someonewholikesadam 21.12.2012 07:38 |
QUEEN AND ADAM LAMBERT NAMED BEST LIVE ACT OF 2012Gigwise readers name rescheduled Sonisphere gigs as the year's best I don't think this show would have been #1 without their amazing new frontman, Adam Lambert!! |
david (galashiels) 21.12.2012 07:54 |
the video should be good ???? |
rocknrolllover 21.12.2012 08:38 |
Adam Lambert the nightmare for everyone loyal fan of Queen, I think and Hope. |
madmetaltom 21.12.2012 08:56 |
He ant amazing. |
GratefulFan 21.12.2012 09:37 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: QUEEN AND ADAM LAMBERT NAMED BEST LIVE ACT OF 2012Gigwise readers name rescheduled Sonisphere gigs as the year's best I don't think this show would have been #1 without their amazing new frontman, Adam Lambert!! |
GratefulFan 21.12.2012 09:38 |
someonewholikesadam I don't think this show would have been #1 without their amazing new frontman, Adam Lambert!!True enough! Because then you wouldn't have the obsessed fanbase nuttier than 183 people who split a gut at Greg Brooks' jokes who never even saw the show skipping their grand daughter's dance recital or something to vote 47,000 times. I guarantee you the fan sites are going to be overfloweth with evidence of poll manipulation on this. If I had more time I'd dig up the threads I know are there because they're usually good for a small giggle and a head shake at the eternal strangeness of human nature. Other than all that, nice to see you and hope you are well. |
brENsKi 21.12.2012 10:32 |
Queen + Adam lambert would only just scrape fourth place in a list only containing three gigs...including Steps and S-club-seven |
Hangman_96 21.12.2012 10:52 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I don't think this show would have been #1 without their amazing new frontman, Adam Lambert!!Please tell me you're kidding. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 21.12.2012 10:53 |
I enjoyed these shows.... It was so much more "old fashioned"Queen compared to PR. with his bluesy voice. This really rocked... We can all moan... but the fact is : NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012 !!! I loved these shows.... Queen rocked !!!! Great stage , great lightning, BM and RT excellent vocals, AL good leadsinger !!! No I have to go because my Mayan calender tells me this world will end... But here is a secret : people which have never moaned on Queenzone will survive..... Only those which never moant on this website will live for another day.... Goodbye moaners rot in hell.... |
brENsKi 21.12.2012 11:17 |
ghostwithasmile wrote: We can all moan... but the fact is : NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012 !!! .NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012= NO COMPLAINTS FROM ME |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 21.12.2012 13:49 |
brENsKi wrote:2012 + IRA attacks = no complaint from meghostwithasmile wrote: We can all moan... but the fact is : NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012 !!! .NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012= NO COMPLAINTS FROM ME |
freddie11 21.12.2012 14:20 |
bollocks |
Fireplace 21.12.2012 14:48 |
Yup. Damn decent of Freddie to waste away, die and make room for the mega-talent that is Adam Lambert. Now can we please return to GB's Snickers? |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 21.12.2012 15:52 |
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Holly2003 21.12.2012 16:06 |
ghostwithasmile wrote:brENsKi wrote:2012 + IRA attacks = no complaint from meghostwithasmile wrote: We can all moan... but the fact is : NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012 !!! .NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012= NO COMPLAINTS FROM ME WTF is that supposed to mean? |
brENsKi 21.12.2012 16:32 |
double post - sorry angry! |
brENsKi 21.12.2012 16:34 |
brENsKi wrote:ghostwithasmile wrote:where the fuck did that come from you cheeky c*nt? oh i see...you see my avatar and think i'm a terrorist...well you cheeky disrespectful arsehole - best check your facts first...my avatar is a copy of my tattoo - which is my own design as a tribute to my dead father and brother (it says "dad" & "gez" under the shamrock - fool!) ...wise assbrENsKi wrote:2012 + IRA attacks = no complaint from meghostwithasmile wrote: We can all moan... but the fact is : NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012 !!! .NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012= NO COMPLAINTS FROM ME |
dysan 22.12.2012 07:22 |
I agree with ghostwithasmile. I enjoyed the shows very much |
Heavenite 22.12.2012 07:35 |
ghostwithasmile wrote:Sometimes these guys might go over the top for most Queen fans with their anti-AL stuff. I mean would definitely go and see QAL, if I didn't live in Australia or if they ever remember we exist, even if Kylie was up front.....looool..brENsKi wrote:2012 + IRA attacks = no complaint from meghostwithasmile wrote: We can all moan... but the fact is : NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012 !!! .NO ADAM LAMBERT = NO QUEEN PERFORMANCE in 2012= NO COMPLAINTS FROM ME But yours has got to be the most unwarranted and provocative post I have seen in a long while. That's the sorta stuff that keeps wars going mate. And that doesn't make a lot of sense to me or any sane individual I would think. |
Thistle 22.12.2012 09:30 |
There was absolutely no need for that, ghostwithasmile. Show some fucking respect.... Brenski, Holly - I am so sorry that idiots like this are allowed here. That's totally unacceptable. Fucking irrate right now. Excuse the language :( |
Thistle 22.12.2012 09:38 |
And I know that was the fucker's desired response. Sadly, he/she or whatever it is got it. I'm away for a game of bowling - every pin will be that little prick's head. I will get my highest score!!!! |
dysan 22.12.2012 09:45 |
Ah.. I didn't see the rest of that :o( |
PrimeJiveUSA 22.12.2012 11:30 |
This is the hardest-hitting I have seen a thread become in a long while! Hopefully, the temperature will lower to a level where we can discuss Adam Lambert in a more civil manner. |
john bodega 22.12.2012 11:41 |
Given that the best parts of the Q+AL shows were the parts where Adam Lambert wasn't interfering, you could probably make a strong case for Brian and Roger not needing him there at all. |
dsmeer 22.12.2012 12:30 |
ADAM who???? |
DrumSter 22.12.2012 12:48 |
Q+AL shows were awful, not even close to any of Q+PR shows, and i'm not even talking about Queen+Freddie. |
Holly2003 22.12.2012 15:50 |
Thanks Thistleboy. Must admit I'd completely forgotten about Adam Lambert until now. His profile in the UK is zero. |
PrimeJiveUSA 22.12.2012 16:47 |
Holly...his profile here in the States has dwindled to next-to-nothing. |
GratefulFan 22.12.2012 17:11 |
The best thing about Adam's profile is the Glambulge. It dwindled once, but I wrote it a letter and it perked right up. Signed, Gladys in Kentucky |
