QueenZone discussion #1316174

david (galashiels) wrote: one point i may be wrong about,did brian completley forget the words to tie your mum down???

shanoon wrote: way better than Rodgers first show with Queen

shanoon wrote: way better than Rodgers first show with Queen

Zebonka12 wrote: Comparisons to Freddie are meaningless. He was an unknown, playing with other unknowns. What he was when he started out was not what the public heard when the band finally made it big. Lambert is not new at this. He's been singing for a long time. For him to screw around the way he was at the gig was pretty inexcusable. Honest, the show was better than I thought it would be, but really I think a lot of that was down to Roger and Brian. When Adam concentrated on the music, his contribution was very good. He just needs to understand that he's there to serve the songs, and dick around a lot less. I'll be interested to hear how the next shows go.

jazzy mercurois wrote: pittrek is an idiot

the dude 1366 wrote: I just came back from final night of Queen Extravaganza. After watching the Q AL thing, Martel and Jeff Scott Soto make Adam Lambert look like a true amateur. If JSS and Marc Martel were with Brian and Roger it would be a huge improvement.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Can someone post a video of someone whom they LIKE singing with Queen?

someonewholikesadam wrote: Can someone post a video of someone whom they LIKE singing with Queen?

someonewholikesadam wrote: Nice voice, but if I sat thru a 20 song set with him in concert I'd probably fall asleep. And if you sit Adam on a stool with just a piano and had him that song I bet he'd sound just as good if not much better. Adam is a complete package for a "show."

AdamMethos wrote: Music touches our hearts and souls -- or not. Analysis of Adam's (or Freddie's) vocal prowess is just a way that we try to justify what we like; it doesn't determine what we like.

GratefulFan wrote: Unless Adam really, really curtailed his usual instincts he would utterly destroy the soul of LOML in my opinion. I actually said that before I think in response to a video you posted of him singing a ballad - I snottily (that seems to be my only gear with Lambert lol) said that "I couldn't wait to hear those instincts applied to Love of My Life". I think what is "show" to a lot of Glamberts is often gratuitous and slightly embarrassing vocal and visual gymnastics to some others.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Holly, my point exactly. Nice voice, but if I sat thru a 20 song set with him in concert I'd probably fall asleep. And if you sit Adam on a stool with just a piano and had him that song I bet he'd sound just as good if not much better. Adam is a complete package for a "show."

Michael wrote: My opinion? Queen have now totally tarnished their legacy. First it was that ridiculous "We Will Rock You" musical, then the talent show that is "Queen Extravaganza", now an American idol finalist as their lead singer? Oh, come on!

brunogorski wrote: I was loving the fact that everybody was using Caps Lock to support the creator of the topic, why did you guys just stopped?!

AdamMethos wrote: Ack! Please tell me QZ is not going to get a hoarde of Glamberts trying to browbeat people into accepting AL. I joined QZ instead of QOL to get away from that!

jazzy mercurois wrote: Silly people only see things in black and white.

gerry wrote: Do NOT like Adam Lambert rubbing shoulders with Taylor and May, he is not worthy of been 100 miles from these rock gods. He just got lucky some how, cos hes just a wanna be. i wish Brian and Rog would stop fetching little people on to the satge with them. why cant Brian and Roger, make an album by themselves and record there fav songs over the last 50 years, instead of wasting time with that arrogant yank Lambert. No one is more worthy than Freddie to be Queens lead singer. i will NEVER buy anything with lamberts silly voice on it. Come on Queen fans, if you love Fred as much as i do, then reject lambert like a kidney patient getting a new kidney! Gerald Gillies, Hartlepool.

cacatua wrote: missreclusive said: If they have to have a little person on stage with them, Martel is a better fit. For one thing, he wont upstage Brian and Roger, they would shine far more than they do with AL.No, Brian and Roger just don't want to take part in their own tribute band with an imitation FM. They have both been enthusiastic about AL since they first worked with him on Idol, and continue to be so.

tigrlily wrote: I watched the show, watched Adam warbling and trilling, and sorry, but I had to just go back to the REAL Queen clips! Wow! What a difference! The Russia show had all the bells and whistles, but what it lacked was a REAL rock star! Freddie Mercury! He made Queen songs come alive with his raw power! And John Deacon who was just perfect on bass. Brain and Roger were a treat to watch, but the Queen sound is just not right with anybody other than the 4 original Queens. Nothing against Adam Lambert, but he is just not a rock singer.

tigrlily wrote: And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages in response to their concerts before. Shoot me!

radiogugu wrote:

tigrlily wrote: And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages in response to their concerts before. Shoot me!

