| inu-liger 18.07.2012 05:39 |
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO, just what the heck is going on with the Fanthology-related video releases we were supposedly going to enjoy as of late May? (later pushed to June due to personal delays, last we'd heard) It's been over 2 months now, and Brian's Wig has not responded to inquiries (public and private) as to the status of the releases, and John Stuart last I checked didn't have a clue what was going on with him either. Did we just get wound up for nothing, or are there some serious snags going on behind the scenes we're just not aware of? Not trying to cause offense or anything, but I would like some serious answers here, and I'm sure others would too. |
| dave76 18.07.2012 14:28 |
I'm also looking forward to whatever he has in store for us. Hoping we will get it soon. |
| J.C 18.07.2012 16:01 |
Brian's Wig has left the Queenzone. He is now a serious collector of Sesame Street merchandise. He swaped all his Queen collection for Sesame Steet magazine issue 1 November 1972, It is the one when Oscar The Groouch moves into the Trash Can, a good deal I think. He now spends most of his time on Sesame Street colouring in books, he can't quite get Big Bird right I hear. A sad turn of events.... All of the "Queen Ubers" thought so too and commited suicide out of sheer depression. I hope they are with Freddie in Heaven. So we are all screwed now. Queenzone is closing on Friday. |
| The Real Wizard 18.07.2012 16:27 |
And everything must go ! |
| soxtalon 18.07.2012 17:44 |
Well it's not like we were ever owed anything. People were going to share items they procured possibly at great expense. *shrug* It'll happen when it happens and if it doesn't, yeah I'll be disappointed but I didn't pay for it so I can't expect anything. With that being said, it would be nice to hear either way if this was still being worked on or if it was abandoned. |
| Gaabiizz 18.07.2012 19:45 |
soxtalon wrote: It would be nice to hear either way if this was still being worked on or if it was abandoned. |
| Vocal harmony 18.07.2012 19:49 |
Ah the Queen illuminati And their untouchable collection. . . . Will they devalue what they have by releasing it to the masses. Will they risk Island and Queen Productions knowing what's in the hands of people who shouldn't have it. |
| inu-liger 18.07.2012 21:40 |
I'm just going to request in advance that *everybody* please refrain from mud slinging. I don't intend nor want for this post to stoop down to low brow attacks, we already had too much of that in the DRF topics. .. "Well it's not like we were ever owed anything." Certainly, I realize and agree with you on that, HOWEVER when you announce something big like that in terms of bootleg releases and fail to live up to your word as promised, and people involved can't seem to answer inquiries or offer follow ups in the least, fair questions can be expected to arouse accordingly. I really don't want to resort to piling on pressure, however at the same time I just don't want to feel as if we were being lied to (or wound up), especially when it comes from very reputable people in the first place. |
| Jam Monkey 19.07.2012 01:00 |
I think a few thing need to be cleared up. The Fanthology is simply a group of private citizens who have come together out of mutual love for Queen. We are not, despite the rumours, a group of super villains who hang out at our island fortress locking Queen rarities in a vault surrounded by a moat protected by sharked armed with lasers. Yes, some of us do have collections of unreleased material, some us most certainly do not. As such, we are really not a group of people from whom anything should be expected, or answers demanded. We all have jobs, families and various other things that keep us busy, so if things take longer than expected that’s just the way it is. So, please cut us a little slack and be patient. |
| soxtalon 19.07.2012 08:38 |
I think that is absolutely fair enough :) I personally am just glad to know that it hasn't been abandoned. |
| tero! 48531 19.07.2012 13:28 |
It's not like I really care, but now that you did start the topic... It does make the whole release plan sound fictional, or at the very least as realiable as Brian's promises. |
| A Word In Your Ear 20.07.2012 13:15 |
I am possitive it will come. People get busy, as I am sure Brianswig is the same as everyone else in the real world. Family commitments & such, do tend to monopolise peoples time. (well it does for me anyway) I'm sure at the time of the promise of the release, he meant it. But shit happens. anyway, if it takes 2 years, it will happen at sometime in the future. It's just a matter of playing the waiting game. Anyway, we can't complain about a few months wait, I mean, my god!!! how long has Greg Brookes & QPL been promissing us the official Antholigy set??? |
| Micrówave 20.07.2012 15:50 |
So, please cut us a little slack and be patient.(Even though we said to expect some kind of release months ago) Maybe you shouldn't have announced a release was coming... |
| brians wig 21.07.2012 17:23 |
Like "Word In Your Ear" said, 'shit happens'. The release originally planned ended up being used for a personal trade and therefore it didn't seem fair to then give it away for free here. My next plan was scuppered when my PC died (fortunate really as it was a good excuse to upgrade, although a costly one that required some serious scrimping and saving for a couple of months), and I haven't got back on track with that yet, so what's actually coming is another compilation that was planned for later in the year and you'll all find out what that is tomorrow night with any luck. I'll be going over to a friends house and torrenting it from there for a few days as his internet connection is far superior than mine! |