YAFF 22.12.2012 19:28 |
Seriously, why does the National Association of the Deaf even bother giving out awards? |
waunakonor 22.12.2012 19:45 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Given that the best parts of the Q+AL shows were the parts where Adam Lambert wasn't interfering, you could probably make a strong case for Brian and Roger not needing him there at all.I know! I watch Roger's performances on YouTube fairly frequently because his renditions of A Kind of Magic and Days of Our Lives are beautiful. Brian's also great, though a little weak. And then there's that video of the two of them doing I Was Born to Love You at Queen+PR, which is just magical. |
tomcat39 26.12.2012 13:11 |
Fan voted yes. But at least there was something to vote for. |
someonewholikesadam 28.12.2012 21:20 |
#1. This was not a fan manipulated poll. #2. You are all full of it. #3. An artist with 1.7 million Twitter followers is not exactly fading into obscurity. #4. This is the only funny comeback. Inane but funny. And I quote: "Seriously, why does the National Association of the Deaf even bother giving out awards?" |
Marknow 29.12.2012 03:09 |
I am delighted to hear this little bit of positive news. I was there in Hammersmith on the 12th, up in the balcony, and it was truly amazing. Adam Lambert is going to be around for a long time, he has talent, great stage presence, and had a fantastic report with fans that knew very little about him. Fuck the naysayers, most of whom did not bother their assess going to see the show, but still feel qualified to disparage it. More in 2013 please. Bruce Springsteen is playing a stadium gig in my home town next year, and I can't wait for that, the first Stadium gig in Cork since Oasis in 1994, with that said if Queen + AL tour next year, I'll be selling my Springsteen ticket to fund Seeing Queen + AL. I am not into his solo work, nor am I a big fan of Adam, but I really respect him for all the hard yards he put in with Brian & Roger. |
brENsKi 29.12.2012 04:49 |
Marknow wrote: Fuck the naysayers, most of whom did not bother their assess going to see the show, but still feel qualified to disparage it. More in 2013 please. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ well, right at the end of the year, you grabbed the "most ridiculous comment" award. well done on the basis of your comment, we should all be going to see Girls Aloud, the Saturdays and the Steps reunion tour...because unless we don't "get off our asses" and see them, then we cannot "feel qualified to disparage it" ???? what a load of rubbish, we have ears...the same ears that hear GA, saturdays, steps et al, also hear AL belting out his over-dramatised self-promoting faux-sincere souless expressions and i for one (of many many many queen fans) - don't like it one bit. all the best, Qualified to disparage |
Marknow 29.12.2012 05:24 |
If you think listening to a boot or watching a boot dvd gives you the full expereance of the show that is your opinion, and you are welcome to it. :) Did you stand up on your chair singing for over 2 hours, and roaring approval betweeen each song while you listened to your boots? My arse you did. Were you hoarse the next day from screaming along with 5,000 other people? Do you want to hear my opinion on Girls Aloud, the Saturdays and the Steps reunion tour? Guess what, I do not have any opinion on them because I have not SEEN them live, I am not Qualified to comment. Barstool politics, at best. I was there and I fucking loved it. The people over at Gigwise are obviously misinformed idiots like me too? The tour was a MAJOR success, NOTHING you and you fellow troglodytes can do or say will change that. Tough shit buddy, you missed out big time. |
brENsKi 29.12.2012 05:45 |
you're missing the point. that being - it's about taste - forget the gig (being there vs dvd) i have done neither it's about whether your ears like what they hear. and, as i pointed out like girls aloud, saturdays, steps and many others...AL is another "singing voice" i don't like - i don't get on with it, hate everything about his "sound". that is it. another thing - having a different opinion does not make me any kind of "ite" - trog, ludd or otherwise i don't live in a cave, and i don't have outdated musical tastes/opinions - you have NO fucking idea what music i like or have in my collection - which makes YOUR "troglodyte" comment ignorant a final point - B'ham NEC 1979, MK Bowl 1982, Bham NEC 1984, Wembley 1986 and Knebworth 1986 - say's i did NOT miss out bigtime. i suggest that unless YOU saw queen live in their heyday with definitive - no pop-idol collab line-ups then it's YOU who missed out - gargantuan-time... owned!!! |
john bodega 29.12.2012 05:58 |
People who want more Q+AL seem to keep offering irrelevancies. There's a pattern here, I know it. |
Marknow 29.12.2012 06:21 |
brENsKi wrote: that being - it's about taste - forget the gig (being there vs dvd) i have done neither Forget the gig? You do realise this thread is about the gig and nothing else, the clue is in the title "Queen and Adam Lambert Best Live Gig " "(being there vs dvd) i have done neither" And yet you are happy to broadcast your uninformed opinion as if it is fact. It's nothing personal, but you have basically made my point for me. You did not bother to see any of the shows or even watch or listen to a boot, yet you are under the impression that your uninformed opinion some how counts for something, It doesn't. YV went to a show, not sure which one, and I am not quoting her verbatim, but she said she felt alienated and did not really enjoy the show. I fully respect that opinion because she experienced it and is therefore qualified to comment on it. What's up next for you? The birth of Jesus, The true facts, by Brenski, who passed a church one day in his car, therefor he is knows it all. Take my dumb post of the year award and stick where the sun don't shine. *"sciolist"...Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed". |
Marknow 29.12.2012 07:02 |
ghostwithasmile wrote: 2012 + IRA attacks = no complaint from me Wow, what a complete fucking scumbag you are, how could anyone feel joy to hear about Innocent people going about their daily life getting wiped out by murdering thugs. Any chance you will pm me your home address? I would be happy to give Ryanair a tenner so we could have a face to face discussion on this. You fucking coward. I hope you die screaming. |