Lol, sure. The majority of Real queen fans (people who liked queen before lambert) dont like him. Actually the majority dont want to see anyone try to front queen, as freddie cant be replaced. Adam is a garbage, out of tune, oversinger, who has the worst vibrato iv ever heard

Missreclusive wrote:

radiogugu wrote:

tigrlily wrote: And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages in response to their concerts before. Shoot me!

Lol, sure. The majority of Real queen fans (people who liked queen before lambert) dont like him. Actually the majority dont want to see anyone try to front queen, as freddie cant be replaced. Adam is a garbage, out of tune, oversinger, who has the worst vibrato iv ever heard

I wish Brian and Roger would hear what WE hear. Obviously they don't or if they do, they are after the bubble gum crowd. Or, their egos wouldn't allow them to admit it. Either way, it's a shame.

tigrlily wrote: And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages in response to their concerts before. Shoot me!

QueenLing wrote: I just watched the Kiev show and it was just as bad (if not worse) than I ever imagined it could be. I would never, ever pay to see AL perform with Queen. After hearing Brian and Roger sing, I can understand how they feel they need a vocalist. They are just too old now - their voices have changed. Why can't they just give Marc Martel a chance? His voice is at times, as sweet as Freddies was. And he doesn't kill any of the songs.

GratefulFan wrote: While I'm sure many of the sentiments are genuine, it can't be forgotten how organized and determined Lambert's middle aged female fanbase is. They constantly bombard video views, polls, comment sections, etc. en masse and in coordinated and deliberate campaigns. Through multiple purchases of multiple copies of Tresspassing and massive gifting campaigns they got the album to number one. Of course that can't be sustained so it fell down the charts like a stone beginning week two and is currently at 137 I think in it's 7th week on the Billboard 200. Here's them trying to manipulate the UK Charts: link And that is just one fan board. These efforts are echoed all over the internet at other boards and at a dedicated chart and sales manipulation site called adamlambertstorm.com. Fanaticism meets middle aged buying power as I've said. Nobody seems to stop and ask themselves if it's even ethical to take it to this degree. Anyway, all this to say that a coordinated Brian May email bomb can't be ruled out, along with the independent and spontaneous praise of the collaboration.

tero! 48531 wrote: What's wrong with all that, when the Queen fans are equally happy to manipulate the charts by starting weird mp3 buying campaigns... The only difference is that Adam has more fans, and they are more dedicated than the Queen fans. But using the soapbox as any indicator of support is just wrong... I can guarantee that this collaboration has also caused more negative feedback than ever before, but he just doesn't get to see it!

Missreclusive wrote:

radiogugu wrote:

tigrlily wrote: And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages in response to their concerts before. Shoot me!

Lol, sure. The majority of Real queen fans (people who liked queen before lambert) dont like him. Actually the majority dont want to see anyone try to front queen, as freddie cant be replaced. Adam is a garbage, out of tune, oversinger, who has the worst vibrato iv ever heard

I wish Brian and Roger would hear what WE hear. Obviously they don't or if they do, they are after the bubble gum crowd. Or, their egos wouldn't allow them to admit it. Either way, it's a shame.

GratefulFan wrote:

In two and a half years here I've seen one person try to organize a campaign to get BoRhap to number one, for Christmas I think. The response was pretty much "no, that's stupid". When people post polls and such to vote Freddie number one for this or that they are largely ignored. As far as I know Queen fans don't dedicate entire evenings to voting in polls, clicking on videos over and over and over just to fudge the numbers, leaving scores and scores of comments everywhere, and then come back to QZ to breathlessly report on their tour of duty. When 'The Unblinking Eye' was released people either downloaded it or they didn't. Encouraging fellow fellow fans to buy something or other and being enthusiastic about the success as a group is one thing, and what the Glamberts do is entirely another. Buying 20, 30, 50 copies of something or other, trying to manipulate the charts in another country, etc. - and doing so on a relentless, constant basis - is not behaviour that I consider typical of any music fan I've ever seen in decades of being a music nut myself.

I guess I'm stupid. I really didn't think that they would pad the numbers, spending money, time, energy like that to boost AL. I guess it makes sense if enough of them are that maniacal (sp?) Anyway, I also didn't realize that his fanbase was made up of middle aged women! wtf? I'm wanting to toss on that thought. Am I naive? I have now gone to the latest YT's, granted I can only watch and listen to only so much but I'm not finding him any more talented or appealing or suited to Queens songs. I want to SCREAM ..what are B and R thinking?

tigrlily wrote:

Missreclusive wrote:

radiogugu wrote:

tigrlily wrote: And yet, Brian May on his soapbox writes that he he has never received as many inspiring and encouraging messages

Missreclusive is right. Perhaps we should send Brian a link to this topic?