| GinjaNinja 21.07.2012 17:45 |
Thanks for the update brianswig! I'm really looking forward to the share :) |
| inu-liger 21.07.2012 18:07 |
Thanks for the update BW :-) |
| tero! 48531 22.07.2012 03:33 |
brians wig wrote:The release originally planned ended up being used for a personal trade and therefore it didn't seem fair to then give it away for free here.I don't like to sound too negative, but that's exactly the reason why you can't trust a trader who says that he was "going to share something anyway, but that nasty DF guy screwed everything". A trader doesn't GIVE anything away until he's made sure he couldn't possibly benefit from it in the trading circles. I'm sure what you're going to release is fine and dandy for those who are desperate for any scraps, but to you it's little more than excrement you can't wait to unload. |
| tcc 22.07.2012 04:05 |
tero! 48531 wrote:brians wig wrote:The release originally planned ended up being used for a personal trade and therefore it didn't seem fair to then give it away for free here.I don't like to sound too negative, but that's exactly the reason why you can't trust a trader who says that he was "going to share something anyway, but that nasty DF guy screwed everything". A trader doesn't GIVE anything away until he's made sure he couldn't possibly benefit from it in the trading circles. I'm sure what you're going to release is fine and dandy for those who are desperate for any scraps, but to you it's little more than excrement you can't wait to unload. If he did not say it, no one (except his group) would know what will be shared was the originally planned one or another one. |
| brians wig 22.07.2012 04:57 |
Commenting on the above posting from tcc, well, I'm just being open and honest... The original release was going to be a compilation of RT & Cross promo videos in what I think is the best quality available (although if anyone DID have better quality and was willing to share then the DVD would be upgraded), but the person I traded with actually requested those: That's why it didn't seem fair to then upload them. They will come in time though as will the same compilation for BM promos and BM live TV appearances (although this one WILL come with a request for better quality recordings if anyone has them!) |
| tero! 48531 22.07.2012 06:33 |
What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely. You didn't expect the RT material to have any value anymore, and were pleasantly surprised. I guess your trading partner is now thrilled to hear that you were going to share the material freely, and had to give you something in exchange... Not that I feel any sympathy for him either, but perhaps that's something that shouldn't have been posted publicly. |
| . 22.07.2012 06:41 |
Are these the same quality as the Roger Taylor / Cross videos I shared recently? Are they in fact from the same DVDs? link link link link link I didn't share any official promos as I thought that would be against the rules?? |
| brians wig 22.07.2012 07:52 |
No they're not and besides, what you have listed above are 'LIVE' TV appearances rather than promos. Also, the promos have never been officially released to buy and so there is no problem in sharing them. |
| . 22.07.2012 12:28 |
brians wig wrote: Also, the promos have never been officially released to buy and so there is no problem in sharing them.I always thought the audio on the promos was still regarded as official. If this is not the case I can upload some promos to compare. I'm also thinking perhaps the Strange Frontier promo cannot be shared as it was released on laserdisc and VHS. |
| inu-liger 22.07.2012 16:38 |
First Fanthology-related release here, folks link |
| The Real Wizard 23.07.2012 10:57 |
tero! 48531 wrote: What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.That's a pretty short-sighted way of looking at it. Without collectors, how much of your unreleased music do you think you'd have? How many Queen videos from the 70s would be on youtube? Have you ever lifted a finger to help track new things down? I highly doubt it. The only people who seem to be unhappy about this way of acquiring new material are the gimme gimme crowd who haven't bothered to get off their soapbox to find something themselves. We'll keep giving and you can keep taking. I'm fine with that. Just stop complaining and say thanks before you point and click on that free download. |
| The Real Wizard 23.07.2012 11:03 |
tero! 48531 wrote: What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.Would you prefer that everything was hoarded forever? You are mixing up two things here - the method and the mentality. You are characterizing a large group of music collectors in a negative light because your sense of entitlement isn't being fed on command. Ever thought of the possibility that collectors may actually enjoy sharing things, and that hanging onto a few rarities is a choice made for everyone's eventual benefit? |
| soxtalon 23.07.2012 11:03 |
Excellent point! We're getting these things for FREE - All we have to do is point and click. Some of the stuff that has been released people have spent money on or time on tracking them down. If you don't want what's offered that's fine, but there's NO reason to disparage the process or attack someone for choosing to NOT release something for free what they spent time and/or money on...especially since it may have value in trade for something else equally as valuable. |
