| Kacio 30.08.2012 09:47 |
CLTCL movie version which is in the Hungarian Rhapsody link |
| Bad Seed 30.08.2012 10:01 |
Beat me to it! Looks and sounds lovely, just wish they'd push Brian's guitar level up a little. |
| mooghead 30.08.2012 10:57 |
meh |
| jondickens1 30.08.2012 10:59 |
Sounds lovely,but,alas,this is still edited.Is the rest of the concert edited too,meaning only the tracks initially released on Live in Budapest video back in 1987? |
| DLCVinnuendo 30.08.2012 12:42 |
brilhant!!! |
| popy 30.08.2012 13:11 |
to little to much "boooom", a little to much bass. |
| The Real Wizard 30.08.2012 13:27 |
This is a great comparison between old and new.. link It's cropped, but the quality itself is undoubtedly better. And ... we now have confirmation that there will be no new concert footage. That's beyond disappointing. |
| Micrówave 30.08.2012 14:05 |
Does this mean we get a remastered "Creepy Conversation with Emma"? |
| 99jaystang 30.08.2012 16:43 |
video not working here, Eagle Rock blocked it in canada. Did it work for you Bob? |
| 99jaystang 30.08.2012 16:46 |
Oh god no E-M-M-A smelly socks |
| cmsdrums 30.08.2012 17:13 |
Good to hear it at the proper speed |
| Missreclusive 30.08.2012 18:35 |
Blocked in the USA too. |
| winterspelt 30.08.2012 19:31 |
Blocked in Mexico too, lol Did any of you tried using a proxy like link and insert the link... Youtube may show a captcha... That's what I did and worked fine! |
| fr1986 30.08.2012 21:05 |
fuck! it looks orgasmic. Such i pity they did not include unseen footage. guess we'ill have to wait for the home release for extra footage. If in the worst of the cases they do not release the full concert when they release the b.d version, at least we will have the complete audio. Since they always release dvd/cd |
| The Real Wizard 30.08.2012 23:51 |
99jaystang wrote: video not working here, Eagle Rock blocked it in canada. Did it work for you Bob?Nope, doesn't work here. |
| tomchristie22 31.08.2012 00:45 |
The mix is fine imo, but it is a shame that CLTCL and TYMD will still be cut. |
| cmsdrums 31.08.2012 02:52 |
The visuals will be exactly the same as the VHS as they don't have the cut footage. Hopefully though we will get the full gig on cd as with Bowl and Montreal |
| drjones 31.08.2012 05:07 |
ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls..this is a band...this is QUEEN !!!!!!!! |
| pittrek 31.08.2012 05:59 |
The Real Wizard wrote: This is a great comparison between old and new.. link It's cropped, but the quality itself is undoubtedly better. And ... we now have confirmation that there will be no new concert footage. That's beyond disappointing. Thanks for the comparison. I will repeat my "moan" again - you can clearly see here what I meant with f***ed up colours (just look at Freddie's skin at e.g. 0:26) and washed-out look. The cropping IS different, but please note, that there while they cropped a lot from the top and the bottom, they also added a lot of information to the sides. It's because the film was shot at 1.85:1 aspect ratio, and to get it to a home video format you have to either crop the sides to get a 1.33:1 AR (4:3), or to crop the top and bottom (while keeping the sides intact) to a 1.77:1 AR. I like it |
| brians wig 31.08.2012 07:14 |
Utter Rubbish Pitters. They could quite easily have added some black bars and kept the full picture. They do it with both movie and 4:3 sourced TV shows all the time... |
| pittrek 31.08.2012 07:22 |
Hm... where is the rest of my post ? Anyway ... yes, you're correct, what I was trying to say is " It's because the film was shot at 1.85:1 aspect ratio, and to get it to a home video format you have to either crop the sides to get a 1.33:1 AR (4:3), or to crop the top and bottom (while keeping the sides intact) to a 1.77:1 AR. I like it in 16:9, and I'm glad they didn't letterbox/sidebox it. This isn't a Hollywood movie, it's just a concert recording and I prefer to have the full TV screen filled with relevant picture" |
| mooghead 31.08.2012 08:51 |
Like Brian said.. damned if they do, damned if they don't..... |
| Yamaguchi 31.08.2012 09:12 |
#3:34-3:35 Compared with VHS, guitar sound is shortened...? |
| Raffy 31.08.2012 11:50 |
Anyone knows if this concert will be projected in 3d at the cinema? Thanks ;) |
| Gaabiizz 31.08.2012 13:39 |
The release will be complete on dvd or bluray |
| eYe 31.08.2012 14:14 |
For all who can't see the youtube video: link (1080p downloaded with keepvid.com) |
| Carlos Rivera 31.08.2012 17:01 |
What do you think, more graphic! |
| Mr.QueenFan 31.08.2012 17:44 |
This video looks amazing. I hope that in the cinema will even look better. |
| AdamMethos 31.08.2012 18:38 |
Weird. In some of the shots, Freddie's white outfit is tinted yellow in the new version and remains white in the old one. And in others, it's white in the new one and tinted yellow in the old. Overall, I like the new one better. The colors are more vibrant and strange color tints seem to be there to give it more filmic look instead of the washed-out video-ish look of the old version. Although the new one is cropped, I don't see (in the clips posted anyway) any vital things being cropped out -- nothing like, e.g. bad pan-and-scan movie where in a scene with two people, the second person is cropped out of the picture. |