I would do it but would like to know that he gets it. Probably wont make a difference with ego involved but mayyybe in the middle of the night he would wake up and think about it. You never know, after all, he is human.

Zebonka12 wrote: "The majority of Real queen fans (people who liked queen before lambert) dont like him" You make us sound like hipsters! There are many real reasons for not liking Q+AL. While I don't think it's necessary to shoot Lambert down completely (he does well in his own milieu) I just reckon his fans are being remarkably forgiving about his fuckups. I guess that's what fans or for, but being musically minded I don't like that way of thinking. Fans (or close friends) just turning up to a gig and applauding everything you do is fucking terrible. You can never gauge how things are going with your music. It's why the freaking Beatles quit gigging - what's the point when the response is always going to be the same? So Lambert's fans, if you ask me, aren't doing him any favours by pretending he's perfect, or even a close fit - because he ain't. The shows haven't been without merit on his part (there are parts of Who Wants To Live Forever where he shows the sensitivity required for music of this stature) and it's great hearing Roger and Brian again. But I mean, come on... far from fucking perfect.

GratefulFan wrote: Shoot me!

GratefulFan wrote: In two and a half years here I've seen one person try to organize a campaign to get BoRhap to number one, for Christmas I think. The response was pretty much "no, that's stupid". When people post polls and such to vote Freddie number one for this or that they are largely ignored. As far as I know Queen fans don't dedicate entire evenings to voting in polls, clicking on videos over and over and over just to fudge the numbers, leaving scores and scores of comments everywhere, and then come back to QZ to breathlessly report on their tour of duty. When 'The Unblinking Eye' was released people either downloaded it or they didn't. Encouraging fellow fellow fans to buy something or other and being enthusiastic about the success as a group is one thing, and what the Glamberts do is entirely another. Buying 20, 30, 50 copies of something or other, trying to manipulate the charts in another country, etc. - and doing so on a relentless, constant basis - is not behaviour that I consider typical of any music fan I've ever seen in decades of being a music nut myself.

Zebonka12 wrote: "the majority aren't forgiving his fuckups because they don't view them as such" Well I won't be party to wilful musical ignorance. I've acknowledged that he's done better than a lot of people thought he would, but he's also made more than what I'd say is an acceptable number of clunkers for what is supposed to be a world-class band. I don't see anyone going easy on the Led Zeppelin set at Live Aid, and I love those guys. It was a mess, big deal! Sorry, but I can't see why different standards should apply to this schmuck. I don't believe in the musical handicap you people have put in place.

tero! 48531 wrote: I'm pretty sure someone was organising a campaign for You And I just recently. And there was one for Don't Stop Me Now because it's apparently the best seller on iTunes or something. (We shouldn't even get started on buying multiple copies of the same album when there are "stamp collectors" with dozens of virtually identical Queen releases from different countries etc.) The fact is that there are such campaigns in the Queen world, but there aren't enough fans interested in them to make any noticeable difference. Should we take that as a positive sign of integrity, or a negative sign of waning interest?

