| purplepiepete 23.06.2012 20:12 |
over the yrs i hear brian and roger being nice and saying john is out of the music business and wants to just do his own thing. fair enough. they've been asked if they are in contact with john and i get the impression that they aren't. in fact i get the impression there is no personal contact either in person or via phone between john and the other two. could be wrong of course. however it just doesn't seem all above board to me. sure its none of my business but i don't care coz i wanna know! i get the impression that there is no friendship left with john. it doesn't seem normal, you spend so long together and share all those experiences with eachother, yet a wall goes up between them. brian said something once that hinted to me that john had a bit of a breakdown after freddie died? so because of that, he is now a complete loon! why would you not be friends with someone like roger and brian anymore? |
| purplepiepete 23.06.2012 20:18 |
PART TWO. obviously we don't know what it was like in a mega band like queen. who knows what was said between them over the years maybe the others always hated john and loved to beat him up after each gig? it just seems really odd to me. i wish brian or roger would state what is happening with their relationship with john. saying he has 'retired' from music isn't enough for me anyway. do they actually mean 'retarded' from music instead? the fact he doesn't seem to be in touch with the other two and doesn't turn up with rog and bri anywhere, gets the suspicions up, doesn't it? thats the funny bit, him never being around, never hearing from him. i've nothing against john wanting privacy, i simply want more of an explanation about the whole thing. something believable! damn it! i've bought all the queen records many times over during my life, plus the posters and t.shirts, i demand an explanation!!! |
| john bodega 23.06.2012 23:01 |
"so because of that, he is now a complete loon!" Complete loon? How old are you, anyway?? |
| Biggzy10 23.06.2012 23:52 |
John had huge respect for Freddie. And continuing Queen wasn't right in his eyes. He knows that no one can replace Freddie or really front Queen again for that matter. I think it all has to do with respect for Freddie. I respect John for ending the journey for himself. It shows how much he loved Freddie and valued him. |
| Heavenite 24.06.2012 00:35 |
I thought I'd heard that they are in occasional contact with John because of his continuing rights in terms of the business. I too am sorry that John is no longer part of Queen, but he has moved on. Sadly I doubt he will be back either. He just doesn't seem to be the sort to me. |
| Tommilaiho 24.06.2012 01:31 |
I do get the impression that they are in contact with john. In fact , they have to be, 'cause of the bussiness. In the band Freddie pretty much took John under his wings and gave him more courage to write more songs and be more active in the band. As much as I love Brian and Roger, I give a lot of respect for John , for not going along with Queen if he feels like it's not really ok. I like seeing brian and oger playing live, but if that's the way John feels, then he did the right thing. |
| purplepiepete 24.06.2012 01:32 |
oh i just thought he'd gone mad and put a teapot on his head, as one does. i find it all a bit strange. does he have to be part of queen? no. can he have a private life? yes. to me it just feels a bit strange, tis all. when other guys retire there are always the odd siting here and there. age? 53. its a pity that things like sarcasm and humour doesn't always transfer well thru the printed word. |
| mooghead 24.06.2012 02:21 |
If you had a massively successful career, be it in music, sport, finance, prostitution etc... and during that career you had close colleagues that mirrored your career and were always there would there be an obligation to stay in touch after you retired? Even 'telephone contact'? I dont think so to be honest. |
| cmsdrums 24.06.2012 02:52 |
What I find sad is that he actually retired from music totally. If he didn't think Queen could continue without Freddie then that's fair enough, but perhaps, only aged 43 by the time Made In Heaven was released, if he didn't want to play with Brian and Roger either as Queen or under a new name, could hold have then joined/formed another band - he could have done this purely for fun as he didn't need the money, and he could have gone down a soul or r 'n' b route to actually then play the style if music closest to his heart. It would have been really good to hear his fantastic bass playing in that kind of style full on fit a whole gig or album. He did obviously go through a very hard time personally and socially after Freddie's death and the result is that he became a sort of recluse. Yes the guys deal with him by email and letter in business decisions (perhaps Jim Beach sees him face to face?), but they have said in interviews that they simply haven't seen him in person for years. Very sad from a fans point of view, and I'm sure personally for them too. If he'd just come out every now and then for things like the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame presentation, Stormtroopers in Stilettos exhibition,, 40th anniversary releases etc then it would have been nice - then he's not being asked to play with other singers or record new albums under the Queen name, both of which he sees as disrespectful to Freddie, but he's purely recognising and celebrating what they created together and being acknowledged for his part in it. |
| whynot 24.06.2012 07:14 |
That's what Brian and Roger also should have done, retire from music, instead of performing under the name of " Queen" . |
