Marknow 16.07.2012 13:56 |
Queen 27.09.1981 Poliedro De Caracas Caracas, Venezuela Not much of an upgrade quality wise, but at least it's lossless. Lineage : X? - 7 inch Reel x 2 - X? - CDR - Eac - Frontend Flac 8 http://i.imgur.com/yBvaFl.jpg" title="Hosted by imgur.com" alt="" /> 01. Intro 02. We Will Rock You (fast) 03. Let Me Entertain You 04. Play The Game 05. Somebody To Love 06. Killer Queen 07. I'm In Love With My Car 08. Get Down Make Love 09. Need Your Lovin' Tonight 10. Save Me 11. Now I'm Here 12. Dragon Attack 13. Now I'm Here 14. Love Of My Life 15. Keep Yourself Alive 01. Drum Solo 02. Guitar Solo (Cut) 03. Flash 04. The Hero 05. Crazy Little Thing Called Love 06. Bohemian Rhapsody 07. Tie Your Mother Down 08. Another One Bites The Dust 09. Sheer Heart Attack 10. We Will Rock You 11. We Are The Champions 12. God Save The Queen Enjoy. Mark. |
thefallenqueen 16.07.2012 14:10 |
Nice nice nice, thanks a lot! Let's go home and get f...ed! |
pittrek 16.07.2012 15:30 |
Hey, the reels look VERY familiar :-) Did we buy from the same eBay seller ? :-) Could you compare it please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ? |
Marknow 16.07.2012 15:39 |
pittrek wrote: Hey, the reels look VERY familiar :-) Did we buy from the same eBay seller ? :-) Could you compare it please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ? Yep same guy, I noticed you in his feedback :) |
Marknow 16.07.2012 15:40 |
VERY similar.Could you compareit please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ? Was your tape a upgrade, if you don't mind me asking? |
Marknow 16.07.2012 15:53 |
pittrek wrote: Could you compare it please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ? Could you link me to that share? Just to make sure. |
GinjaNinja 16.07.2012 17:22 |
Wonderful! Thanks very much :) |
GuitarMay 16.07.2012 20:46 |
Thanks Marknow, Fantastic share !!! |
brunogorski 16.07.2012 22:13 |
Thanks, Marknow! :D |
pittrek 17.07.2012 00:41 |
Marknow wrote:link but I'm not sure if it helps :-)pittrek wrote: Could you compare it please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ?Could you link me to that share? Just to make sure. |
rocknrolllover 17.07.2012 05:47 |
Is the source from bideo feed? |
pmatsynot 17.07.2012 06:46 |
thanks for this share |
Marknow 17.07.2012 06:59 |
pittrek wrote:Marknow wrote:link but I'm not sure if it helps :-)pittrek wrote: Could you compare it please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ?Could you linkme to that share? Just to make sure. Although similar in size this version is cleaner to me, let me know what you think if you get a chance to compare. Please note, this is a raw version here, no work at all done on it from my end. |
MackMantilla 17.07.2012 09:44 |
Nice to have this in lossless quality :) |
bokkepoot 17.07.2012 10:05 |
Thanks for sharing this recording :D |
Marknow 17.07.2012 10:06 |
rocknrolllover wrote: Is the source from bideo feed? Don't know to be honest mate. |
Tim June 17.07.2012 10:42 |
Thank you very much! Interesting show. |
Gaabiizz 17.07.2012 11:36 |
Great , Thanks! |
Hangman_96 17.07.2012 14:29 |
Marknow wrote:There can't be any other source for this show other than video feed.rocknrolllover wrote: Is the source from bideo feed?Don't know to be honest mate. :-) |
The Real Wizard 17.07.2012 15:54 |
So then who went out of their way to create an extra generation by dubbing the video to a reel tape? It's unlikely to be another source since it is the exact same mix as the video feed. I remain curious. Either way, thanks for the share Mark. |
TheVisibleMan 17.07.2012 16:02 |
Thank You |
Marknow 17.07.2012 16:05 |
