radiogugu 10.07.2012 20:29 |
link Just watch him BUTCHER the show must go on. Guy is absolutely god awful. Where is the emotion? Off key in every song, with his goat-like vibrato that is annoying as hell to listen to. Oversinging his off key notes every second of the song and screaming to even reach a note. He is terrible for queen. I am sick and tired of you Glamteeniefans flooding queen forums, as if you were even a fan of queen before their appearance in American Idol and Glambert joining them. You don't know shit about Queen, Adam is a terrible fit. Actually, everyone is a terribel fit for queen because Freddie can't be replaced. But Adam is especially bad and you spamming queen forums is not going to change our minds no matter how hard you keep trying! |
YAFF 10.07.2012 20:59 |
radiogugu wrote: link Just watch him BUTCHER the show must go on. Guy is absolutely god awful. Where is the emotion? Off key in every song, with his goat-like vibrato that is annoying as hell to listen to. Oversinging his off key notes every second of the song and screaming to even reach a note. He is terrible for queen.Brian May & Roger Taylor have been terrible for "Queen" for going on 17 years now. Should we be surprised? The only one outside of the online cult that people have respect for these days is Freddie Mercury...and perhaps John Deacon if they even know who he is. |
GratefulFan 10.07.2012 21:12 |
radiogugu wrote: linkHa ha. Screen cap when I watched the video: link |
radiogugu 10.07.2012 21:53 |
^ LMAO! |
Daniel Nester 10.07.2012 23:46 |
Can you even hear him that clearly in this video? Lots of Ruskies singing along. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 00:37 |
YAFF wrote:Well, this is just your opinion. I thought he did a great job. Only heard only one off key note at the end. Heard a lot of off key singing from the audience. He is not oversinging in my opinion. That is his style. And I am 53 and very familiar with Queen music. Adam is not Freddie. Adam is Adam. You just dont like him. I do. Doesnt mean he is terrible, just that you think he is.radiogugu wrote: link Just watch him BUTCHER the show must go on. Guy is absolutely god awful. Where is the emotion? Off key in every song, with his goat-like vibrato that is annoying as hell to listen to. Oversinging his off key notes every second of the song and screaming to even reach a note. He is terrible for queen.Brian May & Roger Taylor have been terrible for "Queen" for going on 17 years now. Should we be surprised? The only one outside of the online cult that people have respect for these days is Freddie Mercury...and perhaps John Deacon if they even know who he is. |
radiogugu 11.07.2012 00:40 |
someonewholikesadam wrote:Keep you ears checked. He was flat the entire songYAFF wrote:Well, this is just your opinion. I thought he did a great job. Only heard only one off key note at the end. Heard a lot of off key singing from the audience. He is not oversinging in my opinion. That is his style. And I am 53 and very familiar with Queen music. Adam is not Freddie. Adam is Adam. You just dont like him. I do. Doesnt mean he is terrible, just that you think he is.radiogugu wrote: link Just watch him BUTCHER the show must go on. Guy is absolutely god awful. Where is the emotion? Off key in every song, with his goat-like vibrato that is annoying as hell to listen to. Oversinging his off key notes every second of the song and screaming to even reach a note. He is terrible for queen.Brian May & Roger Taylor have been terrible for "Queen" for going on 17 years now. Should we be surprised? The only one outside of the online cult that people have respect for these days is Freddie Mercury...and perhaps John Deacon if they even know who he is. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 01:03 |
Well, I still liked what I heard. Maybe I am just blinded by his beauty and charisma. |
pittrek 11.07.2012 01:05 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Well, I still liked what I heard. Maybe I am just blinded by his beauty and charisma.His WHAT ? |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 01:41 |
You heard me. His beauty, charisma, completely ridiculous over-the-top stage presence and, yes, fantastic rock vocals. Still trying to get Grateful Fan to like the fruitcake! Check out this video on YouTube: link |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 02:00 |
Pittrek and Others, you can have your boring, old Marc Martel. I'll take this glorious, ridiculous fruitcake ANY day! link |
radiogugu 11.07.2012 03:48 |
^ And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the common Adam LAmbert fan |
croatiafan 11.07.2012 04:34 |
If it came down to Adam Lambert, or no more Brian May, and Roger Taylor as Queen? I'd have to say thanks for the memories guys. Adam is terrible but I don't care about him,I'm just so disappointed with Brian and Roger! |
shamar 11.07.2012 04:53 |
pittrek wrote:someonewholikesadam wrote: Well, I still liked what I heard. Maybe I am just blinded by his beauty and charisma.His WHAT ? beauty and charisma. That's probably name of some make-up products. |
Montreux 11.07.2012 05:26 |
Personally for me that's most terrible Queen + project ever! |
Montreux 11.07.2012 05:30 |
Fans of Lambert still talk about his "great vibrato"... Sorry, but when I listen to his singing, I get a feeling he actually uses vibrator... |
Montreux 11.07.2012 05:31 |
The worse interpretations of Queen songs were just by Tandy (The 46664 Concert, 2003), by Five (Party In The Park 2000) and by drunk Zucchero (Pavarotti and Friends 2003). |
croatiafan 11.07.2012 05:39 |
Montreux wrote: Sorry, but when I listen to his singing, I get a feeling he actually uses vibrator...LOL |
princetom 11.07.2012 06:13 |
i think he's doing quite a good job. his voice imho. suits better than paul's ever did. i can understand all the moaners out here for accepting nobody at all interpreting freddie's (and queen's) legacy. no fred, no john= no queen. understood. but it's great to see the other guys doing their stuff in a nice kind of way - and having fun playing their music! . new treatments of some songs and a singer who is quite able to sing most of the catalogue. what's to wish for ? maybe some renditions of song's that haven't been played before. sure. i cannot stand your complains... if you don't like it, just don't listen to it. bottom line. |
princetom 11.07.2012 06:14 |
- double post. sorry :-) |
radiogugu 11.07.2012 06:24 |
My god listen to this This motherf***r needs to be thrown off the stage link |
Midwinter 11.07.2012 06:36 |
I never liked the collaboration with Paul Rodgers, too old-daddy-blues-"ooh baby gimme your love baby" style for me. I quite appreciate Adam's work with Brian and Roger, sounds much rawer and powerful. |
pittrek 11.07.2012 06:53 |
Montreux wrote: The worse interpretations of Queen songs were just by Tandy (The 46664 Concert, 2003), by Five (Party In The Park 2000) and by drunk Zucchero (Pavarotti and Friends 2003).Tandy, Tandy ... was it the girl who used to repeat oh I'm falling in love for the whole song ? |
tomchristie22 11.07.2012 06:53 |
*sigh*. Yes, most people here agree that Adam's not great, if just not suited to the vocal style necessary to make Queen songs 'work'. I'm personally pretty indifferent on the matter. It gets B&R off their asses and playing awesome music so I'm not complaining. But those who agree with you have already decided this for themselves, and probably want it shoved in their faces just as little as anyone else here. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 06:55 |
shamar wrote:One of the funniest posts yet.pittrek wrote:beauty and charisma. That's probably name of some make-up products.someonewholikesadam wrote:Well, I still liked what I heard. Maybe I am just blinded by his beauty and charisma.His WHAT ? |
pittrek 11.07.2012 06:58 |
princetom wrote: i think he's doing quite a good job. his voice imho. suits better than paul's ever did. i can understand all the moaners out here for accepting nobody at all interpreting freddie's (and queen's) legacy. no fred, no john= no queen. understood. but it's great to see the other guys doing their stuff in a nice kind of way - and having fun playing their music! . new treatments of some songs and a singer who is quite able to sing most of the catalogue. what's to wish for ? maybe some renditions of song's that haven't been played before. sure. i cannot stand your complains... if you don't like it, just don't listen to it. bottom line.I just can't agree with this. For example I am VERY open-minded about Brian and Roger collaborating with other musicians. I enjoyed very much their work with Five, Robbie Williams, and Paul Rodgers. However I couldn't stand some other "collaboration projects" - mainly remixes. Also I don't know what to think about this new band, I have heard just 2 concerts with him and I think the first one Adam was terrible, and on the other one he was sub-average. And the main problem with this project for me (except the vocals) is that the band plays TOO SLOW :-( |
pittrek 11.07.2012 07:01 |
Midwinter wrote: I never liked the collaboration with Paul Rodgers, too old-daddy-blues-"ooh baby gimme your love baby" style for me. I quite appreciate Adam's work with Brian and Roger, sounds much rawer and powerful.You forgot "Hit me with your heart and sooooul". I actually loved it :-) |