GratefulFan 29.12.2012 08:07 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: #1. This was not a fan manipulated poll. #2. You are all full of it.link Of special note: "Maybe Adam is finally becoming famous enough. He won this poll even though there are a few of us who didn't even know about it to dedicate hours to voting. LOL" And the three year old "Werk for Adam" thread featured the Gigwise poll. link The evolving opening post on that thread makes completely clear how entrenched this behaviour is. There are goals. link The prevailing culture in the obsessed and entitled Adam Lambert fan world makes these 'victories' hollow and utterly meaningless. Like his "number one" album that slunk off the charts in near record time when the fan buying frenzy collapsed in inevitable exhaustion. |
brENsKi 29.12.2012 08:39 |
Marknow wrote: Forget the gig? You do realise this thread is about the gig and nothing else, the clue is in the title "Queen and Adam Lambert Best Live Gig " "(being there vs dvd) i have done neither" And yet you are happy to broadcast your uninformed opinion as if it is fact. It's nothing personal, but you have basically made my point for me. You did not bother to see any of the shows or even watch or listen to a boot, yet you are under the impression that your uninformed opinion some how counts for something, It doesn't. *"sciolist"...Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".why would ANYONE go to a gig if they don't like the singers' voice? - that's my fucking point - i don't like his voice...so i won't go to see him. you really are simple if you don't get that. on the basis of your argument - you can NEVER pass an opinion on somehting unless you went to a gig? bollocks. my opinion is that i hate his voice - SO I WILL NOT ATTEND that does not make me unqualified to comment - ON HIS VOICE....you are mental. btw - you console yourself with your "plastic queen" gig...i saw the real bona-fide 24 carat gold version - five times matey...in their peak....before they became the sad cabaret act you laud so over-sincerely and disproportionately...methinks you're jealous that you never got to see the greatest live band live....all you got to see was a fucking queen tribute act - and it wasn't even in the top five of queen tributes. poor you |
Marknow 29.12.2012 09:10 |
"why would ANYONE go to a gig if they don't like the singers' voice? - that's my fucking point " That's not the point you made at all. "Queen + Adam lambert would only just scrape fourth place in a list only containing three gigs...including Steps and S-club-seven" WRONG Best Live Act 2012, Gigwise readers poll. Despite your opinion of Al's voice. Dude, I was 3 when Queen played in Newcastle in 1979, doubt I would have enjoyed it had I attended, I was into nursery rhymes at the time. I am no more jealous of you than I am of somebody who watched the moon landing live on TV in 1969, another momentous event I missed due to my lack of existence at the time. Now, as I said previously in this thread "I am not into his solo work, nor am I a big fan of Adam, but I really respect him for all the hard yards he put in with Brian & Roger." This thread is about the concerts, not Al's singing ability, or lack of. The gigs were a roaring success, fine you don't like Al's voice, personally I don't give a shit how he sounds, I'm a Queen fan, I didn't go to see AL I went to see Brian & Rog play, maybe for the last time. If they play in 2013 I'll gladly go again. The concerts were FUCKING brilliant. This thread is about the concerts, If you want to discuss Al's singing ability I suggest you start a thread on said subject, I am certain you will have a avalanche of people who agree with you. I won't contribute though, because I have not examined his singing ability with the zeal of a forensic scientist, unlike others. |
someonewholikesadam 29.12.2012 09:27 |
Ah, you have done your homework, Grasshopper. otherwise known as Grateful Fan). Well, if Glamberts "manipulated" the poll, they were probably at the show and thought it WAS the best live gig of 2012. |
john bodega 29.12.2012 11:26 |
"fine you don't like Al's voice, personally I don't give a shit how he sounds" For me, it's kind of important in that he gets more upfront stage time than the other two, and he isn't up to par. I guess it's possible for some people to go to a show and simply filter out the stuff that displeases them - I could probably do it myself. But I don't see why I should have to. Brian and Roger ought to be able to rustle up some better singers than this guy. "An artist with 1.7 million Twitter followers is not exactly fading into obscurity." This reminded me of an article I read the other day about fake followers and it encouraged me to check on my own. Apparently, 58% of mine are 'Good', 38% are 'Inactive' and 9% are 'Fake'. I'm displeased by the last bit, mainly because I can't think of anyone who'd be willing to A) inflate the numbers illegitimately, but B) do such a woefully small job of it. Still, as is rather impressive for a celebrity twitter, only 12% of Lambert's seem to be fake. That's only 216000. I'm impressed by the restraint of you people. 52% are inactive (probably busy voting in online polls) and the rest are 'Good'. I would hope that the number of Twitter followers would be self-evident in its utter meaningless in any conversation about a singer. Ted Neeley has 982 followers, which (if I run some rather complex calculations) results in literally the only contest between Ted Neeley and Adam Lambert in which Lambert would come out on top. "Fuck the naysayers" I don't get this blatantly shallow outlook on life. When did I wake up in a world where people are only allowed to say positive things about crap? In case you haven't been paying attention, that's how the Grammys got to be what they're like today. Sometimes (like when Leona Lewis sang Whole Lotta Love) someone has to put their hand up and say, 'am I the only one hearing this shit??'. You might not like it, but you can't really deny people their say in these things - if I were in Adam's situation, I'd rather have honest and negative feedback than a bunch of teenage girls saying either 'he rawwwks' or a grumpy old fella saying 'I don't care what he sounds like, I'm just here for Roger'. *shrug* I dunno. I just think it can all be done better. Feeling like a worn out record here, but as I've said time and again - Lambert wasn't even all that bad when he stopped fucking around and singing offkey. When he keeps his eye on the road, he's a serviceable singer. If they do work together again, I hope they tighten some of the screws. My preference would be that they get someone else. |
Marknow 29.12.2012 11:34 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Fuck the naysayers" I don't get this blatantly shallow outlook on life. When did I wake up in a world where people are only allowed to say positive things about crap? "Fuck the naysayers" is merely my opinion, It is not a deceleration that naysayers are not entitled to have a opinion, how you drew this conclusion eludes me. |
DLCVinnuendo 29.12.2012 11:42 |
I also liked the shows, but it was a fact that the best moments of the concert was when Adam was not around |
