, and they can respond in the same way. Please wait though until I get some popcorn and a drink as I'd like to kick back a bit and enjoy what follows.Forget it. I'm not going to pull a Britt and literally sort through years' worth of topics and postings just to detail those names you want me to name, just to satisfy your personal amusement. I don't have time for that garbage. |
john bodega 03.02.2013 06:35 |
"I don't have time for that garbage." I do. I have so many Queenzone screenshots - they have literally unlimited entertainment value. |
inu-liger 03.02.2013 06:38 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "I don't have time for that garbage." I do. I have so many Queenzone screenshots - they have literally unlimited entertainment value. Be my guest :P |
The Real Wizard 03.02.2013 11:44 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "I don't have time for that garbage." I do. I have so many Queenzone screenshots - they have literally unlimited entertainment value.Brilliant. I wouldn't mind if you posted your treasured memories for all to see. You're a man of fine taste, so I have no doubt they will all reek of excellence. |
thomasquinn 32989 03.02.2013 12:27 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Reeking of excellence indeed. 100% pure artist's excellence: linkZebonka12 wrote: "I don't have time for that garbage." I do. I have so many Queenzone screenshots - they have literally unlimited entertainment value.Brilliant. I wouldn't mind if you posted your treasured memories for all to see. You're a man of fine taste, so I have no doubt they will all reek of excellence. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 03.02.2013 14:47 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "I don't have time for that garbage." I do. I have so many Queenzone screenshots - they have literally unlimited entertainment value.I think you need to post these. |
john bodega 04.02.2013 02:07 |
I'm actually really cut up. My computer is so disorganised that I can't find most of my arguments. There was some great Daniel Nester in there too. link This is all I have so far. |
emrabt 04.02.2013 06:29 |
I used to have a great screen shot of Treasure Moment Claiming being Iranian makes him sing more like Freddie. |
john bodega 04.02.2013 09:34 |
Oh, his posts about DMT are hilarious. Words to the effect of DMT being an actual gateway to other dimensions ... and not just a mind altering substance. |
emrabt 04.02.2013 12:44 |
I did keep the URL of this thread, it cheers me up reading it. link And this: link Also some bits of him in long since DELETED posts... link link link link And this is all that's left of the "The aids drugs killed Freddie" thread. link |
inu-liger 04.02.2013 16:29 |
Hah, thanks for the links emrabt! Some hilarious classic reading there |
Raf 04.02.2013 18:30 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Alternatively, we'll just have to get a life outside of this place" Been there, done that! And I didn't miss it. I can't remember why I came back, actually.Your comment made me feel pretty bad about coming back to the forum after a while away from it. :P |
john bodega 05.02.2013 03:12 |
I think it is time Queenzone finally implemented hookers. |
thomasquinn 32989 05.02.2013 05:48 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I think it is time Queenzone finally implemented hookers.That does it. Zeb for moderator, hookers for all! To paraphrase a certain somebody: "I'm starting my own forum. With gambling. And hookers. In fact, forget about the forum and the gambling." |
The Real Wizard 05.02.2013 10:15 |
^ this. |
shannaschaffer 07.02.2013 14:39 |
How about Brenski? Just kidding - no offense :) I don't know him/her but his posts entertain me. I agree about needing some moderation. I have been lurking here for about 2 years and have been hesitant to post anything. I think it is because I fear the negativity engendered by the trolls will be vented on me if I post something that isn't witty or has been covered before. From what I have read over the years, I agree that Zebonka would be an excellent choice. |
GratefulFan 07.02.2013 15:29 |
shannaschaffer wrote: have been lurking here for about 2 years and have been hesitant to post anything. I think it is because I fear the negativity engendered by the trolls will be vented on me if I post something that isn't witty or has been covered before.And that's the issue right there, as I've tried to express many times before. It's not just the current conversation people crap all over, it's all the conversations that will never happen because of it. I hope you'll wade in despite your fears. There will always be people around willing to support fellow posters in situations that are unreasonable. |
The Real Wizard 08.02.2013 16:57 |
shannaschaffer wrote: I have been lurking here for about 2 years and have been hesitant to post anything. I think it is because I fear the negativity engendered by the trolls will be vented on me if I post something that isn't witty or has been covered before.Be the change you wish you see in the world. Even if it's just on a forum. |
