Jamie1977 21.09.2012 19:22 |
Just received and watched the documentary.....and it was absolutely fabulous!!! A lot of new footage, and this time for real! They did put their money where there mouth is. It's even on tv in Holland on Saturday night! Cheers |
Dane 22.09.2012 07:46 |
Indeed great stuff! I will be watching tonight! On Nederland 3 at 21.00! cheers! |
zippo112 22.09.2012 10:42 |
any extras?can you tell me what? |
dave76 22.09.2012 11:03 |
zippo112 wrote: any extras?can you tell me what?link |
MrFunster 22.09.2012 16:16 |
It was a great documentary. 5 seconds of the demo of rod stewart en fred mercury 15 seconds of the fm + mj, little disappointing. Lots of fragmets which I have never seen before. It's worth to view and to buy it. |
madmetaltom 23.09.2012 16:02 |
How long is it? |
ParisNair 25.09.2012 15:07 |
Any comments/opinions from the original singer of The Great Pretender? |
e-man 25.09.2012 16:18 |
link this review offers some interesting thoughts. a refreshing read imo. the reviewer is probably not a huge fan, so it's neither "this is the best release ever and freddie rocks", nor is it "could have been good, but where are the extras?" |
Fireplace 26.09.2012 16:50 |
ParisNair wrote: Any comments/opinions from the original singer of The Great Pretender?Nope, most of them (they were a group) are on a cloud comparing notes on the tune with Freddie. |
Holly2003 26.09.2012 17:18 |
e-man wrote: link this review offers some interesting thoughts. a refreshing read imo. the reviewer is probably not a huge fan, so it's neither "this is the best release ever and freddie rocks", nor is it "could have been good, but where are the extras?"That is a really good piece of musical journalism right there, although maybe he overstates the friction between Fred and the rest of the band. Can't wait to see this now. |
The Real Wizard 27.09.2012 20:18 |
Holly2003 wrote: That is a really good piece of musical journalism right thereIndeed. It's definitely one of the best pieces I've ever seen written on Freddie. There is no fandom bias - just an excellent linguist calling it like it is based on what seems to be the most revealing documentary on Freddie to date. |
The Nosuch Disco 28.09.2012 08:58 |
I was going to talk about how I felt a little let down by the Documentary. But I think e-man has referred to a great article that has been echoed by Holly2003 and The Real Wizard. The reason I felt let down was because I had seen a lot of it before (of course there can only be a finite supply of unseen Freddie stuff) but some of the interviews with Brian and Roger were lifted directly from the extras on the Queen Blu Ray... Also I've seen/heard bits and bobs over the years from youtube/other dvd's and the solo box and remembered the clips when they popped up on the documentary. The bits that i'd not heard were very short, specifically Rod Stewart/Michael Jackson bits. But going back to the review, it is indeed a revealing documentary, but perhaps only if you're not a super fan. It is put together very well and is a far more enjoyable watch than say, The Untold Story or any of the DoRo Documentaries. |
The Real Wizard 28.09.2012 10:08 |
But surely we can't expect a documentary containing entirely new footage, can we? 99% of the people watching it won't know the difference between which footage has been seen before and what has been recently unearthed. The only footage that would have the man on the street gasping for air is say, Mercury recording the vocal in the rock section of Bohemian Rhapsody. Interesting as new bits may be for us, it's just archival footage to pretty much everyone else. Perspective is key. |
The Nosuch Disco 28.09.2012 16:14 |
too true, Wizard! Love your site by the way :) Dave. |
rocknrolllover 01.10.2012 14:21 |
did anybody record airing of documentary on TV? |
pittrek 02.10.2012 13:00 |
I don't remember when I was the last time bored watching a Queen-related documentary. The only interesting bits were from the "Made In Heaven" interview. The rest ? I got the feeling that I'm reading wikipedia, and not WATCHING a documentary. The strangest thing is that despite its name it's not a documentary about "The Great Pretender" nor about Freddie Mercury. It's a "making of Mr. Bad Guy and Barcelona" type of documentary. After watching the documentary I have the feeling that Freddie was in some band, I think it was called Queen or something, then he suddenly realized he's gay and started to fuck guys, made a crap album which he knew was crap, fell in love with Montserrat Caballe and wanted to do an album with her, he hated Queen members and especially Brian, made the Barcelona album