| Holly2003 24.06.2012 07:25 |
cmsdrums wrote: What I find sad is that he actually retired from music totally. If he didn't think Queen could continue without Freddie then that's fair enough, but perhaps, only aged 43 by the time Made In Heaven was released, if he didn't want to play with Brian and Roger either as Queen or under a new name, could hold have then joined/formed another band - he could have done this purely for fun as he didn't need the money, and he could have gone down a soul or r 'n' b route to actually then play the style if music closest to his heart. It would have been really good to hear his fantastic bass playing in that kind of style full on fit a whole gig or album. He did obviously go through a very hard time personally and socially after Freddie's death and the result is that he became a sort of recluse. Yes the guys deal with him by email and letter in business decisions (perhaps Jim Beach sees him face to face?), but they have said in interviews that they simply haven't seen him in person for years. Very sad from a fans point of view, and I'm sure personally for them too. If he'd just come out every now and then for things like the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame presentation, Stormtroopers in Stilettos exhibition,, 40th anniversary releases etc then it would have been nice - then he's not being asked to play with other singers or record new albums under the Queen name, both of which he sees as disrespectful to Freddie, but he's purely recognising and celebrating what they created together and being acknowledged for his part in it. Well, musical recluse maybe. He has a large family and is probably enjoying family life away from the public eye. He's not a Syd Barrett-type recluse. Like you, I'm also disappointed he hasn't appeared for Queen anniversaries. IIRC Brian said he almost appeared at the Stormtroopers exhibition and then backed out at the last minute. It would've been nice to see him there. |
| Holly2003 24.06.2012 07:28 |
whynot wrote: That's what Brian and Roger also should have done, retire from music, instead of performing under the name of " Queen" . That's right, they should retire from music because you don't like a choice they made. Holy fuck. |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.06.2012 08:03 |
From what I've seen over the past few years, I can't blame John for not wanting to have anything to do with Brian and Roger. What they are doing professionally is, IMHO, embarrassing, and what little insight we gain into their private life suggests that they are not particularly nice people. |
| purplepiepete 24.06.2012 08:05 |
i'm glad they didn't retire from music. i don't see anything wrong with wanting to perform songs you've written in the past. plus its their jobs too. don't know why so many people have problems with others who become millionaire thru' their work either. i had no problem with calling themselves 'queen+paul rodgers', they couldn't exactly of called themselves 'roger taylor, brian may and paul rodgers', so many people wouldn't of known who they were. the 'queen experience' seems an ok name to tour with. yeah, i wonder what sort of things john fills his days with? |
| 12yrslouetta 24.06.2012 08:42 |
Didnt i read somewhere, a long time ago, that if Queen finished John Deacon said that hed retire. He had no interest in continuing in the music business. I couldve sworn i read that around the Works era. Im sure its around in the websphere somewhere. I may be waaaaay off of course. Anyway, i always got the feeling that John wasnt really in it for the glory and the fame. And after Freddie died it seemed the best point to bow out. As soon as Robbie Williams was introduced i think he felt, ok this is a new thing which i dont really want or need to be part of. |
| brENsKi 24.06.2012 10:12 |
whynot wrote: That's what Brian and Roger also should have done, retire from music, instead of performing under the name of " Queen" .i can't believe i am reading such drivel stop and think about it.... a company (and Queen were a PLC/limnited company - since 1978) does not cease trading because a major shareholder dies or retires.... companies OFTEN outlive their original shareholders. As it happens "Queen Ltd" still has two shareholders engaged in the day-to-day business and one sleeping partner (john)still taking his shareholder's dividends annually. now, on the other hand if you'd said "they shoulda stopped because there's no quality control, and most of what they produce these days is substandard"....well i'd still disagree with the principle but, agree with your reasoning |
| tero! 48531 24.06.2012 10:38 |
brENsKi wrote:I'd say it's equally sad when your argument for Brian and Roger continuing as Queen is based on the fact that they are shareholders of a legal company.whynot wrote: That's what Brian and Roger also should have done, retire from music, instead of performing under the name of " Queen" .i can't believe i am reading such drivel stop and think about it.... a company (and Queen were a PLC/limnited company - since 1978) does not cease trading because a major shareholder dies or retires.... companies OFTEN outlive their original shareholders. As it happens "Queen Ltd" still has two shareholders engaged in the day-to-day business and one sleeping partner (john)still taking his shareholder's dividends annually. now, on the other hand if you'd said "they shoulda stopped because there's no quality control, and most of what they produce these days is substandard"....well i'd still disagree with the principle but, agree with your reasoning Using that same logic, it would be perfectly acceptable to sell the company to Bill Gates and let him perform as Queen, because it's up to the shareholders to decide who is in the band... I can't even imagine where the company ends up once all the original members are dead. In my opinion the 20 years of recording career with the same exact line-up pretty much says who the band consist of, but it seems that just about everybody (including Brian and Roger) disagree. |