| tero! 48531 23.07.2012 12:17 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not in the "Gimme Gimme Crowd". I've pretty much lost all interest in listening to any Queen material thanks to the QP release policy, and it's been about 7 years since the last time I downloaded any Queen material (the QPR concert I went to). Maybe you'd like to think of yourself as the Robin Hood -type who takes from the rich and gives to the poor, but it's not the reality.tero! 48531 wrote: What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.That's a pretty short-sighted way of looking at it. Without collectors, how much of your unreleased music do you think you'd have? How many Queen videos from the 70s would be on youtube? Have you ever lifted a finger to help track new things down? I highly doubt it. The only people who seem to be unhappy about this way of acquiring new material are the gimme gimme crowd who haven't bothered to get off their soapbox to find something themselves. We'll keep giving and you can keep taking. I'm fine with that. Just stop complaining and say thanks before you point and click on that free download. The Real Wizard wrote:I'm not mixing it up, you're the one trying to give it a falsely positive spin.tero! 48531 wrote: What it all comes down to is that traders are first and foremost traders, not GIVERS. If there's a chance to benefit from something, it isn't going to be shared freely.Would you prefer that everything was hoarded forever? You are mixing up two things here - the method and the mentality. You are characterizing a large group of music collectors in a negative light because your sense of entitlement isn't being fed on command. Ever thought of the possibility that collectors may actually enjoy sharing things, and that hanging onto a few rarities is a choice made for everyone's eventual benefit? In this very topic Brian's Wig has voluntarily informed us that (s)he was going to give something freely, but scrapped that plan when (s)he got a trade out of the same material. That's the way how traders work, and you can't blame them for that. But on that same note, you can hardly make them out to be philanthropists, can you? The "eventual benefits" for the general public only appear when there is no foreseeable benefit for trader. |
| soxtalon 23.07.2012 14:07 |
Or you could choose to look it at as they use what they have to the utmost to gain as much material that they can TO eventually release to the public. The potential is there that a trader would like to release everything to the public but knows that if he did he would not have any opportunity to gain any more material that he feels the general public may have. Does the trader benefit? Absolutely. Is it possible he is thinking of both himself/herself AND the general public? Absolutely. This is how the most material surfaces. The only shitty think is that it takes time. |
| The Real Wizard 23.07.2012 14:17 |
tero! 48531 wrote: Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not in the "Gimme Gimme Crowd". I've pretty much lost all interest in listening to any Queen material thanks to the QP release policy, and it's been about 7 years since the last time I downloaded any Queen material (the QPR concert I went to).So then why have you made it your life's work today to vilify collectors if you have no idea what they've been up to for the larger part of the last decade? I'm not mixing it up, you're the one trying to give it a falsely positive spin.My mistake. I've only been in the thick of it for the last 15 years, so I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about But on that same note, you can hardly make them out to be philanthropists, can you? The "eventual benefits" for the general public only appear when there is no foreseeable benefit for trader.... which leads us back to the same question. Would you prefer this or having everything hoarded forever? This forum has been awash with new material for the past decade, so to me it looks like things are going pretty well. |
| ParisNair 23.07.2012 14:36 |
tero! 48531's postslike Sir Zappa (ha!)said...very short sighted and lacking in perspective. You give a lotta people bad name. |
| inu-liger 23.07.2012 16:17 |
@ Tero: Brian's Wig is a he |
| tero! 48531 24.07.2012 13:59 |
The Real Wizard wrote:... which leads us back to the same question. Would you prefer this or having everything hoarded forever?I don't really care. It's not my problem. I'm also not here to "villify" anyone. I'm just pointing out the obvious logic behind the actions of brians wig (and every other trader), which you want to deny and instead portray the traders in better light than they deserve. The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...) That's what traders do, they don't do charity. If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour? |
| tero! 48531 24.07.2012 14:00 |
inu-liger wrote: @ Tero: Brian's Wig is a heThanks, I'll remember that in the future. ;) |
| tcc 24.07.2012 18:45 |
tero! 48531 wrote: The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...) That's what traders do, they don't do charity.If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour?The nature of a collector is such that when something collectible crops up, he would not miss the opportunity. Why would any collector say he would not want anything in exchange if the person offers something good for his videos ? |
| tero! 48531 26.07.2012 06:47 |
tcc wrote:That's exactly my point!tero! 48531 wrote: The man wrote he was going to give something freely, until he found out he could still benefit from it by trading. (He could just as well have said that the videos were going to be released anyway, and he didn't want anything in exchange...) That's what traders do, they don't do charity.If you think pointing that out is "villifying" the traders, I guess you think there's something wrong with such behaviour?The nature of a collector is such that when something collectible crops up, he would not miss the opportunity. Why would any collector say he would not want anything in exchange if the person offers something good for his videos ? The collectors (or traders as I call them) are NOT the kind, generous, Robon Hood -type of people who give everything away in exchange for nothing. They will persoonally benefit from the material in their possession for as long as posssible. Some people think saying that out loud is "villifying" the traders, but I like to call it brutal honesty... It's also the reason why the posters of QZ shouldn't expect any miraculous releases from the Fanthology, because the material that DOES end up here is un-tradeable, and as such "little more than excrement" for the trading circles. Sorry for "villifying" you again. :P |
