on my way up 11.07.2012 08:39 |
Administrator wrote on Queenonline forum: "Of our main product releases this year, you now have all the info for the September ones, I see Barcelona as the main release and the book and DVD off shoots as it were, but I can see why people thought otherwise. OK, you know that Budapest is coming too (the cinema release is part of the promo will come with a PR next week about the viewings, but not product info)" I find the following bit intriguing: "the cinema release is part of the promo" Could it be that the Cinema edit is just the old VHS edit while the eventual Blu Ray release will be a new edit with the bits cut out of the original edit now included?? I really hope so. Budapest '86 is a mind-blowing show and complete in high definition it would be - imho of course - one of the very best concert films ever. |
conejo29 11.07.2012 09:20 |
Amen |
David Jones 11.07.2012 13:08 |
No, to me that reads that they're going to announce it is hitting the cinemas but no details yet about a take home release. I wonder if it's going to be in 3D? I hope there is a home release and it's not like Hammersmith, never to be heard of again. As for a full version, we'll have to see. I'm not holding my breath that it exists. |
fr1986 11.07.2012 15:56 |
i give a fuck if its in 3d or not. i am just settled with the uncut show. |
Marknow 11.07.2012 16:07 |
No news yet on BD/DVD :( |
Gaabiizz 12.07.2012 08:51 |
3d would be orgasmic! |
pittrek 12.07.2012 09:40 |
Really ? Am I really the only one who thinks that 3D is a big leap backwards ? |
tero! 48531 12.07.2012 10:28 |
pittrek wrote: Really ? Am I really the only one who thinks that 3D is a big leap backwards ?No your not. The last thing I need watching a movie are the darker and blurrier image and ridiculous glasses weighing on my face... |
Wiley 12.07.2012 13:14 |
Well, you can always disable the 3D image and watch the regular show in HD. I see no harm done in adding the 3D component. |
joesilvey 12.07.2012 14:12 |
also agree... no idea why 3D is popular again, and it definitely has NO place on a classic Queen concert film...
tero! 48531 wrote:pittrek wrote: Really ? Am I really the only one who thinks that 3D is a big leap backwards ?No your not. The last thing I need watching a movie are the darker and blurrier image and ridiculous glasses weighing on my face... |
mooghead 12.07.2012 14:24 |
I wont buy this.. the Budapest gig looked and sounded awful on VHS, plus the Magic Tour is bordering on boring now.... |
drmurph 12.07.2012 14:50 |
Inevitably I will buy it. I have the VHS and it's great to watch Queen perform in the dark and with Freddie in good form. I look forward to (hopefully) improved visuals, audio and an outside chance of more live footage. If they're showing the old version at the cinemas then I don't think they have recut the concert or they'd probably show the new version. |
MadTheSwine73 12.07.2012 17:42 |
pittrek wrote: Really ? Am I really the only one who thinks that 3D is a big leap backwards ?I'm not really a big fan of paying an extra 3$ for the glasses, on top of paying 10 (or 8) dollars for the movie. So no, you're not. |
chromant 12.07.2012 18:21 |
Noooooo, please don't let them ruin also Live In Budapest...wasn't Greatest Video Hits enough? |
popy 12.07.2012 19:46 |
Wiley wrote: Well, you can always disable the 3D image and watch the regular show in HD. I see no harm done in adding the 3D component.Well, people are talking about the cinema release, and the press release that's coming out next week. In the cinema you can't turn off 3D. Unless they show on cinemas a 2D and a 3D version. But from the press release from Sony/More2screen link there's not a single word about a 3D version. |
99jaystang 13.07.2012 00:59 |
Just hope to god they correct the speed of the film to the original sound. And Queen production had access to the original film stock and not just a copy. (fingers crossed). |
pittrek 13.07.2012 01:18 |
In the case they fix the speed I'm buying it no matter which cut it will be. In the case they will NOT fix the speed (which is highly probable since they didn't fix the speed on e.g. the Japan 75 footage), I will complain, complain, complain, complain, complain, then buy it anyway and fix the speed myself :-) |
the dude 1366 13.07.2012 01:46 |