and then he probably died or something. I don't know why, but I start to have "negative thoughts" about Paul "everybody is my best friend" Gambaccini and Jim "I can do anything with Freddie's music" Beach. The biggest part of this documentary is about the Barcelona album, why wasn't this documentary released as a bonus disc on the "deluxe" release of Barcelona ? If this documentary was done for the fans, why did they left out all interesting, or used just a few seconds of it ? (Like the audience footage from Queen from 1979, the David Wigg interview, the 1976 interviews, the Rod Stewart/MJ demos ...) If this documentary was made for the "average Joe", why didn't they at least mention WHO Freddie was or at least the fact that he died because of AIDS ? After watching the "Days of our lives" documentary I downloaded it as DVD (from BBC broadcast) and watched it again. Then I downloaded a HD capture of the BBC broadcast and watched it again. And later again and again and again. And then I bought the BluRay and watched it again, again and again and .... After downloading the leaked copy of The Great Pretender I watched it once and deleted it. I didn't like it but I thought it's because I got it as crappy low-res flv files and that I'm definitely going to like it on BD. Now I bought the BD. It took me 3 days (!) to watch it till the end and I really don't believe I will watch it again. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am seriously disappointed with this release |
bootLuca 02.10.2012 16:19 |
pittrek wrote: I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am seriously disappointed with this releaseI totally agree with you Peter, this is a movie that the only goal is to promote the new Barcelona album. Another thing, where is the promised full Royal Ballet? |
Adam Baboolal 02.10.2012 16:58 |
Interesting that someone mentions that it's like a barcelona docu. Interesting, because, didn't Rhys say it started out as just that, but, was expanded into a Freddie docu? Anyway, little hesitant on buying it now. Hmm... Adam. |
tomchristie22 02.10.2012 20:29 |
It definitely is focused primarily on his two solo albums. I suppose it's good in the sense that earlier things have usually skimmed over that. His solo works don't really interest me, what I've heard of Mr. Bad Guy I didn't like, and the opera thing seems a little inaccessible, even though it's probably not. It'd be interesting to see what a solo product from the 70's would've sounded like, before his musical interests went downhill. |
Ozz 02.10.2012 21:50 |
Oh the fans... > The rest ? I got the feeling that I'm reading wikipedia, and not WATCHING a documentary. You are asking a hight grade history documentary, when as hardly as it is for us to understand, fans, that Queen is just a pop/rock band and don't have a beatlesque recognition yet in the popular culture. However theres many new bits in this documentary that hardly could be called "Boring". > It's a "making of Mr. Bad Guy and Barcelona" type of documentary. what's the problem with that ? really..? Do you really wanted another "untold story" with long boring segments about Freddie's childhood, the same myths retold again and a revisionist approach to the mary austin affair, to make freddie more straight than gay ? Sometimes it seems that fans want to see only what they believe was Queen and Freddie. >"After watching the documentary I have the feeling that Freddie was in some band, I think it was called Queen or something, then he suddenly realized he's gay and started to fuck guys, made a crap album which he knew was crap, fell in love with Montserrat Caballe and wanted to do an album with her, he hated Queen members and especially Brian, made the Barcelona album and then he probably died or something." Well, most of that is true. > Jim "I can do anything with Freddie's music" Beach. Whether you like it or not, Freddie gave him the control. >The biggest part of this documentary is about the Barcelona album, why wasn't this documentary released as a bonus disc on the "deluxe" release of Barcelona ? That whole part was indeed released in the "deluxe" release of Barcelona >If this documentary was done for the fans, why did they left out all interesting, or used just a few seconds of it ? (Like the audience footage from Queen from 1979, the David Wigg interview, the 1976 interviews, the Rod Stewart/MJ demos ...) From a director's perspective, why release unedited complete footage in the first place ? you are telling a history, so you edit the footage to make a whole new creation. I Have the impression that The Rod Stewart demo is a poor snippet anyway so they did a quick mix to put it in the documentary. I doubt there's a whole thing waiting to see the light. The MJ demos are being worked with the MJ estate, so why this release should spoil the proper release of the songs? I think some fans would be happy only if they manage to travel in time to re-live all those years and they will never be happy with any Queen release. There's been a decade of crappy Queen related releases, and finally we are getting something fresh, without the whole brian approach of we will rock you musical/badger/stereo/orbs/all song are in my credit thing, and we complain... People! |