shannaschaffer 11.02.2013 09:07 |
Nice idea, Real Wizard. I will try. |
The Real Wizard 15.02.2013 22:06 |
:-) |
inu-liger 17.09.2013 17:23 |
Bumping this, in the hopes that either Richard or YV will finally take notice, and acknowledge the topic |
john bodega 18.09.2013 04:11 |
I'm disgusted that it even is a topic, considering I've been around so long and still haven't been tapped for moderating. Thing is now (believe it or not) I don't think I could visit reliably enough to do the job properly anymore. I do get a lot of free time, but the ability to just SWOOP on bullshit when I see it is no longer guaranteed. Oh well. You had your chance. |
waunakonor 19.09.2013 22:01 |
I still have some free time. I could do it. I don't have nearly the credentials as some other candidates, but it would certainly be possible for me to act as moderator. Either Richard and YV just don't visit anymore whatsover, which is really sad that they would do that without putting some sort of plan in place, or they see all this and aren't doing anything about it which is also quite sad. Just SAY SOMETHING! |
Gregsynth 19.09.2013 23:06 |
We need some moderation! |
rocknrolllover 20.09.2013 03:40 |
Gregsynth wrote: We need some moderation!You need brain instead of water, dude!! |
thomasquinn 32989 20.09.2013 04:18 |
rocknrolllover wrote:And this post would immediately have been deleted. There, moderation *can* be that simple, inoffensive and uncontroversial, so long as it's just a means of removing spam and meaningless flame posts, and not a petty dictatorship like QOL's forums.Gregsynth wrote: We need some moderation!You need brain instead of water, dude!! |
Gregsynth 20.09.2013 05:13 |
Thomasquinn summed it up in the best possible way. I don't think his post can be topped. |
inu-liger 20.09.2013 14:23 |
I second that ^ |
Saint Jiub 20.09.2013 16:05 |
Inu's hypocritical trolling of the forums by posting Gerry's picture in the General Discussion Adam Lamberty definitely surpasses it: Holly2003 wrote: No answer? I'll make an assumption then that you put his username and signature together and found that image on the web. If so, you do realize that publishing someone's identity on an internet forum is absolutely out of order don't you? It's the worst kind of stalking/trolling/bullying. And yet you have the gall to ask on the personal forum that Queenzone be moderated! If it were, you would be warned or banned. What's worse is that I'm the only one to mention it. Holly2003 wrote: inu-liger wrote: Hmm, I wonder...? "> Did you just publish Gerry's picture? ... gerry wrote: HOLLY2003 - Your absolutley right (inu-liger) had no right to publish my face pic on here, i could easily report him for doing that, and have him banned from this site. yes it is the worst kind of bullying /stalking. i am utterly disgusted that anybody could do that, on these sites. What was he trying to prove for showing my face pic? link |
inu-liger 21.09.2013 03:49 |
Simply put, you don't insult, troll and fuck with me anymore. 13 years of dealing with this kind of shit, and after all the extreme crap I've gone through this year alone, it's my turn to bite back this once. Some of you guys have fucked with me for FAR too long, consider this a methodological warning. I simply took advantage of a failure in Trolling 101: Never leave a public trail if you insist on trolling the crap out of people. And I did NOT publish the picture very technically speaking, Gerry has no one but himself to blame for publishing that picture in the first place, on his own -personal- Facebook account to boot, I only merely hotlinked an image embed to the picture. If YourValentine or Richard demand the take down or any further recourse, that's their call and I will accept whatever (and IF they even bother with the website anymore at this stage anyways) reprimands they issue towards me if they deem it to be past crossing the line. And go ahead, mock me like you always fucking do. Never mind the reasons I am so bitter, negative and perhaps a little bit vengeful these days. I'm your favourite shooting target after all, so who gives a shit how I personally feel these days after putting up with years of you assholes going after me, ridiculing me, often without solid legit basis - even AFTER I've tried to turn myself around over the last few years given my reputation from my first few years here that I have admitted elsewhere could have been handled so much better, and make amends where I could. I really, really don't give a shit anymore at this stage what certain people like you here think of me, there's no point me reasoning with your stained lot, especially not after the DRF fiasco last year. I know who my friends are, and you are not among them. SO fuck you Holly2003, Panchgani, and Gerry the snobbish asshat. |
thomasquinn 32989 21.09.2013 05:18 |