Ir seems that the Budapest show was shot on film...exactly when bluray shines |
pittrek 13.07.2012 01:48 |
the dude 1366 wrote: Ir seems that the Budapest show was shot on film...exactly when bluray shinesYes it was. That's the reason why the PAL video releases run too fast |
thomasquinn 32989 13.07.2012 05:25 |
Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit... |
tcc 13.07.2012 07:27 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit... Don't forget they still owe us the 1986 Knebworth concert ! This is the only tour which they made money and they are still making from it. |
KevoM 13.07.2012 10:52 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! What's not to like? (They can keeo the gimmicky, tacky 3D though) |
KevoM 13.07.2012 10:55 |
pittrek wrote: Really ? Am I really the only one who thinks that 3D is a big leap backwards ?Defo NOT. I hate 3D. Very gimmicky and over-priced at the cinmema. Hopefully the novelty will wear off. I'm all for 4k digital cinema though. THAT would get me back in the cinema again |
thomasquinn 32989 13.07.2012 15:19 |
KevoM wrote:Granted, it's a fairly good concert for the Magic Tour, but that particular tour is nothing special. There are some great late '70s concerts that were recorded and could be released, for instance Hammersmith '79.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! What's not to like? (They can keeo the gimmicky, tacky 3D though) |
Hangman_96 13.07.2012 18:34 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Why only late 70's? The 1974-76 era was great as well. Rainbow 1974 is a good example.KevoM wrote:Granted, it's a fairly good concert for the Magic Tour, but that particular tour is nothing special. There are some great late '70s concerts that were recorded and could be released, for instance Hammersmith '79.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! What's not to like? (They can keeo the gimmicky, tacky 3D though) |
MERQRY 13.07.2012 21:46 |
Lostman wrote:Maybe cause Queen wanna be more near as they can of 80's...thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Why only late 70's? The 1974-76 era was great as well. Rainbow 1974 is a good example.KevoM wrote:Granted, it's a fairly good concert for the Magic Tour, but that particular tour is nothing special. There are some great late '70s concerts that were recorded and could be released, for instance Hammersmith '79.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! What's not to like? (They can keeo the gimmicky, tacky 3D though) |
thomasquinn 32989 15.07.2012 07:30 |
Lostman wrote:Because there are very few concerts from that period from which they have complete audio and video in decent quality. The best thing I am 100% sure they have is the complete Hammersmith '79 concert. I think it sucks to get Budapest '86 when they could've released Hammersmith '79.thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Why only late 70's? The 1974-76 era was great as well. Rainbow 1974 is a good example.KevoM wrote:Granted, it's a fairly good concert for the Magic Tour, but that particular tour is nothing special. There are some great late '70s concerts that were recorded and could be released, for instance Hammersmith '79.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! What's not to like? (They can keeo the gimmicky, tacky 3D though) |
thomasquinn 32989 15.07.2012 07:32 |
KevoM wrote:SHIT recorded on film, carefully digitized and transferred to Blu-Ray is still SHIT...only shit in HD. Hammersmith '79 was shot on film - I'd much rather have that than Wembley 2.0.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! |
pittrek 15.07.2012 07:39 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:KevoM wrote:SHIT recorded on film, carefully digitized and transferred to Blu-Ray is still SHIT...only shit in HD. Hammersmith '79 was shot on film - I'd much rather have that than Wembley 2.0.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! No it wasn't. It's filmed on video. Queen concerts shot on film Rainbow 74 - March show Hyde Park 76 - pre-concert footage Berlin 78 Munich 78 Brussels 79 Rotterdam 79 Munich 79 Vienna 82 Mannheim 86 - DoRo footage Wembley 86 - afterparty Budapest 86 Knebworth Park 86 - DoRo footage |
KevoM 15.07.2012 10:48 |