radiogugu 11.07.2012 07:08 |
The ONLY person I could even listen to perform with brian and roger is George Michael. He did wonderful at Freddie Tribute concert and actually was friends with Freddie, so it would be more respectful. |
tomchristie22 11.07.2012 07:27 |
I don't see how the person being a friend of Freddie's makes his performance any more or less valid. Basically you're disregarding Bowie, Elton, Ian Hunter, Roger Daltrey, and everyone else who was good at the Concert For Life, not to mention every other good collaboration they've ever done. |
Senna 11.07.2012 07:51 |
George Michael....from the person who first stated some people no shit about Queen. you've blown your argument apart. |
Montreux 11.07.2012 08:15 |
pittrek wrote:Oh, yeah! :-)Montreux wrote: The worse interpretations of Queen songs were just by Tandy (The 46664 Concert, 2003), by Five (Party In The Park 2000) and by drunk Zucchero (Pavarotti and Friends 2003).Tandy, Tandy ... was it the girl who used to repeat oh I'm falling in love for the whole song ? |
cacatua 11.07.2012 09:38 |
princetom said: think he's doing quite a good job. his voice imho. suits better than paul's ever did. i can understand all the moaners out here for accepting nobody at all interpreting freddie's (and queen's) legacy. no fred, no john= no queen. understood. but it's great to see the other guys doing their stuff in a nice kind of way - and having fun playing their music! . new treatments of some songs and a singer who is quite able to sing most of the catalogue. what's to wish for ? maybe some renditions of song's that haven't been played before. sure. i cannot stand your complains... if you don't like it, just don't listen to it. bottom line. I mostly much agree with what you said, but people who inhabit forums like this are not the ones who just don't listen to it, they are the ones who are opinionated and scrappy and will not go quietly. After all you are here reading the posts, and cannot be silent either. If you don't like them then just don't read them! :oD |
Russian Headlong 11.07.2012 10:29 |
paul rodgers was so different to freddie but is a great singer, lambert is just a cunt. |
melina67 11.07.2012 10:35 |
Amen to what someonewholikesAdam said. Audio from gigs can be very deceptive. I have heard him perform live many times...flawlessly. Unless you have heard the guy perform Live, you know not of what you speak. : ) |
Rubbersuit 11.07.2012 10:56 |
I listened to most of the TV broadcast and Adam was flat and off-key the whole show. He uses his vibratto to hover around the right note, then land on it. A great singer can hit the note without using that technique. Add to that his annoying over-reaching of high notes and it's pretty much unlistenable. His "I'm a rock star - growl" serious look is pretty funny but it is good to see a flamboyant frontman with Queen. Too bad the voice is such a terrible, terrible match for Queen - on what was otherwise a great show. I love the stage design (mini pizza oven!), the setlist and I'm really happy about Rufus joining the band. |
Rubbersuit 11.07.2012 11:08 |
melina67 wrote: Amen to what someonewholikesAdam said. Audio from gigs can be very deceptive. I have heard him perform live many times...flawlessly. Unless you have heard the guy perform Live, you know not of what you speak. : )That's absolutely ridiculous. In fact, recorded audio from gigs is a "better" gauge of individual performance than attending in person. When you are live in the audience, you have distraction factors like the acoustics, extreme volume, placement of the speakers compared to your location, fans singing along and your enthusiasm often makes bands and singers seem better than they are. It's sometimes interesting to listen to a performance recording after attending the show to get another view of the performance. |
Rubbersuit 11.07.2012 11:11 |
radiogugu wrote: The ONLY person I could even listen to perform with brian and roger is George Michael. He did wonderful at Freddie Tribute concert and actually was friends with Freddie, so it would be more respectful.George Michael owned the day, but let's face it, that was 20 years ago. I don't know that he could still do it today. If I'm reaching back to grab a new singer, I'm taking Gary Cherone. Extreme is still together and I bet he still has the pipes. |
horse feathers 11.07.2012 11:24 |
Good shout, Rubbersuit. Gary Cherone would be fantastic, not the best singer in the world by a long way, but a guy who loves Queen and would do a great job in my opinion. The medley at the Freddie tribute, was fantastic. Glambert has no emotion or feeling in his voice, whatsoever. He may be able to hit all the notes, but him getting there just sounds awful. If Brian and Roger wanted to pull this off, may I suggest they use Autotune and turn the ignore vibrato button on. Then at least it may be listenable. But for me, the guy is a joke. Also how people can slag off Paul Rodgers is beyond me, IMO, he has the best live voice I have ever heard. |
horse feathers 11.07.2012 11:29 |
P.S. Great point well put, Russian Headlong, haha. I couldn't agree more. |
Matias Merçeauroix 11.07.2012 15:20 |
Paul Rodgers is aids. |
Compliance Queen1 11.07.2012 15:33 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Pittrek and Others, you can have your boring, old Marc Martel. I'll take this glorious, ridiculous fruitcake ANY day! linkI don't think Marc Martel is boring, he has class and made those concerts great as did JSS and Yvan. |
Compliance Queen1 11.07.2012 15:42 |
jazzy mercurois wrote: Paul Rodgers is aids.What the heck do you mean by that?? BTW Paul Rodgers is one of the best rock voices ever and still alive today after being in the business almost 45 years. I can't stand Lambert looks, voice, etc. I would still be at the show tonight to see brian and roger..it won't be long until they stop performing and then we will only have the the much awaited box sets and other recordings that people want vs seeing Brian or Roger play live whether it be for Queen, solo, or one offs is beyond me...it's only my opinion. |
Marcos Napier 11.07.2012 16:18 |
Montreux wrote: Fans of Lambert still talk about his "great vibrato"... Sorry, but when I listen to his singing, I get a feeling he actually uses vibrator...or that he forgets to turn it off before going to main stage every fucking time. *ducks and covers* Even Youtube is sending us a hidden message that it's bullshit. It's not even interesting as a curiosity anymore. Enough of this Queen + crap, please. In the first time(s) it happened, people were worried that it could be the last chance to see Brian and Roger performing these songs (one of the biggest excuses I've seen to support it, I guess)... it was proven that it's not and won't be. If they can, they will still be finding replacements to continue with this Queen + franchise. Soon they will have their own reality show to pick up a new singer (oooops... wait a minute... nevermind) |
Missreclusive 11.07.2012 20:00 |
Compliance Queen1 wrote:Couldn't agree with you more. Marc Martel has more class in his lil finger than Adam Lambert could ever have and he can actually sing without sounding like a stressed goat! Oh my, is this really me? I don't normally sling mud however, I'm so so sick of Lambert and the fans who know so little of what Queen was about. Like I said, they probably never hear much beyond WATC, WWRY, ABTD or BoRhap.someonewholikesadam wrote: Pittrek and Others, you can have your boring, old Marc Martel. I'll take this glorious, ridiculous fruitcake ANY day! linkI don't think Marc Martel is boring, he has class and made those concerts great as did JSS and Yvan. |
Mr. Bed Guy 12.07.2012 07:15 |
I'm so glad living in Germany. No one here heard or knows about the tour dates in Sibiria/UK this summer. No one even knows Adam Lambert ("Adam Lambert? Isn't he the right defender of Exeter City????") But it's so sad knowing they're still going on killing the name and reputation of Queen.... |
madmetaltom 12.07.2012 09:06 |
I wonder what john deacon thinks about all of this! lol |
Russian Headlong 12.07.2012 14:36 |
jazzy mercois hates rodgers, hes probably lamberts boyfriend. Paul rogers is a class act, sounds nothing fred never tried to but has a brilliant voice. |
Missreclusive 12.07.2012 16:54 |
madmetaltom wrote: I wonder what john deacon thinks about all of this! lolI seriously doubt he thinks much of it. He thought more of Queen imho than the other two, he left. He knows that without Freddie Queen is gone. If he felt like I do about AL, he would probably break his silence and give em hell! lol |
AdamMethos 12.07.2012 19:35 |
Didn't Deacon break his silence for Robbie Williams? So at the very least, he prefers AL over Robbie Williams! |
Matias Merçeauroix 12.07.2012 22:57 |
Compliance Queen1 wrote:No.jazzy mercurois wrote: Paul Rodgers is aids.What the heck do you mean by that?? BTW Paul Rodgers is one of the best rock voices ever and still alive today after being in the business almost 45 years. I can't stand Lambert looks, voice, etc. I would still be at the show tonight to see brian and roger..it won't be long until they stop performing and then we will only have the the much awaited box sets and other recordings that people want vs seeing Brian or Roger play live whether it be for Queen, solo, or one offs is beyond me...it's only my opinion. Aids. |