| matt z 24.06.2012 11:08 |
Probably getting a prostate exam. ;) Nah. I'm sure he's involved in life's contentment. Mr family man. That's a fulltime pursuit...and having the $$ to go out and live it, must be very enjoyable to him. Wish him well. I can guesstimate that he wouldn't attend a "stormtroopers in stilletos" function unless it was a RARE Q+A that focused on the bands career WITH FREDDIE... And that all questions were screened for anything reflective of his opinion on "Queen" after death.. He probably felt it was the right thing to do (stay home)...and probably showed up on a private tour if anything Anyways, John...I'd love to have one of your basses. They ARE kinda just collecting dust n all. ;) Bites the dust... |
| mooghead 24.06.2012 11:51 |
Queen Productions is a Limited Company not a PLC. |
| philip storey 24.06.2012 12:24 |
Brian and Roger can do as they wish,if we don't like it,its tuff.Deacy is missed for sure but it was his choice and we have to respect that. |
| splicksplack 25.06.2012 07:12 |
If they perform with another singer it would be mote accurate to call themselves Smile. They were 2 thirds of that band, only 1 half of Queen. |
| Daniel Nester 25.06.2012 07:43 |
"And continuing Queen wasn't right in his eyes." Does anyone have proof that John Deacon feels/felt this way? I mean, other than his single comment on record about the Queen + Robbie Williams WATC remake, I've never heard anything from Deacon about anything--musical, QPR, reissues, anything--about the last two decades of all things Queen. What I think has happened here in these fora/forums is that John Deacon becomes a convenient and effective person to invoke when someone doesn't favor anything Brian and/or Roger is doing. He's like a shapeshifter anyone here can turn into anything else for their own rhetorical purposes. No one can divine what John Deacon thinks, period. John Deacon would have wanted it that way. |
| Stelios 25.06.2012 07:56 |
I think John sould have said some things over the years. Its like creating an electric love affair and then steping away and disappear, leaving the other half (in our case, the funs) in question. John Deacon always took his distances from the Queen interaction.However a true gentleman would have made somekind of precense, even in a subtle, low profile manner. To withdraw in accute silence somehow dosen't honor the special relationsip these four people managed to gain with the world. |
| tero! 48531 25.06.2012 12:24 |
After thinking about this for a while, I've come up with a new theory for the longevity of the Queen line-up and John's subsequent retirement... My theory is that John wanted to leave long before Freddie died, but their business arrangement made it impractical. John quitting and leaving his replacement to be nothing more than a hired hand along with three high-paid executives would have ended the band in arguments within a year. He stuck out because of his sense of loyalty (especially towards Freddie) or maybe he was even coerced into it by the other members, but now that he has no reason to be in the band, he doesn't want to have anything to do with it. |
| mooghead 25.06.2012 15:49 |
Hmmm... I guess its a possibility but I think John is headstrong enough to quit if thats what he wanted at any stage of Queen. |
| brENsKi 25.06.2012 16:12 |
this has never been suggested before - suppose it almost heretical to pose the idea...but i think that "tero" has half a point here...it wasn't down to the business arrangement....i think he hung in there out of respect to Freddie.... consider the obvious facts: his song-writing credits (or co-credits) over that few years akom: 3 songs miracle: 4 songs innuendo: 1 song he was possibly ready to go before innuendo |
| Holly2003 25.06.2012 16:24 |
A nice theory except ... doesn't it say in the Days of our Lives documentary that John was really bored and at a loose end between the later Queen albums and he was always keen to get back into the studio. There's no need for wild speculation: John took Fred's death very badly and basically called time on his musical career. There is a suggestion that he and Roger had a bit of a fall out with Brian about Made in Heaven and I think he had just about had enough by that point. One more collaboration for No one But You and that was it. No big secret, just a gradual realisation that it was time for him to move out of the limelight. |
| Really John Deacon 25.06.2012 18:06 |
Suck it. Regards, John |
| matt z 25.06.2012 21:28 |
Really John Deacon wrote: Suck it. Regards, JohnHaha. That would make a great photo-op for John. I can just imagine that... "NEW JOHN DEACON PHOTO EMERGES!!!" (Captioned Photo of john in a black Leather jacket...white hair, a white top with the phrase "SUCK IT" encircled in red) Caption: "Will John Deacon return for Queen + Adam Lambert??" |
| tero! 48531 26.06.2012 00:48 |