| popy 31.08.2012 20:23 |
hummm this cropped discussion is a interesting thing. I think we all have seen making-ofs of dozens of movies. Sometimes we see someone (normally the director) watching what's being filmed on a small screen.Many times i've seen a full frame picture in 4:3 format on that screen that the director is looking, but with on-screen markers with the intended picture format for the theatrical/home-video release. One example: i have Jurassic Park III DVD in widesreen. One day the film was on tv in 4:3, so i started comparing them. To my surprise, the tv version was the full frame that showed more image on top and bottom, and the sides were the same. So i saw more information (image) on the tv version, than on the official DVD release in widescreen format. Many Back To The Future fans remember the fiasco in 2002 when the movies appeared on DVD for the first time. The film was shot in 4:3, but for theatrical/home-video release it was widescreen. But when it was time to release the DVD, Universal framed Part II and Part III (pretty) badly. See this page http://www.angelfire.com/film/bttf2/ in the question "But shouldn't I be seeing MORE in the widescreen version? Normally, yes. However BTTF is not like most movies in that it was filmed in a soft matte format where the full frame is "matted" (covered,horizontal 'black bars' on the top and bottom) to achieve a 1.85 widescreen aspect ratio. The photography of the shots was composed for a cinematic widescreen ratio (OAR), even though the print might actually contain 4:3 information. And i think this is what's happening here. Live In Budapest VHS was full frame but now it's widescreen, the way it's meant to be seen. For exemple, comparing We Will Rock You (DTS/THX version) and Rock Montreal, Rock Montreal has a slightly different framing. Just pray they don't f*ck up the framing. |
| pittrek 01.09.2012 02:15 |
AdamMethos wrote: Weird. In some of the shots, Freddie's white outfit is tinted yellow in the new version and remains white in the old one. And in others, it's white in the new one and tinted yellow in the old. Overall, I like the new one better. The colors are more vibrant and strange color tints seem to be there to give it more filmic look instead of the washed-out video-ish look of the old version. Although the new one is cropped, I don't see (in the clips posted anyway) any vital things being cropped out -- nothing like, e.g. bad pan-and-scan movie where in a scene with two people, the second person is cropped out of the picture.Interesting, i am quite surprised that somebody LIKES the colours. I have a feeling that this release will look as bad as QRM. At least my eyes are pretty sensitive to colour anomalies. Anyway, we can be glad that they release it in a modern video format, a few people have VCR's these days |
| inu-liger 01.09.2012 02:27 |
Thanks for the Mediafire link, eYe! You're awesome |
| qz08927 01.09.2012 22:22 |
Dont you think Freddie and everyone looked squashed and smaller than they should have done, as though they are shrunken people of small stature? I hope Sacha will get on with that medical leg adjustment that Roger was on about last autumn, and quickly. Time is ticking by and it will take months for him to recover, to even be able walk properly , never mind learn Freddie's stage moves. |
| AdamMethos 01.09.2012 23:28 |
pittrek wrote: Interesting, i am quite surprised that somebody LIKES the colours. I have a feeling that this release will look as bad as QRM. At least my eyes are pretty sensitive to colour anomalies. Anyway, we can be glad that they release it in a modern video format, a few people have VCR's these daysI guess I'm just looking at it from a "cinematic" point of view. In films, the objective isn't necessarily to reproduce colors as accurately as possible but to use cinematography to convey mood, a style, and so on. So adding a yellow-ish tint that makes white look like off-white isn't inherently wrong to me. Maybe they just want to add warmth to the scene for whatever reason. To use a simplistic example, Somebody To Love might benefit from a warm treatment whereas Stone Cold Crazy would benefit from a cold treatment. |
| CESAR BELTRAN M 03.09.2012 09:30 |
