QueenZone discussion #1326172

99jaystang wrote: gotta love a grumpy Brian

Russian Headlong wrote: making typical tree hugging veggy comments. he's seems to be ok about cows being slaughtered but not cuddly badgers ffs! love the guys music (bar some of the recent disasters such as lambert) but i don't like his tree hugging politics.

The Real Wizard wrote: Brian is advocating that we treat all creatures as equally as we possibly can. It isn't rocket science.

waunakonor wrote: I'm the same way with spiders, GratefulFan (though not you, Holly.)

Micrówave wrote: At least he recycles... as evidenced by some of his more recent guitar solos.

GratefulFan wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: Brian is advocating that we treat all creatures as equally as we possibly can. It isn't rocket science.

Unless those creatures are human and in disagreement

Missreclusive wrote: GF, Austin TX has a bridge that people stand under to watch the millions and millions of bats fly out at dusk. I did it once and it was enough.

AdamMethos wrote: I actually belong to a few bat conservation organizations, but I promise not to go all Brian on you guys haha.

brENsKi wrote: well, i totally hate the idea of mankind (as in sort, not nice) killing anything in the name of science, preservation etc etc....that was until i heard HIS whiny comments...now i just think, kille em all, badgers, foxes, newts, stoats, pandas, the whole damned lot.... which i hate feeling, but it's because some self-righteous ex rockstar decided to tell me what was right/wrong..he makes me sick for fuck's sake, he's a scientist, supposed to be clever, but back in 81 when freddie was shagging anything that stayed motionless long enough was BM saying "eh fred, slip one on mate, it might save your life" - no

GratefulFan wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: Brian is advocating that we treat all creatures as equally as we possibly can. It isn't rocket science.

Unless those creatures are human and in disagreement. And then we're to be as abusive as is necessary. Nobody does our beloved Brian (and I mean that completely) any favours by advocating his particular style of advocacy. He's a scientist and as such has a scientific reputation at risk because he conducts himself like a slavering partisan cherry picking already spun data while presenting it as the objective scientific truth. Listening to his reasoning on this topic has many times left me scratching my head completely that this is a man who had sufficient command of scientific principles to ever earn a doctorate in astrophysics. He's human being and as such has a personal reputation at risk, also because he conducts himself like a slavering partisan who is utterly contemptuous of anybody who doesn't agree with him and the rest of the "right thinking" gang. He's been subtly and not so subtly denigrated in the media over and over again because of this objectionable behaviour. He couldn't even keep his Save Me Facebook page together a couple of years ago because it was a complete cesspit of abuse as modeled right from the top. His campaign has been rewarding at times but it also causes him continual stress, loneliness and disillusion if we're to believe his own words, which I do. That is at least in part because he conducts himself like the worst of the animal rights people, which is to say like a BULLY and a NUTCASE half the time, and too few people look and listen hard enough to notice. Fewer than that say it out loud. Badgers and people are not "equal". That concept is absurd. If you could ask a badger the same thing, he'd tell you that too. He's mostly concerned with the welfare of other badgers, as he should be. We as people have moral systems and consciences and cognitive abilities that give us responsibilities not to abuse our power but many animal rights activists would have us held to a standard where we, animals ourselves, don't get to participate in the same natural world all the other creatures do. Animals eat other animals, move other animals out of their way with extreme prejudice, and kill things, including humans, just in case. Animals have enormous legal protections from powerful and plundering humans, as they should, but quite a few humans need protection from deranged animal rights activists who are wild misathropists driven by truck sized egos projected all over chickens or whatever. Look, I don't even kill spiders. I ignore them or escort them out of my house. I am guilt ridden and anguished, no word of a lie, when I have to kill mice in my house and that is after trying just about every other method to reliably catch them alive or control them without having to be responsible for ending their lives. Squirrels torment me in the summer and I let them. Sometimes I even buy them peanuts! I could easily fall in love with some badger. But I recognize all this as a human vulnerability, an indulgence, even an emotional error in some ways, that allows me to avoid decisions and feelings I would find difficult. Caring deeply about other creatures is both a strength and a weakness, and as such I know that I have to get me and my emotional response the hell out of the way of people who have by knowledge, necessity or temperament a different perspective. I would be EMBARRASSED to be abusing hunters, farmers, conservationists, cows, naturalists, whatever the way Brian May does because of my own personal and eminently fallible feelings. But then, I don't have a truck sized ego that I project all over chickens and badgers.

YourValentine wrote: I agree with you, Holly, in thinking that our attitude versus animals is changing. It is well possible that future generations will all be vegetarians which would be good anyway for the nutrition of the world population and the climate change.