Holly2003 wrote: A nice theory except ... doesn't it say in the Days of our Lives documentary that John was really bored and at a loose end between the later Queen albums and he was always keen to get back into the studio.That's kind of the point, though. Sometime around the Hot Space album he'd be just sitting at home waiting for the other guys to decide when it's time to get back together to work as Queen. Imagine staying at home with your kids for a year (or two), and suddenly getting that call... "Hey, we need you to come join us for six months." As much as you miss being in the studio, you've just gotten used to your normal life during that break. I imagine that ever since the GH album Queen was little more than a contractual obligation for him, and he was glad to get out of the waiting. MIH was different because a) it was a tribute to Freddie, and b) they could take a break anytime they wanted to. Once that was finished, so was all the obligations John had ever had for the band. |
| thomasquinn 32989 26.06.2012 04:51 |
brENsKi wrote:They're free to do what they want, just as I am free to say that they are whiny old men looking for a quick buck. However, to follow your argument, if they regard Queen, their band, in which they invested 30+ years of effort and creativity, as first and foremost a company, a business enterprise, then it would be better if they were to go into quiet retirement, because that is just too cynical for words.whynot wrote: That's what Brian and Roger also should have done, retire from music, instead of performing under the name of " Queen" .i can't believe i am reading such drivel stop and think about it.... a company (and Queen were a PLC/limnited company - since 1978) does not cease trading because a major shareholder dies or retires.... companies OFTEN outlive their original shareholders. As it happens "Queen Ltd" still has two shareholders engaged in the day-to-day business and one sleeping partner (john)still taking his shareholder's dividends annually. now, on the other hand if you'd said "they shoulda stopped because there's no quality control, and most of what they produce these days is substandard"....well i'd still disagree with the principle but, agree with your reasoning |
| rhyeking 26.06.2012 10:13 |
First, let me preface this by saying it's not that I think Queen can do no wrong. They're as fallible as any of us. However, it's probably wise to maintain some perspective. Queen has to both be a functioning band AND a business. It was true during the days of the classic line up and it's true now. The business is there to protect the band and its work, and also to make money. The money pays for mansions and things, but it also pays staff and lawyers who work them. We gave them some of the money, yes, but they also invested and reap the benefits of those investments. I think what makes them different from, say, the inventor of Post-It Notes, who I assume is also rich now, is that what Queen create is art and we don't like thinking of art as something to be bought and sold. We want art and the artist to remain aloof of such base desires as money, as if he or she should have enough to be comfortable and that's it. We see the rich rock star and part of us resents it, especially when they stop doing what we like (releasing new albums, unreleased material and collaborating with "real" artists) and are still making money. That's when we complain that we're being taken advantage of, but after all this this time and loyalty, all WE get are re-issues, hits collections or nothing at all. Here's the problem with these lines of reasoning, in my opinion, it fails to acknowledge that a) not every release is directed at seasoned fans like us; and b) it paints the fans in an unflattering light of "What have you done for me lately?" Again, I'm neither defending nor condemning any release or project since Freddie's death, nor am I saying everything Queen and QPL do is gold. This isn't so-called Stepford Fandom speaking. I'm just looking at the big picture and am seeing that context is required to understand the difference between the artistic output and the business decisions. The Musical, The Extravaganza, American Idol, Hits collections and TV ads using Queen music are all mainly business, to expose the music they made to new fans. It's making use of different media to get their music out there. Is that selling out? No. They've always been selling their music and we've always been buying it. We resent it, I think, because we don't like these methods, where we previously had no problem with tours, singles, albums and videos, because that was the band itself coming directly to us. Has something been lost in using TV shows as a means to an end? Only if you think the end doesn't justify the means. Do they need more money? I don't know. Do we want to given them money for things we don't like? Heck no. Does that mean they should limit the outlets they use to only what worked previously? If they do so, they risk disappearing in the ever-growing pool of popular music. To quote Todd In The Shadows, "Glee is this generation's MTV." More people watch Idol and Glee than MTV. MTV isn't the go-to source for music it once was. Nor is radio, the traditional outlet for hit singles. With satellite and internet radio so specialized, people find their niche music and aren't exposed to as much variety. But even as many here don't care for Idol, its ratings and success demonstrate it to be a vehicle for a ton of young viewers to see and hear what they might otherwise not be exposed to. Again, is it selling out or adapting to the times? I don't know. I'm already a fan and can be selective about what I buy. The ultimate question, then, is are these projects and appearances "any good?" They're good for getting Queen "out there". They don't add to our collections. The Extravaganza is part pet-project, something Roger wanted to do and went ahead and did. I don't feel put out by it because I don't really care. If it gets new fans in on Queen, great. If he makes money on it, fair enough. It's his investment. Same with the