| qz08927 11.08.2012 09:17 |
The most controversial album in Queen's recording History, "Hot Space" was a real departure for Queen. A disco funk rock fusion, mixed with a latin ballad, Hot Space, i have come to my musical conclusion, is one Queen's best ever albums, if only for it's total uniqueness. Hot Space never ever bore, is never repetitive, and truly was and is groundbreaking. So on balance, far from it being Queen's weakest moment, it exemplifies Queen's greatest secret ingredient , that being musical diversity and inventiveness that prodcuced so many musical suprises in every style of music they took on board amidst their short lived recording career. |
| tcc 11.08.2012 09:22 |
I like the radio advertisement for the Hot Space concert in Montreal which had been included in the Montreal bootleg - "Get your Hot Space now". |
| qz08927 11.08.2012 09:40 |
tcc wrote: I like the radio advertisement for the Hot Space concert in Montreal which had been included in the Montreal bootleg - "Get your Hot Space now".is that available here and now in this forum? is it just like the montreal show dvd, or do they play more hot space album tracks? |
| tcc 11.08.2012 09:57 |
qz08927 wrote:tcc wrote: I like the radio advertisement for the Hot Space concert in Montreal which had been included in the Montreal bootleg - "Get your Hot Space now".is that available here and now in this forum? is it just like the montreal show dvd, or do they play more hot space album tracks? See: link |
| The Real Wizard 11.08.2012 11:37 |
qz08927 wrote: is it just like the montreal show dvd, or do they play more hot space album tracks?Indeed, there are 5 more tracks from Hot Space, as well as Rock It and Fat Bottomed Girls. The rest is the same. In early 82 they played Liar, but it was quickly dropped. I still can't believe they didn't play it in North America when they had it in the bag. I just want to go into a time machine and smack them, as just about everyone wanted to hear the early stuff. |
| qz08927 11.08.2012 12:50 |
THANKYOU |
| mooghead 11.08.2012 13:37 |
Its like asking if Yellow Submarine is the Beatles best song because it is such a departure from all the good things that they did... |
| Wiley 11.08.2012 14:42 |
Well, it's one of my favorite Queen albums for its sheer uniqueness among their catalog, for Freddie's vocal performance and, well, it's a real fun album. I enjoy it greatly. I believe it's still listed as my favorite Queen album in my Queenzone profile. They went for it, took a great risk with it. It was the last time they did it. Don't give me that "they were trying to replicate Another one bites the dust's success" crap or say it was Freddie and John taking over the other two's rockier side. Hot Space is way more than that. If anything, it was Rog who introduced synths, funk and new wave to the band: Fight from the Inside -> Fun it -> Coming soon. |
| mooghead 11.08.2012 14:54 |
"They went for it, took a great risk with it. " And failed with it.... |
| master marathon runner 11.08.2012 15:35 |
Hot Space is like the finest of wines, better with age. |
| brENsKi 11.08.2012 15:53 |
master marathon runner wrote: Hot Space is like the finest of wines, better with age.not really. it started out as vinegar, and matured into toilet cleaner |
| mooghead 11.08.2012 15:57 |
It should have been called 'Gay Sex' |
| Russian Headlong 11.08.2012 17:30 |
its a crock of shite apart from potf, up and lpda. |
| DLCVinnuendo 11.08.2012 18:03 |
it's a good album, but compaire with the 70's, it's very weak |
| david (galashiels) 11.08.2012 18:39 |
NEWS OF THE WORLD. |
| dysan 12.08.2012 01:33 |
I can see the reason behind this thread but don't agree. It is one of my favorites as it is such a strange record from the cover down. I do like it very much, but maybe because I'm still trying to 'get it'. Another Queen album that might have been better if the track order was better? Hearing that beautiful Life Is Real from the tour this year made me dig out the album again. It reminds me of being little. I like. |
| Sebastian 12.08.2012 06:28 |
A lot of their albums were original and risky. It was very risky to release Bo Rhap in an era of Bay City Rollers and The Osmonds; it was very risky to release We Will Rock You, a song which is possibly the antithesis of the usual Queen style of those days; it was very risky to issue A Night at the Opera, with things like Prophet's Song and Death on Two Legs; it was very risky to release a song like Innuendo in 1991 (when a lot of people used to listen to either Elton John or Nirvana or GnR or Michael Jackson). Hot Space was a mediocre album. Not because of the style, not because of the alleged sexual nature, but because songwriting and performance were way below what they could and regularly did deliver. Programming a shitty drum machine when you have such a fantastic