Marcos Napier 13.07.2012 15:36 |
There seems to be a new trend with bands lately that is to re-record old classic albums. They should re-record Hot Space with Adam. That would be perfect. |
Holly2003 13.07.2012 16:48 |
jazzy mercurois wrote:Compliance Queen1 wrote:No. Aids.jazzy mercurois wrote: Paul Rodgers is aids.What the heck do you mean by that?? BTW Paul Rodgers is one of the best rock voices ever and still alive today after being in the business almost 45 years. I can't stand Lambert looks, voice, etc. I would still be at the show tonight to see brian and roger..it won't be long until they stop performing and then we will only have the the much awaited box sets and other recordings that people want vs seeing Brian or Roger play live whether it be for Queen, solo, or one offs is beyond me...it's only my opinion. Say NO to crack jazzy . |
Matias Merçeauroix 14.07.2012 05:07 |
I say no to Paul Rodgers, worst thing that's ever happened to Queen. Worse than death. |
Holly2003 14.07.2012 05:16 |
jazzy mercurois wrote: I say no to Paul Rodgers, worst thing that's ever happened to Queen. Worse than death. As death may be the gateway to a land populated by angels, decorated with little fluffy clouds, a reunion with long dead relatives and featuring an endless soundtrack of Creed music, that's not much of a criticism. Oh hang on, maybe it is. |
john bodega 14.07.2012 05:30 |
"worst thing that's ever happened to Queen" Wyclif Jean, Axl Rose, 5ive, the Pepsi ad. Those were worse. |
Daniel Nester 14.07.2012 14:59 |
Ditto, Zebonka. |
Erin 14.07.2012 15:42 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "worst thing that's ever happened to Queen" Wyclif Jean, Axl Rose, 5ive, the Pepsi ad. Those were worse.AMEN!! I still haven't recovered from 5ive! |
Nought Space 15.07.2012 07:21 |
"Queen, in my day and in my town, were always the squares' band, the favourite of chemistry students, rugby lads and homophobes. And yet they had the most outrageously camp frontman on the planet." link |
FatBumGirl 16.07.2012 02:31 |
Yawn. |
oliverd05 16.07.2012 10:28 |
yeahh i started out being quite skeptical of Adam Lambert but after hearing the first show back in Kiev i was pleasantly surprised, now after the tour has finished i can say in my opinion it was a well thought out decision by Brian & Roger, as im sure the folks who went to the actual shows can clarify it was a really great show |
FatBumGirl 16.07.2012 11:08 |
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Really John Deacon 16.07.2012 11:26 |
Missreclusive wrote:madmetaltom wrote: I wonder what john deacon thinks about all of this! lolI seriously doubt he thinks much of it. He thought more of Queen imho than the other two, he left. He knows that without Freddie Queen is gone. If he felt like I do about AL, he would probably break his silence and give em hell! lol I have no idea what you're talking about. The checks have been a lot bigger lately, maybe I'll do a "Google Search"... whatever that is. |
SimonFerocious 18.07.2012 05:01 |
Adam Lambert, like most talent show singers, is a screamer. They overdo their vocals to try and outdo their opponents on the show. Freddie could hit the high notes but also be vulnerable on Queen's ballads. Lambert's showmanship also needs work, he didn't really work the crowd or get fired up. He just danced awkwardly beside Brian May at Hammersmith to such an extent that May just walked off to the other side of the stage and left him standing there! (You'd never see him do that to Freddie.) The reality is that Freddie is gone forever. Brian and Roger are in their 60s now, when they're gone, you'll never see them play new shows again. So if they go tour, great! Let's celebrate these unique musicians while they're still around. The firestorm of criticism directed at them now will seem way too harsh, but it'll be too late to take it back then. |
someonewholikesadam 18.07.2012 07:18 |
Adam was a "screamer" before American Idol. His vocal style has nothing to do with being a talent show contestant. And dancing awkwardly and not work the crowd? What show were you watching? Just read the reviews from the people who were there. Be educated before you post. Thank you, GF. I didn't know how to edit. Now as far as that chicken and egg post about which came first, screamers or talent shows, I say hogwash! |
someonewholikesadam 18.07.2012 07:18 |
Reviews |
deleted user 18.07.2012 11:11 |
Can somebody please send a link to this forum to Brian May's website? He seems to be under the delusion that Queen fans are thrilled with this collaboration! |
GratefulFan 18.07.2012 12:05 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Adam was a "screamer" before American Idol. His vocal style has nothing to do with being a talent show contestant. And dancing awkwardly and not work the crowd? What show were you watching? Just read the revives from the people who were there. Be educated before you post.I don't think it's necessarily true that his vocal style has nothing to do with being a talent show contestant, with the caveat that I don't know that it's necessarily not true either. His particular style and the limitations of that style may have narrowed his avenues to wide exposure. So while the talent show didn't create the "screamer", the "screamer" may have created the need for the talent show. And his stage presence isn't for everyone, though many have commented positively as you pointed out. YV also noted his poor use of the stage in her review of Moscow. His habit of reaching out to touch the backs or arms of Brian and Roger has made me roll my eyes since he did it on Idol. He sometimes even appears to be leading them around the stage! Moving or standing, it always manages to come off as condescending to me. To me. So again, is it a lack of 'education' or an insufficient recognition of the range of subjectivity? ps Not sure if you know, but you can edit your posts if you notice typos etc. Or if you come to your senses. Ha ha! But really, the first icon past the post date/time is an edit icon. :) |
GratefulFan 18.07.2012 12:09 |
tigrlily wrote: Can somebody please send a link to this forum to Brian May's website? He seems to be under the delusion that Queen fans are thrilled with this collaboration!Broadly defined, fans probably are thrilled. The unhappy superfans and the diaspora who silently question the fit and the ideology probably are in the minority. |
cacatua 18.07.2012 12:54 |
GratefulFan said: "His habit of reaching out to touch the backs or arms of Brian and Roger has made me roll my eyes since he did it on Idol. He sometimes even appears to be leading them around the stage! Moving or standing, it always manages to come off as condescending to me. To me. So again, is it a lack of 'education' or an insufficient recognition of the range of subjectivity?" And it could not in your estimation be because of a genuine affection shared between them since they first worked together on Idol and even more so now, as Brian has given an indication it may well be? |
GratefulFan 18.07.2012 13:06 |
I have no idea what it is. All I know is that it comes across as condescending, and doesn't work as a stage move. To me. |
someonewholikesadam 18.07.2012 13:25 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Adam was a "screamer" before American Idol. His vocal style has nothing to do with being a talent show contestant. And dancing awkwardly and not work the crowd? What show were you watching? Just read the reviews from the people who were there. Be educated before you post. Thank you, GF. I didn't know how to edit. Now as far as that chicken and egg post about which came first, screamers or talent shows, I say hogwash! |
cacatua 18.07.2012 13:26 |
I do think Adam is inclined to do this, but I've never felt it to be from a lack of respect. I haven't followed him since his first album, because basically I liked him doing classic type songs and he wanted to do something else that I don't much care for. As you know I always wanted him to have a crack at doing Queen material with Brian and Roger, and when his name began to show up in my Brian news then I got interested again for as long as he is doing that. When Adam was on Idol some people would always accuse him of being arrogant, but we never saw that in him, as he always seemed very well-mannered and open to criticism and genuinely helpful to the others on the show which was part of his work ethic that he brought from his theater training. That was part of his appeal. He had been accustomed to being onstage since he was 10 so he had developed a comfort level there that most others then didn't share. Maybe we liked the kid so much that we were blind to something, but I always assumed that was part of his appeal to Brian and Roger as well. |
cacatua 18.07.2012 13:30 |
Lol! Sometimes it feels like we are the 5 blind guys trying to describe an elephant here where AL is concerned! |
Missreclusive 18.07.2012 18:10 |
GratefulFan wrote: |
someonewholikesadam 18.07.2012 19:02 |