Here is a copy and paste from the ebay sale. Read into into it what you like. :) QUEEN CARACAS 27/09/81 MEGA RARE 2 X 7" REEL TO REEL FULL CONCERT RECORDING. THIS WAS SOLD AT AUCTION IN THE USA EARLIER THIS YEAR AND COMES FROM A RECORD COMPANY EXEC WHO DECIDED TO SELL HIS COLLECTION OF REEL 2 REEL TAPES OF QUEEN CONCERTS. I MANAGED TO SECURE THE FULL COLLECTION AND SENT THEM TO A STUDIO IN THE STATES TO BE TRANSFERRED TO CD, THE WINNER WILL ALSO RECEIVE A COPY OF THE CD FREE OF CHARGE. I HAVE NO INFORMATION AS TO THE ORIGIN OF THE TAPES BUT CAN CONFIRM THE QUALITY IS VERY VERY GOOD AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A SAMPLE OR SPECIFIC SONG ETC JUST SEND ME A MESSAGE WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND YOU A SAMPLE IN MP3 SOUND QUALITY IS 8/10 THE CONCERT IS 91:00 MINUTES THE STUDIO HAVE TOLD ME THE TAPE IS IN EX CONDITION ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE HAPPY BIDDING |
The Real Wizard 17.07.2012 16:13 |
Oh, this guy ... I hope it didn't cost you too much. I still hear digital flaws galore in the sound. It's nothing but the existing versions dubbed to reel tapes. I'm sure he invested some money to have the dubbing done, but he sure made good money on these sales. There is little doubt these were very recently dubbed, likely in someone's basement. |
Marknow 17.07.2012 16:33 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Oh, this guy ... I hope it didn't cost you too much. I still hear digital flaws galore in the sound. It's nothing but the existing versions dubbed to reel tapes. I'm sure he invested some money to have the dubbing done, but he sure made good money on these sales. There is little doubt these were very recently dubbed, likely in someone's basement. You sure It's the same guy? I checked this guys history before purchase, and the only other tape he sold was to Peter. The rest of his stuff is all official Queen merchandise, rare-ish Queen vinyl etc. This guy is UK based. There was another guy based in USA selling Queen Reel to Reels two weeks ago on ebay, he was well dodgy, I retracted a bid on a 80 minute reel of Queen live 1976, I noticed he sold the exact same reel 6 weeks previous, he had about five Queen Reels some U2, Geneses, etc. http://www.ebay.ie/itm/230823042406?ssPageName=STRK:MEBOFFX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1427.l2649 Same seller same Item. http://www.ebay.ie/itm/230785862719 |
Marknow 17.07.2012 16:41 |
Did any of you buy tapes from the other guy? He sold multiple reels from 1975, 76, 77, 81, 86. Just curious about the quality. |
pittrek 18.07.2012 09:40 |
I'm listening to it right now and I have a feeling it sounds better than I remember |
people on streets 18.07.2012 10:12 |
pittrek wrote: Hey, the reels look VERY familiar :-) Did we buy from the same eBay seller ? :-) Could you compare it please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ?did you buy all the reels from the UK based seller? Saw them too, but they were very expensive if I remember correctly. |
people on streets 18.07.2012 10:14 |
Marknow wrote: Here is a copy and paste from the ebay sale. Read into into it what you like. :) QUEEN CARACAS 27/09/81 MEGA RARE 2 X 7" REEL TO REEL FULL CONCERT RECORDING. THIS WAS SOLD AT AUCTION IN THE USA EARLIER THIS YEAR AND COMES FROM A RECORD COMPANY EXEC WHO DECIDED TO SELL HIS COLLECTION OF REEL 2 REEL TAPES OF QUEEN CONCERTS. I MANAGED TO SECURE THE FULL COLLECTION AND SENT THEM TO A STUDIO IN THE STATES TO BE TRANSFERRED TO CD, THE WINNER WILL ALSO RECEIVE A COPY OF THE CD FREE OF CHARGE. I HAVE NO INFORMATION AS TO THE ORIGIN OF THE TAPES BUT CAN CONFIRM THE QUALITY IS VERY VERY GOOD AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A SAMPLE OR SPECIFIC SONG ETC JUST SEND ME A MESSAGE WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND YOU A SAMPLE IN MP3 SOUND QUALITY IS 8/10 THE CONCERT IS 91:00 MINUTES THE STUDIO HAVE TOLD ME THE TAPE IS IN EX CONDITION ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE HAPPY BIDDINGdid you buy all the reels from the UK based seller? Saw them too, but they were very expensive if I remember correctly. |
people on streets 18.07.2012 10:21 |
Looks lossy in EAC by the way... |
Marknow 18.07.2012 11:02 |
