| Queen1973 01.11.2012 03:46 |
Ok a while back there was a post about the demos album that is Not coming out. But going back to these tracks...I think as Queen are coming to there final years now, Id rather here Tracks like Guess were falling out...Finished off rather than Born free etc.... link |
| brENsKi 01.11.2012 12:34 |
agreed, if still not even a remote piss-into-the wind chance i know i've said this before but look at the purple/rainbow reissues? f*cking hell - that's how to treat the fans....burn 25th, machine head 40th, rainbow rising (last year) rainbow donw to earth (last year)....all have great additional tracks that give the fans what they want... and it doesn't stop there....gillan's double trouble, and rainbow's long live rock and roll and on stage are getting similar treatment...have ordered the latter two for monday delivery pity that qpl couldn't give a flying fuck about their fans and do something similar |
| mooghead 01.11.2012 12:40 |
To be fair, and this is coming from someone who has absolutely no interest in Queen post 91, do the bands you mention have going concerns? If they were, in one form or another, still selling out arena's around the world would the massive retrospective re-issues have gone ahead? I have no idea myself but can sort of see why 'Queen' function in the way they do. As someone who has been desperate for anything remotely interesting to be released officially since Made In Heaven I can't quite believe I just said that, but the Queen business model is sort of understandable. |
| brENsKi 01.11.2012 12:49 |
rainbow finished 15 yrs ago, and ritchie b has been doing the whole middle-ages, mystic, folk, renaissance thing ever since these releases have been for fans - which is a nice gesture when you consider that they'll make more money from recycling greatest hits packages....i wonder who we know that does that loads? |
| Ozz 01.11.2012 17:23 |
Well, nice gestures don't exist in Business. The 40 anniversary proper release of demos and book with memorabilia, could be considered one of their biggest nice efforts in the last decade (being the freddie mercury box the previous one). The Deep Purple comparison is not fair really. Their last hits were in the 70's and they have a narrow set of items to choose. Everybody knows that the average rock fan loves machine head and burn. Queen was so prolific in their career that its very tempting to cash out only the greatest hits every Christmas. I prefer they release once for all some of the pending shows : Rainbow 74, Hammersmith 75 The Bob Harris 77 documentary in the works Sometimes is nice to wish a lot of releases but since i dont have planned to "download them" but buy them, i wish they take it slow do i can afford it. |
| brENsKi 01.11.2012 18:01 |
i think you need to look at the content of the albums i refer to as opposed to the original releases to understand what i mean. but i'll give you an example as you quote machine head: 1972 original vinyl lp 1986 converted to cdas per original lp tracklist 1997 25th anniversary 2 disc set - disc one bonus track: when a blind man cries, disc two - bonus disc as per disc 1 (all remastered) plus maybe i'm a leo and lazy (original quad mixes) 2012 - 40th anniversary - disc 1 (quad remix disc), disc 2 (roger glover 1997 remixes), disc 3 (original album) disc 4 (1972 bbc in concert), disc 5 (dvd audio high res surround mix)...there's also a few single versions of tracks released in the usa now that's looking after the fans -giving them something substantially more every time...not a 3 pseudo karaoke tracks, two live album tracks from irrelevant tours, a five year old non album track - all packageed as some cheap bonus mini-lp...shite - that's what queen did with ANATO sad fact is that....every one of the above 2012 release is possible to produce in one nice box set...think about it. they have plenty of tracks t make at least a four disc set...the standard album, a remixed version, the 5:1 version that came out on dvd audio and finally the christmas hammy disc in audio format but they won't will they? because they can squeeze out another greatest bollox comp. |
| LUI RISER 01.11.2012 18:36 |
no |
| Ozz 01.11.2012 18:45 |
brENsKi i understand what you mean, but what i say is that Deep Purple have to go around and do something more substantial because they have a few mainstream albums and a narrow fan base (Im a purple fan too). There's plenty of ANATO's releases to date, and if they do something substantial in there, probably someone else will complain that the album is re-released again. Anato's Audio DVD and the 30 anniversary edition are quite good. I prefer to have unreleased stuff. Damn i would even love to see the re-release of old documentaries in DVD or BR (Magic Years and Champions of the World) A boxset of full Machine Head like CDs of Queen Albums cost money to produce and that would be added to the final product cost and most of us, fans aren't wealthy enough to keep track of those. |
| Mr.QueenFan 01.11.2012 19:58 |