Musical. I can tell you that mega-musical theatre is not cheap to produce, so I doubt they made a killing on it and any money they made past recouping the initial investment has probably only been in the last few years. Have I covered every point of contention? Lord no. They, like every band and artist, will do something the fanbase rejects. All I'm trying to say is that with often over-simplified complaints, like "They just want our money!" or "There's no boxed set, so they don't appreciate us anymore," it's easy for resentment to build momentum. No one is saying you must love everything Queen does now and say nary a word against them. This is just a little perspective on the situation. I don't have all the answers, this is just how I see it. If I don't like it, I don't buy it, but I try to see if it was meant for me at all and why it was released. |
| Vocal harmony 26.06.2012 15:00 |
Great post rhyeking, totally agree. |
| people on streets 26.06.2012 15:17 |
Who cares what JD is doing. The man is retired. Good for him! Would've done the same if I was him. |
| Martin Packer 27.06.2012 03:25 |
@rhyeking +1 |
| Josh 27.06.2012 14:05 |
During my days in the 90s when I used to speak with Jacky from the fanclub a lot (which was still a fully functioning and accepted institution) and a lot of other people around, it was always common sense that John is too shy to reappear on scene. It was said that he'd still play the bass for himself and he was also helping one of his sons with his band at the time. Once he'd agreed to appear at one of his concerts to push the attendance and public response, but got so frightened that he ran away shortly before and was missing for several hours (or longer). When questioned afterwards why he had been ok with tens of thousands visitors at a Queen concert and got stagefright with a crowd of 150, he answered that he'd always felt that everybody only watched Freddie on stage, that he could kinda "disappear" behind his huge stage presence. Now, without Freddie, he felt that all the attention and eyes would be on him and that made him feel more "exposed" than before. It is also known that there were huge difficulties in the band in the 80s and that they almost split up after their last tour. This, plus the fact that Queen came to a halt after Freddie's death, lead to John's decision to retire early and concentrate on the family. You don't make 6 children if you're not a devoted dad and have the possibility to care for them. Just think of it: SIX CHILDREN!!! Do you guys really think he's laying on the couch all day?!? This is a 24/7 job, even with two parents at home! I think he made a very thoughtful decision about what he wanted and stayed with it no matter what. I think he's happy with his life and this is everything one can hope for! |
| Brucek 04.07.2012 11:36 |
I glad Brian and Roger didn't retire. It would be a shame to lock away those skills forever. From what I've heard from bits of interviews from John he wanted to retire. Some do and some don't. |
| madprofessorus 23.03.2013 18:52 |
John just left the whole thing and it was the best thing to do,I did appreciate him even more for his attitude,the Queen ended in 24/11/1991,all the other stuff is just stupid |
| john bodega 24.03.2013 07:58 |
RIP John Deacon. Who could've known that snowmobile riding would be so dangerous |
| dowens 24.03.2013 10:48 |
I know John appeared with Queen in 1997 with Elton John and the "No One But You" single? But why? Why do that but not show up to the HOF induction or any recent anniversary stuff? I mean, I get it if he doesn't want to record and tour, but it just seems odd that he hasn't participated in the celebrations of the legacy he helped build? As a Queen fan, it'd be nice to see him pop up every once in a while... |
| waunakonor 24.03.2013 12:41 |
madprofessorus wrote: the Queen ended in 24/11/1991,all the other stuff is just stupid???? No. Just...no. Did you even attempt to read RhyeKing's very good and well thought-out post? If you had, you would be rethinking your oversimplified statement there. Plus, beyond that, Made in Heaven and No-One But You are awesome. Don't dismiss them as "stupid." |
| madprofessorus 28.03.2013 06:01 |
@waunakonor: of course I read rhyeking's post, I usually read all answers on a post before I write,no need to get crazy , we just see things different.ok no one but you was a nice farewell song and made in heaven had the last tunes Freddie recorded which I do like , beyond them, the collaboration with Paul was a good rock album with some queen music elements,for me it should never be released under Queen name in Any terms, they could call it something else. All the other things and collaborations they are useless for me, Brian and Roger could continue their solo efforts, they had the whole fan base to support them, no need to tour with Freddie wannabe boys. Maybe I see things a bit romantic, but Queen was my first band that I listened, and I will listen to them till I am drop dead, and some things should be left as it is, and we all must know when to stop and leave the new blood take over, Roger sung it once, maybe he forgot... |
| dagi 30.03.2013 03:26 |