Of course I think just the opposite. Adam and Brian have gotten very close from I've read. When Brian looks at Adam on stage I see nothing but pride, love and joy. Adam ALWAYS interacts with whomever is on stage with him. Even on the Idol tour he frequently interacted with even the backup singers. If you see his touching as an act of disrespect or condescending in any way, I say, respectfully of course, that you are delusional. Come on, guys! Is there anything Adam does that you do NOT pick on? Just be glad he isn't humping Brian's guitar. He has been known to do this. These inane comments really get me riled up. Now that I know how to edit my posts, I can keep adding to them. LOL! I guess if any of you have an elderly uncle that you are very fond of you would never show any affection in the form of touching? Ridiculous! |
Missreclusive 18.07.2012 19:24 |
Ok, pointless to you. However, not pointless. If you have an elder Uncle you feel affection for, then hug or touch...fine. How does that even relate to this? Then, to do it over and over in front of thousands of people that you are entertaining? Oh swla, I feel you are a nice person, I haven't a thing against you personally. You will never hear/feel/see what I do. I love QUEEN and this is no longer Queen. I see it all as tampering with the legacy sound and the way it was once presented, for which never needed improvement and in fact, it wont happen. It's sad to me. If Brian and Roger want to come up with new music with AL then go ahead. AL is not a good fit for the sound I have loved so much. I will say it again, I wanted to like AL. I didn't, don't, never will appreciate his music or the way he presents himself. Not entertaining to me. |
Missreclusive 18.07.2012 19:28 |
GratefulFan wrote:Yes, we appear to be in the minority. I think Bri has lost his mind. lol Welp, so much for that. Senility can happen to anyone! I'm not even sure Roger is as thrilled with AL as Brian. Is there any indication of this anywhere?tigrlily wrote: Can somebody please send a link to this forum to Brian May's website? He seems to be under the delusion that Queen fans are thrilled with this collaboration!Broadly defined, fans probably are thrilled. The unhappy superfans and the diaspora who silently question the fit and the ideology probably are in the minority. |
AdamMethos 18.07.2012 20:25 |
Well, Roger seemed to enjoy himself at the concerts! I haven't seen a lot of interviews with Roger, but just going by the ones he's done for QE and Q+AL, it seems like he's not a big talker and plays his cards close to the vest. In the interviews after QE's Idol appearance, Brian did most of the talking. In the interviews for Q+AL, Brian did most of the talking too. On that Russian talk show, it was Brian who gushed about Marc Martel ("gift from the gods") even though QE is Roger's project. When he's interviewed by himself, Roger speaks up more (obviously) but I haven't seen any Q+AL interviews with Roger alone. So I don't think you can read anything into Roger's lack of gushing about AL. |
QueenLing 18.07.2012 22:49 |
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QueenLing 18.07.2012 23:00 |
Freddie flirted and played with the audience. AL just pukes on them. No class. Especially his comment about 'fat asses'. |
Missreclusive 19.07.2012 01:28 |
My thoughts resemble that comment. |
deleted user 19.07.2012 11:03 |
Missreclusive wrote: You will never hear/feel/see what I do. I love QUEEN and this is no longer Queen. I see it all as tampering with the legacy sound and the way it was once presented, for which never needed improvement and in fact, it wont happen. It's sad to me. If Brian and Roger want to come up with new music with AL then go ahead. AL is not a good fit for the sound I have loved so much. I will say it again, I wanted to like AL. I didn't, don't, never will appreciate his music or the way he presents himself. Not entertaining to me.Perfectly put! Because this is definitely not Queen! Perhaps they should call themselves 'Smile + AL'? |
AdamMethos 19.07.2012 11:17 |
QueenLing wrote: Freddie flirted and played with the audience. AL just pukes on them. No class. Especially his comment about 'fat asses'.Did AL keep using that "show me your fat asses" comment at all the concerts or was just in Kiev? If it's just Kiev, I would give him a pass for nerves and a momentary lapse of judgement because it was the first concert and he was in front of a larger audience than he's ever had. If that became his standard intro to FBG then I'd agree that he's clueless and classless. |
GratefulFan 19.07.2012 11:26 |
He did it at Hammersmith on the first night at least, which is the one I watched the streaming of. It wasn't as painfully extended as Kiev, but there was a query or two about whether 'there were some fat asses here tonight' or something like that. |
GratefulFan 19.07.2012 12:07 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Now as far as that chicken and egg post about which came first, screamers or talent shows, I say hogwash!You can hogwash all day, but the fact still remains that Adam Lambert performed in Los Angeles for years without gaining much traction. The typical course to mainstream exposure for artists working in accessible and studio and radio rich markets like Los Angeles is not American Idol. We should be able to agree at least on that. Without American Idol he likely would have excelled in his theatre understudy role and gone on to build recognition and success in eventual lead roles in big productions, like Kerry Ellis. Also like Kerry Ellis, the foray into rock/pop can be a dicey one, with rock being the far trickier. Adam will have a pop career if he can find and/or create stronger music. Glamberts are blind to it, but the music itself is not that strong. Compare NCOE to the current number one, also by an Idol alum, 'Call Me Maybe'. That is a wonderful, smiley, poppy and infectious song that I even like. And as an aside, via the video it probably does more for gay acceptance in one spin than 3 years of Adam tounging his straight guitar player 10 times a concert (or whatever). |
someonewholikesadam 19.07.2012 15:05 |
As Adam says, and I believe him, it is NOT easy to break info the pop market. Especially for a theatrical, openly gay artist. Yes, Adam and fans agree he owes his success to AI. I also agree with you, GF, about the songs. It is something we on the fan boards discuss ad nauseam. The problem is not just the songs, it is managements' choice of singles. Fever or Sleepwalker would have been massive hits off his last album and there some great songs on Trespassing, just. Of the ones they are choosing for singles. I don't get it. :(. Adams strength is in live performance but until he can get massive radio play things will be dicey. |
Tarabostes 20.07.2012 01:43 |
Tarabostes Oh, how I wish I could reach this high level of intellectualism from the comments on senility or puking . But what do I know, I'm only an "umble servant" = character from Dickens D. Copperfield, all my previous literary references fell flat. PS That girl , another Idol alum, cute face, provincial song and style. That's why I like AL, he did cross "the pond". Yes, his first 2 MVs failed but I'm sure the agreement between his label and C.Kelly and B.Mars (great names in American pop, aren't they ) was decisive . Their lousy songs must have been released as videos . |
someonewholikesadam 20.07.2012 11:21 |
GratefulFan wrote:You can hogwash all day, but the fact still remains that Adam Lambert performed in Los Angeles for years without gaining much traction. The typical course to mainstream exposure for artists working in accessible and studio and radio rich markets like Los Angeles is not American Idol. We should be able to agree at least on that. Without American Idol he likely would have excelled in his theatre understudy role and gone on to build recognition and success in eventual lead roles in big productions, like Kerry Ellis. Also like Kerry Ellis, the foray into rock/pop can be a dicey one, with rock being the far trickier. Adam will have a pop career if he can find and/or create stronger music. Glamberts are blind to it, but the music itself is not that strong. Compare NCOE to the current number one, also by an Idol alum, 'Call Me Maybe'. That is a wonderful, smiley, poppy and infectious song that I even like. And as an aside, via the video it probably does more for gay acceptance in one spin than 3 years of Adam tounging his straight guitar player 10 times a concert (or whatever). In re the Call Me Maybe singer. I recently went to four radio concerts where multiple artists performed. Quite interesting for me.someonewholikesadam wrote: Now as far as that chicken and egg post about which came first, screamers or talent shows, I say hogwash! Adam was great of course but not the best live performer of the bunch. Flo Rida,and Enrique Iglesias killed it!! But CRJ was one of the WORST live. Boring as watching paint dry. And that song is a stunning example of an inane pop hit, no where near the musical sophistication of most of Adams songs. Music listeners of today are so "dumbed down." In re Adam kissing his guitarist, he does this for the fans (he's even said it) because we LOVE it! That's an on-stage show. He champions gay rights by just walking the walk in the public eye. One more observation about most of the anti Adam posters on this board. I don't know a lot about Queen but I know a lot more about them than most of you know about AL. Not only do a lot of you not LIKE him, you do not GET him. |
AdamMethos 20.07.2012 11:57 |
I don't think you need to "get" a musician in order to decide if you like the music. "Getting" them can add to an appreciation but won't necessarily make you like them.
