| ptr 03.07.2012 11:48 |
Is there anyone who would want to cooperate on petition against this terrible thing? Brian on his sites writes, that he get just positive reactions.... There are a LOT of fans who are against longer cooperation with Lambert and I would like to know him about "us".... Open letter or petition looks like optimal form. I want to write it in good way, no harsh comments, its just about saying that Adam Lambert did not perform good way and the songs with his voice sounded really bad. Nothing personal against him. Just letting them know THIS... I would like to make it that way: fans would sign it (maybe better would be real names instead of nicknames, countries) and add the number of Queen (or QPR) concerts they have seen and optional other commentary. Its not biased against the upcoming concerts (Moscow and London), its against possible future cooperation for bigger tour or recording (which is possible according to latest interviews!). Would you sign this? |
| Biggzy10 03.07.2012 12:04 |
You guys are a bunch of complainers. Dont like it, dont watch it. |
| pittrek 03.07.2012 12:16 |
Of course he gets just positive reactions. I have tried to write on queenonline what I REALLY felt, and ALMOST all of my comments disappeared :-) |
| croatiafan 03.07.2012 12:32 |
After reading all the neagative comments , I would have to say that there are A LOT of angry fans out there, but I don't think it would help much to sing the petition! The truth is they are getting a lot of support from AL fans...but I would sign,why not;-O |
| mooghead 03.07.2012 12:35 |
Petitions never ever ever ever achieve anything |
| waunakonor 03.07.2012 12:38 |
No |
| john bodega 03.07.2012 12:49 |
The second the word 'petition' leaves your lips, you're an asshole. |
| ATRUEFANWITHPATIENCE 03.07.2012 13:16 |
Some of you guys need to get a life. Have you nothing else better to do? And before you say "we are just expressing our opinion", so am I! If you don't like Q+AL then don't follow it, watch it, listen to it or read about it just go and find something else to moan about! Unless one of us un-earths or builds ourselves a time machine the old Queen aint coming back, get over it! All I know is that I never got to see Freddie perform so i will take whatever incarnation of Queen I can get, and if I don't like it I won't listen to it, simples! I think Adam Lambert did a very good job in Kiev, especially as it was his first full gig, he hit the notes, ok he over sings now and again, but so did Freddie occasionally, if you've got it use it! I for one can't wait to see them At Hammersmith! My opinion. |
| inu-liger 03.07.2012 13:55 |
No, I would not even sign it because you're an idiot. Petitions like this wouldn't EVER work, plus calling it now after the fact only shows poor planning. |
| Vocal harmony 03.07.2012 14:53 |
What a joke.. You have a choice and so do the people who like what they're doing. I would suggest you exercise your right not to watch or listen to these shows if you feel that strongly. If you think a petition is going to stop a tour in it's tracks, you're delusional. |
| The Fairy King 03.07.2012 15:39 |
Face it, they can't perform these songs ALONE. They've found a guy with a killer voice, who is WILLING and BRAVE enough to perform these difficult songs. He doesn't have to do it, he's huge in his own right with a thriving career (unlike some has-been with hair plugs i won't mention). So sit back, relax, stfu and enjoy the fact that these old geezers are still playing FFS! |
| Micrówave 03.07.2012 15:46 |
ptr wrote: I want to write it in good way, no harsh comments, its just about saying that Adam Lambert did not perform good way and the songs with his voice sounded really bad. Nothing personal against him. Just letting them know THIS... Hmmm.... "sounded really bad" to who? Did you actually attend every show they've performed together at? Because NOTHING sounds good live on Youtube. Was Adam out of pitch? Did he not swing his hips to the beat? It's been 25 years or more since some of these tunes were performed live. What dance moves did he do wrong? Were you expecting him to move like Freddie or something? He's not Freddie and I don't think anyone is wanting someone to "act" like Freddie. And what is the point of "letting them know THIS"? Are you expecting them to stop performing? What about: 1. The people who like Adam and would love to see this 2. Fans that have already purchased tickets 3. The expenses of hiring a touring company... who pays that then, Brian or Roger? 4. The venues who agreed to the performance... now all they're employees don't get to work that night 5. The casual laborers who were hired to build stages, run cable, provide hospitality, etc. You really haven't thought this through, have you? Or you're just a cold hearted son of a bitch.... or maybe a bank executive. |
| Russian Headlong 03.07.2012 16:01 |
where do i sign?, i will just get a pen... |
| ptr 03.07.2012 16:24 |
Have anyone of you read that completely??? Its NOT against current concerts! Its NOT against planned concerts in London... Im just worried about things which sadly can happen - have you heard what crazy thing Brian said at the Moscow airport (about Lamberts voice) - that he never ever heard such a great voice? Have you read latest interview with Lambert that he would be positive about working on new stuff with Brian and Roger? Do you want to se live DVD with Lambert and then regular concert tour? Im not interested in mobile phone recordings from concert, but the first show was recorded, filmed and broadcasted in quality which is really good for review... That concert in Kiev was just disaster, nothing else. I agree with the commentary that was written here on QZ - amateur recordings from Queen Extravaganza sounds better than this rubbish! And then - Brian's commentary on his website looks like from another planet. You are happy that you have a singer who has a range... But range means NOTHING... You have to be able to control it... Lambert? He fails! His tone in high notes is just awful (Who Wants To Live Forever is great example). He cant use power in his voice without vibrato... Vibrato should be a "bonus", something that you add into some notes in particular parts of songs.. His singing improvisations "added" into the songs (for example at the beginning of I Want It All) are really... disgusting. Its all about tone of his voice and vibrato completely out of control... |
| david (galashiels) 03.07.2012 17:17 |
anyone looked at adam lamberts fan sites,to see if theres a petition to get rid of bri and rog lol. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 03.07.2012 17:22 |
you're all assholes |
| Vela 03.07.2012 17:44 |
Oh do grow up! Some of us would petition against the abominable Extravaganza but we're not that childish and, quite frankly, have lives. As for getting a lot of support from Adam Lambert fans, they are getting a lot of support from Queen fans. For every negative post from a genuine fan (and by that I mean not fans of the Excretiaganza singers or fans of other talent show contestants pretending to be Queen fans but showing by what they say and even how they spell certain things that they're not Queen fans at all) there's a hundred positive ones from genuine fans, and the number has grown particularly after the Kiev gig. Practically all my lifelong friends are fans because we grew up with the band. Not one of them is anything but pleased to see Adam Lambert fronting the band. I don't know anyone in the real world who has a problem with it. What a surprise to see ptr here and making yet another comment that does nothing but show ignorance and bias. Amateur footage from the Extravagabondanza sounds better? Sweetheart...... professionally recorded, remixed and remastered footage of that embarrassing pile would still sound like walruses backed by kids on tin drums and washboards. Adam Lambert doesn't have control? Seriously? If you genuinely believe that about a singer who is widely recognised by the great and good of the industry, both musicians and producers, as having the best control (amongst other vocal qualities) they've ever heard in any singer, I suggest you're in URGENT need of a hearing test at the very least. I'm starting to wonder whether the P and the R in ptr stand for Paul Rodgers. How are you doing these days? In fact, what are you doing? It's completely beyond me and anyone I know what that young man has done to some of you that is so bad. He's doing a great job of some extremely demanding songs (and, with the greatest of respect, singing some of them better than Freddie ever did live), putting in stunning performances and bringing the band back to life after previously having hired a singer who for all his ability in his particular genre was as much fun on stage as Gordon Brown. I don't know, has Adam Lambert punched some of your grandmothers, bullied your children, kicked your dogs, run over your cats? What an absurdly over the top reaction from a small (yes, small compared to the positivity) bunch whose heads are clearly as hard as Stonehenge. The guys have found themselves an excellent singer (and it's not like either he or they rushed the decision) who does the songs justice, performs his arse off and has chemistry with the guys. What's not to like? I hope they do make it a more permanent arrangement and I do hope that they record together at some point. I can't see it happening any time soon as Adam has an album out and will more than likely have to tour with that some time this year but long may he reign as singer of Queen. |