someonewholikesadam wrote: Thank you, GF. I think that is a compliment to the fanbase. I personally do not participate in the buying of multiple CDs to boost sales. I will confess to voting more than once in contests just for the hell of it. You have to admit, though, there is a pretty small group of hardcore fans that contribute to the mass buying efforts, not enough to greatly skew the numbers. Adam has over 1.5 million followers on twitter alone. He has an enormous fanbase. So his music does well on its own merits.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Very interesting data GF. I don't study it like you do. I just know what I know from being in the fandom and a frequenter of a few fan sites. I disagree that the fan dynamic is "somehow rooted in television." I never even watched American Idol before Adam. My mom told me to tune in one night and happened to catch Adam's performance. I was instantly hooked and tuned in every week just to see him, started googling and was enthralled with all his pre-Idol work. Then I started watching every interview that he gave and fell even more in love. Many fans I know have similar stories. Many did not watch AI but upon discovering him, rewatched the AI performances. It has nothing to do with TV and all to do with Adam, the performer and the man. There is a book entitled, "The Meaning of Adam Lambert" that may shed some light. Also, I found this article soon after I thought I was the only middle-aged loony googling a 29 yr old gay guy.     Let's talk images. A snake. A butterfly. A young man with his shirt unbuttoned to his waist, pouting at the camera. Lots of chest stubble. Alone, each image is rather boring. Put them together, and what you have is a hotter-than-Johnny Depp new Rolling Stone cover of American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert. The 27-year-old dude who made guyliner fashionable again gave an interview to the magazine confirming—big surprise—that he's gay. What's really surprising: I can't stop thinking about him. And neither can any of my cougar-aged friends. We love Adam, truly, madly, deeply, in a kind of weirdly Mrs. Robinson sexual way. And the reason doesn't just have to do with our past lives as professional groupies. It also has something to do with biology. Just a few short months ago, most of my female friends and I were clueless about Adam Lambert. We're busy, professional women, some of us with demanding families and children, all of us with demanding jobs. We never spent our Tuesday nights in front of the TV. Yet this year, for slightly more than two months, phone calls went unanswered and any type of social or familial interactions were put on hold on so we could plop ourselves in front of our sets at 8 p.m. to watch American Idol, the No. 1 rated show on TV, which none of us had ever bothered with before. It started innocently enough: A friend, waylaid by a flu bug, was channel-surfing from the comfort of her couch one Tuesday evening and saw a bejeweled young thing singing a scorching rendition of Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire." She left us phone messages and tweets, saying, and I quote, "ohmygawdyouhavetoseethisemoglambowielovechildonAmericanIdol." We went, "Huh," but we tuned in the following week. And then we were gone. My seemingly well-adjusted posse, myself included, morphed into archetypal Adam Lambert fangirls. We became Glamberts, besotted with the leather and rhinestones, the perfectly smudgy guyliner, the emo coal-colored coif and, oh, yeah, the preternatural vocal range. When we got together, we no longer talked about good books, North Korea or the recession. We talked about all things Lambert. We became the thing that we normally despise: a cougar court that fell into a gentle loin lust with a man young enough to be our son. And a gay one, to boot. In terms of biology, Adam Lambert's attractiveness is kind of bizarre. Some research shows that women like square jaws and deep brows—iconic masculine traits—when they're looking for a fling. But we like more feminine traits when we're looking for The One, the long-term mate. Lambert has a little bit of both going on for him, as anyone who saw his version of Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love" can attest. When we aren't laughing at our patheticness (because, let's get real, even if Lambert were straight or gave in to some bi-curiosity, he would never be interested in us), we are actually ruminative enough to wonder what it is about this fellow that turned us into such loons. One thing we know for sure is that we are not alone. There are thousands of women of a certain age out there who are just one Adam Lambert Google search away from crashing their computers. The good news is that people who know about these things think that our little Lambert love-fest is downright mentally healthy. "I think more women would be happier if they channeled their inner 14-year-old girls once in a while," says sex therapist Laura Berman, director of the Berman Center in Chicago. She's always been fascinated with the Clay Aiken phenomenon, that of girls going crazy for a seemingly sweet, innocent-looking boy-man (Aiken is now, like Lambert, out and proud). While Aiken may be the ultimate "safe zone," Lambert, she believes, somehow managed to be "hardcore, crazy, humble, adorable, charismatic, sweet and mind-blowingly talented," all in one package. "He's a study in contrasts, and the gay thing doesn't matter," she says. "Anyone who can get women to talk, giggle and get their mojo back is fine by me. Enjoy the ride." Indeed we will. But it still begs the question exactly why our mojo leaned more toward Lambert than toward cute-as-a-button Kris Allen, the eventual winner of the competition, a young man whom Lambert admitted to having a little crush on. Part of the Lambert allure is that some women find his onstage lack of inhibition a powerful aphrodisiac. According to psychoanalyst Dr. Gail Saltz, we all have a little touch of the voyeur inside of us, but it's often repressed. Then along comes Lambert, and those voyeuristic floodgates open. "Here's a guy who is a maximum exhibitionist, molten hot, can sing anything and is screaming, 'Look at me,' and for some women, that's an incredible turn-on," says Saltz, author of The Ripple Effect: How Better Sex Can Lead to a Better Life. It may also go back to our childhood, as all things psychoanalytic seem to do. According to Saltz, buried deep inside all of us is the childhood desire to be able to have everything and anything, whenever you want. So part of our fascination with Mr. Lambert is that we may want to be like him. "[Lambert] is the poster child for having it all," says Saltz, associate professor of psychiatry at the New York Presbyterian Hospital Weill-Cornell School of Medicine. "Men want him, women want him, and that ambiguity is as hot as hell." But my friends and I also think it may be something more. We were once slam-dancing to the beat of The Clash and The Sex Pistols. We weren't the girls who liked The Eagles, we liked The Buzzcocks. But today, our lives are dictated by the confines of appropriateness. So maybe we just want to be like Lambert; hey, even his wardrobe is better than mine. For other women of a certain age out there who are having little Lambert crushes of their own, sex therapist Wendy Maltz, founder of healthysex.com, suggests that we think about what's going on with our relationships in our lives. For her book, Private Thoughts: Exploring the Power of Women's Sexual Fantasies, Maltz interviewed scores of women to determine where sexual fantasies come from and what you can do about them. Maltz says that our connection with Lambert may be the wake-up call we need to be more playful, to have more fun and yes, to try to become a little more brave and confident. "There's something very wonderful about someone who can say, 'Accept me or don't accept me,'" Maltz says. "We tend to lose that as we get older."  So how's this for bravery? I'm actually thinking about going to the Idol tour this year. I might be one of the only fans over the age of … ummmm, 40-something, but I bet I can still shriek louder than any of Adam's tween groupies.