someonewholikesadam wrote: And that song is a stunning example of an inane pop hit, no where near the musical sophistication of most of Adams songs. Music listeners of today are so "dumbed down."Saw an interview with a songwriter who likes creating complex, layered melodies in his songs. One day he saw a little girl singing one his more simple, stripped down songs and realized that all the sophistication means nothing if his songs can't connect with people in a memorable way. So now he tries to balance the two. GratefulFan wrote: He did it at Hammersmith on the first night at least, which is the one I watched the streaming of. It wasn't as painfully extended as Kiev, but there was a query or two about whether 'there were some fat asses here tonight' or something like that.He should have stolen from Jeff Scott Soto who introduced FBG at the QE concerts with a variation of, "And our next song goes out to all of the ladies in the audience with large derrieres." Jeff at least makes it sound like a compliment! ;-) |
someonewholikesadam 20.07.2012 15:46 |
By "getting" I mean knowing enough about the artist to not make false statements based on assumptions. Like saying Adam kisses his guitarist on stage to further gay rights when in fact he does it to put on a show. You don't have to LIKE his antics but I don't like to hear people putting him down based on misconceptions. |
someonewholikesadam 21.07.2012 10:28 |
GratefulFan wrote: Glamberts are blind to it, but the music itself is not that strong. Compare NCOE to the current number one, also by an Idol alum, 'Call Me Maybe'. That is a wonderful, smiley, poppy and infectious song that I even like." If I were Adams management here are four songs I would have released as singles from his new album that are so much better than that Call Me Maybe drivel. link link link And here's your smiley poppy songs link link |
someonewholikesadam 21.07.2012 10:49 |
Not to insult you, GF, but is this what you like? Do you really think there is any comparison as far as good music, stage presence or talent??? And I thought I respected you! link |
Missreclusive 21.07.2012 15:30 |
LOL |
GratefulFan 21.07.2012 23:15 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: In re the Call Me Maybe singer. I recently went to four radio concerts where multiple artists performed. Quite interesting for me. Adam was great of course but not the best live performer of the bunch. Flo Rida,and Enrique Iglesias killed it!! But CRJ was one of the WORST live. Boring as watching paint dry. And that song is a stunning example of an inane pop hit, no where near the musical sophistication of most of Adams songs. Music listeners of today are so "dumbed down." In re Adam kissing his guitarist, he does this for the fans (he's even said it) because we LOVE it! That's an on-stage show. He champions gay rights by just walking the walk in the public eye. One more observation about most of the anti Adam posters on this board. I don't know a lot about Queen but I know a lot more about them than most of you know about AL. Not only do a lot of you not LIKE him, you do not GET him.It's summer in Ontario, a lovely time when dicking around on the internet defending things one didn't say is well down the list of anything anybody feels like doing. However since I'm now officially on vacation, and since I'm still trying to finish off this endless 3 litre cask of shitty Cabernet Merlot a week later, and further because I remain outside on my deck in the beautiful Canadian night, throwing dirty looks into the darkness hoping I'll make intimidating eye contact with a squirrel-- in the light of all that, I've found the fire just for this evening. ;) When I brought up 'Call Me Maybe' and called it a 'wonderful song', those comments were limited to the context of a) the radio single; and b) the video. I neither know nor care if Ms. Jepsen sounds like a wounded walrus or the aural manifestation of my crappy wine when she sings live because that wasn't the point. The song works because it's catchy, universal (which is different than inane), sweet, and it sounds like she's singing it with a smile all the way through. It's spawned endless memes and celebrity lip syncs, because it's fun and it just works. I don't own the song, sing it in the shower, squee when it's on the radio, or doodle Carly's name in my oatmeal. I just noted an example of a successful pop song versus, um, anything off Trespassing so far. Nobody new is going to be able to swoon over dreamy Adam and his leather strangled megacrotch or his nectar of the sparkly drama gods voice if he can't get on the radio in any substantial way. Round 1: Carly. Also, *I* didn't say Adam kissed his guitarist to 'further gay rights', *you* said he didn't. Which doesn't make me guilty of a "false statement". I noted only that in comparing the two public presentations of gay themes/imagery the twist ending in having a theoretically hunky positively presented man be gay in a charming, unexpected and funny way does heaps more for the zeitgeist than the random asinine Frenching of a guy on stage over and over again. If that's seriously you guys perpetuating that, do him a favour and stop. With fans like that, who needs detractors. He looks foolish, fake, adolescent and flush with desire for himself. That's not a 'show', it's stuff people who need to fill in the gaps between themselves and effortless authenticity do to entertain the easily titillated and 'sophisticated'. Round two: Carly. I GET him just fine. I just don't really WANT him. |
GratefulFan 21.07.2012 23:25 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Not to insult you, GF, but is this what you like? Do you really think there is any comparison as far as good music, stage presence or talent??? And I thought I respected you! linkI like Queen, Meatloaf, ELO, AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Rush, endless other bands and solo artists who no matter their genre communicate something authentic, exciting and moving. I think Carly penned and sang a successful radio single that makes people feel good and feel connected. Great for her. Beyond that, don't burden me with a bunch of irritating strawman. If I ignore you on occasion in the future it won't be because I'm mad, and it won't be because you've knocked me out with a brilliant uppercut, and it won't be because I don't like you or appreciate your input. It will be because I usually can't be arsed defending things I don't think and never said because people don't have enough restraint to read what's actually there rather than what they'd just like to rail about themselves. |
Sheer Brass Neck 21.07.2012 23:26 |
Give it up GF. There's a reason your handle isn't Grateful Fanatic. somebodywholovesadam is probably a decent, wonderful person, who is an AL fanatic incapable of accepting anything not 100% for her boy. Good singer, great voice, no soul, end of story. If he's more than a footnote in music history atthe end of his career I'll be shocked. And switch to Pinot Noir for the summer, much lighter, and ditch the cask :) |
GratefulFan 21.07.2012 23:36 |
The casks are a new experiment because I only have one (generous) glass in the evening usually, and even a 750 ml bottle gets icky in the time I can drink it if nobody else is either there or imbibing in it. The casks are airtight and good for 6 weeks in theory, though I get about a week and a half or two out of them. I'm going to try Naked Grape Shiraz next. We'll see how that goes! |
Missreclusive 22.07.2012 00:53 |
@GF, btw, my LOL above was knee jerk reaction to the " I thot I respected you" comment from swla. Understood the Carla post. As I've said, your posts are intelligent and entertaining :-). You don't get to be the Ambassador though, thats AM. heh. I do agree with SheerBN, except with regard to wine and I'm very wine illiterate. When drinking, I down a shot of really good Vodka, straight up. Oh and..happy vacation! Wish it was ME. I need one so badly. |
AdamMethos 22.07.2012 02:09 |
Never heard Call Me Maybe so I just checked it out and yep, it's drivel. But it's really, really catchy drivel! When the video finished, my first thought was, "Cute! I want to see that again!" I watched those five AL videos and while I don't think any of those songs are terrible, none of them jumped out at me as catchy or memorable. IMO, the song Lollipop by MIKA is a catchy pop song of the type that AL is trying to do. Actually, MIKA is a good model for AL -- his song Grace Kelly is catchy pop that also showcases an amazing voice and vocal range. I can't imagine anyone but MIKA singing Grace Kelly and getting it right! AL's songs, on the other hand, don't do anything to really showcase his voice. |
Tarabostes 22.07.2012 06:02 |
Tarabostes Definitely it is a dead end for me , nothing interesting, challenging will happen anymore, the same goat-like singing, the same "Freddie is irreplaceable", or Brian and Roger , 2 senile morons who want to go on with their career. We don't want to broaden the picture a little to see that Queen are not the only rock legends who have resumed their career , and we are talking , don't forget about rock legends. With or without guest singers , bands complete, incomplete, changed. And it seems old fans didn't go crazy! R.Plant singing a duet with a country music singer, something that would have been lethal for many Queen fans(or so-called). Or Deep Purple playing without R.Blackmore. Let's lynch them! Or Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull(another love of my life ) one of the most original, eccentric guys/voices who , stubbornly has refused a "voice helper" a long period of time . Why do they make such spectacular come backs? Because, predictable, they can. And because present-day rock voices , with some exceptions, are either lame or sound very pop-ish, and because crazy guitar solos can't be heard anymore. |
GratefulFan 22.07.2012 11:38 |
Missreclusive wrote: I do agree with SheerBN, except with regard to wine and I'm very wine illiterate.Me too. That's how I ended up married to a liquid ton of grumpy Cabernet Merlot. :) Wine is more of a dinner compliment or evening ritual kind of thing. Gin is what I drink for fun. Beer is what I drink for hockey. For an Adam Lambert concert I'd choose a nice fruity strychnine varietal with oak undertones. |
someonewholikesadam 22.07.2012 13:38 |
Sometimes I think deep down I just post things so I can read GFs long nonsensical reply posts. Because its been 105 frickin' degrees here this summer, too hot to sit on the patio. And I'll do anything to keep from cleaning my house. Hmm. This could be the root of my Adam obsession. Just had dinner with my friend who went to Hammersmith shows. You won't believe how much the hardcore Queen fans LOVED Adam. Guess they were just caught up in the moment. And, really, Grateful Fan, Cabernet Merlot? I prefer a nice sun dried Shirazr, a Kir Royale or a good FRUITY martini. |
cacatua 22.07.2012 13:56 |
And I prefer Reed's Ginger Beer! :o) BTW, Adam is a ginger. Why doesn't he just give up the black hair dye and all of that cakey makeup? The eye liner is OK, but that thick coat of stuff on his face does not enhance it. There are some things about the young lad that I don't understand. It was such a relief when Brian gave up the hair dye! |