pittrek wrote:You missed the obvious one....Montreal 81thomasquinn 32989 wrote:No it wasn't. It's filmed on video.Queen concerts shot on filmRainbow 74 - March showHyde Park 76 - pre-concert footageBerlin 78Munich 78Brussels 79Rotterdam 79Munich 79Vienna 82Mannheim 86 - DoRo footageWembley 86 - afterpartyBudapest 86Knebworth Park 86 - DoRo footageKevoM wrote:SHIT recorded on film, carefully digitized and transferred to Blu-Ray is still SHIT...only shit in HD. Hammersmith '79 was shot on film - I'd much rather have that than Wembley 2.0.thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! |
MERQRY 16.07.2012 00:27 |
KevoM wrote:I know from a relative good source that there is or there were footage (i don't know how much) from one of the gigs in Argentina shot on 16 mm... but the buenos aires gig that we already know (3-1) was shot on U-matic (video)...pittrek wrote:You missed the obvious one....Montreal 81thomasquinn 32989 wrote:No it wasn't. It's filmed on video.Queen concerts shot on filmRainbow 74 - March showHyde Park 76 - pre-concert footageBerlin 78Munich 78Brussels 79Rotterdam 79Munich 79Vienna 82Mannheim 86 - DoRo footageWembley 86 - afterpartyBudapest 86Knebworth Park 86 - DoRo footageKevoM wrote:SHIT recorded on film, carefully digitized and transferred to Blu-Ray is still SHIT...only shit in HD. Hammersmith '79 was shot on film - I'd much rather have that than Wembley 2.0.thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Just what we need, more Magic Tour shit...You just don't get it do you? An expertly filmed Queen concert on FILM restored transferred to BLU RAY ! |
oliverd05 16.07.2012 08:56 |
Yeahh im undecided wether im excited for this or not, i think i am tbh although i agree with Pittrek about the speed issues hope this is shown in the UK |
The Real Wizard 16.07.2012 10:32 |
pittrek wrote: Queen concerts shot on film Rainbow 74 - March show Hyde Park 76 - pre-concert footage Berlin 78 Munich 78 Brussels 79 Rotterdam 79 Munich 79 Vienna 82 Mannheim 86 - DoRo footage Wembley 86 - afterparty Budapest 86 Knebworth Park 86 - DoRo footageAre you 100% sure? I thought Rainbow, Montreal and Budapest were the only shows shot on film, and the rest were video... How do we determine which is which? |
pittrek 16.07.2012 10:59 |
Eyes :-) Material shot on film has completely different "look", it gives you the feeling of detail even in low (DVD or worse) resolutions, and have film grain which gives the footage a sense of "threedimensionality". Also the motion is different. Material shot on video has a much more "cleaner", "washed-out", or "flat" look, it has no grain but it can have other "defects" - not sure how are they called officially, but for example look what happens when the video camera comes too close to Brian at Hammersmith Odeon 75 or Hyde Park 76, check what happens with the image. Or the typical chroma problems. BTW this is definitely NOT contradicting previous information, because the 78-82 footage was all shot by local TV stations. |
pittrek 16.07.2012 11:01 |
And I see that I forgot in my list also the Poitiers 79 TV report and of course the Bob Harris footage from 1977 (with that amazing "audience view" from Houston 77) |
DLCVinnuendo 16.07.2012 11:34 |
another magic tour show oficially released, another freddie mostauche show, i will buy the blu ray, but it's for 70's releases don't lose the time QP |
The Real Wizard 16.07.2012 11:35 |
Assuming you're right (no doubt you are), let's remember Brian's quote from a few years back... something to the effect of: "Rainbow, Montreal and Budapest are the only shows we shot on film." The operative word is "we".. The rest of the footage you mention was not shot by the band. Like you said, it was mostly shot by TV crews. I wonder how much of that footage Brian even remembers. Either way, technically he's still right :-) |
MERQRY 16.07.2012 12:48 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Assuming you're right (no doubt you are), let's remember Brian's quote from a few years back... something to the effect of: "Rainbow, Montreal and Budapest are the only shows we shot on film." The operative word is "we".. The rest of the footage you mention was not shot by the band. Like you said, it was mostly shot by TV crews. I wonder how much of that footage Brian even remembers. Either way, technically he's still right :-)I understand Rainbow wasn't shot on film (GT said 1" or 2" tape i don't remember) but STORED on film (probably to release in cinemas). |