qz08927 05.10.2012 00:01 |
"I think some fans would be happy only if they manage to travel in time to re-live all those years." That is exactly why i am serious about the biopic being upto standard. |
Missreclusive 08.10.2012 22:30 |
I bought it, I enjoyed it. |
Vali 09.10.2012 03:39 |
bootLuca wrote:Finally watched it yesterday after receiving my BR copy from Amazon and must say I agree with you guys. As much as I enjoyed Days Of Our Lives, this time ... well, it was nice seeing rare stuff and so on, but ... I don't know how to express it. Overall, the docu left me cold. Don't think I'll be watching it again soon, as I did with Days Of Our Lives. Hey, the only bit that made me rewind and watch it over and over again was the One Vision video outtake, that made me laugh a lot, really ! As for the rest ... to be honest, nothing that exciting.pittrek wrote: I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am seriously disappointed with this releaseI totally agree with you Peter, this is a movie that the only goal is to promote the new Barcelona album. Another thing, where is the promised full Royal Ballet? |
Adam Baboolal 09.10.2012 05:51 |
Read an interview with Rhys last night that said the cut down docu is on this coming week and the UNCUT version will be shown around Xmas time on BBC4. Might be worth knowing for those of us unsure about buying. Adam. |
plumrach 09.10.2012 05:56 |
Just posted the new screening date in the other forum link Is the dvd and the tv program kinda the same thing???? not got the dvd yet |
rhapsody8 09.10.2012 08:04 |
plumrach wrote: Just posted the new screening date in the other forum link Is the dvd and the tv program kinda the same thing???? not got the dvd yetNext tuesday broadcast will be one hour cut version. X-max one is going to be full (as DVD film) I think.... |
Bo Alex 11.10.2012 22:29 |
I couldn't see it yet. Argentinian TV didn't broadcast it (of course), I didn't see it in any store neither. Also, I can't find a link or a torrent to download it or watch it online. |
Q NUT 12.10.2012 17:51 |
Bo Alex wrote: I couldn't see it yet. Argentinian TV didn't broadcast it (of course), I didn't see it in any store neither. Also, I can't find a link or a torrent to download it or watch it online.A certain Russian torrent site has it. I'm not sure if it's against the rules to post the link. |
tomchristie22 12.10.2012 20:24 |
I'd imagine it is, considering it's an official release which is readily available from legitimate sources. |
davidt548 15.10.2012 07:19 |
I can't buy it, because is not available in spain. Why???. And of course, i can't see it on BBC1 next tuesday... |
DLCVinnuendo 15.10.2012 12:32 |
here in brazil, the documentary is not available too... |
brunogorski 15.10.2012 20:32 |
DLC, I've downloaded from Eagle Rock's website and watched without subtitles... I guess we'll stay without the documentary here in Brazil. Unfortunately. |
winterspelt 16.10.2012 19:55 |
I had to go to that torrent site with a pirate ship and download it in 1080p. It looked so promising that I almost preordered it online... Until the memories of Champions of the World, Lover of Life, and all endless official documentaries came to my mind... And Im glad I didnt bought it. About 10 mins (or less) of new footage mixed in the same stuff we already have on previous releases... |
plumrach 17.10.2012 04:22 |
I have not got the dvd yet but after watching the tv programme last night i will be purchasing it, its surprising that when you think you have already seen loads of queen/freddie interviews and stuff that more unseen stuff comes up, was fascinating to watch |
Aleks 18.10.2012 13:18 |
Please tell me, this film has English subtitles? subtitles - it is a good help to those not English as a native language. |
Double-U 19.10.2012 03:20 |