drummer is an awful decision, as is using a synth-bass when you have John Deacon. By the way: 'A disco funk rock fusion, mixed with a latin ballad'? Latin ballad? Really? Where? Staying Power --> Neither Latin nor ballad. Dancer --> Neither Latin nor ballad. Back Chat --> Neither Latin nor ballad. Body Language --> Neither Latin nor ballad. Action This Day --> Neither Latin nor ballad. Put Out the Fire --> Neither Latin nor ballad. Life Is Real --> Ballad, not Latin. Calling All Girls --> Ballad (sort of), not Latin. Las Palabras de Amor --> Ballad, not Latin. Cool Cat --> Neither Latin nor ballad. Under Pressure --> Neither Latin nor ballad. If LPDA is 'Latin Ballad' just for the five Spanish words it uses, then I guess Dancer counts as Schuhplattler because it's got seven German words; Bo Rhap and Ogre Battle, by their side, have a gong so that automatically transforms them into Philippine Kolitang music; Silver Salmon has timbales, that makes it mambo. |
| dysan 12.08.2012 06:44 |
Heh. Although I'd argue that the decision to use toy keyboards and drums was artistic. Which in itself is a strange choice of word for an album that lacks Queen's artistry. |
| Sebastian 12.08.2012 07:35 |
It could've also been artistic to get Peter Freestone to sing instead of Freddie Mercury, or to replace Brian's guitars with the sound of a fart, yet that wouldn't make the result any good. |
| andyboy 12.08.2012 07:45 |
I actually quite like the album other than Cool Cat (embarrassing) and Body Language. Dancer and Put Out the Fire are class! |
| cmsdrums 12.08.2012 09:48 |
I agree with Sebastian in that you have Roger and John in the band yet opt for (some quite lame) machine programmed parts. If the album had been recorded and produced differently it may well have been better (although probably still not one of their best). Having said that, it's got a better sound (to me) than The Works, and the awfully sterile A Kind of Magic album (which also has more filler tracks). |
| qz08927 12.08.2012 10:08 |
mooghead wrote: "They went for it, took a great risk with it. " And failed with it....no they did not fail with it at all. They got new fans and retained the old ones at the saame time and pleased some of the old ones who were on their wavelength, and committed to anything they do and did. |
| thomasquinn 32989 12.08.2012 10:17 |
master marathon runner wrote: Hot Space is like the finest of wines, better with age.White wine, perhaps. Palatable when young, a shame to hang on to for years and years. |
| andres_clip 12.08.2012 10:19 |
As king Freddie once said: All this crap again........ |
| qz08927 12.08.2012 10:58 |
face it ,if you dont like hotspace you dont like Queen's diverse musical abilities you just like their rock And your a bit like Adam Lmbert fans, in that you pick only what suites you. Dont deny it. |
| dysan 12.08.2012 12:10 |
@sebastian - yes, but I'm saying that would be their choice, as artists. |
| Wiley 12.08.2012 12:38 |
Sebastian wrote: It could've also been artistic to get Peter Freestone to sing instead of Freddie Mercury, or to replace Brian's guitars with the sound of a fart, yet that wouldn't make the result any good.Except in Hot Space's case, it was. :) |
| brENsKi 12.08.2012 13:23 |
and what rubbish to say they held onto their established fans...they lost a whole continental fan base because of this album (north america) Hot Space is only Queen's best album in a world where they only recorded two albums...and the other one was A kind of Magic |
| Jazz 78 12.08.2012 16:17 |
That's right Brenski! I was one of those kids who loved the band until I heard Hot Space in May of 82. I was so used to the various styles up to this point and then we got coldcocked with this thing. I lost them for a few years until The Works came out and they got me back! But they never lost me completely. I was still loyal... just disappointed! |
| Amazon 12.08.2012 16:44 |
I really like Hot Space. I think it's an extremely fun album, and I consider it to be among Freddie's best vocal albums. However, I do not consider it to be among Queen's best albums. |
| mooghead 12.08.2012 16:56 |
" pleased some of the old ones who were on their wavelength, and committed to anything they do and did." Crap... the old ones (fans) who bought it were committed to it because they were old committed fans. Its a terrible album, even the good songs sound awful due to the production. |
| Djdownsy 12.08.2012 17:10 |
I'm surprised anyone thinks POTF is one of the best songs on the album, the production here is terrible and the lyrics and riff completely uninspired, its purely filler, one of Brian's shittiest songs overall. 'Calling All Girls', on the other hand, I would consider one of the better songs, and it's nearly always overlooked. |
| Dane 14.08.2012 08:19 |
