kruh 19.09.2012 07:00 |
Hungarian Rhapsody release! Is not this enough? How long are we going to tolerate? Why is it always the same thing from the eighties, the same songs all seen a hundred times already? Why not issue something from the seventies such as Live at the Hyde Park 76 or Boston 76 or something like. I can not believe the same thing again. The next year, probably Live Queen + Adam Lambert. Greetings! |
pittrek 19.09.2012 10:07 |
We are getting the FULL audio release too, that's a new one |
kruh 19.09.2012 10:18 |
Ha, ha but where are the stuff from the seventies? |
Micrówave 19.09.2012 10:25 |
You Tube |
kruh 19.09.2012 11:40 |
On youtoubu can also be found Hungarian Rhapsody. |
thomasquinn 32989 19.09.2012 12:33 |
So don't buy it. I know I won't. |
kruh 19.09.2012 12:36 |
That's right, you're exactly right. But still the question remains why there is no stuff from the seventies. Definitely would not buy it. |
Gaabiizz 19.09.2012 14:07 |
Not is the complete concert in dvd , another disappointment |
Battler 19.09.2012 14:19 |
Gaabiizz wrote: Not is the complete concert in dvd , another disappointmentMaybe because they don't have the complete footage? Blame Mafilm (the Hungarian state film company for that). They're releasing this concert as completely as they can which with the material they have, is the cut video on DVD and Blu-ray + the full audio on 2 CD's. As for the '70's stuff, I thought they announced Live at the Rainbow coming next year? Or was I hallucinating? Plus I'm sure they're planning to release Hammersmith '75 too, they have it remastered already, so it's very possible. |
Gaabiizz 19.09.2012 14:55 |
Battler wrote:No, in some years, Budapest again be released in fullGaabiizz wrote: Not is the complete concert in dvd , another disappointmentMaybe because they don't have the complete footage? Blame Mafilm (the Hungarian state film company for that). They're releasing this concert as completely as they can which with the material they have, is the cut video on DVD and Blu-ray + the full audio on 2 CD's. As for the '70's stuff, I thought they announced Live at the Rainbow coming next year? Or was I hallucinating? Plus I'm sure they're planning to release Hammersmith '75 too, they have it remastered already, so it's very possible. |
MERQRY 19.09.2012 17:30 |
Gaabiizz wrote:What part of "Masterplan DELETED the remain footage" didn't you understand? sorry gabi but if they haven't the complete gig they can't release full...Battler wrote:No, in some years, Budapest again be released in fullGaabiizz wrote: Not is the complete concert in dvd , another disappointmentMaybe because they don't have the complete footage? Blame Mafilm (the Hungarian state film company for that). They're releasing this concert as completely as they can which with the material they have, is the cut video on DVD and Blu-ray + the full audio on 2 CD's. As for the '70's stuff, I thought they announced Live at the Rainbow coming next year? Or was I hallucinating? Plus I'm sure they're planning to release Hammersmith '75 too, they have it remastered already, so it's very possible. Te lo traduzco por las dudas: ellos NO tienen el concierto completo porque el director original borró varias partes hace muchos años cuando lo lanzaron en vhs; así que por más que ellos quieras no van a poder lanzarlo completo nunca. |
The Real Wizard 19.09.2012 17:34 |
He can't speak English. Stop trying. For anyone who can read and comprehend English: The Hungarian government filmed the show, and discarded all the footage that didn't make it past the cutting room floor for the 1987 VHS release. So it has been gone for decades. |
Jimmy Dean 19.09.2012 22:05 |
That's all fine and dandy... but, guys, guys... where is the stuff from the 70s??? Why isn't anyone acknowledging the pink elephant in the virtual forum? Come on people! (lol) |
Missreclusive 19.09.2012 22:08 |
I hope for Hammersmith 75. |
Bo Alex 19.09.2012 23:33 |
First of all, sorry for my poor English. Why did Queen have to collaborate with film crews, directors or TV stations that always lose or throw away the filmed material? 1) BBC turned off the cameras during the last songs in Hammy 75. 2) The Argentinian TV station that filmed a gig in Buenos Aires lost the mastertapes. All we got is that old edition with those terrible channel logo and titles. Why the fuck you don't keep the tapes of an historic event??? (First big rock band playing in a stadium in Argentina, probably in the peak of their popularity). 3) The people who film and edited the concert in Montreal discarded all the filmed material (of both nights) that they didn't use for the original edition. 4)Budapest: I always thought that they would have the complete filmed material, the complete tapes from the 18 different cameras or so. There's for sure more examples that I forgot. Queen Productions usually stumbles twice on the same stone. |
Bo Alex 19.09.2012 23:39 |
The Real Wizard wrote: He can't speak English. Stop trying.Also, you can't speak Spanish apparently. MERQRY translated for him the little bit that he couldn't understand. (I've got no intention of arguing. Just saying.) Cheers!! |
kruh 20.09.2012 00:12 |