someonewholikesadam 29.12.2012 13:44 |
Zebonka, what is an "inactive" Twitter follower? Someone who just reads Adam's tweets and doesn't tweet themselves? That still counts as a Twitter follower, right? And the relevance of the number of Twitter followers was in reference not to singing but to one person's mention that AL was fading into obscurity. Don't think so. And he is currently still touring internationally to sold-out venues. |
john bodega 29.12.2012 14:04 |
"how you drew this conclusion eludes me" You're being a bit of a dildo, though. If you had any integrity, you wouldn't be just damning naysayers for having good solid reasons for thinking this collaboration was a poor fit. You'd be damning the people who liked it, too. There really isn't a difference, is there? It really is the depth of myopia to think that only positive opinions are considered ones and that negative ones are just people being negative for the sake of being negative. I have to say I'm sick of seeing that subtext on this forum. These are the inferences you make when you say 'fuck the naysayers'. If you're not happy with people misinterpreting you, then you should be more clear in your declarations. What is it that you really mean when you say 'fuck the naysayers'? Is that 'fuck everyone who isn't praising this fruitcake'? Or just 'fuck the people who complained without even listening to the shows'? I could get behind the second one - but that's not what you said. I think you'll find most of the people posting on this thread had legitimate comment to make about the Q+AL shows. I stayed up into the wee hours to take part in the thread for Kiev as the show was playing out. I don't think I'm going too far in saying I was constructive in my comments, some of which were positive. 'Fuck the naysayers' is a dimwit attitude to have, is all I'm saying. It's not terribly becoming. |
john bodega 29.12.2012 14:06 |
"it was a fact that the best moments of the concert was when Adam was not around" No kidding! Having given some of the Kiev show a spin recently, it does strike me that Roger's singing is pretty good these days. Kind of sad to hear his drumming get softer though. Even so, it was a lot better when he was on the kit than when his son took over. The drumming for "Kind of Magic" was boring as hell. Pity, because the singing and guitar was effing ace. |
Marknow 29.12.2012 15:32 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "how you drew this conclusion eludes me" You're being a bit of a dildo, though. If you had any integrity, you wouldn't be just damning naysayers for having good solid reasons for thinking this collaboration was a poor fit. I know it was 44C in Perth today, maybe the heat has gotten to you. Can you quote my comments where I defended the "poor fit". Where is my post glorifying Al's singing ability? Again I repeat, for the third time. "I am not into his solo work, nor am I a big fan of Adam, but I really respect him for all the hard yards he put in with Brian & Roger." All of my comments have been directly about the show the band put on, the actual gig, the concerts, the part where they were on a stage making noise. "The Concert I Attended was Fucking brilliant" Am I not entitled to that opinion? To say the show was shite because AL has a poor voice is sheer crap. Why not mail Gigwise and ask them to revise their poll based on the fact that AL has a poor voice. I would love to see the response. Dear Gigwise Can you amend your "Queen and Adam Lambert Voted Best Live Gig Of 2012" to "Queen and Adam Lambert Voted Best Live Gig Of 2012 Even Though Adam Lambert Cannot Sing" Your Faithfully Zebonka12 If this thread was called Adam Lambert voted Best Live Vocalist Of 2012, I'd understand the reaction. Naysayer One who frequently engages in excessive complaining, negative banter and/or a genuinely poor and downbeat attitude. Naysayers are distinguished by their tendency to consistently view the glass half empty, make frequent one-way trips to negative town, and constantly emphasize the worst of a situation. They have the capacity to rant and whine for hours on end about the most insignificant inconveniences. They tend to travel solo, but have the keen ability to spread their pessimistic attitude to a group of unsuspecting bystanders and encourage others to employ their mindset. Naysayers tend to blend in with those around them rather well, granted they have learned over the years to adapt to their surroundings. However, when the opportunity arises, their true nature will be exposed and they will stop at nothing to exclude others or bring a general sense of negativity to any situation. |
Marknow 29.12.2012 16:25 |
Zebonka12 wrote: It really is the depth of myopia to think that only positive opinions are considered ones and that negative ones are just people being negative for the sake of being negative. I have to say I'm sick of seeing that subtext on this forum. My comment from page 2 of this thread. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1333483.html "YV went to a show, not sure which one, and I am not quoting her verbatim, but she said she felt alienated and did not really enjoy the show. I fully respect that opinion because she experienced it and is therefore qualified to comment on it." I'm getting the feeling you have not read much of this thread at all. If you wish to respond directly to me, quote me, and then make your point. You have incorrectly put words in my mouth twice in this thread so far. |
john bodega 29.12.2012 23:31 |
"To say the show was shite because AL has a poor voice is sheer crap." If he was a backing singer or didn't get a lot of time up the front, you'd have a point. I have to laugh at the criteria with which you must be judging the show if you can just pretend that the lead singer isn't there stinking up most of the proceedings and still say a show is 'brilliant'. And stop it with the sad-sack 'you're putting words in my mouth' act. |
john bodega 30.12.2012 00:04 |