...and while Panchgani was trying to sidetrack this discussion, he has in fact shown that moderation could also benefit the nay-sayers as, despite the fact that I utterly despise Holly and don't particularly care for Panchgani, basic moderation would serve to protect even them from abuse. Because, Inu, even though you've been bullied and the people you were having a go at are incontrovertibly jerks, you were definitely out of line there: you can't bully people just because you were bullied. However, the further escalation of this unfortunate incident would never have happened if (a) moderator(s) had promptly dealt with the issue when it first arose (i.e. when Inu posted a picture that violated another user's privacy). Again, we're not talking about deleting all topics that offend Inu's sensibilities or, say, the religious sensitivities of certain other zoners (regardless of whether that's Catholicism or Stepfordism), but simply the deletion of spam (the recent invasion of new accounts providing links to online stores selling bridal dresses and low-end tablets / copycat cameras or a restaurant somewhere on the eastern seaboard aren't benefiting anyone), flame-wars and illegal content (officially released music/video, personal information of other zoners and the like). Do we really want twenty more html marquees saying "vagina oh yeah", five links to YouTube-videos on how the New World Order blended Freddie's AIDS medication with DMT to kill him (with a soundtrack of a synthesizer committing assault and battery on a tone-deaf cat, courtesy of Treasure Moment) and, most importantly, a fourteen-page topic of me calling Holly a variety of creative albeit universally offensive names? I think waunakonor (who volunteered on page five, I have it in writing so you can't go back on it now!) could do the job, and if a few other non-controversial people could share in the job, we'd all have one less thing to whine about and could probably save a few dozen quid a year on blood-pressure medication. Also, I haven't forgotten about Zeb's promise of hookers for all. |
Holly2003 21.09.2013 12:38 |
inu-liger wrote: Simply put, you don't insult, troll and fuck with me anymore. 13 years of dealing with this kind of shit, and after all the extreme crap I've gone through this year alone, it's my turn to bite back this once. Some of you guys have fucked with me for FAR too long, consider this a methodological warning. I simply took advantage of a failure in Trolling 101: Never leave a public trail if you insist on trolling the crap out of people. And I did NOT publish the picture very technically speaking, Gerry has no one but himself to blame for publishing that picture in the first place, on his own -personal- Facebook account to boot, I only merely hotlinked an image embed to the picture. If YourValentine or Richard demand the take down or any further recourse, that's their call and I will accept whatever (and IF they even bother with the website anymore at this stage anyways) reprimands they issue towards me if they deem it to be past crossing the line. And go ahead, mock me like you always fucking do. Never mind the reasons I am so bitter, negative and perhaps a little bit vengeful these days. I'm your favourite shooting target after all, so who gives a shit how I personally feel these days after putting up with years of you assholes going after me, ridiculing me, often without solid legit basis - even AFTER I've tried to turn myself around over the last few years given my reputation from my first few years here that I have admitted elsewhere could have been handled so much better, and make amends where I could. I really, really don't give a shit anymore at this stage what certain people like you here think of me, there's no point me reasoning with your stained lot, especially not after the DRF fiasco last year. I know who my friends are, and you are not among them. SO fuck you Holly2003, Panchgani, and Gerry the snobbish asshat.Where do I even start to reply to all of that self-serving, whiny, duplicitous bullshit. Holy fuck, that was among the most pathetic things I've ever read on this forum. Do you REALLY believe you did nothing wrong? Are you REALLY claiming that until a moderator tells you otherwise, you did nothing wrong (bearing in mind you started this topic to complain that there ARE NO MODERATORS)? You 100% did publish Gerry's pic on this forum, which is what I said originally. You didn't like what he had to say so you trawled the net like a creepy little stalker until you found his FB page. You then posted his profile pic here to try to intimidate or embarrass him. What's worse is that you either have no clue that what you did was wrong or you do know and aren't mature enough to admit it. And what's even worse is that Queenzone has become such a shithole that you will likely get away with it. |