Queen have a great backing catalogue, but they really have missed some good oportunities to release an EXCELLENT product. Of course Queen music will allways sell because it is beautifull and wonderfull. But there's stil some old thinking regarding Queen Productions and their decisions. Of course that the first release of an album, what's going to define if it's an excellent product or not it's its content, the music. But after that first release, for every re-release the definitions changes, and i don't think Queen Productions realize this. They believe that if it has Queen music, then the product is Excellent- wich they are right to a certain extent- but if this re-release is a comemorative edition, then just the songs of the original release are not enough! You have to throw in some goodies for the fans who have supported the band in that period of time. You still please the new fans who don't know anything about Queen, but most importantly - you thank the old fans for the support. The ones that were there! If you want an example on how it's donne, just read what EMI did to Pink Floyd back catalogue with the campaign "Why Pink Floyd...?" link |
| Ozz 01.11.2012 23:39 |
Well i think the 40th a anniversary book was an excellent thing for old fans too. |
| brENsKi 02.11.2012 11:25 |
you're missing the point, mr queenfan sums it perfectly. just rehashing identical pressings is treating your paymasters (the fans) with contempt. purple didn't have to make any special effort. they did it out of one motivation - money but the point is, no one minds shelling out if there's something new and worthwhile included. most established bands have made their reissues/remasters/expandeds/deluxes worthwhile - and they're reaping the benefits all of these bands have released very worthwhile reissues....beatles, ac/dc, elo, ufo, lizzy, springsteen, free, bowie, floyd, rainbow, gillan, who, small faces AND PURPLE a 40th anniversary book does not constitute treating the fans well - especially when the vaults are full of unreleased/unheard stuff purple are not the exception....queen are |
| mooghead 02.11.2012 12:46 |
"but they really have missed some good oportunities to release an EXCELLENT product. " They haven't. The opportunities are still there and always will be. |
| Ron 02.11.2012 17:42 |
brENsKi wrote: i think you need to look at the content of the albums i refer to as opposed to the original releases to understand what i mean. but i'll give you an example as you quote machine head: 1972 original vinyl lp 1986 converted to cdas per original lp tracklist 1997 25th anniversary 2 disc set - disc one bonus track: when a blind man cries, disc two - bonus disc as per disc 1 (all remastered) plus maybe i'm a leo and lazy (original quad mixes) 2012 - 40th anniversary - disc 1 (quad remix disc), disc 2 (roger glover 1997 remixes), disc 3 (original album) disc 4 (1972 bbc in concert), disc 5 (dvd audio high res surround mix)...there's also a few single versions of tracks released in the usaReally, I already own Machine Head on SACD and the 2 disc anniversary set and this new box set does not interest me at all. For me it is just a bundle of previously released products in a nice box. If Queen would release this for ie ANATO like: Disc 1 - remastered cd Disc 2 - 5.1 dvd audio Disc 3 - 2011 bonus ep Disc 4 - concert Then there is really not that much new innit... |
| flash00. 02.11.2012 23:29 |
They have become very lazy in terms of putting any effort in to anything they release, there squeezing as much cash out of fans constantly re-re-re-releasing the same stuff, if other bands can give bonus discs etc what there fans want why does Queen not? in my opinion because they dont give a damn about fans as long as they/we keep buying and buying. They are so out of touch at times it's quite funny watching them in interviews promoting a re-release and sitting there all proud like it's brand new unheard material. All Brian seems to care about is running after that young blonde kerry ellis and spouting on about the world is over populated lol he has to be the biggest hipocrite as an animal welfare activist he only slams non-famous people for hunting animals and turns a blind eye to the Royal family who hunt for fun, Pamela Anderson has bigger balls than Brian when it comes to speaking her mind i.e Lady Ga Ga wearing meat or recently wearing a real fur coat and bragging about it. Rant over lol I dont think Queen will ever give fans something even close to what we would like released it's all about money. |
| dysan 03.11.2012 05:09 |
I'm not sure I'd include Bowie on that list - his reissues have been really lacking, with only about 3 in the last 22 years being must haves even then including dubious new mixes but leaving out obvious unreleased material every half interested fan will have found online. |
| mooghead 03.11.2012 06:17 |
"squeezing as much cash out of fans constantly re-re-re-releasing the same stuff," But fans keep re re re buying it so why shouldn't they? |
| TomP63 03.11.2012 09:35 |