"I'm getting the feeling you have not read much of this thread at all" I think it's more likely that you just have a bit of a selective memory when it comes to what you've put in your own posts. The Vietnam-style 'you had to be there!' logic concerning how we evaluate live gigs is also a lot of shite, it needs to be said. It muddies the waters on what exactly it is we're discussing when we talk about the quality of a gig. Just so we're clear, I was only ever commenting on these gigs in musical terms, hence my dissatisfaction with the offkey singing. Can people who weren't at the gig evaluate the gig as a live experience? *shrug* Maybe not, although I suppose you can go off the shots of the crowd and the hyperbole that gets spewed afterwards. I personally don't rely on gig-goers opinions. When I saw the Who, I swear Roger sounded 30 years younger than he did on the recording I took. It makes no difference to me - it was still a great gig - but my on-the-spot impressions were less than reliable in this case. Fuck knows I've attended (and played at!) enough shitty gigs, and heard enough positive commentary afterwards, to know that what punters think of a show isn't always very helpful or insightful. Frequently they're just trying to be supportive of their friends band or whatever, and that's nice, but if you care about the music then it really does clog the conversation up somewhat. There's all kinds of things to take into account when someone has been to a noisy, crowded gig and come away thinking it was brilliant. Sometimes it's a bit of crowd hysteria influence, or it's the way that paying money for something forces you to be rather stubborn about it being great - there's a name for that mode of thinking, but I've forgotten it. Maybe because I hate spending money. It's good for you on a personal level that you can find enjoyment in something like a Q+AL gig, that you're able to tune out the bum notes and all of the schlock, but your attitude indicates that only people who were at the gig should be relied upon for commenting on the quality of the performance - hence the 'respect for YV' and the simultaneous 'fuck the naysayers' attitude. You're probably going to complain 'I never said that!' again, and that's fine, but again this is just the impression you're broadcasting. You are free to reiterate what it is you meant to say, if I've misread you. |
Marknow 30.12.2012 05:14 |
I think a lot of people may have formed negative opinions about the concerts before the first note was played, and there is no convincing them that the concerts were any good, they had already decided Al was just not good enough, that's fair enough, each to their own. brENsKi for example just does not rate AL as a singer, fair enough, he's no Freddie, even I know that much, but then again who is? I think we all agree if somebody tried to do a Freddie it would be crass. Adam did the best he could within his ability, and for me it was good enough, streets ahead of PR's crooning efforts on the previous Queen+ tours. No live event is perfect and lord knows Fred screwed it plenty of times on stage too. How many bum notes did Fred hit at live Aid in '85? Plenty, he absolutely murdered HTF, yet it is lauded as the greatest ever live performance by any band. I just find it laughable for somebody to discredit the whole tour because the lead singer has a limited range in comparison to Freddie, Freddie was almost unique as a vocalist, and there really is only a handful of singers who could give Queen's music the same vocal lead Fred had, and you would need to use a handful during one concert to give the music the same sound Fred did, and that would look plain ridiculous. I am sticking to my opinion that the concert I attended was Fantastic. Of course it was not perfect, but the opinion of somebody who was not there, or take the time to view one of the DVD's or BR's, or even listen to a audio boot, does not cannot carry much weight with me. The whole thing reminds me of the note Roger wrote to Rolling Stone on the airline sick bag all those years ago. "Thanks for reviewing our show based only on the sound check" at least the wankers at Rolling Stone listened to the sound check before slagging off the entire South American tour in 1981. The people who left the shows happily entertained at Ukraine, Russia, Poland and the three London concerts counts for ZERO to some, fair enough. We're all just sheep, happy to go along with the buzz, and nice flashing lights we saw, which obviously was enough to distract us from the utter travesty that is the voice of AL. The problem here is that there is a minority of amateur musicians, professional musicians and audiophiles who examine the minutia and miss the bigger picture, they love to have their educated opinions and observations heard, because they are far more educated to critique than the rest of us simple music fans, like me who just like the lights and noise apparently. I freely admit I just liked the sound and the staging of the show and did not examine it to fine detail, I lived in the moment, rather then sitting there analyzing every flaw, shame on me! It's only music or a concert, we are not trying to cure cancer here. The fact is the concerts, despite Al's flaws were still good, they even won a little award from from GIGWISE. In regard to the whole front-man issue, I agree it would be great if the vocalists Queen use now could be a front-man, and lead the show, but that will never happen, Freddie was the only front-man the band ever had. Post Freddie Queen have never had a front-man, they have had a singer. PR was not a front-man nor was/is(?) AL a front-man, they were lead vocalists period. The Front-man/men of Queen in a live concert post Freddie are Bri & Rog, not the vocalist, whoever he/she might be. That will never change. |
Marknow 30.12.2012 06:44 |
This is BM's review of the show I was at, and I agree with every word of it. Look at the image, pay particular attention to the people standing in the balcony for the entire 2+ hours, I'm up there standing on the armrest of my seat, a picture is worth a thousand words is the old saying I think. Fools the lot of us though, right? From Brian May.com http://www.brianmay.com/whatsnew.html http://i.imgur.com/phbRl.jpg" alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /> Credit: Roadie Cam (P. Malandrone) Well, I think we all felt the last couple nights in Hammersmith have been a moment of significance. In fact, perhaps especially last night. The band, as it is now, seems suddenly to have switched into a higher gear - more confident, having more fun … and stepping into new territory … an amazing thought at this stage in our lives and in our careers … to be honest, I would never have thought it possible before this journey with Adam Lambert began. Adam has his own style and path, and there was never any intention that he would be 'another Freddie" - but there are many parallels, in the mechanisms which we've already developed - coming together as an organic band. It's very pure - having no extra guitarist means I am back in the old place, as in the Old Days, completely responsible for holding up the 'wall' of sound, but also completely freeto control the dynamics and 'feel', working more or less as a four-piece - something which is only possible because Adam is such a strong pivot and front-man. No backing singers - no dancers - it's pure - somehow it feels like Rock ought to be … … dangerous and stimulating. It's completely - real. In this epoch of auto-tune and hard discs on stage, that's pretty rare these days. And everybody seems to be having fun. Including … totally … US! Many thanks to you guys in the Hammersmith audience - no bunch of rockers could be more supportive and inspiring. The view above is something nobody else sees … it's from Pete Malandrone … my intrepid and unflappable Guitar Tech - this is the amazing sight from the Apollo (Odeon) stage - you guys are beautiful !! Love Bri ____________________________________________________________________________________ I think I have made my points clear, I can understand the points put forward by you and others, this thread could go on for ever, but life is to short for that, I personally feel I have already put too much of my time into this thread. Maybe we will just have to agree to disagree, I do enjoy the debate but we are going around in circles now. |