Rainbow and Hammersmith, this has long been talk but nothing. Why not Hyde Park 76, or something else with a better setlist. Perhaps the reason lies in the fact that the record company afraid of doing something like this,as songs from the first three albums are not as well known to a wide audience. But things from the seventies are definitely primal and it is sad that we do not have something from that period. Thank God for some bootlegs like Boston 76 or Houston 77. |
MERQRY 20.09.2012 00:44 |
kruh wrote: Rainbow and Hammersmith, this has long been talk but nothing. Why not Hyde Park 76, or something else with a better setlist. Perhaps the reason lies in the fact that the record company afraid of doing something like this,as songs from the first three albums are not as well known to a wide audience. But things from the seventies are definitely primal and it is sad that we do not have something from that period. Thank God for some bootlegs like Boston 76 or Houston 77.Yeah, but a gig like Hamm 79 has a "good" (i mean it has "knowed" tracks like Save me, Dont stop me now,we will rock you,we are the champions,boh rap,etc) set list... plus it has a decent video/audio quality and it was an excelent performance... maybe Paul Mc Cartney has the rights of that gig?? |
kruh 20.09.2012 01:12 |
I did not thought of the songs,songs on Hamm or Rainbow are good but the setllist is to short. The Hyde Park 76 has an excellent setlist. It would be good to have a concert from years 75 and 76 with commplete tracklist. |
pittrek 20.09.2012 01:16 |
Come on people. Directors ALWAYS film MUCH MUCH more material than they need for the final cut of the movie. Always. After they finish the shoot, all the filmed footage is edited down to a "final cut" of the movie. And what's done with the huge amount of material which was not used for the final cut ? It's DELETED / THROWN AWAY / DESTROYED. That's NORMAL. All the directors do that. There is usually NO reason for keeping the footage which was NOT used for the final cut. If "we" (the fans of the movie)are lucky, then somebody (from the film crew, from the studio, a friend of the director, sometimes even the director) "saves" a bit of the footage before it gets destroyed by either stealing it or transferring it to e.g. VHS (in these days we're talking about digital copies of course). That's why a lot of DVD/BluRay releases feature SOME deleted scenes (usually in MUCH worse quality). The missing songs from Budapest were treated as deleted footage. They were cut and kept for a while, then they were destroyed - it takes a LOT of space to store film, and it's not very economical to take care about "garbage". So unless somebody owns a let's call it "private copy" of the unused footage (usually because s/he stole it or illegally transferred it), we will NEVER get the complete footage. Live with it. If you prefer quantity over quality, a complete video exists, in really bad quality and with all 16 cameras on 1 screen, but it's complete. |
Queen1973 20.09.2012 02:36 |
im going tonight but wont we able to sing as having a Queen logo tatto on my neck today xx |
Queenman!! 20.09.2012 02:41 |
Battler wrote:Blame Mafilm???? Why? .. QP is responsible for not buying a copy of the original video masters in time. They were complete in the archive till 1996.Gaabiizz wrote: Not is the complete concert in dvd , another disappointmentMaybe because they don't have the complete footage? Blame Mafilm (the Hungarian state film company for that). They're releasing this concert as completely as they can which with the material they have, is the cut video on DVD and Blu-ray + the full audio on 2 CD's. As for the '70's stuff, I thought they announced Live at the Rainbow coming next year? Or was I hallucinating? Plus I'm sure they're planning to release Hammersmith '75 too, they have it remastered already, so it's very possible. |
Queenman!! 20.09.2012 02:52 |
pittrek wrote: Come on people. Directors ALWAYS film MUCH MUCH more material than they need for the final cut of the movie. Always. After they finish the shoot, all the filmed footage is edited down to a "final cut" of the movie. And what's done with the huge amount of material which was not used for the final cut ? It's DELETED / THROWN AWAY / DESTROYED. That's NORMAL. All the directors do that. There is usually NO reason for keeping the footage which was NOT used for the final cut. If "we" (the fans of the movie)are lucky, then somebody (from the film crew, from the studio, a friend of the director, sometimes even the director) "saves" a bit of the footage before it gets destroyed by either stealing it or transferring it to e.g. VHS (in these days we're talking about digital copies of course). That's why a lot of DVD/BluRay releases feature SOME deleted scenes (usually in MUCH worse quality). The missing songs from Budapest were treated as deleted footage. They were cut and kept for a while, then they were destroyed - it takes a LOT of space to store film, and it's not very economical to take care about "garbage". So unless somebody owns a let's call it "private copy" of the unused footage (usually because s/he stole it or illegally transferred it), we will NEVER get the complete footage. Live with it. If you prefer quantity over quality, a complete video exists, in really bad quality and with all 16 cameras on 1 screen, but it's complete.================= Ýou have some really good points pittrek. Fair to say your quite right . But hearing the director of the Wembley show Gavin.... saying Freddie wanted to recorded everything. Why save every bitof footage with everything on less camera's on video quality at Wembley and destroy 35 mm film from Budapest. That doesn't make sense to me. Both shows were edited for a VHS release at the time. I assume that a complete edited show was prepared when QP decided which songs to cut for the VHS release. So a full edited Budapest show must be around at the time....? |