But maybe QPL can make things interessting by releasing the 17 years ago promissed Queen at the BBC/Beeb....back then it was postponed due the fact that 'they' didn't want to flood the market with all the re-re-released items, but in that same period 'they' gave us Rocks and Greatest Hits.yet again. There are more bands who keep on re-releasing their material, Thunder for instance, but they do release everything they've got, the point their making is, although it is a crappy demo, you be the judge. Rory Gallagher's releases are also done with the upmost precision, attracting new fans, but in the same time, never forget the long term fans. Queen however are in the middle, they can't decide if they want to attract new fans, or give the 'old' fans a treat. That's why the re-releases of the last serie is so incomplete, on the whole there are some nice additions on the second disc, but as whole there is such material lacking. No extended versions on Hot Space, and the booklet is below par, no extra information. Putting live versions of albums which are already released is in my believe below par and adds nothing to it's initial release, celebrating 40 years of Queen. A groundbreaking album as ANATO needed a fullyfledged re-release in 2005, that is the opportunity 'they' have missed.......... Tom |
| ITSM 07.11.2012 18:46 |
I used to buy everything with the name Queen on it, but now - the last 2 to 4 years - I feel like it isn't enough, what's being released. Ok, so they added å couple of "new" songs on the 40 years CD's, but we already had most of them, and they are also on Spotify. Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD. I want to write more, but I'm writing on my phone. But I want to add; I used to have less money growing up than now, because I'm working, but I buy less and less... Hope you understand. Of course I have more stuff now than I used to, but still...! I liked the Freddie Mercury - the Great Pretender though... |
| cmsdrums 08.11.2012 03:43 |
ITSM wrote: Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.Whilkst I am very against the usual rehash and continued re-releases of old Queen stuff, I don't think you can compare having the VHS, where the video and audio runs fast, to having the newly released Blu Ray, speed corrected with pristine picture and audio quality. Likewise, the bootleg audience recorded CD compared to the full gig mixed properly on 2CDs. Still, each to their own..... |
| matt z 08.11.2012 19:20 |
dysan wrote: I'm not sure I'd include Bowie on that list - his reissues have been really lacking, with only about 3 in the last 22 years being must haves even then including dubious new mixes but leaving out obvious unreleased material every half interested fan will have found online.Oddly enough, Bowie albums seemed to be rereleased incessantly while i was in high school. The best releases contained SEVERAL additional tracks PER album, but then when his next album came, they were released AGAIN... omitting the extra stuff almost entirely. anybody know what happened? *not that i really care) |
| Ron 10.11.2012 04:03 |
Bowie indeed re-released his albums in 1990/1991 (and 92?) and most albums included one or more bonus tracks, mostly unreleased, although I think that Bowie did not always liked that. Then in 1999 (?) his albums were remastered and released again though this time without bonus tracks. And I think there was another re-issue batch a few years later, also with no bonus tracks. The only interesting releases are maybe his Station To Station box set and the early 90's Ryko re-issues which feat the bonus tracks. |
| dysan 10.11.2012 12:15 |
Exactly right Ron. Hard to believe the Rykodisc versions were 20 years ago. Nothing new to speak of since then, bar 2 archival concerts. The better reissues (the '67 and '69 David Bowie albums were massively expanded included near on 40 tracks 2 years ago. Aladdin Sane and ZS 30th anniversary 2 disc sets in 2002/3 rehashed the Ryko bonus material and some annoyingly unnecessary single edits. Nothing to speak of other than that, but the Station To Station deluxe reissue was amazing, although featuring the same 6 tracks from the album spread over several discs. A treatment I would've loved to have seen for a more interesting album. Deluxe Hunky Dory and Low have been promised for nearly 10 years now, but apparently there are some legal wrangles and Bowie's general apathy. The recent ZS 40th anniversary issue show this to be true with less material than the 30th anniversay disc. Good thread. |
| The Real Wizard 10.11.2012 13:50 |
cmsdrums wrote:You're far too kind.ITSM wrote: Hungarian Rhapsody is a concert released years ago, and many of us already have it on VHS, and me personally, have it on VHS and bootleg versions of both CD and DVD.Whilkst I am very against the usual rehash and continued re-releases of old Queen stuff, I don't think you can compare having the VHS, where the video and audio runs fast, to having the newly released Blu Ray, speed corrected with pristine picture and audio quality. Likewise, the bootleg audience recorded CD compared to the full gig mixed properly on 2CDs. Still, each to their own..... If you're not a fan of the Magic tour or era, that's one thing. But to condemn the Budapest releases for containing nothing new is pure stupidity. |
| The Real Wizard 10.11.2012 13:55 |