DLCVinnuendo 30.12.2012 08:10 |
Did you watch the live show that had the Euro? That show had q see live and then to find a concrete opinion, I liked it, but even I agree that the battery time was weird, without force, remember that the roger ja and old man, no longer has the strength '70s, but his son, Rufus, it was but the battery has not changed much, from 0 to 10, I would note 7. Ps: The sensational voice of Roger continues today, as Brian's, although I did not like him singing Tie Your Mother Down. |
someonewholikesadam 30.12.2012 19:23 |
"YV went to a show, not sure which one, and I am not quoting her verbatim, but she said she felt alienated and did not really enjoy the show. I fully respect that opinion because she experienced it and is therefore qualified to comment on" Tell YV to pay for good seats next time and she will not feel alienated. |
GratefulFan 31.12.2012 10:28 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Ah, you have done your homework, Grasshopper. otherwise known as Grateful Fan). Well, if Glamberts "manipulated" the poll, they were probably at the show and thought it WAS the best live gig of 2012.I didn't do any homework. I went and found the threads I knew would be there because I know how the Adam Lambert fan culture operates. What do radio stations, Open House Party, Nigel Lythgoe and Adam Lambert all have in common? Their business models and livelihoods are heavily dependant on fan engagement. Yet all of them have in one form or another had to tell Lambert's obsessive, organized, coordinated, mass voting fans who feel entitled to manipulate the music industry from their couches to back off. Can you appreciate how extraordinary that is? link link link The content of the fan sites I linked to previously make it abundantly clear nothing has changed. Claiming these triumphs of fraudulent voting acrobatics as anything other than a head shaking side affect of female behaviour meets fandom meets the internet is embarrassing. Stop embarrassing yourself. |
someonewholikesadam 31.12.2012 16:32 |
GF, What is so embarrassing about being passionate for an artist and his talents? I think passion is the best indicator of a fan's love for the artist. If we vote for the "Best Live Gig," it's because we think it's the best live gig. There are plenty of polls that allow you to vote only once. The ones that allow multiple votes are designed that way for a reason. Do you think AL's fans are the only ones who vote multiple times in those polls? Wake up and smell the logic, GF. And if FM were still alive, I bet you'd be sitting at home in your jammies pressing that vote button multiple times for him too. Happy New Year! |
brENsKi 31.12.2012 17:30 |
someonewholikesadam, exactly HOW MANY gigs did you attend this year? because if the answer was TWO or more, then in all honestly Queen+AL could not be the best gig you attended i think there's a new generation of queen fans who'll latch onto any facsimile of Freddie - no matter how pale ...primarily because there is nothing else for them i pity you...and your ilk...you didn't see the real thing, and NOTHING can ever fix that for you...to the point that a serious exaggeration and over-compensation takes hold, until you can no longer see the truth...."he's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!" |
someonewholikesadam 01.01.2013 00:37 |
What??? |
GratefulFan 01.01.2013 13:44 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: GF, What is so embarrassing about being passionate for an artist and his talents? I think passion is the best indicator of a fan's love for the artist. If we vote for the "Best Live Gig," it's because we think it's the best live gig. There are plenty of polls that allow you to vote only once. The ones that allow multiple votes are designed that way for a reason. Do you think AL's fans are the only ones who vote multiple times in those polls? Wake up and smell the logic, GF. And if FM were still alive, I bet you'd be sitting at home in your jammies pressing that vote button multiple times for him too. Happy New Year!So I guess the answer then is 'no'. You can't appreciate how extraordinary, excessive and frankly absurd the organized culture of mass voting is in that fan community. While it genuinely seems like a fun and super supportive network with a lot of joy within, any belief that, like, The Killers have an army of jammie wearing keyboard queens hammering on polls and request lines 24/7 and buying 35 copies of the same thing as per their club manifesto is frankly delusional. It returns you to a "Paul Rodgers is a Freddie Mercury sound alike" level of dilettante naivety, which seems unnecessary. |
john bodega 01.01.2013 13:47 |
I said I preferred Marc Martel on a Youtube video. Some Lambert fan responded and called me a homophobe. *shrug* I guess polite musical discussions just aren't a thing with that sort. Not referring to the threads on QZ, as such - it's just the most recent Lambert anecdote I have to offer. That, and I got a kick out of what he said about Les Miserables, because it's an eerie mirror of how I felt about his Queen guesting. |
GratefulFan 01.01.2013 14:02 |
Zebonka12 wrote: That, and I got a kick out of what he said about Les Miserables, because it's an eerie mirror of how I felt about his Queen guesting.Ha. I had the *exact* same thought. I was trying to find the word. It wasn't quite irony. An 'eerie mirror' works better. |
someonewholikesadam 01.01.2013 15:36 |
Yes, the answer is no. The vast majority of Adam's fans don't vote to the extremes as you seem to indicate. I myself am guilty, if I am bored, of voting a few more times than once in a fan poll. Yes, there are fans, especially on the fan site you visited, that organize voting. But it is NOT to the extent that you think it is. Adam has a LOT of fans and we will vote in the polls. Thus, the reason for his winning a lot of these things. As for the "homophobe" comment, Zebonka, that was made by a zealot no doubt and doesn't represent the conduct of most of Adam's fans. That said, however, that is mild compared to what Queen fans have said about Adam and his fans! |