Staying Power - 80's Club song.. terrible Dancer - Musically OK, lyrics suck Back Chat - Rubbish Body Language - Too sexy for its own good... hate it Action This Day - Nice one Put Out the Fire - A bit over produced.. reminds me of Princes Life Is Real (Song for Lennon) - nice ballad Calling All Girls - great song Las Palabras de Amor (The Words of Love) - Musically immaculate Cool Cat - why? never want to hear it again Under Pressure - Great! So only 4 out of 11 songs are rubbish.. Slap on Soul Brother and you have a short but decent album i.m.o.!!! |
| dysan 14.08.2012 08:57 |
I love Cool Cat. Genuinely. I hated it, then I finally got it. Listen to the singing! Amazing. |
| Micrówave 14.08.2012 10:12 |
or to replace Brian's guitars with the sound of a fart This is about HOT SPACE.... Not A Night At The Opera. (Seaside Rendezvous) And I believe that was Roger. |
| tomchristie22 15.08.2012 01:04 |
Dane wrote: Staying Power - 80's Club song.. terribleDancer - Musically OK, lyrics suckBack Chat - RubbishBody Language - Too sexy for its own good... hate itAction This Day - Nice onePut Out the Fire - A bit over produced.. reminds me of PrincesLife Is Real (Song for Lennon) - nice balladCalling All Girls - great songLas Palabras de Amor (The Words of Love) - Musically immaculate Cool Cat - why? never want to hear it againUnder Pressure - Great!So only 4 out of 11 songs are rubbish.. Slap on Soul Brother and you have a short but decent album i.m.o.!!!I like Back Chat and Cool Cat :P You can't really cite poor production as a reason you don't like one of the songs (if that's what you were doing in the case of Put Out The Fire), considering all of them are badly produced so you kind of just have to not factor it in if you want to find anything good in the album. I generally consider (most of) the tracks good songs which are horribly presented. |
| Vocal harmony 15.08.2012 03:37 |
brENsKi wrote: and what rubbish to say they held onto their established fans...they lost a whole continental fan base because of this album (north america) Hot Space is only Queen's best album in a world where they only recorded two albums...and the other one was A kind of Magic |
| Hangman_96 15.08.2012 08:31 |
What's wrong with you people? |
| Heavenite 16.08.2012 17:17 |
I like what was the first side to Hot Space (yes, the funk side). Not at first though. I hated it with a passion back then. But Staying Power, Dancer and Back Chat to me are top songs now, whatever genre they are in. Body Language, Action This Day, Put Out The Fire and Life is Real aren't too bad, but then Calling All Girls, Las Palabras de Amore and Cool Cat are some of my least favourite Queen songs in their career. I also don't think Under Pressure should have been on there at all. Somehow its never fit for me on there, despite being a hit from a year earlier. Just seems to me like they put it on there to fill up space on the album. |
| qz08927 19.08.2012 11:59 |
brENsKi wrote: and what rubbish to say they held onto their established fans...they lost a whole continental fan base because of this album (north america) Hot Space is only Queen's best album in a world where they only recorded two albums...and the other one was A kind of MagicPatently false. Queen have never ever lost fans, no matter what they did. The only fans they may have ever lost were those who piled on for the disco! with things like another one bites the dust number 1 single, those people would have liked hot space. But the True Fans of Queen never gave up on them . I mean how could you reject an album like hot space? if you never bought it? To be honest, i think the only ones who got upset by hot space were the cross-over fans, who were equally thrilled to see Status Quo support acts and the like. They were not really Royal family , they were just general rock fans and liked queen amongst other rock bands but exclusively devoted Royal fans, TRUE QUEEN FANS IN OTHER WORDS, ACCEPTED EVERYTHING THEY DID- While they were full Queen. That is me anyway. |
| Bigfish 20.08.2012 13:13 |
At least it's better than Queen 2. |
| brENsKi 20.08.2012 16:26 |
qz08927 wrote:moronic post of the yearbrENsKi wrote: and what rubbish to say they held onto their established fans...they lost a whole continental fan base because of this album (north america) Hot Space is only Queen's best album in a world where they only recorded two albums...and the other one was A kind of MagicPatently false. Queen have never ever lost fans, no matter what they did. The only fans they may have ever lost were those who piled on for the disco! with things like another one bites the dust number 1 single, those people would have liked hot space. But the True Fans of Queen never gave up on them . I mean how could you reject an album like hot space? if you never bought it? To be honest, i think the only ones who got upset by hot space were the cross-over fans, who were equally thrilled to see Status Quo support acts and the like. They were not really Royal family , they were just general rock fans and liked queen amongst other rock bands but exclusively devoted Royal fans, TRUE QUEEN FANS IN OTHER WORDS, ACCEPTED EVERYTHING THEY DID- While they were full Queen. That is me anyway. |