Time for some much-needed perspective, methinks. Queen may not be kings of official releases, but they have put out a lot of great stuff over the last decade. Compared to other bands, Queen are flying high. Not highest, but high. Floyd, Bowie, Springsteen - they've all done incredibly well, no doubt. But plenty of artists do little else than rehashing. Just ask Aerosmith fans who have two compilations for every live album - most of which suck. Here's the list of official Queen releases of the past decade (perhaps I'm missing something, but this is off the top of my head). Not counting solo, Q+PR, etc. 2002 - Greatest Video Hits 1 2003 - Greatest Video Hits 2 2003 - Wembley CD/DVD 2004 - Live At The Bowl CD/DVD 2006 - ANATO documentary (isolated Good Company guitars are worth the price of admission alone) 2007 - Rock Montreal/Live Aid CD/DVD 2009 - Absolute Greatest videos 2011 - 40th anniversary memorabilia book 2011 - albums remastered, great bonus tracks 2011 - Days Of Our Lives documentary 2011 - Wembley CD/DVD (latter with complete first night) 2012 - Budapest CD/DVD/blu-ray 70s concerts are on their way in the years to come. The only question is - are they coming too late when a lot of older fans have lost interest? That remains to be told. |
| dysan 10.11.2012 15:03 |
Agreed. For their flaws, the 2011 album reissues could've been a lot worse. |
| Ron 11.11.2012 05:36 |
dysan wrote: Exactly right Ron. Hard to believe the Rykodisc versions were 20 years ago. Nothing new to speak of since then, bar 2 archival concerts. The better reissues (the '67 and '69 David Bowie albums were massively expanded included near on 40 tracks 2 years ago. Aladdin Sane and ZS 30th anniversary 2 disc sets in 2002/3 rehashed the Ryko bonus material and some annoyingly unnecessary single edits. [...]Whoop! How could I forget those 2CD anniversary re-issues? Yes, these are pretty worthwhile in my opinion. The mega box of STS is indeed more or less attractive because of its packaging, not because of its contents unfortunately. Think that the only unreleased track was an edit of the STS song itself plus a concert (which was previously available as a bootleg). |
| dysan 11.11.2012 06:35 |
Yes, I enjoyed the slimmed down 3 cd version of STS more than the bigger box. Unfortunately that Nassau gig was butchered in a similar way to the Santa Monica '72 release in 2008. Oh well, at least we got them :o) |
| Lord Fickle 11.11.2012 07:08 |
brENsKi wrote: agreed, if still not even a remote piss-into-the wind chance i know i've said this before but look at the purple/rainbow reissues? f*cking hell - that's how to treat the fans....burn 25th, machine head 40th, rainbow rising (last year) rainbow donw to earth (last year)....all have great additional tracks that give the fans what they want... and it doesn't stop there....gillan's double trouble, and rainbow's long live rock and roll and on stage are getting similar treatment...have ordered the latter two for monday deliveryAnd what do you think? I'd heard the 'Rough' mixes of LLRnR before, but it's nice to hear them slightly cleaned up. The Shepperton Rehearsal recordings are also interesting to hear, but I think the real jewel in these releases is the On Stage bonus CD, with a great sounding 1976 recording from Osaka. It's good to hear the bits of it that were included on the original On Stage CD, back in their original settings. It's just a shame Stargazer is missing, and they couldn't find a live version of A Light In The Black to include. |
| shamar 11.11.2012 10:56 |
70s concerts are on their way in the years to come. The only question is - are they coming too late when a lot of older fans have lost interest? That remains to be told.Quite half-rhetorical question. QP wasted opportunities to satisfy old fans. Not all of them, ofcourse. There are always die-hard fans buying the same every little shit , just in different cover. What about other? They don't care if QP'll realese something in 5 years or 20. It's definitelly much too late. |
| brENsKi 12.11.2012 16:59 |
Lord Fickle wrote:agreed. i too had the rough mixes of all three albums LLRaR, DTE and Rising, but it's a really nice touch to hear them cleaned up, and rainbow have given their fans some real valuable stuff over the last two years.brENsKi wrote: agreed, if still not even a remote piss-into-the wind chance i know i've said this before but look at the purple/rainbow reissues? f*cking hell - that's how to treat the fans....burn 25th, machine head 40th, rainbow rising (last year) rainbow donw to earth (last year)....all have great additional tracks that give the fans what they want... and it doesn't stop there....gillan's double trouble, and rainbow's long live rock and roll and on stage are getting similar treatment...have ordered the latter two for monday deliveryAnd what do you think? I'd heard the 'Rough' mixes of LLRnR before, but it's nice to hear them slightly cleaned up. The Shepperton Rehearsal recordings are also interesting to hear, but I think the real jewel in these releases is the On Stage bonus CD, with a great sounding 1976 recording from Osaka. It's good to hear the bits of it that were included on the original On Stage CD, back in their original settings. It's just a shame Stargazer is missing, and they couldn't find a live version of A Light In The Black to include. yes stargazer and ALITB - pity. but there are some excellent versions knocking about of both played in succession new york 75 (audience) and miami (76) |
| dysan 17.11.2012 04:28 |
Related question: would you like to hear the working versions of Hot Space which are out there labelled as 'demos'? they are just rougher versions of the finished recordings, but I like the idea of a complete Hot Space at some point. |