I share the frustration and disappointment of many fans regarding JD. A few points from my perspective: 1) I continually read in this forum and elsewhere that JD "had huge respect for Freddie" and that he thought Freddie was irreplaceable. Whilst the above may be true, I see very little evidence to support this. There is the quote attributed to him about "Robbie Williams being no Freddie", but very little else. 2) Poster Hot Buttered Soul states that "John took Fred's death very badly". I've even read that John saw FM as his "big brother". Again this may be true, but where is the evidence for any of this? I thought it was interesting that in the programme notes for Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert, all three band members provided a written tribute - Brian and Roger's tribute was expansive, John's was minimal with just a few lines. 3) I often read that John and Freddie were close. Again where is the evidence for this? I've watched hours and hours of footage, read/listened to many interviews and the amount of interaction between JD and FM was hardly anything. They barely looked at each other. I don't think many fans expect John to become musically productive again, but it would be so good if he could appear at some form of event. He needn't say anything, just have a photo taken with the other two. It looks as though he's just not on speaking terms with Brian and Roger, and until this changes, I can't see this long hoped for reunion ever happening. |
| Hangman_96 30.03.2013 05:14 |
dagi wrote: 3) I often read that John and Freddie were close. Again where is the evidence for this? I've watched hours and hours of footage, read/listened to many interviews and the amount of interaction between JD and FM was hardly anything. They barely looked at each other.Well, each second of their whole lives couldn't be filmed, and cameramen couldn't follow them everywhere. Maybe they were a bit too shy when being filmed, so this is why we don't have any evidence. But apart of this they most likely were very good friends and saw each other *almost* every single day. It's we who don't have the evidence for this. |
| dagi 30.03.2013 06:43 |
Thanks for your comments, but I respectfully point out that your perpetuating something which you and other fans hope to be true without any evidence whatsoever. For much of his life JD saw BM and RT virtually everyday too. Using your logic, this must mean he was also close to them too. I just don't see the evidence. John's relationship with them would appear to be little more than that of work colleagues rather than good friends. If they were 'close', something very significant has happened since as they appear not to be on even speaking terms. |
| jpf 08.04.2013 03:24 |
Biggzy10 wrote: John had huge respect for Freddie. And continuing Queen wasn't right in his eyes. He knows that no one can replace Freddie or really front Queen again for that matter. I think it all has to do with respect for Freddie. I respect John for ending the journey for himself. It shows how much he loved Freddie and valued him.How did John have huge respect for Freddie when John refused to visit Freddie in his last days? |
| Queen fan 08.04.2013 08:28 |
jpf wrote:How do you know anybody refused anything?Biggzy10 wrote: John had huge respect for Freddie. And continuing Queen wasn't right in his eyes. He knows that no one can replace Freddie or really front Queen again for that matter. I think it all has to do with respect for Freddie. I respect John for ending the journey for himself. It shows how much he loved Freddie and valued him.How did John have huge respect for Freddie when John refused to visit Freddie in his last days? It. Is more likely John found it too painful seeing Freddie waste away and Freddie spoke to him telling him I don't want you in pain seeing me like this, knowing how it affected him. Anyway it is not of your business. |
| jpf 08.04.2013 21:05 |
Queen fan wrote:John had no contact with Freddie. Brian and Roger did.jpf wrote:How do you know anybody refused anything? It. Is more likely John found it too painful seeing Freddie waste away and Freddie spoke to him telling him I don't want you in pain seeing me like this, knowing how it affected him. Anyway it is not of your business.Biggzy10 wrote: John had huge respect for Freddie. And continuing Queen wasn't right in his eyes. He knows that no one can replace Freddie or really front Queen again for that matter. I think it all has to do with respect for Freddie. I respect John for ending the journey for himself. It shows how much he loved Freddie and valued him.How did John have huge respect for Freddie when John refused to visit Freddie in his last days? Some friend. |
| Queen fan 08.04.2013 21:36 |
You do not know if John did or not So why pretend you do? |
| Queen fan 08.04.2013 21:41 |
Plus you all seem to be under the delusion queen were like the fictional monkeys or something, living under the same roof and sharing a big four poster bed lol that would have been a great tv show especially if it was in drag. i might have a go at writing it maybe sacha might like tthat for his retired ssection then you can have John back in real life playing granny again Stupid advanced editor Plus you all seem to be under the delusion queen were like the fictional monkeys or something, living under the same roof and sharing a big four poster bed lol that would have been a great tv show especially if it was in drag. i might have a go at writing it maybe sacha might like tthat for his retired ssection then you can have John back in real life playing granny again Stupid advanced editor But maybe how? I know sacha says he wants to make a special revisit of the break free video, as a tv special in conjunction with the launch of the movie they've made It's like a full 2 hour special of course you won't see that as its in the movie itself but you could see quite a lot As I'm doing lord of the rings concept So there would be enough room to have something in abot that. Just need some soap script for them all a day and night in the life of sort of thing the slag household special I bet Freddie would have loved that |
| jpf 10.04.2013 01:33 |