| The Real Wizard 26.07.2012 09:53 |
Congratulations - you partially understand how music collecting works. Instead of complaining, can you offer an alternative that would work better for everyone? |
| Micrówave 26.07.2012 10:57 |
You really are full of yourself, aren't you? |
| tero! 48531 26.07.2012 10:59 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Congratulations - you partially understand how music collecting works. Instead of complaining, can you offer an alternative that would work better for everyone?I suggest that those people who want to trade, keep on trading. I suggest that if somebody breaks a promise to them and posts something that hinders their trading efforts, they concentrate their efforts on the rest of their trading pool instead of trying to improve their own personal image. I suggest that if they do want to post some material publicly, they do so without any expectations of public gratitude or support for their trading activities, and without any mention of the material they WERE going to post before they got a better deal for it in trade. That's an alternative to the apparent Fanthology method, and would make the life on QZ (and the trading circles) nicer for everyone. |
| Holly2003 26.07.2012 11:27 |
An alternative "business model" might be for as many collectors as possible to digitally share everything they have within the Queen fanbase. Then there will be less rarities for trade and what rarities remaining might then see the light of day much quicker. If there is a smaller trading community then stuff will get traded quicker and will lose its value quicker. There will come a point when there's not much left to be shared. Why draw that out any longer than needs be? Now, I don't believe for a second this will happen, but you did ask for an alternative. |
| . 26.07.2012 16:31 |
I Trade I Share It makes me happy to give things to people who appreciate them. |
| OwenSmith 29.07.2012 10:15 |
brians wig wrote: Commenting on the above posting from tcc, well, I'm just being open and honest... The original release was going to be a compilation of RT & Cross promo videos in what I think is the best quality available (although if anyone DID have better quality and was willing to share then the DVD would be upgraded), but the person I traded with actually requested those: That's why it didn't seem fair to then upload them.If that's me you're talking about in the trade for the RT & Cross promo videos then I'm more than happy for you to release them to everyone else, in fact I positively encourage it. I sent you my tapes to transfer to share with everyone, these were uploaded by Real Wizard as a fourth source of Birmingham 1984. I wasn't expecting anything in return but when you offered I accepted something gladly. But I had no aspirations of exclusivity for it. Similarly if you want to upload the transfer of the Live Aid FM radio tape I sent you then please go ahead. I don't keep anything to myself, if I had anything else that could be shared I would share it. But everything else I have are official releases, even if they can be a bit tricky to get hold of. I originally assumed that the promo videos DVD was a private trade simply because it was a compilation of official releases and hence couldn't be shared here. I got told off for posting a link to a DVD rip of the Budapest 86 Laserdisc which I would have thought is a similar case (it's official, but not on any current format). |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 29.07.2012 12:51 |
Well understand the point of Tero and The Real Wizzard. Collecting and trading Queen over 20 years I know how hard it is to get some unique things. And sometimes I get fed up with the " you can have this but you cannot do anything with it" a promise which is made everytime and mostly broken. I think it would be more fair to share everything. I know people payed a lot for a certain acetate or testpress. But there are only a handfull of unique versions on those formats. And does the collector buy the item because of it's content or because of he wants the item himself... As for bootleg recordings wether it's audio or video8 or any other amateur format : people cannot keep it for them selves imo. Okay one ownes a great souvineer from the show he/she attended. But they cannot claim any rights to it's content that belongs to the artist. I really can't see why people don't upload this for free. It is and will always be a infrior amateur product. And only a handfull of people will be interested in this. E.g. After the Queen + pr shows people were acting like greedy wolves. You can buy or trade a cope but cannot do anything with it... Stupid these weren't the 70's were huge old fashioned gear needed to smuggle into the arena. All queen pr shows are bootleged in audio and as for the many handycam recordings : i don't really care . And if someone does when did you watched a entire queen+pr bootleg dvd ? So my point is : amateur = share it Pro recordings = trade them around Of course this is my opinion and I hope anyone will respect my point. Then again and needles to say. The true and real Queen collectors aren't on Queenzone ! |