| k-m 03.07.2012 17:57 |
Okay, firstly I must say that I've not been on this forum for a while, although I've been a fan for many years and Queen is still much in my heart. Secondly, the thread encouraged me to watch the show in Kiev. Well, I've only watched 30 mins so far, but hell... this ROCKS! As some of you may know, the QPR project never really grew on me, but this show is pretty much amazing so far. It certainly does sound like they are developing their "new" sound, but it is exciting and Adam is one hell of a frontman. To hear Queen perform a setlist which opens with Flash and goes stright to Brighton Rock snippets and Fat Bottomed Girls is actually quite refreshing (after all these Magic rehash years). And it sounds very... alive (excuse my lack of a better word, a bit tired at this time of night). Times have definitely changed, but I think that instead of rebelling against it, they simply fly with it and, wow, Roger just sounds amazing on AKOM. Adam is putting on a very brave face and it sounds like they're just having fun. Where are my tickets now?! |
| inu-liger 03.07.2012 18:39 |
david (galashiels) wrote: anyone looked at adam lamberts fan sites,to see if theres a petition to get rid of bri and rog lol.DING |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 03.07.2012 20:28 |
Let me see: - A petition to ask my favourite musicians to stop their current plans and quit performing with their current line-up? No, thanks. - A petition to ask my 60+ year old idols to stop their current hard work and start all over? No, thanks. - Apetition to discourage the current output of Brian and Roger? No, thanks. - A petition to deprive me and millions of fans from the fun of seeing them perform live, maybe for the last few times? No, thanks. - A petition to ask Brian and Roger to actually not go into a studio and record together, even with any other artists they choose to do so with? No, thanks. Mmmmm, as you see, I am really in serious doubt here, but, no, thanks. Cheers, Ogre- |
| paperrosie 03.07.2012 21:48 |
Some facts about Adam Lambert!At the start of June 2010, Lambert embarked on his debut headlining concert tour Glam Nation, playing throughout the United States with Allison Iraheta and Orianthi before performing throughout Europe and Asia. His concert in Malaysia on October 10, 2010, went ahead as planned, despite protests from an Islamist political party.[90] Lambert performed a total of 113 shows; nearly all of them sold out.[91] The concert performed at Indianapolis was filmed for Lambert's first video release Glam Nation Live, a package included a 13-track CD with a DVD which featured the concert and behind-the-scenes footage.[92] The concert, which MTV called "out of this world", and his subsequent video release, were well-received, with Entertainment Weekly saying that it "sizzles" with the energy that Lambert's vocals bring in a live concert setting.[93] Glam Nation Live debuted at number one on the SoundScan Music Video chart[94] and landed in the number-12 spot on Billboard's 2011 year-end chart for music video sales.[95] This followed the release of his first extended play (EP), titled Acoustic Live!, which included acoustic versions of his songs recorded live in various countries. The EP garnered excellent reviews and was called "electrifying" by the New York Daily News.[96][97][98] |
| paperrosie 03.07.2012 22:00 |
Citing influence from various artists, Lambert has become recognized for his flamboyant, theatrical and androgynous performance style, and his powerful and technically skilled tenor voice with multi-octave range.[14][15] He has accrued numerous awards and nominations, including a Grammy nomination for Best Male Pop Vocal Performance, and has sold nearly two million copies of his debut album worldwide as of April 2012[16] and 4.2 million singles worldwide as of January 2011.[17] The Times identified Lambert as the first openly gay mainstream pop artist to launch a career on a major label in the U.S.This is the guy you say can't sing? |
| paperrosie 03.07.2012 22:00 |
Citing influence from various artists, Lambert has become recognized for his flamboyant, theatrical and androgynous performance style, and his powerful and technically skilled tenor voice with multi-octave range.[14][15] He has accrued numerous awards and nominations, including a Grammy nomination for Best Male Pop Vocal Performance, and has sold nearly two million copies of his debut album worldwide as of April 2012[16] and 4.2 million singles worldwide as of January 2011.[17] The Times identified Lambert as the first openly gay mainstream pop artist to launch a career on a major label in the U.S.This is the guy you say can't sing? |
| Crazy LittleThing 03.07.2012 23:14 |
Zebonka12 wrote: The second the word 'petition' leaves your lips, you're an asshole.I couldn't have said it better myself, Z. |
| queen79luca 04.07.2012 02:13 |
Crap! Don t like it, don t watch it |
| Vela 04.07.2012 05:09 |
Aaaw!! Adam has recorded a special message for his haters. Bless him! link |
| Pingfah 04.07.2012 05:46 |
I didn't like the performance much, some good, a lot bad, but I am not signing any petition. If this is what they want to do let them get on with it. It's their band. I'm going to continue to watch whatever they do with him, because some Queen is better than no Queen. |
| Vela 04.07.2012 07:40 |
What did you like and not like, Pingfah? I'm only asking because I've watched it over several times and the only things I could find not to like were the technical glitches but that's in the hands of the technicians and the lap of the gods and nothing to do with the guys themselves. |
| LordOfAllDarkness 04.07.2012 07:44 |
Stop complaining, Adam Lambert could finally resurrect your dead band, you're supposed to thank him. |
| Tommilaiho 04.07.2012 07:47 |
I'with ATRUEFANWITHPATIENCE I don't particularly like AL that much , but he was ok. Freddie is dead, and "THE QUEEN" is not never , ever coming back. As sad as it is ,it is a fact. And because of that fact i'm very glad to see Brian and Roger playing live, whenever there's a chance. I do agree that there is a lot better singers than AL out there, but since he was their choice, I'll get over it and will go on to the Hammersmith , to see and listen bri and rog play , with a huge smile on my face. |
| Tommilaiho 04.07.2012 08:43 |
If you take a look at AL's fans discussionboards, you'll se a great difference from here. His fans seem to think that HE was perfect, flawless as they say... :D |
| Tarabostes 04.07.2012 09:02 |
Tarabostes 7/4/2012 ...and you say you're a Queen fan? Are you sure? Do you offer yourself "to handle" this so-called petition, (to request what, "I don't like AL , please, pretty please Queen , an obscure band at the beginning of your career, don't play with him anymore?) using your real name? Or signed "a group of fans"? Doesn't it sound a little childish? PS When a petition has to be explained, the petitioner must have problems of logic. |
| john bodega 04.07.2012 09:20 |
It's beyond some people's fuckin' ability to be realists. He screwed up a lot. Big deal. Petitions about musical acts are still retarded; the only kind I have any remote respect for would be a petition to get someone to visit a certain country or venue. Otherwise you can cunt off. Your petition is stupid. |
| Pingfah 04.07.2012 09:38 |
Vela wrote: What did you like and not like, Pingfah? I'm only asking because I've watched it over several times and the only things I could find not to like were the technical glitches but that's in the hands of the technicians and the lap of the gods and nothing to do with the guys themselves.The excessive vibrato AL uses was very distracting, I don't like his voice much either, it's too high pitched and squealy. That said, he got much better as the concert went on. He did make mistakes, but I am prepared to put those down to nerves and give him another chance. Certainly some Queen songs suited him better than others, so I think they should rethink the set. I thought he was very good on Who Wants to Live Forever. He badly needs a new haircut though! |
| Canadian May Fan 04.07.2012 09:53 |
Save petitions for things that really matter, like overturning election results that were probably attained by fraud. |
| Montreux 04.07.2012 09:59 |
LordOfAllDarkness wrote: Stop complaining, Adam Lambert could finally resurrect your dead band, you're supposed to thank him.LOL... |
| bri246 04.07.2012 10:03 |
how stupid can you get by making a petition. people who complain about queen + adam lambert cannot call themselves queen fans |
| waunakonor 04.07.2012 10:07 |
I'm willing to defend Bri and Rog touring with Adam for reasons already stated here several times over, namely that it keeps the music alive and keeps two of my favorite musicians playing music, I just won't listen to much of it because I don't like the way Adam's voice sounds with the Queen music. Still, I hope they keep this up. I hope everyone realizes now that the petition is just stupid.