Holly2003 21.09.2013 12:43 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: ...and while Panchgani was trying to sidetrack this discussion, he has in fact shown that moderation could also benefit the nay-sayers as, despite the fact that I utterly despise Holly and don't particularly care for Panchgani, basic moderation would serve to protect even them from abuse. Because, Inu, even though you've been bullied and the people you were having a go at are incontrovertibly jerks, you were definitely out of line there: you can't bully people just because you were bullied. However, the further escalation of this unfortunate incident would never have happened if (a) moderator(s) had promptly dealt with the issue when it first arose (i.e. when Inu posted a picture that violated another user's privacy). Again, we're not talking about deleting all topics that offend Inu's sensibilities or, say, the religious sensitivities of certain other zoners (regardless of whether that's Catholicism or Stepfordism), but simply the deletion of spam (the recent invasion of new accounts providing links to online stores selling bridal dresses and low-end tablets / copycat cameras or a restaurant somewhere on the eastern seaboard aren't benefiting anyone), flame-wars and illegal content (officially released music/video, personal information of other zoners and the like). Do we really want twenty more html marquees saying "vagina oh yeah", five links to YouTube-videos on how the New World Order blended Freddie's AIDS medication with DMT to kill him (with a soundtrack of a synthesizer committing assault and battery on a tone-deaf cat, courtesy of Treasure Moment) and, most importantly, a fourteen-page topic of me calling Holly a variety of creative albeit universally offensive names? I think waunakonor (who volunteered on page five, I have it in writing so you can't go back on it now!) could do the job, and if a few other non-controversial people could share in the job, we'd all have one less thing to whine about and could probably save a few dozen quid a year on blood-pressure medication. Also, I haven't forgotten about Zeb's promise of hookers for all.Well done Thomas. You managed to repeat everything I said on page 2 of this thread, only using three times as many words. Maybe if you weren't so long winded you could get that 15 pages of insults down to single figures. |
inu-liger 21.09.2013 12:56 |
Come back and talk to me when you've yourself walked in my shoes for just as many years being bullied, taken advantage of, and systematically have your soul and dignity torn apart. Until then, you will NEVER understand my anger and why I am the way I am. |
Holly2003 21.09.2013 13:43 |
Any of the people you want banned might say the same thing. Does that excuse their behaviour? Why should you be given preferential treatment to say and do what you like, while at the same time demanding that others be banned? What you did is worse that most of the spam and trolling on Queenzone. Can you seriously not see that? |
inu-liger 21.09.2013 15:05 |
After some considerable pressure per solid private correspondence, I have removed the picture. You'd better do the same too, Holly. You are now left complicit in republishing the photo until future action is taken to remove your own post. |
Gregsynth 21.09.2013 23:37 |
I think Thomasquinn would be a good moderator. |
john bodega 22.09.2013 10:06 |
"Come back and talk to me when you've yourself walked in my shoes for just as many years being bullied, taken advantage of, and systematically have your soul and dignity torn apart. Until then, you will NEVER understand my anger and why I am the way I am." You sound like Cho. I don't mean this in an even remotely sarcastic way, but if you're actually thinking this way on a regular basis then you should seek professional help, or maybe even just some counselling on a casual basis. Either that or you were just in a shitty mood, in which case disregard this. |
inu-liger 22.09.2013 14:44 |
Zebonka12 wrote: You sound like Cho. I don't mean this in an even remotely sarcastic way, but if you're actually thinking this way on a regular basis then you should seek professional help, or maybe even just some counselling on a casual basis. Either that or you were just in a shitty mood, in which case disregard this.I have actually retained a therapist who I'm seeing on a monthly basis as of recently. Things have gotten very out of hand over the last two years in my personal life which I will admit, dealing with (to quote Lemony Snicket) a series of very unfortunate events which many times have come extremely close to pushing me over the edge, however I don't wish to discuss it in detail publicly given how some certain people choose to react to the things I say and twist things around anyways. But yes I was also in an extremely shitty mood throughout the past week, not helped at all by the awful summer I've had dealing with an unfortunate situation that I should not have been dragged into in the first place IRL. |
john bodega 23.09.2013 00:05 |
That's all fine, just making an observation. Go well! |
inu-liger 23.09.2013 00:14 |
I'll try my best |
rocknrolllover 24.09.2013 02:24 |
You need more coke and old tarts |
Gregsynth 24.09.2013 02:33 |
Knock it off man. |
inu-liger 24.09.2013 12:21 |
Paging YourValentine... Paging YourValentine... Cleanup in Aisle Troll please... |
rocknrolllover 25.09.2013 00:27 |
inu-liger wrote: Paging YourValentine... Paging YourValentine... Cleanup in Aisle Troll please...Where you seen trolls, my dear? Where? The trolls are mythical creatures! |
inu-liger 25.10.2013 03:36 |