GratefulFan 01.01.2013 16:06 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Yes, the answer is no. The vast majority of Adam's fans don't vote to the extremes as you seem to indicate. I myself am guilty, if I am bored, of voting a few more times than once in a fan poll. Yes, there are fans, especially on the fan site you visited, that organize voting. But it is NOT to the extent that you think it is. Adam has a LOT of fans and we will vote in the polls. Thus, the reason for his winning a lot of these things.Yes, Virginia, it is to the extent that I think it is. Err, that overwhelming evidence on multiple fronts clearly indicate that it is. Sorry. And that 'fansite I visited' is Lambert's official website! If you want to be proud that a passionate army of fans continues to be committed to promoting Adam in this way after more than three years, be proud of that. If you want to represent any of these number ones as likely to be reflective of some kind of actual measure of real success emerging from a level playing field of normal voting patterns, that's an honesty problem or a reality problem. As an aside for anybody who might be curious, this was the final placement: 1. Queen + Lambert 2. The Killers 3. Muse 4. Animal Collective 5. Foo Fighters |
J.C 02.01.2013 06:18 |
oh them nasty Glamberts and there poll manipulations, would never a Queen fan do the same thing. Search results from 3 of 10 pages on this site, got bored after 3 pages of copy and paste there was 7 more pages. Diff between Glamberts and Queen fans = Nada. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1323168.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1058651.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1280235.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1328235.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1058651.html?page=2 http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1322467.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1235465.html http://www.queenzone.com/news/vote-for-queen-on-www-votenumber1-com.aspx http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1230263.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/682517.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1327824.html http://www.queenzone.com/news/vote-for-queen-in-radio-2-top-2000-dutch-radio.aspx http://www.queenzone.com/news/vote-for-bo-rhap-itv-39-s-the-nation-39-s-favourite-number-one-single.aspx http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/322536.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1273906.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1228759.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/0.html |
john bodega 02.01.2013 06:25 |
"would never a Queen fan do the same thing" More than once, I've hopped onto these polls and cast a random vote for a band that isn't Queen. Mainly because I fuckin' hate poll threads. |
J.C 02.01.2013 06:45 |
Ha ha good one. |
GratefulFan 02.01.2013 07:53 |
J.C wrote: oh them nasty Glamberts and there poll manipulations, would never a Queen fan do the same thing. Search results from 3 of 10 pages on this site, got bored after 3 pages of copy and paste there was 7 more pages. Diff between Glamberts and Queen fans = Nada. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1323168.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1058651.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1280235.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1328235.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1058651.html?page=2 http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1322467.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1235465.html http://www.queenzone.com/news/vote-for-queen-on-www-votenumber1-com.aspx http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1230263.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/682517.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1327824.html http://www.queenzone.com/news/vote-for-queen-in-radio-2-top-2000-dutch-radio.aspx http://www.queenzone.com/news/vote-for-bo-rhap-itv-39-s-the-nation-39-s-favourite-number-one-single.aspx http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/322536.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1273906.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1228759.html http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/0.html |
GratefulFan 02.01.2013 07:57 |
J.C wrote: oh them nasty Glamberts and there poll manipulations, would never a Queen fan do the same thing. Search results from 3 of 10 pages on this site, got bored after 3 pages of copy and paste there was 7 more pages. Diff between Glamberts and Queen fans = Nada.LOL. Clueless. Should have spent less time copying and pasting and more time reading the threads. |
J.C 02.01.2013 10:15 |
GratefulFan wrote: LOL. Clueless. Should have spent less time copying and pasting and more time reading the threads.Page 1 this subject. GratefulFan wrote: True enough! Because then you wouldn't have the obsessed fanbase nuttier than 183 people who split a gut at Greg Brooks' jokes who never even saw the show skipping their grand daughter's dance recital or something to vote 47,000 times. I guarantee you the fan sites are going to be overfloweth with evidence of poll manipulation on this. If I had more time I'd dig up the threads I know are there because they're usually good for a small giggle and a head shake at the eternal strangeness of human nature.Those threads were started by Queen fans no? |
Priyantha 02.01.2013 11:18 |
If it's me I would love to see them do a 2013 tour together ;) Hopefully in Europe, somewhere nearby The Netherlands, if so I am in I think :) |
john bodega 03.01.2013 03:29 |
"Those threads were started by Queen fans no? " There's an appreciable difference between 'here is a poll, vote for our guy!' and 'I am going to go to insane lengths to falsify the outcome of this poll'. Not that either (simplified) statement is wholly indicative of the threads that you and GF are linking to, but I think that's basically what this comes down to. What you've essentially done is look up a bunch of poll threads that bear little relation in nature to the Lambert stuff that GF was talking about. If you wanted to say 'Queen fans are just as bad' you'd be a bit more specific and start trawling for posts that actually say 'hey, let's spam this poll so that Freddie wins'. I'm not even sure if those exist or not, but my point is that you'd be better serving your message if you went to the trouble of pointing them out. I maintain that polls are retarded, of course, and I hate pretty much any thread that brings one up. They're meaningless. Imagine if there'd been a poll the day before Live Aid, and Duran Duran had come ahead of Queen for some reason - maybe because Duran Duran's fans had more motivation or some such. Wouldn't have made a difference on gig day. |
someonewholikesadam 03.01.2013 19:56 |