Vela wrote: What a surprise to see ptr here and making yet another comment that does nothing but show ignorance and bias. Amateur footage from the Extravagabondanza sounds better? Sweetheart...... professionally recorded, remixed and remastered footage of that embarrassing pile would still sound like walruses backed by kids on tin drums and washboards.That's funny, because I have an audience recording of QE, and it sounds absolutely fantastic. Have you even seen the show? I think some of your ignorance and bias is showing. Vela wrote: What an absurdly over the top reaction from a small (yes, small compared to the positivity) bunch whose heads are clearly as hard as Stonehenge. The guys have found themselves an excellent singer (and it's not like either he or they rushed the decision) who does the songs justice, performs his arse off and has chemistry with the guys. What's not to like?/QUOTE] You know what, call me stone cold crazy (a song which Adam could not hope to do justice to) but maybe some of the Adam bashers have, dare I say it, and opinion of their own? You can easily throw all the Adam bashers into one group and call them stupid, and also blindly bash the QE, and yet say that people who disagree with you are biased and ignorant? Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what seems to be happening here.jazzy mercurois wrote: you're all assholesWow, you're a real nice guy. |
| princetom 04.07.2012 10:48 |
wouldn't sign a petition because i really enjoy rbi and rog doing some music again. |
| someonewholikesadam 04.07.2012 10:48 |
AL's "excessive vibrato" is no doubt from his years of technical training. He did grow up a "theater kid.". His is voice may not suit your tastes but I don't think anyone can deny his talent, Check out this video on YouTube: link Sent from my iPad |
| MEDUSA-RULES 04.07.2012 10:49 |
inu-liger wrote:tl,drdavid (galashiels) wrote: anyone looked at adam lamberts fan sites,to see if theres a petition to get rid of bri and rog lol.DING |
| FriedChicken 04.07.2012 10:54 |
I don't like it, but I don't care. It's their band, it's their job. As long as they aren't complaining about my job and tell me to do something else, I won't complain about theirs. |
| brENsKi 04.07.2012 10:57 |
croatiafan wrote: After reading all the neagative comments , I would have to say that there are A LOT of angry fans out there, but I don't think it would help much to sing the petition!i agree. probably about as little effect as SIGNING the petition, but possibly a bit more fun ;-) |
| ptr 04.07.2012 11:11 |
My opinion about Q+AL is very negative, but I do NOT want to make that open letter in that way... I want to make that open letter as very positive thing like "dont you really think that this would be a better thing for these reasons.... we would love to see that again". My basic idea is about the discussion and it is NOT (!!!) biased against Lambert, he is the last one who is important for future of Queen. Its about discussion among Brian and Roger... We know that we have no right to enforce anything... Its just about let them notice "we are here and we think that this would be a far better"... Lambert is just singer who accidentaly got this chance... I liked thatfan video about QAL project with C-lebrity song... I hope that you saw it before it was deleted from youtube... Its exactly MY point of view. There is one thing which I miss - consistency! I have absolutely NOTHING against them playing the stuff live - music is made to be played live! The problem is about the singer. They never did any real audition for singer to their band. Paul Rodgers was fantastic coincidence - just yesterday I played that very first video of them playing together (Hall Of Fame 2004) - that chemistry is there from the first second when you hear Paul's voice with Roger's drumming and Brian's guitar... These are situation that are absolutely unique. QAL simply do not work that naturally and there are many reasons for that... It was put together by "music business forces", not because of the musical chemistry - simply because this important factor is not there. Thats how I feel it and I know that Im not alone.... I think that the best possible thing (that I KNOW we can get - he have been very positive for new cooperation with them in recent interviews) are some shows with Paul again... I know the guy who did not like the cooperation with Paul, but now? As he heard that Kiev disaster he admited Paul was great compared to this..... |
| Brucek 04.07.2012 11:21 |
These petition people are making fools of themselves. |
| Brucek 04.07.2012 11:28 |
You people with the petition thing really are lame. Lambert is just a guest singer and there is only 4 more concerts. Exactly how old are you? Stop embarrassing yourselves. |
| winterspelt 04.07.2012 11:38 |
Nice to see Im not the only one who likes (and support) the Q+AL gig. I like the current lineup. Lambert may not be your favorite singer, but he is doing a great job. I hope they do more tours and even a live album! |
| The Real Wizard 04.07.2012 12:09 |
mooghead wrote: Petitions never ever ever ever achieve anythingDefinitely not true. Perhaps that is the case in music-related things, but petitions have made huge differences in environmental and social issues worldwide. Even in Canada when they tried to pass an online surveillance bill (disguised as a "stop the child pornographers" act), over a hundred thousand people signed and it thwarted this proposition from a majority government. Carry on .. |
| Vela 04.07.2012 14:34 |
What makes the criticism from some so-called Queen fans of Adam's use of vibrato is that if professional critics had any criticism to make of the performance, it was that he "too often tried to copy Mercury's vibrato" (which in itself is complete tripe as Adam's vibrato is a natural part of his voice when holding long notes or reaching high notes, as it is for any trained singer, and at no part in any of the two shows so far or the EMA performance has he used any voice, tone or nuance that wouldn't have been heard in any of his solo live performances). Perhaps those who claim to be such great fans should actually listen closely to the great man himself, particularly on live footage. Freddie's vibrato could have often registered on the Richter scale. |
| inu-liger 04.07.2012 14:43 |
MEDUSA-RULES wrote:Correctedinu-liger wrote:ts;drdavid (galashiels) wrote: anyone looked at adam lamberts fan sites,to see if theres a petition to get rid of bri and rog lol.DING |
| mooghead 04.07.2012 16:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Well they haven't in the UK. You get news stories where thousands, hundreds of thousands of people have signed a petition that has been presented to the door of number 10. Once a politician has decided on something thats it. UK politicians would see a reversal of a decision as a massive sign of weakness and their ego's are far far too big for that.mooghead wrote: Petitions never ever ever ever achieve anythingDefinitely not true. Perhaps that is the case in music-related things, but petitions have made huge differences in environmental and social issues worldwide. Even in Canada when they tried to pass an online surveillance bill (disguised as a "stop the child pornographers" act), over a hundred thousand people signed and it thwarted this proposition from a majority government. Carry on .. |
| Marcos Napier 04.07.2012 16:34 |
Is there a petition to make all the online petitions immediately effective? I'd sign that one first. |
| Pingfah 04.07.2012 17:05 |