| thomasquinn 32989 21.08.2012 04:56 |
"TRUE QUEEN FANS IN OTHER WORDS, ACCEPTED EVERYTHING THEY DID" As I see it, people who make remarks like this are only one step away from joining a cult. |
| Heavenite 21.08.2012 10:24 |
brENsKi wrote: and what rubbish to say they held onto their established fans...they lost a whole continental fan base because of this album (north america) Hot Space is only Queen's best album in a world where they only recorded two albums...and the other one was A kind of Magic Hi brENski I also would only rate Hot Space ahead of A Kind Of Magic. In relation to the band's success in the US, Hot Space certainly wouldn't have helped, that's for sure. But the other thing I have heard that might have been a factor in Queen's subsequent disappearance in the US was the fact that the four of them didn't tour there any more after 1982. Think I heard on the recent Days of our Lives video that Freddie only wanted to tour if they had a hit, but to have a hit it often helps to tour. Sort of a chicken and egg thing. I also recall them saying that it took 7 years for Queen to conquer America. Then they seem to have let that market wither and die by ignoring it up until Queen stopped touring in 1986. |
| adamdietrick 21.08.2012 12:02 |
First post on a Queen forum since the 1990s, please excuse any short hand as i am on a smart phone. I just finished relistening to this album and am of the opinion that the band didn't suddenly stop making good songs but rather Hot Space was merely a victim of the "album concept." With a little better direction this could have been a good album. However, I do remember feeling like I had been slapped in the face the first time I had heard it-- not the feeling I was looking for. Staying Power -- this is the one dance track I would leave as is. Good start to a disco album. Dancer -- the lyrics are weak, but I like the song. Would really benefit from a more traditional Queen treatment. Back Chat -- this seems like a classic Queen track gone horribly wrong. See "Dancer" Body Language -- this song gets a bad rap because it is a poster child for a poor album. Would have better received if it was on another album, reminiscent of Get Down, Make Love. Action This Day -- Re-record this without the programming and Roger would have really had something Put Out the Fire -- I can't believe they tried passing themselves off as an apolitical band when they got in trouble over sun city. The lyrics really seem phoned in and forced. Was much better once it was reworked into Hammer to Fall Life Is Real -- the only original track I can say I liked upon first listening, don't change a thing. Calling All Girls -- another victim of the digitized sound, too bad reminded me of some of the better early deep cuts-- Misfire, Tenement Munster, She Makes Me, Funny How Love Is. I think it's the open chords. Las Palabras de Amor -- good track, sounds like it came off A Day at the Races. Very sugary, unusual for a Queen ballad to no be about a broken heart. Cool Cat -- A decent funk track, not dance like the rest of the album. I think this is the best we could expect from this one. Under Pressure -- a bonus track. It doesn't belong, but queen was right to put it on an album for the fans, much like the Beatles did with strawberry fields. |
| Wiley 21.08.2012 16:45 |
adamdietrick wrote: Back Chat -- this seems like a classic Queen track gone horribly wrong.Hahaha, I never thought about it but you have a good point. It's like John said "Ok, you morons, I've had enough of your shit. Now that Dust is our biggest seller you'll let me do things MY WAY" and BAM! If it wasn't for Brian's awesome "angry" solo it would be a dud. |
| Heavenite 21.08.2012 17:25 |
I think the lyrics on Dancer and Back Chat are pretty mundance, yet Freddie's vocal turns them into something special. Its funny, I used to hate the first three tracks, now they're my favourites on the album. Body Language is pretty clever I guess, but its a bit overdone I think with the way too many oohs and aahs. Sort of an attempt to create aural porn....lol. |
| qz08927 30.08.2012 00:14 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: "TRUE QUEEN FANS IN OTHER WORDS, ACCEPTED EVERYTHING THEY DID"As I see it, people who make remarks like this are only one step away from joining a cult.No, its not cult like, it is just accepting the music they made. Some songs obviously you will like more than others, but to hate a whole album is just silly. Except for the later ones that is, i dislike them not because of the music but because of Freddie's death. |