people on streets wrote:Cost me £40, was surprised that won it tbh, compared to other sales for reels.Marknow wrote: Here is a copy and paste from the ebay sale. Read into into it what you like. :) QUEEN CARACAS 27/09/81 MEGA RARE 2 X 7" REEL TO REEL FULL CONCERT RECORDING. THIS WAS SOLD AT AUCTION IN THE USA EARLIER THIS YEAR AND COMES FROM A RECORD COMPANY EXEC WHO DECIDED TO SELL HIS COLLECTION OF REEL 2 REEL TAPES OF QUEEN CONCERTS. I MANAGED TO SECURE THE FULL COLLECTION AND SENT THEM TO A STUDIO IN THE STATES TO BE TRANSFERRED TO CD, THE WINNER WILL ALSO RECEIVE A COPY OF THE CD FREE OF CHARGE. I HAVE NO INFORMATION AS TO THE ORIGIN OF THE TAPES BUT CAN CONFIRM THE QUALITY IS VERY VERY GOOD AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A SAMPLE OR SPECIFIC SONG ETC JUST SEND ME A MESSAGE WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND YOU A SAMPLE IN MP3 SOUND QUALITY IS 8/10 THE CONCERT IS 91:00 MINUTES THE STUDIO HAVE TOLD ME THE TAPE IS IN EX CONDITION ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE HAPPY BIDDINGdid you buy all the reels from the UK based seller? Saw them too, but they were very expensive if I remember correctly. If it was a Breakdown or Tarantura boot or one of the other labels it would have been £50-£80 for the same recording. Regardless of it's issues, this is the best version shared yet, worth it in my opinion. |
Marknow 18.07.2012 11:05 |
people on streets wrote: Looks lossy in EAC by the way...If it is vhs sourced, which it looks like it is then It will be lossy, but Traders little helper says it's not mpeg, so...? Is TLH not reliable for analysis? |
pittrek 18.07.2012 11:10 |
people on streets wrote:pittrek wrote: Hey, the reels look VERY familiar :-) Did we buy from the same eBay seller ? :-) Could you compare it please to my transfer of Sikke's tape ?did you buy all the reels from the UK based seller? Saw them too, but they were very expensive if I remember correctly. Just one. The seller promised me he will say me when he gets the rest of his tape transferred and I never heard from him again. Now I know why, Mark made a better offer :-) |
pittrek 18.07.2012 11:12 |
people on streets wrote: Looks lossy in EAC by the way... I'm checking the spectral view in Cool Edit Pro. There are basically no frequencies over 12kHz, which is pretty strange, but not mp3-sourced. |
Marknow 18.07.2012 11:32 |
pittrek wrote:Just one. The seller promised me he will say me when he gets the rest of his tape transferred and I never heard from him again. Now I know why, Mark made a better offer :-) Just fluked on it on ebay tbh, I spend more time on there than is healthy:-) The mp3 sample did sound cleaner than the 4 other samples I had so I took a risk, It paid off slightly. I also asked the seller to contact me if he has other audio or video, I have a feeling he might have stuff a gen or two better than what is shared here. I could be proved very wrong though. That's the fun in it. I would urge anybody buying reel to reel tapes to exercise extreme caution, people are taking advantage. |
vivaqueen 20.07.2012 15:17 |
MERCI BEAUCOUP |
brians wig 23.07.2012 16:37 |
Hmmm. I too had contact with him, but with the exception of a couple of recordings which he said would be added later, there was nothing that wasn't available on video. I came to the conclusion that he's probably played a blinder and copied some videos onto reel tapes, spun a yarn and collected a cool £300+ from everyone who bid. Almost wish I'd thought of it.... |
Mr.QueenFan 25.07.2012 15:27 |
Thanks Marknow for this concert. I never really enjoyd the sound of this one in the past, but looking forward to listen to this improved version. |
people on streets 27.07.2012 13:27 |
brians wig wrote: Hmmm. I too had contact with him, but with the exception of a couple of recordings which he said would be added later, there was nothing that wasn't available on video. I came to the conclusion that he's probably played a blinder and copied some videos onto reel tapes, spun a yarn and collected a cool £300+ from everyone who bid.That's what I thought too (after he'd send me some samples) |