Holly2003 22.07.2012 14:28 |
Ive never really understood terms like "hardcore Queen fan" or "real Queen fan", especially when they're used in modern context. Queen finished being Queen when Fred died and their last live concert was in 1986, 26 years ago. Whatever is going on now, good or bad, isn't "Queen", it's always going to be a pale imitation. Then again, maybe I've answered my own query: maybe a hardcore Queen fan is someone who will watch any combination featuring Brian & Rog and still believe somehow it's "Queen". The closest it gets is when Brian and/or Rog perform their own songs. At least, though, Brian, Rog and Paul Rodgers had some credibility as a "supergroup". Queen + Lambert is a shameless cash in on Lambert's success and high profile following Idol. Thank feck it's over. Maybe now they'll consider doing some studio work on their own. |
someonewholikesadam 22.07.2012 20:05 |
I'm defining "hardcore Queen fan" as someone who's followed them from the early days with Freddie, knows their music well and has seen them perform live. The fans that LOVED Adam were older fans who have followed Qeen forever with Freddie and through their various iterations. One gentleman in particular has been following since their pub days before they became super famous. He says NO one has been as good a fit as Adam since Freddie. Similar sentiments were expressed by "hardcore" fans there. I'm not pointing this out to try to brainwash you into liking Adam, simply to illustrate that it's not only Glamberts who love Adam and recognize his talent and think he IS a good fit with Queen. P.S. just curious. Are you a man? |
Missreclusive 22.07.2012 22:10 |
NOT. A good fit? lol NOT. Queen with Freddie was undeniably EPIC. There's some serious serious dilution going on and has been since Freddies death. I feel so sad that they continue diluting such perfect music without caring about how it sounds. It's very very sad to me. I am passionate about it and have great hearing! |
Sheer Brass Neck 22.07.2012 22:35 |
I saw/heard Adam Lambert cover Tracks of my tears and thought he was wonderful. He got it. Smokey Robinson would have been pleased. But that's Adam Lambert's wheelhouse, pop balladry. He's a great pop singer. Freddie Mercury was a great pop singer. Freddie Mercury was a great rock singer. But Adam Lambert tries to sing rock, but doesn't have the grit to pull it off. People who don't get that don't understand music. Freddie Mercury was (IMHO) the greatest singer in the rock era by a country mile. Having said that, while his singing on Barcelona was wonderful, he was not an opera singer, and there's no shame in that. Pavarotti's pop forays were abysmal too. |
Missreclusive 22.07.2012 22:49 |
That's the point. Freddie could sing pop or rock and wasn't afraid to try opera, for which as you said was wonderful but not Pavarotti. YET, it was better than good! AL isn't even a great pop singer, avg at best. I think his physical appearance is what they all really love about him. He's sorta pretty, if he'd stop it with the ridiculous facial expressions. No matter what they say, I think that's it, what he looks like. I didn't care a lot for Michael Jackson yet, he trumps AL all over the place. |
GratefulFan 23.07.2012 21:54 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Sometimes I think deep down I just post things so I can read GFs long nonsensical reply posts.My too long replies are perfectly sensical! :) |
Vocal harmony 28.07.2012 07:36 |
Quite simply Adam Lambert was really good. The atmosphere at the Apollo was electric. He fits into the band better than Paul Rodgers. It had more of a Queen show feeling, and if you didn't, or couldn't attend any of the shows then you are missing out on what it was really like. |
uef 28.07.2012 08:11 |
Happy to say that I was proved right - I thought Adam would be awesome and the guy DELIVERED. He seemed to "get" Queen more than Chuck Norris from the last tour ever did. I wonder how much of the dissent comes from habitual complainers as the show I saw was absolutely stunning. As Brian said, "He's a keeper isn't he?". |
Vocal harmony 28.07.2012 09:38 |
Yeah the people who don't like what the band did seem to be those who just don't like Lambert and aren't willing to open their minds to the fact that this line up could and in fact does work. Sitting at home watchinging a gig on a laptop slating the performance is hardly justifiable. A lot of The Wall looks fairly pedestrian on film, but if you're at the gig, it's mind blowing. The shows with Adam Lambert worked and didn't have the obvious divide in the line up that they had with PR. Yes a lot of people don't like AL, but in the early 70's a lot of people didn't like Freddie, probably for the same reasons! |
Sheer Brass Neck 28.07.2012 09:54 |
Vocal harmony wrote: The shows with Adam Lambert worked and didn't have the obvious divide in the line up that they had with PR. Yes a lot of people don't like AL, but in the early 70's a lot of people didn't like Freddie, probably for the same reasons! The shows worked because you like Adam Lambert, which is fine. Lots of people don't like him as a rock singer (because he isn't one) so it didn't work for them. There's an equal divide, you're cherry picking (PR couldn't sing the pop stuff like Adam, too bluesy!), but AL can't sing the rock stuff because his voice is tiny and has no grit. He's a Broadway/West End pop singer and there's no shame in that. He's not in PR/Freddie/Robert Plant/Axl Rose territory in rock because even if he hits notes that they can't, they can sell it, he can't. People didn't like Freddie in the early 70s because he was like Adam Lambert? Freddie Mercury wore ballet suits and ridiculous suspenders with super tight shorts in the 70s when we weren't as enlightened as we were today about sexuality. And people (including rock and roll loving men) loved Freddie because he was the real deal. Music first, image next. If Freddie Mercury stood still like Liam Gallagher and was a shitty frontman in live shows, he'd still have left the world with Killer Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody and We are the Champions, along with his fabulous songs that are lesser known to the general public, all pretty much written by the age Adam Lambert is now. Only thing they have in common is their sexuality and they both sing. |
Vocal harmony 28.07.2012 10:25 |
Sheer Brass Neck, I agree with most of what you said. However I don't think you can bring Freddies song writing into this, as Adam Lambert isn't or wasn't anything but a live singer in this current line up. If you were around as a fan in the early 70's you may remember Freddie being criticized for his singing, the material, his mannerisms as much as for the way he dressed. So three out of four fall into the areas that Lambert is criticized for. Yes you're right about what you say about the list of singers you mention, all though I would say that Freddie and AL are closer then Freddie and the others listed. As far as falling into the typical rock singer style voice, no he doesn't, but neither does Steve Perry and the vocals in Journey were always one of that bands strengths |
Missreclusive 28.07.2012 10:27 |
SBN! You couldn't be more rigt. Imo, Adam Lambert is bumholian and doesn't belong anywhere near Queen legacy! |
cacatua 28.07.2012 12:57 |
Hmmmmm....Is it fair to use Brian's word when you are dissing his choice of frontman? |
cacatua 28.07.2012 15:22 |
First of all, I happen to like Queen + Adam, so yes, due to that I do not find Adam's presence inherently offensive regardless of anything he might do. Also I am able to retain at least some sort of objectivity about the combination. There are times it has made me cringe early on, but I do feel that they have overcome some of that and were they to continue there would be even more improvement. Adam is not as versatile as Freddie but then nobody else ever will be most likely. I feel that he is a good enough fit for them to do quite well with it. I do not know exactly how well Adam's voice carried the songs because all I have heard have been an assortment of YouTube videos, and the sound quality differed vastly in them. Those who say he is not a rock singer in the sense of being gutsy and gritty enough are probably right though It did seem as though he was adapting himself to the songs better as they went along. What really does annoy me here is that I have seen Brian, and Roger to a lesser extent, referred to in all sorts of disrespectful ways, as doddering old fools and so on. This is your prerogative in this forum, BUT.........I think it unfair when you got started pouncing on Adam for being "disrespectful" of Brian and Roger, by "condescendingly" (as you see it) touching them or putting his hand on their shoulder. I think this is pure spite! You seem very eager to cast him as someone who is taking advantage of Brian and Roger. I don't see this. I give them more credit than that. I think there is a genuinely warm relationship there. Perhaps I am wrong and somewhere down the line something to the contrary will come out, but unless it does I don't see anyone here having any room to cast Adam in that light, especially by those who have dissed Brian and Roger themselves. I'm sorry that for all of your reasons that many you do not like Queen + Adam, but I know a few people who went to the Hammersmith shows, and they were still raving about it days later - still are in fact. They hadn't known much about Adam before they went, though they liked him with Queen very well afterwards. But then perhaps they just love Brian and Roger more than they love what Queen once was. I can't fault them for that. |
Missreclusive 28.07.2012 20:09 |
alcacatua wrote: Hmmmmm....Is it fair to use Brian's word when you are dissing his choice of frontman?It's what I think of his choice of frontman! I doubt he would take it personal. And if so, I can not help it, I do not care for AL. As far as his touchy feely thing, it appears condescending to me and ick. His voice and style, performance are annoying to me. I'm sure the concerts were sensational, youtube shows that, however, I wouldn't pay to see AL no matter who he's fronting. Think of an entertainer/musician that you dislike hearing/seeing. Now have people trying to tell you he/she is GREAT. Does it force you to enjoy? It's a stupid argument at best. It saddens me to see the choices they've made in a frontman. It changes the sound of the songs I love. QE did it with integrity and it sounded absolutely wonderful. I don't think anyone who loves the legacy sound would argue with the way QE sounds and especially live. AL's voice on the other hand will sound shrill live or recorded. Freddies voice when he was younger was very different however, I watch him perform and his flamboyant way isn't annoying, Freddie comes off as genuine. I really hate comparing the two because there isn't a comparison except they have performed the same songs and a Queen fan can not help but remember Freddie. Once again, my opinion, Bri and Rog should make new music, even though they have and it just isn't going to be Queen again. |