kruh 20.09.2012 03:12 |
All well and good, but we are slightly deviated from the subject. Can someone tell me why there is not any concert from the seventies (official release). |
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Senna 20.09.2012 07:40 |
Because the 80s concerts contain more recognised Queen songs and the 70s concerts contain songs that are a bit, date I say it, dated. There I've said it. |
tcc 20.09.2012 08:35 |
queenman!! 12321 wrote:Battler wrote:Blame Mafilm???? Why? .. QP is responsible for not buying a copy of the original video masters in time. They were complete in the archive till 1996.Gaabiizz wrote: Not is the complete concert in dvd ,another disappointmentMaybe because they don't have the complete footage? Blame Mafilm (theHungarian state film company for that). They're releasing this concert as completely as they can which with the material they have, is the cut video on DVD and Blu-ray + the full audio on 2 CD's. As for the '70's stuff, I thought they announced Live at the Rainbow coming next year? Or was I hallucinating? Plus I'm sure they're planning to release Hammersmith '75 too, they have it remastered already, so it's very possible. I think the band members were mourning for a few years after Freddie died in November 1991, so no one would think of buying the film then. |
Queenman!! 20.09.2012 08:52 |
QP is not Brian, Roger and John alone?! They were even mourning after the MADE IN HEAVEN album.... come on... |
The Real Wizard 20.09.2012 14:22 |
Bo Alex wrote:I don't recall that being there at the time. I think the post may have edited later :-)The Real Wizard wrote: He can't speak English. Stop trying.Also, you can't speak Spanish apparently. MERQRY translated for him the little bit that he couldn't understand. (I've got no intention of arguing. Just saying.) Cheers!! |
Michael 20.09.2012 20:26 |
Here's what I think is going to happen: Queen Prodctions will continue to re-release the same material for years to come in different formats, much like The Beatles are doing with Yellow Submarine and A Hard Day's Night. The reason is to maximize the amount of money they can get for this material. Then, if they are still alive, Queen may release the older material - provided it can earn them more money than yet additional releases of the same material. It's all about the money with these guys. |
kruh 21.09.2012 03:36 |
I think that the older material will be issued but only when someone from the group died. Death and grief are monea makers. Unfortunately this is a fact! |
Toozeup 21.09.2012 14:55 |
I think this post from the Queen online forum clears up what happened to the camera rushes. Re: Queen In Budapest 1986 Blu-ray for October? Postby InnuendoSilly » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:58 am To make everyone again completely updated and clear on Budapest (and i have to repeat this every 3 years as people dont remember and make up stories: In 2004 I was asked by QPL to make enquiries about the location and existence of both the final and the not used negatives (had written authorization by QPL.. signed by the big boss in Montreux). Went back to a certain archivist in 2005, with news about the existing negative of the FINAL version - > I was told "yes thank you great". Asked GB many times, he never could tell me how far the negotiations went. The final negative film is in the possession of the Hungarian State Film Archives (they were also offering state of the art HD transfer (4K / DaVinci etc), but I was never informed about the negotioations which either happened or not until today. THe Hungarian State owns the film negative, but QPL owns the rights to release it so neither of them can do anything without agreeing with each other. (my guess is that by 2012 they have already agreed and QPL might have now a HD transfer , ready for blu ray release). as for ALL the unused footage (that means 16 kilometers of film or something similar, i was told), now that is a sad story. I did speak with 2 of the editors, they confirmed they had actually kept ALL the reels in their office until 1996 just in case sometime somebody picks it up (and no one came from QPL obviosuly) . In 1997 part of the major state studio complex was sold to a local commercial TV station, the editors were fired and they have now clue what happened with the reels, possibly trashed. Or they are still gathering dust somewhere on that location , or someone brought them home. Many times in the last 8 years I sent letters to GB/QPL asking him to condider offering a reward for the reels and advertise locally, possibly among the people working there at that time(1990s) etc etc.... but QPL always refused to even think about this idea for a second. Their attitude is like "find and bring us the reels for free, or we are not interested. (And if you do, we say a huge thank you - maybe in email For this message InnuendoSilly has received thanks from : ZepHead |