| brENsKi 30.08.2012 10:55 |
that ^^^ argument doesn't work if it's possible to like every trak on an album, it's also equally possible to hate EVERY track on another queen album |
| Martin Packer 30.08.2012 13:45 |
Actually I rather like Action This Day and Calling All Girls, especially the latter. I found Body Language brave but boring. |
| Heavenite 01.09.2012 13:12 |
We're all so different yet still like the same band. Calling All Girls is close to my least favourite song in the whole Queen catalogue. Obviously I just don't get it. Action This Day is not so bad in my book. Still not anywhere near a favourite of mine though. |
| qz08927 02.09.2012 02:41 |
brENsKi wrote: that ^^^ argument doesn't work if it's possible to like every trak on an album, it's also equally possible to hate EVERY track on another queen albumok so WHICH ALBUM do you hate every song? |
| Martin Packer 02.09.2012 04:00 |
@Heavenite Thanks for helping me make my point: Something for everyone on every album. But not necessarily the same thing. |
| Heavenite 02.09.2012 06:33 |
No worries Martin. My favourites on Hot Space are Staying Power, Dancer and Back Chat (ie the first three tracks). What's your opinion on those? I am thinking that they probably aren't YOUR thing....lol. |
| brENsKi 02.09.2012 09:38 |
Bigfish wrote: At least it's better than Queen 2.well we've found the proof of the saying that "it really does take all sorts" |
| mooghead 02.09.2012 13:22 |
qz08927 wrote: The most controversial album in Queen's recording History, "Hot Space" was a real departure for Queen. A disco funk rock fusion, mixed with a latin ballad, Hot Space, i have come to my musical conclusion, is one Queen's best ever albums, if only for it's total uniqueness. Hot Space never ever bore, is never repetitive, and truly was and is groundbreaking. So on balance, far from it being Queen's weakest moment, it exemplifies Queen's greatest secret ingredient , that being musical diversity and inventiveness that prodcuced so many musical suprises in every style of music they took on board amidst their short lived recording career.Nobody cares what you think |
| brENsKi 02.09.2012 13:43 |
i didn't say i hated EVERY track on any album. i said if it's possible to love every track on one album then it's equally possible to hate every track on another. which it is. as regards qzloadsanumbers...i want to hear what he has to say...but only from a purely comedic point of view |
| qz08927 02.09.2012 20:18 |
brENsKi wrote: i didn't say i hated EVERY track on any album. i said if it's possible to love every track on one album then it's equally possible to hate every track on another. which it is. as regards qzloadsanumbers...i want to hear what he has to say...but only from a purely comedic point of viewGo watch borat if you want comedy I leave it with you at arms rest, seeing as you dont hate HOT SPACE |
| Heavenite 02.09.2012 21:49 |
brENsKi wrote: Bigfish wrote: At least it's better than Queen 2. well we've found the proof of the saying that "it really does take all sorts" Wow! I have worshipped Queen 2, as did a bunch of my friends. But hey, good luck to him....lol. I definitely approve of his choice of group. One of the best things I can say about Hot Space is the band had balls on that album! I much prefer The Works, but I thought it was a safe choice and was also Queen by numbers to a certain extent. It took me a helluva long time, but the songs I like on Hot Space, I really love they days. So the album also taught me something musically (in terms of funk), something I wasn't really willing to learn at the time. The Works did too, but to nowhere near the same extent. |
| Martin Packer 03.09.2012 02:07 |
@Heavenite I like Dancer and Backchat but found Staying Power insipid on the album. Live, though (and I was at MK in 1982) Staying Power was fab. I still think the whole "hot space" idea was a good one but they didn't do it as well as they could've. |
| Heavenite 03.09.2012 03:25 |
Martin Packer wrote: @Heavenite I like Dancer and Backchat but found Staying Power insipid on the album. Live, though (and I was at MK in 1982) Staying Power was fab. Hi Martin 2 out of 3 wasn't bad regarding those first three songs, was it? And hey! Lucky you being at the Milton Keynes concert back then. I've got to check if one's availabe on DVD. I'm pretty sure it is. Martin Packer wrote: I still think the whole "hot space" idea was a good one. but they didn't do it as well as they could've. Agreed! Now yes, but certainly not at the time though. These days I might have would preferred it if they'd kept going with the funk. Can't believe I just said that! :-) |
| Invisible Woman 30.06.2017 03:13 |
For me, of course, it's not the best album, but I do not think it's bad. |