Vela wrote: What makes the criticism from some so-called Queen fans of Adam's use of vibrato is that if professional critics had any criticism to make of the performance, it was that he "too often tried to copy Mercury's vibrato" (which in itself is complete tripe as Adam's vibrato is a natural part of his voice when holding long notes or reaching high notes, as it is for any trained singer, and at no part in any of the two shows so far or the EMA performance has he used any voice, tone or nuance that wouldn't have been heard in any of his solo live performances). Perhaps those who claim to be such great fans should actually listen closely to the great man himself, particularly on live footage. Freddie's vibrato could have often registered on the Richter scale.You asked me a question and I gave you an honest answer. Your opinion of what does or does not make a "real Queen fan" is of absolutely no importance. Grow up. |
| LordOfAllDarkness 04.07.2012 17:59 |
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| LordOfAllDarkness 04.07.2012 18:03 |
Well do you guys prefer Brian and Roger to retire? I think you do. You're just a bunch of haters disguised as fans. |
| Wiley 04.07.2012 18:37 |
He did well with some tracks, was way off in a few of them and -in my opinion- nailed "Who Wants to Live Forever". Petitions are stupid and never accomplish anything. The only petition I signed was one to get Q+PR to tour Mexico in 2008 and that didn't work out. Biggest market in Latin America and they missed it. Fuckers. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 04.07.2012 19:31 |
Wiley wrote: He did well with some tracks, was way off in a few of them and -in my opinion- nailed "Who Wants to Live Forever". Petitions are stupid and never accomplish anything. The only petition I signed was one to get Q+PR to tour Mexico in 2008 and that didn't work out. Biggest market in Latin America and they missed it. Fuckers. They definitely should have played Mexico, as well as done more dates in Argentina, Brazil and Chile. BTW, in which sense do you rate Mexico as the biggest market in Latin America? Do you mean the biggest market for Queen matters? Are they that popular over there? Cheers, Ogre- |
| brunogorski 04.07.2012 19:37 |
Arnaldo, agree! Brazil, please. So I can meet you and watch Queen +! :P |
| beautifulsoup 04.07.2012 21:56 |
Oh, crap. He sang "Who Wants to Live Forever?" One of the songs I was hoping they'd steer clear of. At least Brian had the good sense to not let Adam anywhere near "Love of My Life." |
| beautifulsoup 04.07.2012 21:57 |
D'OH! Double post. *headdesk* |
| waunakonor 04.07.2012 22:15 |
Vela wrote: What makes the criticism from some so-called Queen fans of Adam's use of vibrato is that if professional critics had any criticism to make of the performance, it was that he "too often tried to copy Mercury's vibrato" (which in itself is complete tripe as Adam's vibrato is a natural part of his voice when holding long notes or reaching high notes, as it is for any trained singer, and at no part in any of the two shows so far or the EMA performance has he used any voice, tone or nuance that wouldn't have been heard in any of his solo live performances). Perhaps those who claim to be such great fans should actually listen closely to the great man himself, particularly on live footage. Freddie's vibrato could have often registered on the Richter scale.So you're going to play that card? "People who disagree with me are not real Queen fans." That seems to be what you're saying, so I shall politely request that you go fuck yourself. You have no authority to decide who is a real Queen fan or not. I've heard Freddie live many times, and I've heard Adam live with Queen. Occasionally, Adam's vibrato is a little over the top and sounds kind of annoying to me because it doesn't really fit in. As far as I know, that's not happened with Freddie. It's really not that major of a detail, but still worth pointing out. We all have different ears and slightly different tastes, and just because something annoys me a little more than it annoys you does not mean I am not a real Queen fan, so don't question whether or not people are "real fans," okay? |
| Wiley 04.07.2012 23:28 |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote:Hi Ogre, I meant overall as a market for music and concerts.Wiley wrote: He did well with some tracks, was way off in a few of them and -in my opinion- nailed "Who Wants to Live Forever".Petitions are stupid and never accomplish anything. The only petition I signed was one to get Q+PR to tour Mexico in 2008 and that didn't work out. Biggest market in Latin America and they missed it. Fuckers.They definitely should have played Mexico, as well as done more dates in Argentina, Brazil and Chile. BTW, in which sense do you rate Mexico as the biggest market in Latin America? Do you mean the biggest market for Queen matters? Are they that popular over there?Cheers,Ogre- In the last years we've had many concerts by major rock bands and artists: Elton John, Police, Muse, Keane, Kiss (Ok, they were decent at some point), The Killers, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Radiohead, and we even got older bands/artists like Toto, The Doors (what's left of them), Meatloaf, Journey, etc. Paul McCartney gave like 3 shows in various cities in Mexico, including a free show in Mexico City's "Zocalo" (central square) for several hundred thousand people (Justin Bieber did the same, but that's another story ;)). For crying out loud, Metallica is playing EIGHT shows in Mexico City alone in July-August this year! We had several Cirque du Solei productions playing in various cities in Mexico last year. So, that's what I meant. Every frickin' artist/major show is coming to town. Q+PR didn't bother. And don't tell me it's because people threw shoes at them in ONE of the 3 shows they gave 31 years ago. The other two shows went by without any inconvenience and were great shows. My dad saw them front row at Monterrey's Estadio Universitario and he said it was awesome. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 05.07.2012 06:04 |
I'm pretty sure their decision has nothing to do with the "shoes" event of the past. :) You're right, more and more major artists do a large number of concerts in Latin America, so let's campaign for Queen (+-) to also realize that. :) Cheers, Ogre- |
| Queenback 05.07.2012 06:45 |
A petition on who a band works with is really overstepping the fans' place. If you don't like it, don't watch! |
| Holly2003 05.07.2012 08:13 |
Welcome to Stepford. |
| Daniel Nester 05.07.2012 16:54 |
For whatever it's worth, I don't think people like Holly or Grateful or anti-AL people aren't Queen fans, or real fans, or who haven't done their homework in their Queen fandom. I honestly could give two poops if someone dislikes his singing--AL has his own fans, he'll be fine without some people's approval--but when it's expressed in such a way it's plain to see that a good amount of one's disapproval has to do with "style," or the way he presents himself--of, in short, doing with him presenting himself as "gay gay gay"--that irks me to high heaven. (Sidebar: I don't understand why someone who would love Queen and Freddie Mercury would at least not be able to calibrate that aspect of the disapproval/dislike of another artist.) I mean, overuse of vibrato, theater-style delivery, forgetting words, singing off-key, this elusive term "oversinging"--I get all that. But the style, not-slightly encoded stuff leaves me shaking my head. I'm not saying to, like, stop saying all those opinions or cut it out, not that anyone would. And I'm learning not to just say, "why, how homophobic of you, X, for saying Y." I didn't used to throw that term around, oddly, until I got my full-time teaching gig and immersed myself in PC academia. Go figure. But some people, I guess that person is me at least, will point out these observations. You gotta call a spade a spade. |