people on streets 27.07.2012 13:28 |
Marknow wrote:I always look at the spectrum of the wav file.people on streets wrote: Looks lossy in EAC by the way...If it is vhs sourced, which it looks like it is then It will be lossy, but Traders little helper says it's not mpeg, so...? Is TLH not reliable for analysis? EAC is reliable. |
The Real Wizard 27.07.2012 14:55 |
Agreed. If it cuts off around 16 kHz, it has been digitally altered beyond repair. |
Marknow 27.07.2012 18:47 |
I feel violated!!!! :-( |
people on streets 27.07.2012 19:05 |
You win some, you lose some That's life. |
Marknow 27.07.2012 19:43 |
people on streets wrote: You win some, you lose some That's life. Indeed. |
DeacyEasy 21.08.2013 18:17 |
Soy de Venezuela, y vivo cerca de la Biblioteca Nacional (donde esta ese material) y parece están restaurando los máster tapes (U-matic) de el concierto, lo se porqué he visto las cintas y... posiblemente tengan una grabación del tablero de mezclas, eso es todo lo que se. I'm from Venezuela, and i live near from the "Biblioteca Nacional" (Where's reside the tapes) and is probably, the master tapes (U-matic) will be restored (i know because, i been watch the tapes) and... they probably have a soundboard record, but, this is all i know. (Sorry for my english beaner) |
The Real Wizard 21.08.2013 18:47 |
Interesting info. For what purpose are they restoring them? |
JackTorrance 23.02.2014 11:36 |
DeacyEasy wrote: Soy de Venezuela, y vivo cerca de la Biblioteca Nacional (donde esta ese material) y parece están restaurando los máster tapes (U-matic) de el concierto, lo se porqué he visto las cintas y... posiblemente tengan una grabación del tablero de mezclas, eso es todo lo que se. I'm from Venezuela, and i live near from the "Biblioteca Nacional" (Where's reside the tapes) and is probably, the master tapes (U-matic) will be restored (i know because, i been watch the tapes) and... they probably have a soundboard record, but, this is all i know. (Sorry for my english beaner)Any news on this? Could you be more specific? |
Ale Solan 24.02.2014 23:13 |
JackTorrance wrote:Forget about it, it's been almost a year.DeacyEasy wrote: Soy de Venezuela, y vivo cerca de la Biblioteca Nacional (donde esta ese material) y parece están restaurando los máster tapes (U-matic) de el concierto, lo se porqué he visto las cintas y... posiblemente tengan una grabación del tablero de mezclas, eso es todo lo que se. I'm from Venezuela, and i live near from the "Biblioteca Nacional" (Where's reside the tapes) and is probably, the master tapes (U-matic) will be restored (i know because, i been watch the tapes) and... they probably have a soundboard record, but, this is all i know. (Sorry for my english beaner)Any news on this? Could you be more specific? |
JackTorrance 26.02.2014 03:31 |
Ale Solan wrote:Ok, thanks! I love this concert btw.JackTorrance wrote:Forget about it, it's been almost a year.DeacyEasy wrote: Soy de Venezuela, y vivo cerca de la Biblioteca Nacional (donde esta ese material) y parece están restaurando los máster tapes (U-matic) de el concierto, lo se porqué he visto las cintas y... posiblemente tengan una grabación del tablero de mezclas, eso es todo lo que se. I'm from Venezuela, and i live near from the "Biblioteca Nacional" (Where's reside the tapes) and is probably, the master tapes (U-matic) will be restored (i know because, i been watch the tapes) and... they probably have a soundboard record, but, this is all i know. (Sorry for my english beaner)Any news on this? Could you be more specific? I like the way it was filmed too, lots of close-ups, filmed at the front of the stage, you feel part of the audience watching this video. We have never seen or heard anything 'official' from this concert, is it? |
Marknow 26.02.2014 09:17 |
@ Jack Yeah, I really love the video from this show very well shot in my humble opinion with great energy in the performance, shame the only available sources seem to be vcd sourced. There is a better version out there somewhere, that's for sure. Still looking for it though, no leads. |