Queenman!! 23.09.2012 02:17 |
Toozeup wrote: I think this post from the Queen online forum clears up what happened to the camera rushes. Re: Queen In Budapest 1986 Blu-ray for October? Postby InnuendoSilly » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:58 am To make everyone again completely updated and clear on Budapest (and i have to repeat this every 3 years as people dont remember and make up stories: In 2004 I was asked by QPL to make enquiries about the location and existence of both the final and the not used negatives (had written authorization by QPL.. signed by the big boss in Montreux). Went back to a certain archivist in 2005, with news about the existing negative of the FINAL version - > I was told "yes thank you great". Asked GB many times, he never could tell me how far the negotiations went. The final negative film is in the possession of the Hungarian State Film Archives (they were also offering state of the art HD transfer (4K / DaVinci etc), but I was never informed about the negotioations which either happened or not until today. THe Hungarian State owns the film negative, but QPL owns the rights to release it so neither of them can do anything without agreeing with each other. (my guess is that by 2012 they have already agreed and QPL might have now a HD transfer , ready for blu ray release). as for ALL the unused footage (that means 16 kilometers of film or something similar, i was told), now that is a sad story. I did speak with 2 of the editors, they confirmed they had actually kept ALL the reels in their office until 1996 just in case sometime somebody picks it up (and no one came from QPL obviosuly) . In 1997 part of the major state studio complex was sold to a local commercial TV station, the editors were fired and they have now clue what happened with the reels, possibly trashed. Or they are still gathering dust somewhere on that location , or someone brought them home. Many times in the last 8 years I sent letters to GB/QPL asking him to condider offering a reward for the reels and advertise locally, possibly among the people working there at that time(1990s) etc etc.... but QPL always refused to even think about this idea for a second. Their attitude is like "find and bring us the reels for free, or we are not interested. (And if you do, we say a huge thank you - maybe in email For this message InnuendoSilly has received thanks from : ZepHead========================================== AMEN!! What an unprofessional organisation back then.. |
tero! 48531 23.09.2012 04:38 |
queenman!! 12321 wrote: ========================================== AMEN!! What an unprofessional organisation back then.."Back then"? You are talking about Queen Productions, aren't you? It's not like they're the pinnacle of professionalism these days either. :/ |
tomchristie22 23.09.2012 07:48 |
Senna wrote: Because the 80s concerts contain more recognised Queen songs and the 70s concerts contain songs that are a bit, date I say it, dated. There I've said it.I disagree, I think the 80's songs sound very much like songs from the 80's (the more synth-based tracks from The Works and Magic in particular), whilst a lot of their 70's work manages to transcend that. Rather than being a product of its time, it's timeless. The 80's shows however, at least those they've put out, do generally include more songs that are in public consciousness. Michael wrote: ...much like The Beatles are doing with Yellow Submarine and A Hard Day's Night. The reason is to maximize the amount of money they can get for this material.I don't really agree with that as an example. It's somewhat more reasonable that The Beatles are reissuing their films, as the majority of them aren't available in half decent quality otherwise. |
mooghead 23.09.2012 08:32 |
"Can someone tell me why there is not any concert from the seventies (official release)." Because one has not been officially released yet. That's all there is to it. |
pittrek 24.09.2012 12:53 |
Senna wrote: Because the 80s concerts contain more recognised Queen songs and the 70s concerts contain songs that are a bit, date I say it, dated. There I've said it.I'm sorry, but that's absolutely WRONG. The 80's songs are dated now and their 70's stuff is considered to be timeless classic. |
kruh 25.09.2012 01:14 |
Exactly pittrek! |
The Real Wizard 25.09.2012 14:34 |
Senna wrote: Because the 80s concerts contain more recognised Queen songs and the 70s concerts contain songs that are a bit, date I say it, dated.Queen's critically acclaimed albums were released between 1974-77. They're anything but dated. The 80s stuff made a lot of money, so there will be no shortage of that. But it looks like the classic years are finally going to get the attention they deserve. |