| GratefulFan 05.07.2012 17:15 |
Daniel Nester wrote: I don't understand why someone who would love Queen and Freddie Mercury would at least not be able to calibrate that aspect of the disapproval/dislike of another artist.Which would be the first clue for anybody not fully immersed in his own navel that he might have misperceived the argument. |
| Holly2003 05.07.2012 17:46 |
Daniel Nester wrote: For whatever it's worth, I don't think people like Holly or Grateful or anti-AL people aren't Queen fans, or real fans, or who haven't done their homework in their Queen fandom. I honestly could give two poops if someone dislikes his singing--AL has his own fans, he'll be fine without some people's approval--but when it's expressed in such a way it's plain to see that a good amount of one's disapproval has to do with "style," or the way he presents himself--of, in short, doing with him presenting himself as "gay gay gay"--that irks me to high heaven. I don't understand why someone who would love Queen and Freddie Mercury would at least not be able to calibrate that aspect of the disapproval/dislike of another artist. I mean, overuse of vibrato, theater-style delivery, forgetting words, singing off-key, this elusive term "oversinging"--I get all that. But the style, not-slightly encoded stuff leaves me shaking my head. I'm not saying to, like, stop saying all those opinions or cut it out, not that anyone would. And I'm learning not to just say, "why, how homophobic of you, X, for saying Y." I didn't used to throw that term around, oddly, until I got my full-time teaching gig and immersed myself in PC academia. Go figure. But some people, I guess that person is me at least, will point out these observations. That's about as intellectually dishonest as anything I've ever read on Queenzone. Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself. |
| GratefulFan 05.07.2012 18:29 |
Also, Nester, the "gay gay gay" argument you're abusing was mine. At least have the decency not to hang your self-aggrandizing interpretation on Holly by implication, as he has said nothing beyond what's on your own list of approved criticisms. |
| cacatua 05.07.2012 20:23 |
ptr said: "QAL simply do not work that naturally and there are many reasons for that... It was put together by "music business forces", not because of the musical chemistry - simply because this important factor is not there." Brian has said that Adam's voice turned his legs to jelly, or something close to that, that he was so mesmerized by Adam's singing that he forgot to play, and today: "Adam is a joy to work with, and we are developing a stimulating communication." Roger has also expressed his desire to work with Adam and his admiration for his voice. Brian and Roger ARE Queen, or what's left of it, and they get to like whom they like and make the decisions! PTR you and others may think there is no musical chemistry here but it would appear that Brian and Roger do have some sort of chemistry with Adam, were impressed with him from the beginning and wished to work with him. I don't think that "music business forces" had anything to do with it other than working out details. Now just what is there about this that you do not understand? THEY like him and they are happy to work with him whether you or anyone else approves apparently. They will either sail or sink this boat, so you may as well get over it. I'm just finding it interesting to follow along and see how it develops. Sometimes I cringe, but sometimes it sounds pretty darn good too. |
| john bodega 05.07.2012 23:11 |
Don't laugh, but I don't even see Lambert's aesthetic as a strictly gay thing. Freddie was gay. He just had a sense of style. If Lambert looks ridiculous or poxy, it might not have anything to do with the fact that he has sex with men - an activity, I remind everyone, that doesn't even concern anyone who isn't sleeping with him. *shrug* Honestly, watching AL at the Kiev gig, I wasn't sitting there thinking "he looks gay". I was thinking "he looks ridiculous". I readily admit that I'm a fossil before my time, that I'm inflexible, and that I can't adjust to some of the stupid costume choices that people like him and Lady Gaga are making. It's probably all me. But I think the outfit looks silly. Bearing in mind that I was watching the show for the music, and if you go through the live responses in the 34-page thread, a great majority of the posts are concerning song choices and the performance itself. That's certainly what I wanted to focus on. I will add that I just wish Brian had kept some of his wardrobe from the Kerry Ellis shows. He looked like a badass. |
| GratefulFan 06.07.2012 00:02 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Don't laugh, but I don't even see Lambert's aesthetic as a strictly gay thing. Freddie was gay. He just had a sense of style.Who's laughing. The idea that the "gay gay gay" comments were about anybody's "style" came from Nester's fevered head. The only comment I ever recall making about Lambert's aesthetic was in relation to the Kiev gig, and what I said was that he "looked the part", with "the part" being a rock star frontman. A bit of a ridiculous rock star for the reasons you outlined, but a rock star nonetheless. |
| MEDUSA-RULES 06.07.2012 03:53 |
He is quite good at some songs actually, but has a tendency to slip in some sexual references in the lyrics if you listen carefully. stiffness in my bones he delights in. find me an asshole to love - very end- he slipped in. my hardon pay - again slipped in. Brian and Roger are unaware of this i think also he used the f word in we will --- lyric, changing it. i think Brian and Roger must know that. But the joke about Brian and Roger looking like bemused and confused pensioners walking down the very long catwalk after stumbling through some doors with plastic carrior bags at the awards ceromony came to mind.(A JOKE I PROTESTED AT THE THE TIME BUT ON REFLECTION I LAUGHED AT) With these overt homosexual lyric changes by Adam and that idea of a very unaware Brian and Roger just thinking he's performing the songs like normal in mind, It all made me laugh. He did keep yourelf alive, very well. A song i always knew was a simpler than usual vocal melody for Freddie, that with adams' exotic flurrying VOCALS style making it more interesting to my ears, THAN USUAL. Seeing Queen now, makes me have a very warm protective feeling towards Brian and Roger, a fondness, like they are much loved aunts or something. They are brilliant arent they? ALWAYS THE BEST EVER. |
| MEDUSA-RULES 06.07.2012 04:26 |
"Don't laugh, but I don't even see Lambert's aesthetic as a strictly gay thing." He is more high class drag queen starlet hollywood great femme fatal , than to be, just called GAY. Talk about lip biting tragedy and theatricality! He is so over the top it's hilarious. He did well. I mean what do you expect? It is Queen! Nobody can be Freddie in real life. That is only feasably possible in the movies- Re KAPONE. |
| Marcos Napier 06.07.2012 13:00 |
MEDUSA-RULES wrote: He is quite good at some songs actually, but has a tendency to slip in some sexual references in the lyrics if you listen carefully. stiffness in my bones he delights in. find me an asshole to love - very end- he slipped in. my hardon pay - again slipped in. Brian and Roger are unaware of this i think also he used the f word in we will --- lyric, changing it. i think Brian and Roger must know that.Can't you see him frowning when he sings "well I've loved a million women..."? |
| cacatua 06.07.2012 13:30 |