*bump* Come on, Barb and Richard. 7 pages on, 9 months later, and you both have both failed to address the issue at the core of this topic nor even acknowledge this topic. What's your excuse? As it stands, the poll results are currently: Yes (54 votes) 71.1% No (22 votes) 28.9% That should be MORE than sufficient enough to prove there is strong agreement by the users here we need moderation around here. |
Saint Jiub 25.10.2013 22:59 |
inu-liger wrote: *bump* Come on, Barb and Richard. 7 pages on, 9 months later, and you both have both failed to address the issue at the core of this topic nor even acknowledge this topic. What's your excuse? As it stands, the poll results are currently: Yes (54 votes) 71.1% No (22 votes) 28.9% That should be MORE than sufficient enough to prove there is strong agreement by the users here we need moderation around here.Richard is the only vote that counts, and unless he has changed his views in the last 9 years, he is unlikely to implement multiple moderators. Less than 9 years ago, Richard stated ... "This board has a very open attidude to freedom of speech, and will always remain so." ... in this topic: link |
Saint Jiub 25.10.2013 23:13 |
Perhaps Richard and Barb are ignoring you because you have no right make demands concerning Queenzone on Richard's website? FYI ... On some websites, repeated bumping of a topic is considered trolling. I met Richard briefly at a US Queen convention about 10 years and discussed his adamant views against censorship and moderation. Anything is possible, but my guess is that his views have not changed much. I also asked him about the official Queenzone t-shirts being sold at the time, and he indicated that he believed that I was the only person to purchase a Queenzone t-shirt. |
inu-liger 25.10.2013 23:31 |
Regardless whether he expressed that view 9 years ago or not, it's like you yourself said: "and unless he has changed his views in the last 9 years..." That being said, is it really that much of a hassle to get either him or YV to officially respond to this topic, whether they agree with the poll results or whether they'd rather stay the course of old?? I'm certain I'm not the only one who would like to know where their views currently stand. This board really is a mess... |
Saint Jiub 25.10.2013 23:52 |
inu-liger wrote: Regardless whether he expressed that view 9 years ago or not, it's like you yourself said: "and unless he has changed his views in the last 9 years..." That being said, is it really that much of a hassle to get either him or YV to officially respond to this topic, whether they agree with the poll results or whether they'd rather stay the course of old?? I'm certain I'm not the only one who would like to know where their views currently stand. This board really is a mess...Perhaps it is too much of a hassle ... and maybe is not worth the aggravation? This reminds me of the many Queenzone posts (over 10 years ago??) that demanded that John Deacon make an official statement regarding his "retirement" rather than John staying quiet about it and being a "Man in the Shadows". |
thomasquinn 32989 26.10.2013 05:20 |
Still, the plain fact remains that an international court has now set a clear precedent: if a forum has illegal content of any kind, posted by any user, the forum's owner (in this case Richard Orchard) is legally responsible and can be held accountable. By proxy, the web host can also be held accountable, and therefore, they can decide to terminate the hosting contract if illegal content is not moderated. Richard's anti-censorship views were very noble in the early 2000s, but they are no longer fully tenable. |
inu-liger 26.10.2013 08:55 |
Indeed. And unlike the early 2000's, Richard now lives in the UK as opposed to Australia, which definitely places him within EU jurisdiction. |
Mr. Britt 30.10.2013 20:22 |
Panchgani wrote: Ten years or so ago, there was more than one moderator ... At that time, a Queenzoner (who is currently active on this site) had the audacity to call someone a "cunt". Gasp!!! The vocal majority of Queenzoners were outraged and screamed bloody murder to ban the QZ user who uttered such filth. ... and the moderator heard the plea of the vocal Queenzoners, and succumbed to their demands that this "troll" be permanently banned from Queenzone. However, there were several level-headed humble Queenzoners that correctly observed that this banning was a cowardly act of censorship. These humble Queenzoners were distraught and beseeched the God of Queenzone to have mercy and reinstate the wrongly banned Queenzoner. ... and the God of Queenzone did heavily sigh and indicated that he would review the matter. ... whence the review was completed the God of Queenzone was confounded and did not understand understand what the big deal was ... and he did reinstate the unjustly banned Queenzoner, and didst request that Queenzoners no longer get their panties in a bunch over such trivial complaints.Those were good days. |
Mr. Britt 30.10.2013 20:31 |