Queen fan wrote: You do not know if John did or not So why pretend you do?Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton both mentioned who visited Freddie. John Deacon wasn't one of them. |
| DLCVinnuendo 10.04.2013 07:51 |
we need to respect the decision of deacon, simple this |
| matt z 10.04.2013 19:19 |
DLCVinnuendo wrote: we need to respect the decision of deacon, simple thisYoda's kinda got it right. Only its "respect old deacons decision we must. Simple that is" I doubt any type of coaxing or goading would get him to come out. UNLESS you printed up 200 John deacon paper masks to attend a sporting event with. Maybe a flash mob in front of Buckingham palace with the same theme. Anything short of media attention would just insure that he stays out of sight |
| The Real Wizard 10.04.2013 22:07 |
jpf wrote:Trolling again, I see..Queen fan wrote: You do not know if John did or not So why pretend you do?Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton both mentioned who visited Freddie. John Deacon wasn't one of them. And using your treasured bookie books as your source material. Books are never written with an agenda to create revisionist history. Let's all remember that important fact and your drivel will have some credence. Nice to see you again. Let's hope it's a briefer visit than the last one. |
| jpf 16.04.2013 20:31 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I'll post whenever I please.jpf wrote:Trolling again, I see.. And using your treasured bookie books as your source material. Books are never written with an agenda to create revisionist history. Let's all remember that important fact and your drivel will have some credence. Nice to see you again. Let's hope it's a briefer visit than the last one.Queen fan wrote: You do not know if John did or not So why pretend you do?Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton both mentioned who visited Freddie. John Deacon wasn't one of them. If you don't like it you can fuck off. It's people like you who make me post more often. |
| brENsKi 17.04.2013 12:27 |
fucking hell - i suppose we should be grateful you weren't posting to update on John Deacon's whereabouts...because if you had an update it'd mean the worst case - he'd have joined KISS !!!! which'd be worse than doing nothing |
| brENsKi 17.04.2013 12:29 |
jpf kissmyknob wrote:I'll post whenever I please. If you don't like it you can fuck off. It's people like you who make me post more oftenfucking hell - i suppose we should be grateful you weren't posting to update on John Deacon's whereabouts...because if you had an update it'd mean the worst case - he'd have joined KISS !!!! which'd be worse than doing nothing |
| Holly2003 17.04.2013 12:32 |
Kiss suck! |
| brENsKi 17.04.2013 13:37 |
situations vacant: 1. drummer in KISS - you work for us, we make the money, but we'll tell you that you're really a part of the band when you're really just a hired hand playing shit cock-n-roll 2. volunteer wanted - for scientists to assess the effects of being suspended upside-down to your waist in liquid excement - five minute breaks every hour provided in surveys, 8 of of 10 music lovers gave option 2 the edge |
| stezario 01.03.2014 19:18 |
What has stuck with me for the last 22 years is the disrespect shown To John by RT while John was doing something he was clearly uncomfortable with (public speaking) not helped by his mic not working to start with. |
| Medusajoe 01.03.2014 21:22 |
Queen don't really tour anymore much and since made in heaven have only done 1 album I don't think John can bring himself to thinking working in Queen is worthwhile after Freddie is no longer around. Plus John has a family. as do Brian and Roger but they are Rock stars, John never really was a rock star look at Rogers son, he is a drummer right out front- with the Queen name behind him. i know John has a musical son but its not the same thing, its much more low key , not a rock star either. John realised his creative ambitions within Queen and worked hard building the Queen Musical Legacy which is as big as the Beatles in the UK. So now , seeing as it really has ended , for it can never be the same without Freddie, John just wants to spend time doing other things other than music and enjoy his life and family. He already has enjoyed and given all that time in his youth to realise all creative things and make lots of music and money in the process. So now he just wants to enjoy the fruits and his other life which is his loved ones. It makes sense to me. Brian and Roger are different animals, they love the music business and being active in it and want to remain doing it until they are dead. John was always not as showbiz friendly , he was a quieter musician type.. I think he is more sane actually that Brian and Roger they have Rock 'n Roll insanity rock till you drop. But i don't think John would have retired totally IF Freddie was around. And i think they would still be making albums, not touring like they did though. maybe just promotional appearances live one song now and again. I think the secret thing is, John liked Freddie's voice and musical ideas and everything that was Freddie as much as all of us! and so like us, nothing can ever be good enough. And Brian and Roger? well , they started smile and have been going at it ever since. and they wont stop cos' get the smile feelin' from music and being in it, and like it too much to stop, so never will. |
| Medusajoe 01.03.2014 21:50 |
.double post |
| Medusajoe 01.03.2014 21:50 |