Sheer Brass Neck 28.07.2012 20:43 |
Vocal harmony wrote: If you were around as a fan in the early 70's you may remember Freddie being criticized for his singing, the material, his mannerisms as much as for the way he dressed. So three out of four fall into the areas that Lambert is criticized for. Yes you're right about what you say about the list of singers you mention, all though I would say that Freddie and AL are closer then Freddie and the others listed. As far as falling into the typical rock singer style voice, no he doesn't, but neither does Steve Perry and the vocals in Journey were always one of that bands strengths Hi VH, a young 52 years old so I saw Queen many times in the day. Freddie was criticized by the press for singing and mannerisms. Brian was noted for having the "ugliest legs in Christiandom" by Creem magazine. Roger Taylor was identified as Britt Ekland by Circus magazine for wearing a fur a la Rod Stewart's ex. John Deacon's bass playing was referred to as "pedestrian" by Rolling Stone in a NOTW review, so I know of what i speak. Freddie was screaming, ridiculously, flaming over the top gay, yet no review I ever read mentioned it. Because Freddie was a beast live. Adam is not. He's a pussycat. I don't care if he can hit notes that Andrea Bocelli or Steve Perry or Johnny Rotten can't hit, he's not of the rock world and that diminishes the show for ME as I saw Queen when they were a rock band. If your point of reference is AKOM and forward, Queen were a pop band both in the studio and live, almost different bands. And yes, Steve Perry was a poppier singer, but on songs like Stone in LOve, he has "oomph" or grit to his voice. I would never say AL does not have a good voice, but he is ill suited to the rock side of Queen's rrepertoire, fine for the other stuff. That may make me a homophobe :) |
someonewholikesadam 28.07.2012 22:33 |
SBN, it was never mentioned that Freddie,was gay because he was in the closet and it would be merely speculation. . Am I not right? Adam just came right out and stated it. and here we are in 2012 for Christ's sake and it comes up in EVERY interview. And a LOT of folks, including the judges on AI, think Adam's forte is rock. |
cacatua 28.07.2012 23:12 |
missreclusive said: It's what I think of his choice of frontman! I doubt he would take it personal. And if so, I can not help it, I do not care for AL. As far as his touchy feely thing, it appears condescending to me and ick. His voice and style, performance are annoying to me. I'm sure the concerts were sensational, youtube shows that, however, I wouldn't pay to see AL no matter who he's fronting. Think of an entertainer/musician that you dislike hearing/seeing. Now have people trying to tell you he/she is GREAT. Does it force you to enjoy? It's a stupid argument at best. It saddens me to see the choices they've made in a frontman. It changes the sound of the songs I love. QE did it with integrity and it sounded absolutely wonderful. I don't think anyone who loves the legacy sound would argue with the way QE sounds and especially live. AL's voice on the other hand will sound shrill live or recorded. Freddies voice when he was younger was very different however, I watch him perform and his flamboyant way isn't annoying, Freddie comes off as genuine. I really hate comparing the two because there isn't a comparison except they have performed the same songs and a Queen fan can not help but remember Freddie. Once again, my opinion, Bri and Rog should make new music, even though they have and it just isn't going to be Queen again. I think Brian would take it personal, especially if he were to see himself referred to as a doddering old fool, or some of the other endearing terms I've seen used here. I really do not care if you like Adam, it is the hipocracy of those who accuse Adam of being condescending and disrespectful, while they are calling Brian and Roger names here that gets me. Because I followed Adam in the early days on Idol and just after I know a little more about him I fail to see any lack of respect on his part. I have not followed him the last couple of years, so maybe something in his character has changed and I am wrong. Maybe what I see as disrespect for Brian and Roger from Queen fans here is really just frustration. Of course Freddie was genuine - he was the original and not trying to fill in for the missing original! He wrote many of the songs and nurtured them and knew them intimately. Maybe it IS time Queen was laid to rest. Like Camelot it was a bit of magic that happened once upon a time and cannot be recreated. Then I'm sure you would all be happy, relieved, or whatever........... |
Missreclusive 28.07.2012 23:35 |
All I have to say is that I'm sorry I obviously offended you. We all have our opinions. I never called Bri or Rog doddering old fools, nor would I. But as a fan I don't have to applaude every choice they make while carrying on with the music, nor do I have to buy it. I did see AL on idol and didn't enjoy him. I don't know him personally! I only have access to whats out there and I have my opinion from what I see. Oh sure, he can sing, but he isn't special nor set apart from the others who can sing and aren't entertaining to me. |
Sheer Brass Neck 29.07.2012 08:37 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: SBN, it was never mentioned that Freddie,was gay because he was in the closet and it would be merely speculation. . Am I not right? Adam just came right out and stated it. and here we are in 2012 for Christ's sake and it comes up in EVERY interview. And a LOT of folks, including the judges on AI, think Adam's forte is rock. Yes you are right. But if you were alive and a Queen fan in the 70s, you'd know that Freddie's sexuality, while never officially out of the closet, was leaning to the gayer side of life. And live too. Robert Plant was the prototypical rock god, long hair, jeans that were sprayed on, and his shirt bursting open to reveal a forest of chest hair. Freddie was in a harlequin leotard, toasting with champagne in the feyest of voices, but he would kick anyone's ass as a ROCK performer. He had it. IMHO, AL is better suited for records and small venues in the pop world. AFWIW, we've seen what the careers are for a lot of AI alumni. Once they lose the weekly cocoon of guaranteed ratings, they disappear for the most part. The judges are salesmen, not purveyors of taste. |
BrianMayKicksAss 29.07.2012 10:44 |
I listened to him do Another One Bites the Crust...er..em..Dust! It sounded like absolute canine defecation! Then I listened to him do BoRhap. While Freddie absolutely blows him out of the water, he seemed to hit the notes okay. When Freddie sang some of the vocals, I just lost it and started crying :) I'm not going to question Bri and Roger's judgement on this one, though. I'm sure they have something up their sleeves! They are, remember, 1/2 of "the greatest band in all the land!" |
Tarabostes 30.07.2012 00:15 |
Tarabostes Bravo...KickAss, you have just broken the record of grossness and idiocy!!! Bravo! |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.07.2012 15:13 |
Adam was great. Paul Rodgers is aids. |
cacatua 02.08.2012 10:01 |
I thought that considering all of the various viewpoints aired here you all might enjoy this comment I came across at another website: link Dg says: February 12, 2011 at 9:07 pm: Somewhere in my rocknroll youth Sheila, not sure what year or which tour but Queen came in to play MSG and when they played the fat bottomed girl song a bunch girls came out and rode around the stage on bikes and Freddie slapped their asses as they rode by him….so politically incorrect but so funny…ever notice not many try to cover a Queen song? I think because they and mostly Freddie played everything to the absolute hilt…no sense trying to out Freddie Freddie. This page also has a video of Freddie and Montserrat performing Barcelona with all the trimmings, followed by one of the most beautiful attempts at describing Freddie onstage that I have ever read: Freddie Mercury’s talent has always seemed a little bit otherworldly to me. Touched by the gods. Divine. In the truest sense of the word. Watch how he moves his body. His open-legged stance at the very beginning, like he’s planting his feet on the boards, getting ready to go where the performance will take him. He’s a showman, an entertainer, a born performer, from every hair on his head to the tips of every finger. Every gesture, every breath, every look is all pouring into the intention of this song. And that flow doesn’t stop when he’s not the one singing. Watch his body during her sections. He is tossing massive support under her, throwing his energy at her, filling up the stage at the same time that he is sharing the stage with her. Kathy Bates came and spoke at my school once, and she said, “Look, if you have a gift for something, you just have to give it away. All day, every day, just give it away.”That’s what Freddie Mercury does, instinctively, habitually, in every moment, always. There is not one tiny bit of him that is not fully present. And that, to me, is Divine. I've also posted this at the Barcelona 2012 thread, so sorry for the repeat if you've been there. |
BrianMayKicksAss 02.08.2012 10:24 |
jazzy mercurois wrote: Paul Rodgers is aids.Dude. Not cool. |
Missreclusive 02.08.2012 21:04 |
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lvq 07.08.2012 06:58 |
This song is incredibly hard to sing TBF. Freddie was an absolute musical genius and it will be impossible to replicate. Lambert is a very talented individual, I'm sure given enough practice, he'd be able to hit most notes in Queen songs, I just don't think his voice suits as a Freddie Mercury replacement. The only guy I would have swallowed is George Michael. Because that's the only performer that gave me a 100% legit performance of a Queen song, when he performed Somebody to Love. Though even with George Michael, I'd have a hard time envisioning him singing The Show Must Go On or many of Queen's rock hits. |
someonewholikesadam 09.08.2012 07:17 |
IVQ, George Michael is the only guy you would have swallowed? Bwahahaha! |
Sheer Brass Neck 10.08.2012 21:18 |
Yeah, that's pretty weak IVQ. Adam would have swallowed George, his band and crew then the entire male audience. Try a little harder please. |
qz08927 11.08.2012 13:43 |