Bad Seed 16.07.2012 14:24 |
The Japan 75 footage shown at the stormtroopers exhibition is also film. |
GinjaNinja 16.07.2012 14:25 |
GT said 2" videotape. :) |
pittrek 16.07.2012 14:40 |
Bad Seed wrote: The Japan 75 footage shown at the stormtroopers exhibition is also film. Definitely. However it was transferred to PAL video years ago (in the 70s or 80s) and I am afraid that's all they have. That would explain why they used the PAL video copy even for their NTSC DVD release |
Bad Seed 16.07.2012 14:56 |
I'm pretty sure. Have a look at the 'killer queen' documentary which came out about 8ish years ago, there are a few seconds on that which clearly look like film to me. |
KevoM 16.07.2012 18:21 |
The trad 'film look' is mainly due to the 24fps as opposed to 25 or 30 fps that you get on electronic video/TV. The 24fps has been the film standard since the talkies era of film to maximize the least amount of film used to fit this new sound on and still get fluid(ish) motion. However 24fps days are coming to an end, thankfully! as it just doesn't cut it (no pun) with today's fast motion, fast edit 3D/4k digital films. Enter 48fps (and higher) currently being pioneered by the likes of Jackson and Cameron et al...BUT is is said to be undistinguishable from the 'TV look' and the new films have been criticised that they look like they were made for TV. Never the less it will be the norm and 24fps will once again be used as for economy purposes (as it originally was) for smaller file sizes in streaming video. |
Montreux 16.07.2012 18:56 |
pittrek wrote: Eyes :-) Material shot on film has completely different "look", it gives you the feeling of detail even in low (DVD or worse) resolutions, and have film grain which gives the footage a sense of "threedimensionality". Also the motion is different. Material shot on video has a much more "cleaner", "washed-out", or "flat" look, it has no grain but it can have other "defects" - not sure how are they called officially, but for example look what happens when the video camera comes too close to Brian at Hammersmith Odeon 75 or Hyde Park 76, check what happens with the image. Or the typical chroma problems. BTW this is definitely NOT contradicting previous information, because the 78-82 footage was all shot by local TV stations.Peter, just a little update, what film material (= concerts) does Queen own. "It’s one (Montreal) of only three concerts of Queen captured on FILM rather than crappy non-hi-res digital – they are: Live at the Rainbow in 1974, this concert, and Budapest in 1986 – which will be a future project – and will be sensational." (Brian's Soapbox, 16th October 2007) |
on my way up 17.07.2012 08:24 |
Well, the cinema press release is now up. Now it's time to enjoy the film in the cinema. I'm still hoping the eventual DVD/blu ray will be the complete uncut concert... (maybe I'm just being naive but there's no life when there's no hope) |
Mkls 17.07.2012 15:14 |
on my way up wrote: Well, the cinema press release is now up. Now it's time to enjoy the film in the cinema. I'm still hoping the eventual DVD/blu ray will be the complete uncut concert... (maybe I'm just being naive but there's no life when there's no hope) |
Toozeup 17.07.2012 17:15 |
The Blu-Ray will not have any speed issues since it will run at 24fps. If a Pal DVD is released, it will of course run faster but they will probably pitch correct it like they did with montreal. You're best bet is to buy a blu-ray player and do away with the issue altogether. |
Marknow 17.07.2012 17:43 |
Miklos wrote:on my way up wrote: Well, the cinema press release is now up. Now it's time to enjoy the film in the cinema. I'm still hoping the eventual DVD/blu ray will be the complete uncut concert... (maybe I'm just being naive but there's no life when there's no hope)very unlikely... :( |
. 18.07.2012 15:08 |
So is it 16:9 or 4:3? |
Mkls 18.07.2012 15:31 |
I also wondered, some films experts told me it was shot as "soft matt" - 4:3, so the full picture is like the VHS release and in that case any 16:9 means its butchered?? i am not expert on these.. |
jarfath 19.07.2012 08:41 |
@ Miklos. There is explanation about video formatting on this site link |