stezario wrote: What has stuck with me for the last 22 years is the disrespect shown To John by RT while John was doing something he was clearly uncomfortable with (public speaking) not helped by his mic not working to start with.nah that not dissing John Roger did that on the Live Aid photo shoots also Roger is just showing his mussels are in good condition because he is a drummer and still strong. Roger makes jokes. He called John a psychopath you know? but it must be a joke because John is not a psychopath i mean you cannot call him that just because he don't want to be working in music anymore and because queen a company he still gets some money shares thats not reason enough to say he has psychopathic behaviour he is just part of the agreed queen company its his guaranteed share of the pie his retirement even if he don't do anything well its cos he is retired.! so it must have been a joke If John was really a psychopath he would have retired in 1975 and become Queen's manager and screwed them for every penny of success they had which was a lot!!! he would not have slogged his guts out for another 15 years! In fact when Roger said that i thought it was a publicity stunt and made me think John might be going to be showing himself publicly someway soon. |
| stezario 02.03.2014 02:30 |
If you watch the video it's less a muscle rub (as it does look like on the picture) and more a French f##k off: link |
| brENsKi 02.03.2014 09:15 |
he was on the Al Murray show on Planet Rock today ;-) |
| Heavenite 02.03.2014 10:28 |
Wow! Can we hear it then anyone? |
| Medusajoe 02.03.2014 12:01 |
brENsKi wrote: he was on the Al Murray show on Planet Rock today ;-)Maybe that is why Al Murray was talking about John Deacon not muscle rub link ok you can hardly hear john - a balloon hits roger and a air horn goes off at same time- you cant hear john for crowd and now air horn and balloon in rogers face and that is when Roger does the sign- Roger is stressed out- he said you can cry as much as you want etc- plus a f * you to aids that could be why Roger did the sign or he doesn't like Metallica (joke) on that day they would all be on edge and emotional and wanting everything to go right.Plus i pick up that John didn't even want to face anything about Freddie's death and instead just announced the first band it looks cold but its not- its detachment because he cannot talk about it i think its all bullshit and not v nice to even hint at that kind of thing. people cope with grief differently Freddie was aware that others would be in pain over him that was one of his concerns he didn't want to upset others being helpless to help him is too much i dont like anything to do with it all either i cant really watch days of our lives etc i avoid it all |
| Mr Prime Jive 06.01.2016 15:49 |
Chased by fans, something like 10/15 years ago (no smart phones or digital cameras........) link |
| The Ghost of Lester Burnham 06.01.2016 17:54 |
Mr Prime Jive wrote: Chased by fans, something like 10/15 years ago (no smart phones or digital cameras........) linkThis is heartbreaking, especially when he puts his face into his hands for a good deal longer than is comfortable, you can just tell he would rather be anywhere else but there at that moment. |
| Saint Jiub 06.01.2016 20:22 |
John seemed relieved once the cameraman stepped back. That said, perhaps some of the people should have been content with being within 10 feet of John, and backed off when they saw he was very uncomfortable, rather than insisting on an autograph. |
| artist_nine 07.01.2016 09:17 |
Somehow seeing that video makes me very sad. A man just wants to be left alone... I just don't understand how some people can be so inconsiderate and disrespectful. |
| Holly2003 07.01.2016 10:27 |
Is it just me or does John seem very drunk in this video? Not that it excuses being hounded like this, but it might explain his very dramatic hands-in-face gesture. |
| The Real Wizard 07.01.2016 12:10 |
Holly2003 wrote: Is it just me or does John seem very drunk in this video? Not that it excuses being hounded like this, but it might explain his very dramatic hands-in-face gesture.Nah, I don't think so. He's just socially awkward. I mean, really: link What more can be said? |
| Rick 07.01.2016 12:16 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Never seen this one before. Haha, nice one.Holly2003 wrote: Is it just me or does John seem very drunk in this video? Not that it excuses being hounded like this, but it might explain his very dramatic hands-in-face gesture.Nah, I don't think so. He's just socially awkward. I mean, really: link What more can be said? |
| Holly2003 07.01.2016 12:51 |
I like the way he forced that girl to kiss him on the ear. Nice move John! And that jumper... so fashionable. |
| The Real Wizard 07.01.2016 14:58 |
Holly2003 wrote: I like the way he forced that girl to kiss him on the ear. Nice move John! And that jumper... so fashionable.Ha, I know ! Seriously - it's the peak of their success. Winning an AMA for song of the year. And he shows up in a Space Invaders pullover that looks like it was knitted by his grandmother. You just can't make this stuff up. |
| JomaDuckSoup 07.01.2016 15:37 |
The Real Wizard wrote:That is really special! OMGHolly2003 wrote: I like the way he forced that girl to kiss him on the ear. Nice move John! And that jumper... so fashionable.Ha, I know ! Seriously - it's the peak of their success. Winning an AMA for song of the year. And he shows up in a Space Invaders pullover that looks like it was knitted by his grandmother. You just can't make this stuff up. |
| tomchristie22 08.01.2016 01:23 |
Mr Prime Jive wrote: Chased by fans, something like 10/15 years ago (no smart phones or digital cameras........) linkFuck's sake. The decent thing to do at that point would be to apologise and walk away, not continue crowding the poor man. |