Despite the fact that my ally J.C. is not a great speller (sorry J.C.), he has produced evidence, if you will, that proves Queen fans are no different than Glamberts who are no different than any other passionate fan base when it comes to voting in these ridiculous polls. Zebonka and G.F., please take it real slow for me. I'm not grasping what you are saying. What J.C. has copied and pasted are polls not by Queenzone but by other media outlets in which Queenzone members voted. Here is a quote from Queenzone about one of the polls. "You can vote in every 30 minutes in 3 different internet explorers,if you are the real fan like me." So get down off your high horse, Grateful Fan. And here's your punishment. Listen and tell me these aren't awesome vocals. Whoops! Gotta run. Just saw a new poll! |
waunakonor 03.01.2013 20:30 |
I tried paying attention to this thread, but I just stopped caring because it kept on going back and forth and going nowhere. That's usually a good sign that it's time to cool it, at least for now. |
john bodega 04.01.2013 10:42 |
"Zebonka and G.F., please take it real slow for me" Hey, you leave me out of this. All I said was that the person who was posting thread links wasn't really being terribly specific, beyond saying that Queen fans vote in polls, and that they would better illustrate their point if they broke it down to actual examples of people padding the votes. You posted a quote, which is nice, but on balance I think you'd have a hard time proving that the vote rigging in the Queen community is as endemic and broadly visible as it is among Lambert fans. I don't say this in a judgemental sense, but he's only where he is today because of those fans that hit 'Vote!' as often as they can afford to, so it isn't really any surprise to me that those fans are still of that mentality. Even though the votes aren't really achieving any purpose. And, I really have to repeat this last point - I don't care about polls. I don't approve of any votes, legitimate or otherwise - I'd be happy if people stopped taking part in polls altogether. |
GratefulFan 04.01.2013 12:04 |
Zebonka12 I don't say this in a judgemental sense, but he's only where he is today because of those fans that hit 'Vote!' as often as they can afford to, so it isn't really any surprise to me that those fans are still of that mentality. Even though the votes aren't really achieving any purpose.I think that's a huge part of the dynamic. It carried over directly from AI, not only in the 'vote!' paradigm, but in the sense of having to right a wrong - in their minds Adam was robbed of the AI win by a staid and homophobic voting public and continues to be hobbled by homophobic and cautious DJs and station managers. And homophobic YouTube commenters like you. What the world needs is Adam forced front and centre over and over again. Then the world will see. That his appeal is actually limited does not seem to occur to anyone. There is a thread on the official website that has never been far off the first page for more than three years. It's mission is stated thus: ? The Starlighters' Mission Statement ? "The Starlighters were formed in 2009 to ensure that Adam's Star will always shine the brightest. Our goal is to help Adam Lambert become one of the most well known stars in the world. We vote for him in polls, stream his music, request his songs on the radio, and comment on various media outlets. We promote his professional endeavors with respect for him as an artist. We will follow his lead, and 'embrace the differences' of others with respect and dignity, and encourage his positive message of Light and Love." There are almost TWENTY ONE THOUSAND contributions to that thread in three years. And that is just one thread. There are others on in the same vein which come and go. You'd be lucky to find a straight 21 posts here advocating spammy voting over a ten year history. The highlighted quote from a Queen fan was from a tepid 5 year old thread, and most poll threads in recent months and years are overwhelmingly ignored or disparaged. The cultures are so vastly different that it is fankly absurd that I need to be arguing this at all. This conversation has run its course for me. It's a great big world and people are free to hold on to whatever thoughts please them, illusions and all. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 04.01.2013 12:56 |
Sorry to say but I attended these gigs and they really rocked. It was hell more of a audience participating as the Queen + pr gigs. Some + - the lightning - the sudience response ( made even bm cry) - the atmosphere - the connection of al with the Queen audience - fire works , dry ice and smokemakers Negative points - those al fans. A fat russian woman got angry at me. After spending hours with her the fat pig got angry at me , without any reason. Perhaps this 6'8 ft man was in front of her in the que? Please notice I did not make any joke of Stalingrad,Communism,Lada's, the a average age of a russian male being 56 when he dies, that they are all drunks, they helped the nazi's during before and after the WWII,in a country of such a vast dimension inbreed still seems to be the standard, i am going to be longer on this earth as moet of the time of this aging dino passed by already for this old odd woman. She got furious at me without any good point. When I asked for a reason she could not give a anwser. This and the other AL fans were very annoying. But Queen rocked ! The rig , the sound, the feedback.... It was great ! So I really hope this queen+al will tour in 2013 |
someonewholikesadam 04.01.2013 15:01 |
Thread closed from my perspective. We agree to disagree. |
Holly2003 04.01.2013 15:31 |
I was going to say something abusive but I'm sure also hilariously funny and very smart about 1. ghosetwithasmile 2. Glamberts but Ulster have just hammered the Scarlets and The Walking Dead's just about to start so I'll let it go this time :) |
waunakonor 04.01.2013 21:45 |
ghostwithasmile wrote: Negative points - those al fans. A fat russian woman got angry at me. After spending hours with her the fat pig got angry at me , without any reason. Perhaps this 6'8 ft man was in front of her in the que? Please notice I did not make any joke of Stalingrad,Communism,Lada's, the a average age of a russian male being 56 when he dies, that they are all drunks, they helped the nazi's during before and after the WWII,in a country of such a vast dimension inbreed still seems to be the standard, i am going to be longer on this earth as moet of the time of this aging dino passed by already for this old odd woman. She got furious at me without any good point. When I asked for a reason she could not give a anwser.Haha, you singlehandedly made the thread slightly more interesting for me. |
someonewholikesadam 05.01.2013 21:32 |
I can't imagine anyone getting angry with such a delightful person as yourself! |