inu-liger wrote: Piss off. This has nothing to do with picking people solely because they're my friends, and close friends at that if this was what you were getting at. If that were the case, on the basis of them being close friends, the list would be very different! My picks had to do more with their quality of character and integrity from my own observations. Have you noticed I haven't nominated myself either? I feel I have too much bias and also would not be able to dedicate a consistent amount of time on a regular basis to overseeing the forums due to personal situations outside of the website. Can't believe this shit.The oldest trick in the book, "I don't want to be moderator! I vote for someone else! Not me!" |
Mr. Britt 30.10.2013 20:39 |
inu-liger wrote: Simply put, you don't insult, troll and fuck with me anymore. 13 years of dealing with this kind of shit, and after all the extreme crap I've gone through this year alone, it's my turn to bite back this once. Some of you guys have fucked with me for FAR too long, consider this a methodological warning. I simply took advantage of a failure in Trolling 101: Never leave a public trail if you insist on trolling the crap out of people. And I did NOT publish the picture very technically speaking, Gerry has no one but himself to blame for publishing that picture in the first place, on his own -personal- Facebook account to boot, I only merely hotlinked an image embed to the picture. If YourValentine or Richard demand the take down or any further recourse, that's their call and I will accept whatever (and IF they even bother with the website anymore at this stage anyways) reprimands they issue towards me if they deem it to be past crossing the line. And go ahead, mock me like you always fucking do. Never mind the reasons I am so bitter, negative and perhaps a little bit vengeful these days. I'm your favourite shooting target after all, so who gives a shit how I personally feel these days after putting up with years of you assholes going after me, ridiculing me, often without solid legit basis - even AFTER I've tried to turn myself around over the last few years given my reputation from my first few years here that I have admitted elsewhere could have been handled so much better, and make amends where I could. I really, really don't give a shit anymore at this stage what certain people like you here think of me, there's no point me reasoning with your stained lot, especially not after the DRF fiasco last year. I know who my friends are, and you are not among them. SO fuck you Holly2003, Panchgani, and Gerry the snobbish asshat.That's the funniest post I've read. Hahahaha!!! |
ParisNair 31.10.2013 08:06 |
inu-liger wrote: Come back and talk to me when you've yourself walked in my shoes for just as many years being bullied, taken advantage of, and systematically have your soul and dignity torn apart. Until then, you will NEVER understand my anger and why I am the way I am.Oh man, what exactly have u been thru? |
inu-liger 01.11.2013 03:03 |
That would be something I'd be more comfortable discussing in private, preferably over voice chat. Not keen on writing a novel in public about it. |
inu-liger 01.11.2013 03:07 |
Mr. Britt wrote:Actually, Britt, I am quite serious and humble about it, I am actually NOT interested in becoming a moderator. And I've outlined the reasons for it quite truthfully above, as you yourself quoted.inu-liger wrote: Piss off. This has nothing to do with picking people solely because they're my friends, and close friends at that if this was what you were getting at. If that were the case, on the basis of them being close friends, the list would be very different! My picks had to do more with their quality of character and integrity from my own observations. Have you noticed I haven't nominated myself either? I feel I have too much bias and also would not be able to dedicate a consistent amount of time on a regular basis to overseeing the forums due to personal situations outside of the website. Can't believe this shit.The oldest trick in the book, "I don't want to be moderator! I vote for someone else! Not me!" I'm just dedicated moreso to lobbying this site to adopt more moderation and to get with the times about it. |
Mr. Britt 01.11.2013 15:31 |
inu-liger wrote:Allright, Guilbault.Mr. Britt wrote:Actually, Britt, I am quite serious and humble about it, I am actually NOT interested in becoming a moderator. And I've outlined the reasons for it quite truthfully above, as you yourself quoted. I'm just dedicated moreso to lobbying this site to adopt more moderation and to get with the times about it.inu-liger wrote: Piss off. This has nothing to do with picking people solely because they're my friends, and close friends at that if this was what you were getting at. If that were the case, on the basis of them being close friends, the list would be very different! My picks had to do more with their quality of character and integrity from my own observations. Have you noticed I haven't nominated myself either? I feel I have too much bias and also would not be able to dedicate a consistent amount of time on a regular basis to overseeing the forums due to personal situations outside of the website. Can't believe this shit.The oldest trick in the book, "I don't want to be moderator! I vote for someone else! Not me!" |