medusa-rules said: has a tendency to slip in some sexual references in the lyrics if you listen carefully. stiffness in my bones he delights in. find me an asshole to love - very end- he slipped in. my hardon pay - again slipped in. Brian and Roger are unaware of this i think also he used the f word in we will --- lyric, changing it. i think Brian and Roger must know that. Medusa, do you hear this:...........................now listen carefully again,.................................That's the sound of one hand clapping. Very clever how you say one thing while it is evident that you mean something else. Yeah, Adam is trashing the Queen lyrics and Brian and Roger are two doddering old fools who still play well but haven't a clue what is going on around them. You are as full of shit as a Christmas goose, and as I've seen Freddie occasionally say to someone from the stage - fuck you! |
| cacatua 06.07.2012 13:45 |
Oh,and did I forget to include that homophobes are a dime a dozen? |
| MEDUSA-RULES 07.07.2012 02:34 |
cacatua wrote: Oh,and did I forget to include that homophobes are a dime a dozen?I am not afraid of men |
| Daniel Nester 07.07.2012 12:21 |
Holly and Grateful, you may be Queen fans, but you also seem to be a couple of trolls who play tag-team forum-wrestling here. So forgive me if I see you both as a two-headed idiot-Medusa and get you mixed up. So, Grateful: Do you you forget your own comments, even when they're quoted verbatim right back atyou, and then you re-re-quote them with what you think is a pithy caption? The "only" comment you made about anybody's style came from...me? Anyone who can read can look back on the other board and read what you, GratefulFan, wrote about how "gay gay gay" Adam Lambert is. It's pretty dumb, sure, but what's exciting for people who like to watch car crashes is how you twist it around to be something other than you not liking Adam Lambert, at least in part, because of this. Here's the original "gay gay gay" comment--your words not mine--which was about his "image," which I guess is different than "style," if you enjoy dancing on the top of Grateful's pin he uses for his head: "One frequent message of Lambert's image, performances and words is "Gay gay gay! I'm gay! Look at me! I'm gay! Has everybody noticed that I'm really hip and gay? No? Let me french my guitar player on national prime time TV so it's clear." (http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1315067.html1) To be fair, you do go on to say homophobia is a problem, blah blah blah, and I'm certainly not one myself, yadda yadda yadda, and I don't need to wear my progressiveness on my sleeve because I'm a great person, waah waah waah. But you don't grade art on a curve [stomp! stomp!]. No siree! Sidebar: you must be quite the student of Adam Lambert to know about his image, performances, and words. Give it up. You don't like Adam Lambert, at least in part, because he's gay gay gay. Admit it, and leave it at that, and we can all move on being Queen fans here. |
| Holly2003 07.07.2012 13:34 |
What a sad, bitter little man. I bet you love smelling your own farts. |
| GratefulFan 08.07.2012 13:53 |
I don't have to wear my progressiveness on my sleeve because I don't put it on like a flannel hairshirt every morning and I'm not a phony hysteric seeking attention for myself instead of an issue. I also don't call it progressiveness because I'd feel like a bit of a tool, but that's just me. You don't know what Holly did or didn't say, you know pitiably little relevant about Lambert, you're STILL referring to me in the masculine (!) and you continue to posture, all because your singular contribution to this multi-thread exchange has been an out of control ego and smug obtuseness that doesn't actually require listening to anything or anyone. The problem with wildly overestimating yourself is that you underestimate everybody else. I'm pretty sure that most following this increasingly annoying and intrusive conversation can see exactly what is happening here, so I'll try to be brief as I can and then I'll be done. I am a student of sorts of Lambert and his fan community. Being informed has always been this quirky prerequisite of mine for having an opinion. You should give it a spin. YOU decided that image meant "style". The typical use of 'image' applied to public figures is a much broader concept that may or may not count 'style' as a significant component. If Bill Cosby declined a role in a remake of Debbie Does Dallas over fears about his image, nobody would assume he's afraid he's going to ruin his favorite wool pants. Lambert's style is part of his image, and has an obnoxiousness of it's own, but an obnoxiousness vastly incidental to my actual point about the frequent obnoxiousness of his gay issue advocacy. In an interview a couple of weeks ago he talked about getting criticism from some groups within the gay community that he was not representing them in a way that would advance acceptance. Are they homophobes too? He perceived it to be an issue of him being too fierce and too challenging to 'safe' gay role models straight people could see themselves reflected in, but I've rarely if ever seen gay advocacy groups trying to narrow the path. The fact is for many he can have a tin ear for place and time and moderation and good taste that has to do entirely with him and nothing to do with the issues of equality and tolerance. Perhaps a familiar parallel for Queen fans is Brian May on animal rights. It's no reflection on the issue that he is so polarizing that he leaves half the observers annoyed and fighting an urge to eat an entire cow for lunch just to spite him, completely independent of their views on animal ethics. Requiring that I acquiesce to your deluded idea of what's in my own head so we can "move on" is gut splitting. You picked a loser of a fight with the wrong people and you've failed to make any substantive argument in a half dozen tries. Get your ego in check and give a thought to the other people on QZ who are put off and put out by your transparent thread to thread baiting and the irrelevant-to-most back and forth sniping it breeds. Drop the self serving death grip on an argument you lost three days ago. In the end, I could not care any less about what you think of me and I could hardly now think any less of you. You're the worst kind of failed intellectual bully. Good riddance. |
| queenUSA 08.07.2012 18:43 |
Zebonka12 wrote: ... the stupid costume choices that people like him and Lady Gaga are making. It's probably all me. But I think the outfit looks silly. I will add that I just wish Brian had kept some of his wardrobe from the Kerry Ellis shows. He looked like a badass.I've doubt that Adam picked the clothes. He said in an early on interview that he had no idea what he would be wearing, but added that he hoped it would be "fabulous." I wonder If someone in the Queen organization is responsible for his wardrobe and also Jennifer's horrible pants and head turban. From his videos, Adam's been seen in much more interesting performance threads than these. |
| GratefulFan 08.07.2012 19:21 |
The spiky shoulder leather at least is a recycle from Adam a couple of years ago. link Nothing I've yet seen struck me as unusual for him...they all seem pretty typical and at least thematically familiar so far. |
| queenUSA 08.07.2012 20:20 |
Grateful! It is quite frightening how you locate these Items so quickly. Don't get me wrong I like black clothing but it does get tiresome even with metal spikes. What's the point of being young like Adam, and not showing more skin? |
| someonewholikesadam 08.07.2012 20:41 |