Mkls 27.02.2014 09:22 |
link if anyone checks the online catalogue of the venezuelan national library (took 5 mins) , you will find that they have the 1 hour TV special on video for local loan. So I can easily imagine the source for both of the concert and the tv special is the national library. I did not found the concert itself, so it is even likely that some people asked for a new transfer to be made from the libraries umatic master tapes (not necessarily the actual TV master tapes of course), because the initial transfer as we all know is a crappy conversion in term of colours. So some local contacts should be able to check if the conversion is ready and a vhs / dvd is available for rent. Talking about venezuela, I guess for 50 USD they even sell the master tapes... :-> anyone planning a tourist trip there? :> |
pittrek 27.02.2014 10:53 |
Mark. wrote: @ Jack Yeah, I really love the video from this show very well shot in my humble opinion with great energy in the performance, shame the only available sources seem to be vcd sourced. There is a better version out there somewhere, that's for sure. Still looking for it though, no leads.The DVD I shared here some time ago was VHS sourced |
Marknow 27.02.2014 11:35 |
pittrek wrote:Mark. wrote: @ Jack Yeah, I really love the video from this show very well shot in my humble opinion with great energy in the performance, shame the only available sources seem to be vcd sourced. There is a better version out there somewhere, that's for sure. Still looking for it though, no leads.The DVD I shared here some time ago was VHS sourced My apologies I forgot all about your share. I should also have said betamax rather than vcd in my comment above. Do you know if the VHS supplied to you was a transfer from the known betamax source? From what I have been led to believe the poor quality is the result of a not so perfect transfer from betamax to vhs. I'm dying to see a decent copy of this show!!!! :) |
JackTorrance 28.02.2014 05:10 |
The master tape is U-matic > tv broadcast(Betamax) > VHS > digitalized (DVD5) It looks to me that the VHS was filmed from a TV-screen, that's perhaps why the colors are so dark and the sound looks like it's coming from a telephone. Yeah, it's about time they release this concert. Hope they also have multi-track audio tapes: so they can put the audience noise higher in the mix. But that is unlikely I think. |
Mkls 28.02.2014 11:44 |
JackTorrance wrote: The master tape is U-matic > tv broadcast(Betamax) > VHS > digitalized (DVD5) .i dont the know the lineage but this is cannot be right At that time in 1981 it must be umatic or some 1" video tape -> unknown final cut for umatic (unless it was cut live which i doubt) -> umatic transfer/betamax transfer for the library as final cut . no tv broadcast there or tv screen recording; the crappy colours are due to some limited colour depth conversion, ie colours reduced to 256 or 64 or similar, 8bit or lower as for the dark colours, soundcheck is also very dark and its properly converted, probably the camera equipment was not sensitive enough (1981 south america....) edit: the superior beta sp was not released until 1982. so probably umatic was the original recording format. edit2: looking at the footage again, it might have been edited live then the video mix was recorded on to umatic or some 1" format and a umatic copy was given to library; just my theory |
tassilo 02.03.2014 13:56 |
Thanks. |
. 30.12.2016 10:08 |
Mkls wrote: I did not found the concert itself, so it is even likely that some people asked for a new transfer to be made from the libraries umatic master tapes (not necessarily the actual TV master tapes of course), because the initial transfer as we all know is a crappy conversion in term of colours. So some local contacts should be able to check if the conversion is ready and a vhs / dvd is available for rent.Anyone have an update on this? |