someonewholikesadam wrote: I disagree that the fan dynamic is "somehow rooted in television." I never even watched American Idol before Adam. My mom told me to tune in one night and happened to catch Adam's performance. I was instantly hooked and tuned in every week just to see him, started googling and was enthralled with all his pre-Idol work. Then I started watching every interview that he gave and fell even more in love. Many fans I know have similar stories. Many did not watch AI but upon discovering him, rewatched the AI performances. It has nothing to do with TV and all to do with Adam, the performer and the man.

GratefulFan wrote: You're talking about anecdotes and I'm talking about a culture. Stamp collectors are completist hobbyists who amass their albums over years for a personal purpose. Nutty Lambert fans buy 20 or 50 or whatever of the identical thing and get mad when Wal-Mart doesn't have enough of them on the shelf to Hoover up all at once, prompting scathing complaints to corporate. If you believe you're comparing apples with apples, knock yourself out. I tried. :) I've lurked on and off in the Lambert fan community for years and I assure you there is nothing easily comparable to the fandoms souffled in the Idol kitchen.

Tarabostes wrote: Let's be honest , all these discussions about how talented or not is Adam Lambert or how suited is he to front Queen are roars of homophobia(most of them).

Tarabostes wrote: Tarabostes Really, tigrlily!!! I'm trying and trying to remember where on earth did I read an article, something about FM being a fraud singer? The climax of the whole idiocy , he surely was because , look he even changed his real name!!! The person was wondering whether the moustache was a fake or not. A real fan or what! If you have the curiosity and patience to read most of the comments on Adam's performances , you can't miss some aggressive , abusive ones. All are entitled to their opinion, but let's try not to replace rational discussions with hate and imprecations . I am aware that Adam is not everybody's cup of tea , but some of the comments here only prove a gross lack of musical knowledge poor judgement or....homophobia? ex. the so often mentioned vibrato, used by AL only when he wants the song to be more dramatic.

Tarabostes wrote: Tarabostes How lucky we are! A bunch of idiots were singing with and applauding "a very poor imitation", and we, here are writing bombastic "essays" full of stereotypes.

GratefulFan wrote: What the comments here reveal more than anything is a lack of tolerance for opinions that don't match those of Lambert supporters. "Homophobia" is just one of the endless irritating diagnoses handed out by people who can't hack criticism they don't agree with. Lambert detractors largely ignore the collective you on this topic, and the collective you can't leave us alone.

Vocal harmony wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: What the comments here reveal more than anything is a lack of tolerance for opinions that don't match those of Lambert supporters. "Homophobia" is just one of the endless irritating diagnoses handed out by people who can't hack criticism they don't agree with. Lambert detractors largely ignore the collective you on this topic, and the collective you can't leave us alone.

This from the person who told me to shove a sock in it when I questioned the fact that they were sitting through the first Hammersmith show on their laptop or whatever, even though they didn't think much of it or Adam Lambert. Taking pot shots at the performance. Tolerance for opinions. . . . . . Really?

GratefulFan wrote: Sense of humour failure for sure. And it wasn't an opinion so much VH as it was a peevish, passive-aggressive little outburst about my use of my own time.(!) What it really deserved was to be ignored, but thoughtfully I told you to stuff a sock in it instead. :)

GratefulFan wrote: Sense of humour failure for sure. And it wasn't an opinion so much VH as it was a peevish, passive-aggressive little outburst about my use of my own time.(!) What it really deserved was to be ignored, but thoughtfully I told you to stuff a sock in it instead. :)

GratefulFan wrote: Sense of humour failure for sure. And it wasn't an opinion so much VH as it was a peevish, passive-aggressive little outburst about my use of my own time.(!) What it really deserved was to be ignored, but thoughtfully I told you to stuff a sock in it instead. :)