Adam loves fashion and costumes. He quite frequently "recycles" clothing from an earlier time. You can be assured that most of his onstage clothing picks are his own. And one of the things we love about him is that he always surprises us withi his outrageous and, yes, sometimes ridiculous choices. He quite simply doesn't give a f*** what anyone says or thinks in this regard. As far as showing some skin, we Adam fans nearly went into convulsions when he wore shorts for the first time at a concert this summer. Believe it not, he is quite modest about showing skin onstage. When he had bare arms and shorts on at the same time, we simultaneously spontaneously orgasmed. |
| emrabt 08.07.2012 21:06 |
Adam loves fashion and costumes. He quite frequently "recycles" clothing from an earlier time. You can be assured that most of his onstage clothing picks are his own. And one of the things we love about him is that he always surprises us withi his outrageous and, yes, sometimes ridiculous choices. He quite simply doesn't give a f*** what anyone says or thinks in this regard. As far as showing some skin, we Adam fans nearly went into convulsions when he wore shorts for the first time at a concert this summer. Believe it not, he is quite modest about showing skin onstage. When he had bare arms and shorts on at the same time, we simultaneously spontaneously orgasmed. ========================= I'm sorry but that is the creepiest thing i have ever read, you talk like you are all one connected entity. |
| someonewholikesadam 08.07.2012 21:19 |
Your point is? |
| someonewholikesadam 08.07.2012 21:25 |
I see you took me quite literally. If I would have said it was raining cats and dogs, would you have declared cruelty to animals? |
| Sheer Brass Neck 08.07.2012 22:42 |
No, but there is a weirdness in the collective mindset that Glamberts have. People in QZ think that Hot Space sucked, or the Miracle was poorly produced or that Freddie was mailing his songwriting in around the AKOM period. It's accepted, or debated. For you, Adam Lambert can do no wrong. That's fucked up, because as an artist, and frontman, he is about 1/100th of the quality of Freddie Mercury, and here, Freddie's fuck ups are debated and celebrated. |
| someonewholikesadam 09.07.2012 06:55 |
I disagree that we think Adam can do no wrong. I wasn't crazy about his EMA nor his Kiev performances. His AMA debut in the US was horrific. Most fans agreed on that! But overall we are in love with the guy. And not just for his voice. He is an all around great guy from what I can see and he is soooo much fun to be a fan of because you never know what to expect. Unfortunately, in this fandom Adam can do no right. |
| someonewholikesadam 09.07.2012 06:57 |
On our fan boards Adam's fuckups ARE debated and celebrated so I don't from where you get your info. |
| Micrówave 09.07.2012 10:04 |
Musicians often cultivate a dynamic stage persona by filling their shows with multiple costume changes, elaborate choreography, and family-vacation slideshows. |
| Vocal harmony 09.07.2012 14:52 |
Micrówave wrote: Musicians often cultivate a dynamic stage persona by filling their shows with multiple costume changes .Didn't Freddie, and Brian, to a less extent do just that during the mid 70's? In fact I remember one review headline asking. Was it a fashion show or a concert? |
| shamar 09.07.2012 16:30 |
ptr wrote: Is there anyone who would want to cooperate on petition against this terrible thing? Brian on his sites writes, that he get just positive reactions.... Do you really believe that they care? They don't. They do what they won't and not listen to fans. Especially old fans. How many times they promised archive stuff? How many times people asked about it? They don't care of old fans coz they smells new ones. Lamb teenie fans... |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.07.2012 21:41 |
A musician should only care about him/herself and have fun. That's about it. Fans are IDIOTS. Absolute brainless morons. No band should ever listen to their fans. |
| YAFF 09.07.2012 21:51 |
ptr wrote: Have anyone of you read that completely??? Its NOT against current concerts! Its NOT against planned concerts in London... Im just worried about things which sadly can happen - have you heard what crazy thing Brian said at the Moscow airport (about Lamberts voice) - that he never ever heard such a great voice? Have you read latest interview with Lambert that he would be positive about working on new stuff with Brian and Roger? Do you want to se live DVD with Lambert and then regular concert tour? Im not interested in mobile phone recordings from concert, but the first show was recorded, filmed and broadcasted in quality which is really good for review... That concert in Kiev was just disaster, nothing else. I agree with the commentary that was written here on QZ - amateur recordings from Queen Extravaganza sounds better than this rubbish! And then - Brian's commentary on his website looks like from another planet. You are happy that you have a singer who has a range... But range means NOTHING... You have to be able to control it... Lambert? He fails! His tone in high notes is just awful (Who Wants To Live Forever is great example). He cant use power in his voice without vibrato... Vibrato should be a "bonus", something that you add into some notes in particular parts of songs.. His singing improvisations "added" into the songs (for example at the beginning of I Want It All) are really... disgusting. Its all about tone of his voice and vibrato completely out of control...The petition idea is pointless. Sorry, they wouldn't care. Too rich and aloof to care about fans. I do agree with most of your post. Brian must be suffering from the onset of dementia and Roger is just a greedy prick. Freddie would probably be appalled at the circus "Queen" has become since 1995 |
| radiogugu 10.07.2012 00:54 |
YAFF wrote:Brian and Roger performed on American Idol. It doesnt get worse than thatptr wrote: Have anyone of you read that completely??? Its NOT against current concerts! Its NOT against planned concerts in London... Im just worried about things which sadly can happen - have you heard what crazy thing Brian said at the Moscow airport (about Lamberts voice) - that he never ever heard such a great voice? Have you read latest interview with Lambert that he would be positive about working on new stuff with Brian and Roger? Do you want to se live DVD with Lambert and then regular concert tour? Im not interested in mobile phone recordings from concert, but the first show was recorded, filmed and broadcasted in quality which is really good for review... That concert in Kiev was just disaster, nothing else. I agree with the commentary that was written here on QZ - amateur recordings from Queen Extravaganza sounds better than this rubbish! And then - Brian's commentary on his website looks like from another planet. You are happy that you have a singer who has a range... But range means NOTHING... You have to be able to control it... Lambert? He fails! His tone in high notes is just awful (Who Wants To Live Forever is great example). He cant use power in his voice without vibrato... Vibrato should be a "bonus", something that you add into some notes in particular parts of songs.. His singing improvisations "added" into the songs (for example at the beginning of I Want It All) are really... disgusting. Its all about tone of his voice and vibrato completely out of control...The petition idea is pointless. Sorry, they wouldn't care. Too rich and aloof to care about fans. I do agree with most of your post. Brian must be suffering from the onset of dementia and Roger is just a greedy prick. Freddie would probably be appalled at the circus "Queen" has become since 1995 |
| radiogugu 10.07.2012 00:55 |
jazzy mercurois wrote: A musician should only care about him/herself and have fun. That's about it. Fans are IDIOTS. Absolute brainless morons. No band should ever listen to their fans.you are just a butthurt glambert fan |