Hey there, it was broadcasted on BBCone 3 days ago and I liked it very much. It was nice to see some making of of the I Want To Break Free video. The Royal Ballet appearance was there in much better quality and longer then ever and we saw Mercury singing "My Melancholy Blues" in the studio, that was fantastic. It was great to hear Montsy's point of view, too and that Jacko brought a Lama into the studio that made Freddie quit working on with him. This is the most funny content beside the One Vision outtakes. Btw. when there's so much material (outtakes and making of) of the Flix why not bringing it to DVD for box compilation? kind regards W. |
bootLuca 19.10.2012 06:29 |
Aleks wrote: Please tell me, this film has English subtitles? subtitles - it is a good help to those not English as a native language.yes, this film has english, german, french and spanish subtitles |
Vali 19.10.2012 14:05 |
davidt548 wrote: I can't buy it, because is not available in spain. Why???. And of course, i can't see it on BBC1 next tuesday...Hi David, no, it is not available in the usual spanish stores, wich is really incredible. I ordered it at Amazon.es and suggest you do the same. In a few days you'll have it delivered at a reasonable price. |
Adam Baboolal 20.10.2012 08:58 |
I got to watch the whole thing this week and thoroughly enjoyed it. I definitely saw more of "Freddie" than I've ever really seen before. And while I've probably seen a lot of the footage, clips, etc. This docu puts it all together in such a way, as to tell a proper story of his latter life. It's certainly nice to see something that is tonally different from all the previous releases. It felt like a real look at Freddie, beyond the usual, "he was a great performer and had a quiet life off stage", etc. etc. And while I don't feel it truly showed the man 100% (what docu can?), I do think it showed a lot more than we've seen or understood properly, before. Adam. |
Aleks 20.10.2012 09:39 |
Thanks for the information. |
LUI RISER 25.10.2012 14:11 |
pittrek wrote: I don't remember when I was the last time bored watching a Queen-related documentary. The only interesting bits were from the "Made In Heaven" interview. The rest ? I got the feeling that I'm reading wikipedia, and not WATCHING a documentary. The strangest thing is that despite its name it's not a documentary about "The Great Pretender" nor about Freddie Mercury. It's a "making of Mr. Bad Guy and Barcelona" type of documentary. After watching the documentary I have the feeling that Freddie was in some band, I think it was called Queen or something, then he suddenly realized he's gay and started to fuck guys, made a crap album which he knew was crap, fell in love with Montserrat Caballe and wanted to do an album with her, he hated Queen members and especially Brian, made the Barcelona album and then he probably died or something. I don't know why, but I start to have "negative thoughts" about Paul "everybody is my best friend" Gambaccini and Jim "I can do anything with Freddie's music" Beach. The biggest part of this documentary is about the Barcelona album, why wasn't this documentary released as a bonus disc on the "deluxe" release of Barcelona ? If this documentary was done for the fans, why did they left out all interesting, or used just a few seconds of it ? (Like the audience footage from Queen from 1979, the David Wigg interview, the 1976 interviews, the Rod Stewart/MJ demos ...) If this documentary was made for the "average Joe", why didn't they at least mention WHO Freddie was or at least the fact that he died because of AIDS ? After watching the "Days of our lives" documentary I downloaded it as DVD (from BBC broadcast) and watched it again. Then I downloaded a HD capture of the BBC broadcast and watched it again. And later again and again and again. And then I bought the BluRay and watched it again, again and again and .... After downloading the leaked copy of The Great Pretender I watched it once and deleted it. I didn't like it but I thought it's because I got it as crappy low-res flv files and that I'm definitely going to like it on BD. Now I bought the BD. It took me 3 days (!) to watch it till the end and I really don't believe I will watch it again. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am seriously disappointed with this releaseAs anyone can see, i am very aware of Freddie and his magic brilliance. It is to my utter astonishment therefore, that anyone and I mean "anyone" COULD ACTUALLY drain him of all LIFE with All HIS powerful MAGIC and actually make him appear mediocre, Boring ! and produce such a DOWNER OF A DOCUMENTARY. The highlights were the very little scenes where you actually heard him sing, the rest was youtube clips and the same tired old eugenics lie of HIV =AIDS The documentary was the first assualt on his Magic The biopic will be the MAJOR ASSUALT The rag tag brigade in who's hands his legacy now lies have not an inkling on how to truly reflect his glory. DOWN WITH THEM! Freddie would never work with such , he required excellence and got it while he had a voice. True in his day there was lots of mediocre talent around, yet he was above with the rare few of talented people, who were the creme of the music industry and actual artists, now he is left with the dregs of British talent who see but cannot understand ? I'm not sorry to be so negative it is deserved and drastically needed Oh and one more thing, if i can bare to repeat the most shocking INSULT i could HAVE EVER imagined!! A.I.D.S WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR FREDDIE'S TALENTS~!!!!!! MR BEACH talentless, thoughtless, editors! Freddie would have sacked them to save Mr Beach the embarrasment |
Holly2003 25.10.2012 14:18 |
LUI RISER wrote:pittrek wrote: I don't remember when I was the last time bored watching a Queen-related documentary. The only interesting bits were from the "Made In Heaven" interview. The rest ? I got the feeling that I'm reading wikipedia, and not WATCHING a documentary. The strangest thing is that despite its name it's not a documentary about "The Great Pretender" nor about Freddie Mercury. It's a "making of Mr. Bad Guy and Barcelona" type of documentary. After watching the documentary I have the feeling that Freddie was in some band, I think it was called Queen or something, then he suddenly realized he's gay and started to fuck guys, made a crap album which he knew was crap, fell in love with Montserrat Caballe and wanted to do an album with her, he hated Queen members and especially Brian, made the Barcelona album and then he probably died or something. I don't know why, but I start to have "negative thoughts" about Paul "everybody is my best friend" Gambaccini and Jim "I can do anything with Freddie's music" Beach. The biggest part of this documentary is about the Barcelona album, why wasn't this documentary released as a bonus disc on the "deluxe" release of Barcelona ? If this documentary was done for the fans, why did they left out all interesting, or used just a few seconds of it ? (Like the audience footage from Queen from 1979, the David Wigg interview, the 1976 interviews, the Rod Stewart/MJ demos ...) If this documentary was made for the "average Joe", why didn't they at least mention WHO Freddie was or at least the fact that he died because of AIDS ? After watching the "Days of our lives" documentary I downloaded it as DVD (from BBC broadcast) and watched it again. Then I downloaded a HD capture of the BBC broadcast and watched it again. And later again and again and again. And then I bought the BluRay and watched it again, again and again and .... After downloading the leaked copy of The Great Pretender I watched it once and deleted it. I didn't like it but I thought it's because I got it as crappy low-res flv files and that I'm definitely going to like it on BD. Now I bought the BD. It took me 3 days (!) to watch it till the end and I really don't believe I will watch it again. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am seriously disappointed with this releaseAs anyone can see, i am very aware of Freddie and his magic brilliance. It is to my utter astonishment therefore, that anyone and I mean "anyone" COULD ACTUALLY drain him of all LIFE with All HIS powerful MAGIC and actually make him appear mediocre, Boring ! and produce such a DOWNER OF A DOCUMENTARY. The highlights were the very little scenes where you actually heard him sing, the rest was youtube clips and the same tired old eugenics lie of HIV =AIDS The documentary was the first assualt on his Magic The biopic will be the MAJOR ASSUALT Crazytown closes at 9pm tonight. You better get home before they close the gates. |
LUI RISER 25.10.2012 15:14 |
Holly2003 wrote:You only need watch the ducumentary to see how appalling it is, if you consider the results of such an opinion to be insanity, i suggest you re-examine your comprehension of the word, and correct your ignorant thoughts, and so justify your retorts with a thinking brain, instead of one that is showing itself to be wholly dumb.LUI RISER wrote:Crazytown closes at 9pm tonight. You better get home before they close the gates.pittrek wrote: I don't remember when I was the last time bored watching a Queen-related documentary. The only interesting bits were from the "Made In Heaven" interview. The rest ? I got the feeling that I'm reading wikipedia, and not WATCHING a documentary. The strangest thing is that despite its name it's not a documentary about "The Great Pretender" nor about Freddie Mercury. It's a "making of