Interesting what Carlos Rivera says and shows with his pictures. The sad true is that Queen Productions (Brian involved of course) has learned very good the bad arts from Saul Swimmer. Saul filmed Montreal 81 in 1:85:1 film format, and the first 3 editions of We will rock you video (Montreal 81) were in 4:3 format but not from the 1:85:1, but from a little part from it and with a crap of picture quality. Later was released in widescreen format (the last swimmer release) with nice picture quality but cropping part of the bottom and top from the 4:3 edition and adding a little part on the sides. Finally when Saul died, Brian bought the masters films, and released a more complete (but even cutted) 16:9 edition from the 1:85:1 film. And with a terrible digital cleaned image and with a very ugly colors (I never got notice till Rock Montreal that Roger Brian John and Freddie skins were yellow ) They were from China?, or maybe that day the 4 member got hepatitis? maybe next release will be 1:85:1 with properly color but ever with something missing for a next re re re re re re re re release. Now, is the same story with Budapest video. Maybe in 4 following release we can get a real 16:9 version from the 1:85:1 film and with yellow skins, but not for now. For now we will get a widescreen edition from the 4:3 version, cropping the bottom and top and adding a little pieces on the sides. And the Queens with RED skins colors. what a crap! Finally I think I'll never will sell my Budapest 86 Laserdisc. |
| Yamaguchi 03.09.2012 10:51 |
Not 4:3 but 3:2 I guess... |
| 99jaystang 03.09.2012 22:39 |
comparing to other speed corrected versions One thing I don't like is they killed the snappy snare drum sound from the original and dropped the levels and added some pro tools magic on it. I have listened to a few audience recordings made in '86 and live magic they had a snappy snare sound. This sounds very similar with wembley friday show mix (made in 2011). Same techniques? |
| qz08927 03.09.2012 23:43 |
Carlos Rivera wrote: What do you think, more graphic!looks like YOU need to adjust YOUR equipment |
| pittrek 04.09.2012 00:31 |
qz08927 wrote:looks like YOU need to adjust YOUR equipment ! :-)Carlos Rivera wrote: What do you think, more graphic!looks like YOU need to adjust YOUR equipment |
| . 05.09.2012 09:25 |
I too will be hanging on to my laserdisc rip, but think a blu-ray release of this new transfer will blow it away. On that basis I will certainly buy it if and when it's released. |
| popy 05.09.2012 10:52 |
hasn't anyone read what i wrote? Do i have to repeat myself? Hundreds of (mostly old) movies are shot on 4:3 (or other square) format but when it's time to edit the movie to it's theatrical/home release the director makes it 16:9 or whatever format he wants. I gave Back To TheFuture as an example, but there are hundreds more. This WAS shot in 4:3, but with 16:9 format in mind! If you look to the 16 cam bootleg version you'll see that it's in 16:9 format http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJXX3LBXO_M although there's some bad framing here, 16:9 it's the way it's meant to bee seen. Don't forget that when the VHS was released, there was NO widescreen tv's. But now with widescreen tv's all over the place, it's time to release it as the way it should be seen, in 16:9. This was NOT filmed in widescreen, cropped to 4:3 and them cropped to widesreen again. |
| pittrek 05.09.2012 11:29 |
A very small correction - it was not shot in 4:3. It was shot with the 1.85 aspect ration in mind which is wider than standard 16:9. So basically they cropped the sides for the VHS/LD release, and now they went back to the negatives and cropped a little bit from the top and bottom And I'm not quite sure that there were NO widescreen TVs in the late 80's. They were not available in shops but I remember visiting with my class a local factory in the late 80's and I could swear they had widescreen TVs/monitors ... But it was almost 3 decades ago so I can't bet on it, maybe just my memory is playing tricks with me... Is here somebody with better memory ? |
| Istvan 06.09.2012 05:46 |
The original film was filmed by open matte (also known soft matte) technique. See this: link. Full 4:3 frame is on the filmnegative in the Hungarian Filmarchive...There was no cropped the sides for the vhs release. |
| pittrek 06.09.2012 06:00 |
Istvan wrote: The original film was filmed by open matte (also known soft matte) technique. See this: link. Full 4:3 frame is on the filmnegative in the Hungarian Filmarchive...There was no cropped the sides for the vhs release.Do you KNOW this or do you THINK it ? Or in other words do you work for the archive ? :-) If you KNOW it was shot like this thanks for the info |
| Istvan 06.09.2012 06:20 |
I know it...but I don't work for the archive. |
| rhapsody8 06.09.2012 06:48 |
Istvan wrote: Full 4:3 frame is on the filmnegative in the Hungarian Filmarchive...There was no cropped the sides for the vhs release.So, can we still hope for full Budapest DVD or Blu Ray release???? |
| Istvan 06.09.2012 07:49 |
Full frame, not full film :-( |
| . 08.09.2012 06:14 |
I've mentioned this before but it may still be of interest. I discovered a while back when watching some wide screen blu-ray discs that my TV was actually cropping the image. I changed my TV setting from 16:9 to 'full screen' and was pleased to see the complete image on the screen. I always now watch my wide screen discs and Freeview HDTV in 'full screen' mode as a result. This will only work if your DVD / Blu-ray player or HDTV receiver is connected to your TV via HDMI (or component) and ALSO that your TV allows you to select the 'Full screen' option. Take a look at how much more of the Montreal concert you can actually see. The aspect ratio remains correct on widescreen discs. Enjoy. |