| john bodega 10.07.2012 01:58 |
"On our fan boards Adam's fuckups ARE debated and celebrated" Well you'll never be short of material, then. |
| radiogugu 10.07.2012 02:49 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "On our fan boards Adam's fuckups ARE debated and celebrated" Well you'll never be short of material, then.It is so sad seeing glamteenie fans cluttering queen forums. As if they were queen fans before. Adams career has nosedived, face it. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 10.07.2012 11:50 |
radiogugu wrote:See? You're such a basic creature.jazzy mercurois wrote: A musician should only care about him/herself and have fun. That's about it. Fans are IDIOTS. Absolute brainless morons. No band should ever listen to their fans.you are just a butthurt glambert fan I pity you. |
| AdamMethos 10.07.2012 12:08 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: On our fan boards Adam's fuckups ARE debated and celebrated so I don't from where you get your info.So on the AL fanboards, his fans discuss him more objectively; but outside of that community, his fans act like unofficial publicists, saying only good things about him and trying to silence anyone who says differently? |
| someonewholikesadam 10.07.2012 13:20 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "On our fan boards Adam's fuckups ARE debated and celebrated" Well you'll never be short of material, then.You do make me laugh! But, surprisingly, Adam has surprisingly few fuckups in our eyes. What is different in our fanbase is we are friendly and supportive of each other and Adam. So even when there is a fuckup ala the AMA performance, we find humor in it and the positive and still support Adam. Life is too short to be as negative and critical as you all are on this board. It's only music guys. It's supposed to be joyful so lighten up! And I fully expect to get a shitload of crap about this post :) |
| someonewholikesadam 10.07.2012 13:21 |
AdamMethos wrote:Yes.someonewholikesadam wrote: On our fan boards Adam's fuckups ARE debated and celebrated so I don't from where you get your info.So on the AL fanboards, his fans discuss him more objectively; but outside of that community, his fans act like unofficial publicists, saying only good things about him and trying to silence anyone who says differently? |
| john bodega 10.07.2012 15:42 |
"You do make me laugh!" That was kind of the point! Not every damn post needs a :) at the end to carry some levity. I do tend to forget how grim the written word can look sometimes, though. |
| shamar 10.07.2012 16:45 |
"Petition against Q+AL" Really? May and Taylor don't listen to fans so it's "wrong turn". the best way is not buying anything from Queen. |
| cacatua 10.07.2012 20:31 |
ptr wrote: Brian on his sites writes, that he get just positive reactions.... So email Brian. He has a public email address. Tell him you think his little Queen tour sucks, but if his feedback there is anything like the comments at Save Me FB, the negative ones disappear. |
| GratefulFan 10.07.2012 22:23 |
Brian has handled criticism in such a way over the years that few would bother. He's absolutely guaranteed to get a skewed view of what the whole thinks. But whatever. It has to please and inspire them first, because the one sure worse thing than Adam Lambert up there would be having Queen up there for cynical reasons and with little belief and emotional investment in their own show. |
| cacatua 10.07.2012 23:10 |
There is a fair amount of staff standing between Brian and the public, and email goes through them so who knows what gets weeded out? He doesn't just rattle around that old house out there by himself. I like Adam, though I am not unconditionally crazy about him, and I love Brian to pieces, and I really do want this little Experiment to work out for them. I don't think Adam is as soulless in his delivery as is often credited to him here, and I also think he jumped into this without a great deal of preparation and has been playing catch-up. You could say that about the whole thing, which seems somewhat uncharacteristic of Brian who seems to like to be well prepared for things, but he has so many irons in the fire these days...... There are some songs like I Want It All that I just don't see Adam doing, and I absolutely cringe when he does do it, and I think they really need two singers, Adam for the high end and someone else to handle the gutsier low-end songs, with some overlap. It seems to me that it would be a compliment to Freddie that it takes at least two other singers to attempt what he did. |
| Daniel Nester 10.07.2012 23:37 |
Grateful, you just don't make sense when you explain yourself. Maybe Holly can help. Keep trying, though. |
| GratefulFan 11.07.2012 00:12 |
Thanks for the encouragement Fester. Always inspiring to see an educator so invested in intellectual bullying. ;) |
| someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 00:27 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "You do make me laugh!" That was kind of the point! Not every damn post needs a :) at the end to carry some levity. I do tend to forget how grim the written word can look sometimes, though.Are you making fun of my :)? :'( |
| Holly2003 14.07.2012 05:20 |
GratefulFan wrote: Thanks for the encouragement Fester. Always inspiring to see an educator so invested in intellectual bullying. ;) lol! Didn't see this until today. Nestor really is following you around like some sad internet stalker. For someone who boasts in almost every topic that he's an academic, you might think this kind of anti-intellectual bullying would ring a few alarm bells, but I guess his mega ego won't let him stop digging the hole he's in. Must be half way to China by now, the silly sod. |
| Daniel Nester 14.07.2012 14:53 |
Greetings from China! I'm a regular 4chan, aren't I? |
| GratefulFan 14.07.2012 16:44 |
Holly2003 wrote: For someone who boasts in almost every topic that he's an academic, you might think this kind of anti-intellectual bullying would ring a few alarm bells, but I guess his mega ego won't let him stop digging the hole he's in. Must be half way to China by now, the silly sod.Yes it's very difficult to understand. Impenetrable really. An asshole, wrapped in a douche bag, inside insufferable pretention. |
| Missreclusive 14.07.2012 19:38 |
Holly2003 wrote:LOL@Holly and GratefulGratefulFan wrote: Thanks for the encouragement Fester. Always inspiring to see an educator so invested in intellectual bullying. ;)lol! Didn't see this until today. Nestor really is following you around like some sad internet stalker. For someone who boasts in almost every topic that he's an academic, you might think this kind of anti-intellectual bullying would ring a few alarm bells, but I guess his mega ego won't let him stop digging the hole he's in. Must be half way to China by now, the silly sod. |
| Nought Space 15.07.2012 07:52 |
This is just leveraging the wrong message. |
| mooghead 15.07.2012 14:57 |
Just tuned into the thread for the first time in ages... how is the petition doing? |
| FatBumGirl 16.07.2012 02:27 |
A petition??!!!! HAAAA!!!! Hilarious! :D You sad, sad fuckers! |
| deleted user 05.02.2013 11:13 |
I deeply love Adam Lambert and really hope Queen collaborates with him again. He honors Freddie in more than one way. Adam is gay, and Queen still suffers from the ""shame"" of Freddie's gay lifestyle (Sarah Palin's Wasilla Alaska, for instance). Brian and Roger's choice fof Adam was brilliant. Hopefully he returns. Freddie must be smiling at the very best honoring of him through this magnificcent person. |
| Missreclusive 05.02.2013 14:38 |
LOL... I love presumptions. No..I do not love AL...he hurts my eyes and ears. |