I find him to be consistantly hilarious, so on balance because he makes me laugh , i feel no need to protest, as his facial expressions and the way he sings is entertaining because it is so camp and over the top it is actually funny. So for me that is the redeeming factor of it all. Al has enabled Queen to tour and let people hear Queen perform live, so it is a good thing no matter what. He is no closer to Freddie than Roger's was further, no one can be. ( Unless they are trained actors who can study everything he did and thought, so to speak, film short bits of film with cuts, and masterfully re-create him that way.) Al's camp is his trademark, he sings melodrama's, the vividness of his facial expressions would be too big for an arena audience without super screens, ten miles from the stage. He is the personification of ultra campness, something Freddie NEVER EVER brought into his vocal perfomance and movement in his stage performances, and which was only hinted at for a mere second while he toasted the audience with a faux champagne glass made out of plastic. The mystery of Freddie Mercury's stage performance shall forever remain such, as nobody even after watching it understands it, but rather they experience it, then forget how it was done. ONE THING IT WAS NOT, AS A CLUE, IT WAS NOT CAMP. Camp is a display of defensive weakness that is faux femininity that is openly seen to be false, and it is faux offensive in it's motivation. That is why it is funny to people. There was nothing false or weak about what Freddie mercury displayed on stage, except for some plastic breasts, but there you see the diacotomy. and he knew the difference and used it well, and with great power and heart, unmatched by any other "pretenders". Thank God this is not the Freddie Mercury biopic, it was only a short tour, and i hope people understand that statement. |
AdamMethos 11.08.2012 16:43 |
I think the difference between Adam and Freddie is (apparent) authenticity. I'm a longtime Star Trek fan. I also loved the TV show Friday Night Lights. The acting on those shows are dramatically different but works in the context of each show. Star Trek is very stylized, almost like watching a theatrical play. FNL is very naturalistic, like watching a documentary. When I was younger, I used to love going to scifi cons in a Star Trek uniform costume because it was just so cool hanging out with similarly costumed friends, like being part of the Enterprise crew if only for a weekend. There were other fans for whom the fun part of wearing costumes was the attention--getting their pictures taken, getting interviews in newspapers or on TV. When Freddie dressed like a harlequin and pranced around in ballet flats, I get the sense he just thought it was fun and cool to do so. When Adam slinks around in a furry Elmo jacket, I get the sense that he's thinking, what can I do to surprise/shock people and get them taking about me for days? Freddie's flamboyance comes across as just a natural extension of his personality--it has a "dance like no one is watching" quality. While Adam's flamboyance is also an expression of his personality, it comes across as very stylized, being done with purpose to achieve a reaction from the audience. I think that's why people can have no problem with Freddie's flamboyance, yet hate Adam's flamboyance. |
Missreclusive 12.08.2012 01:06 |
Very well said. |
Tarabostes 12.08.2012 03:45 |
Tarabostes I thought I bid farewell forever, and here I am again for the sake of a little , good fight(read chat) with AdamMethos! I've always been fascinated by the discussions on QZ on how different FM and AL seem to be. I really, really like your twists and turns used to demonstrate that Freddie's flamboyance was natural while Adam's is ...fake? You've got to be very ostentatious, to possess a high dose of exhibitionism to wear leotards(Freddie), high heels (Adam) or furry jackets(both). And all these come , I think, from their ambiguous sexuality, lack of inhibition. They both like(d) to act , to play with them. That's why I love them both. Of course , Freddie left his mark on his successors who have the same flamboyance in a greater or less degree. With one exception, Paul Rodgers. As to who hates who, that's another discussion. |
qz08927 12.08.2012 10:26 |
AdamMethos wrote: I think the difference between Adam and Freddie is (apparent) authenticity. I'm a longtime Star Trek fan. I also loved the TV show Friday Night Lights. The acting on those shows are dramatically different but works in the context of each show. Star Trek is very stylized, almost like watching a theatrical play. FNL is very naturalistic, like watching a documentary. When I was younger, I used to love going to scifi cons in a Star Trek uniform costume because it was just so cool hanging out with similarly costumed friends, like being part of the Enterprise crew if only for a weekend. There were other fans for whom the fun part of wearing costumes was the attention--getting their pictures taken, getting interviews in newspapers or on TV. When Freddie dressed like a harlequin and pranced around in ballet flats, I get the sense he just thought it was fun and cool to do so. When Adam slinks around in a furry Elmo jacket, I get the sense that he's thinking, what can I do to surprise/shock people and get them taking about me for days? Freddie's flamboyance comes across as just a natural extension of his personality--it has a "dance like no one is watching" quality. While Adam's flamboyance is also an expression of his personality, it comes across as very stylized, being done with purpose to achieve a reaction from the audience. I think that's why people can have no problem with Freddie's flamboyance, yet hate Adam's flamboyance.but he didnt just and pranced around. The point is he studied and perfected every move he made. It wasn't just camp prancing, it was organized perfection of movement, more interesting than most ballet. But i get your main point, Freddie made it look natural, and lived in , but it was all worked out. But everybody thinks Freddie was camp on stage, but truly it was not camp at all. People think that but if you really think about it, it was not camp at all, camp is a cliche, camp is pretending to be feminine. i love to say this because it needs saying ,(and i am not talking about Adam here ) far less talented people want to place themselves in the same bracket as Freddie by lumping him in the camp category, but they are just trying to steal his limelight. David Bowie was infact in his hay day ,camp and theatrical ON STAGE, but that was not what Freddie did, he was unique never beaten never equalled. |
Sheer Brass Neck 12.08.2012 11:04 |
And Freddie was doing his thing 40 years ago. I posted a while ago about the prototypical rock frontman and Freddie was the opposite to the macho swagger of the day, at a time being outrageous for a predominantly male audience couldn't be construed as a benefit. He was who he was, and there was no one like him. He paved the way for AL and performers of his ilk, regardless of whether he wore his sexuality on his sleeve. AL strikes me as the shocking type of performer, like Madonna, who kisses his male guitarist and wonders why there is a backlash. It's calculated to me, which is fine. I don't care for him because he can't sing Queen songs particularly well, and he's Broadway's idea of rock and roll, not a real rocker. |
qz08927 12.08.2012 11:10 |
'He paved the way for AL and performers of his ilk,' Oh i dont think so, your maybe right but it is like lets pretend we are great big adults. ", at a time being outrageous for a predominantly male audience couldn't be construed as a benefit. " but it was wasn't it? "And Freddie was doing his thing 40 years ago" Freddie never did anything Al does. |
qz08927 12.08.2012 11:22 |
Montreux wrote: Personally for me that's most terrible Queen + project ever!It is more entertaining than Paul Rodgers though, it makes me laugh, so i like it. i love it when he shuffles upto Brian in his high heels he can hardly walk in and gently places his hand on Brian's shoulder and smiles that libarace smile. The whole thing is hilarious. But i do wish Brian would wear his white shawl, i dont like the black one so much, you cant see it for a start. |
Sheer Brass Neck 12.08.2012 11:29 |
qz08927 wrote: 'He paved the way for AL and performers of his ilk,' Oh i dont think so, your maybe right but it is like lets pretend we are great big adults. ", at a time being outrageous for a predominantly male audience couldn't be construed as a benefit. " but it was wasn't it? "And Freddie was doing his thing 40 years ago" Freddie never did anything Al does. qz08927, if you were around in 1976, you'd have an idea of how unique Freddie Mercury was. Society has made incredible strides in tolerance, and in rock and roll, people like Bowie, and Freddie were challenging the norm. But Bowie did his as a character. Freddie Mercury was a total one off. Compare Freddie to popular groups with prominent frontmen at the time. The Who, Zep, Van Halen all had guys baring their chests and wearing sprayed on pants. Freddie was donning a harlequin leotard. I am pretty certain that is not in Rock Star 101 - How to win a male fan base. It was a benefit only as he delivered the goods live, and Queen in the 70s were as muscular as Zeppelin in a live setting. Largely because the guy in the leotard could sing the fuck out of anything, and win over guys who tossed around the words faggot and homo like they were saying hello. Not an easy task. |
qz08927 12.08.2012 11:34 |
people like Bowie, and Freddie were challenging the norm true but you made out it was rejected they did challenge the norm yes with no resistance whatsoever Freddie was donning a harlequin leotard. I am pretty certain that is not in Rock Star 101 IT IS |
Tarabostes 12.08.2012 13:02 |
Tarabostes Liberace! |
AdamMethos 12.08.2012 15:57 |
Tarabostes wrote: I really, really like your twists and turns used to demonstrate that Freddie's flamboyance was natural while Adam's is ...fake?The "twists and turns" as you put it was to be specific in saying that Freddie's flamboyance APPEARED to be natural and unstudied while Adam's flamboyance APPEARS to have forethought and be done for a specific effect. I specifically said that Adam's flamboyance is an expression of his personality, i.e. not fake. For all I know, Freddie could have put a lot of forethought into which outrageous outfit would get the best audience reaction, BUT IT DIDN'T COME ACROSS THAT WAY IN HIS PERFORMANCES. Perhaps Adam just needs more practice to work on being more natural in his flamboyance. Or perhaps, like in the Star Trek example (or Lady Gaga, for a musical example), Adam is not aiming to be natural but wants to be stylized and super-theatrical in his performances. There is nothing wrong with either approach other than some people will like one over the other (while other people like yourself won't care). So my point is that while on the surface Adam and Freddie seem to have a the same flamboyant sensibility in their performances, there IS a relatively minor but fundamental difference. And that difference is the reason why some people may give Freddie a pass but then crucify Adam. |
DLCVinnuendo 12.08.2012 17:23 |
well, jessie j destroyed WWRY right now... |
bas 12.08.2012 18:28 |
Brian's and Roger's appearences in the last few years (with the 2 of them alone or in combination with that Lambert kid, Paul Rodgers and other musicians) have seriously damaged the image of Queen. They've made a parody of something that was once a great band. I think they're entitled to do so, as it is their band, but it really, really makes me sad... The legacy of Queen is seriously damaged in their hands. It makes that I have even more respect for John Deacon's decision to stop when it was time to do so! |