Mr. Bad Guy and Barcelona" type of documentary. After watching the documentary I have the feeling that Freddie was in some band, I think it was called Queen or something, then he suddenly realized he's gay and started to fuck guys, made a crap album which he knew was crap, fell in love with Montserrat Caballe and wanted to do an album with her, he hated Queen members and especially Brian, made the Barcelona album and then he probably died or something. I don't know why, but I start to have "negative thoughts" about Paul "everybody is my best friend" Gambaccini and Jim "I can do anything with Freddie's music" Beach. The biggest part of this documentary is about the Barcelona album, why wasn't this documentary released as a bonus disc on the "deluxe" release of Barcelona ? If this documentary was done for the fans, why did they left out all interesting, or used just a few seconds of it ? (Like the audience footage from Queen from 1979, the David Wigg interview, the 1976 interviews, the Rod Stewart/MJ demos ...) If this documentary was made for the "average Joe", why didn't they at least mention WHO Freddie was or at least the fact that he died because of AIDS ? After watching the "Days of our lives" documentary I downloaded it as DVD (from BBC broadcast) and watched it again. Then I downloaded a HD capture of the BBC broadcast and watched it again. And later again and again and again. And then I bought the BluRay and watched it again, again and again and .... After downloading the leaked copy of The Great Pretender I watched it once and deleted it. I didn't like it but I thought it's because I got it as crappy low-res flv files and that I'm definitely going to like it on BD. Now I bought the BD. It took me 3 days (!) to watch it till the end and I really don't believe I will watch it again. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am seriously disappointed with this releaseAs anyone can see, i am very aware of Freddie and his magic brilliance. It is to my utter astonishment therefore, that anyone and I mean "anyone" COULD ACTUALLY drain him of all LIFE with All HIS powerful MAGIC and actually make him appear mediocre, Boring ! and produce such a DOWNER OF A DOCUMENTARY. The highlights were the very little scenes where you actually heard him sing, the rest was youtube clips and the same tired old eugenics lie of HIV =AIDS The documentary was the first assualt on his Magic The biopic will be the MAJOR ASSUALT sweet dreams. |
Holly2003 25.10.2012 15:27 |
I've seen the documentary. I haven't see the ducumentary though. I hear it's a bit quackers? |
GratefulFan 25.10.2012 15:38 |
I wonder if you get a bigger bill for ducumentaries. |
LUI RISER 25.10.2012 19:15 |
Further thoughts that now ring clear as a bell. Was the very title a comment? The Great Pretender What? He pretends to be Great? or he was nothing without Queen? so we reflect how boring we pecieve him to be as a solo artist and revel in our various comment TALKING heads affirming how crap it all was! And by making damn sure the documentary was as despressing as his solo album sales were.? oh and while i dont forget because everyone else has We say he didnt even arrange his own solo work properly by orchestrating it for him because that ofcourse is what he wanted, forget the fact that he orchestrated mr bad guy on that damn solo album that great pretender made. THEN WE GIVE CREDIT TO THE THING THAT KILLED HIM AS THOUGH IT IS SOME KIND OF BLOW OR LSD THAT HELPED HIM GET CREATIVE AGAIN.! (funny enough that's how its caused AIDS, by drugs & aids drugs especially ) well, me personally , i did not think he was crap as a solo artist because i appreciated his musical mind, knowing HE made Queen and without him It IS DEAD! |
tomchristie22 26.10.2012 00:44 |
Go away |
john bodega 26.10.2012 13:03 |
Just watched the Blu-Ray. I could've sworn Mary Austin was on the TV broadcast version, but she wasn't in this one. Is that bizarre? Am I having a stroke or something? |
GratefulFan 26.10.2012 13:05 |
Probably not. You usually tell us when you are. |
AlexRocks 26.10.2012 20:24 |
That's funny. Lol. Are you having a stroke or something? Lol. :) |
tomchristie22 26.10.2012 21:42 |
I have no recollection of Mary Austin being included either. I haven't seen the broadcast version though |
john bodega 27.10.2012 04:07 |
Yeah I figured as much - so why the hell am I remembering a Mary Austin interview? Did something else come out in the past year that I've forgotten? |
guild93 27.10.2012 19:33 |
Does anyone know the date / venue of the audience footage from 1979? |
The Real Wizard 10.11.2012 23:52 |
Apparently it's Alexandra Palace 12-22-79. |