ParisNair 25.09.2012 15:15 |
But it looks like the classic years are finally going to get the attention they deserve.How do you mean? |
The Real Wizard 25.09.2012 22:45 |
ParisNair wrote:They're working on the Rainbow 74 shows next, and Rhys Thomas said a 1977 package may be in the works.But it looks like the classic years are finally going to get the attention they deserve.How do you mean? |
kruh 26.09.2012 04:14 |
If this is true it is excellent. Now a funny question. What was the correct setlist on Rainbow. From what I have seen so far is somewhat short: Procession Now I'm Here Ogre Battle White Queen (As It Began) In the Lap of the Gods Killer Queen The March of the Black Queen Bring Back That Lero Brown Son and Daughter Guitar Solo Father to Son Keep Yourself Alive Liar Son and Daughter (Reprise) Stone Cold Crazy In the Lap of the Gods ... Revisited Encore: Jailhouse Rock (Elvis Presley cover) God Save the Queen Were there played some other songs. And which! Thanks! |
The Real Wizard 26.09.2012 09:46 |
That's the incomplete video track listing with the fake medley (Son And Daughter, FtS, KYA, Liar, SaD reprise). Here's the full setlist of the Rainbow shows: Procession, Now I'm Here, Ogre Battle, Father To Son, White Queen, Flick Of The Wrist, In The Lap Of The Gods, Killer Queen, The March Of The Black Queen, Bring Back That Leroy Brown, Son And Daughter, Keep Yourself Alive, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Stone Cold Crazy, Liar, In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited, Big Spender, Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll, Jailhouse Rock, God Save The Queen |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 26.09.2012 12:07 |
Always a mystery to me why they cut iut ssor it was a Minor hit in the uk. And one of their first successes... Nice to see ut complete. But will it it be both shows ? Would be nice a 2 dvd set with 4 cd well maybe it fits on a single cd... |
Kevinrm15 26.09.2012 12:27 |
Don't forget Hammersmith 75 DVD/CD, it WILL be released! But not this year. |
MERQRY 26.09.2012 13:03 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Don't forget Hammersmith 75 DVD/CD, it WILL be released! But not this year.It's a good gig, but personally i'd prefer Rainbow 74... Hamm 75 has been seen many times (except if they do the imposible and release the video of the full gig). But Rainbow still has some hidden gems like Flick Of the Wrist, Modern times Rock And Roll, Keep Yourself Alive (complete),Seven Seas Of Rhye and the complete medley in the end... |
The Real Wizard 26.09.2012 13:19 |
^ agreed. |
tero! 48531 26.09.2012 13:42 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Don't forget Hammersmith 75 DVD/CD, it WILL be released! But not this year.When was it they restored the material, three years ago? I suppose that means the release is happening any day now... It's not just sitting on the shelf, is it? |
Kevinrm15 26.09.2012 13:46 |
Yes, the work on Hammersmith is all done. |
tomchristie22 27.09.2012 01:22 |
The very idea of a complete Rainbow release thrills me... Awesome. Hopefully it's their first priority at the moment. |
MackMantilla 28.09.2012 09:05 |
I think Rainbow will be release next year |
kruh 01.10.2012 06:38 |
I very much doubt that we will see the outcome of the concerts such as Rainbow 74 or Hammersmith 75. Especially because I think it will be another year released live album Queen + Adam Lambert. If anything, I personally would prefer to see Hyde Park 76 or Earles Court 77, or Houston 77, of course, Rainbow 74 would not be bad. Hammersmith, in my opinion is already too well known, here in Slovenia was even aired on public television. I believe, however, that nothing of the old stuff will be official published. The second year there will be probably a tour with Lambart and that's it! Greetings. |
cmi 01.10.2012 11:45 |
kruh Thanks to you for such fresh thoughts and ideas about future releases... |
AlexRocks 02.10.2012 10:14 |
I just think that a new show should be done to be paired with most of each of the 1970's concerts. That would be so amazing! |
kruh 02.10.2012 11:14 |
I know what you mean and I can agree with that. But it would be nice if the label company would issued an live album from the early period of the group. In the whole catalog of the group that it's missing - blood shortage!!! |
pittrek 02.10.2012 13:04 |
I still hope for live DVDs as bonus discs to the re-re-re-re-re-re-releases of the original live albums |
YAFF 03.10.2012 00:22 |
MackMantilla wrote: I think Rainbow will be release next yearProbably a sure thing but they will do some kind of deluxe "Live Killers" package at some point I would think. I'll be happy with anything as long as they pick up the pace on releases. I'm also delighted about Budapest. Already pre-ordered for myself and a friend in Canada. |
Heavenite 03.10.2012 06:58 |
pittrek wrote: I still hope for live DVDs as bonus discs to the re-re-re-re-re-re-releases of the original live albums. Yes, but I think it was better to release them after the studio albums so that people can get the bunch of those together as well. |