Gaabiizz 14.04.2012 23:43 |
What do you think of Messi? In My opinion is one of the best ever with Maradona , Garrincha , Pelè and Ronaldinho |
inu-liger 15.04.2012 03:14 |
Never heard of him/her |
ActionFletch 15.04.2012 04:35 |
I prefer Ronaldo for sheer unstoppable entertainment. Messi has the added bonus of the best midfielders in the world surrounding him, but there's no doubt his team effectiveness outshines Christiano - however - just like Ronaldo's last two years at Man Utd, it seems like this year he is (almost) single handedly winning La Liga for Real Madrid! For Ronaldo to win the Ballon award Real must win La Liga AND the Champions League - either loss and the award will go to Messi, again! |
YourValentine 15.04.2012 10:56 |
I think Messi is the best football player ever. Maybe Maradonna was a slightly better technical player but Messi is the better team player and better athlete, he is less of a diva and he always delivers. Ronaldo is almost as good but I would still vote for Messi who has been elected world footballer of the year for 3 years in a row for very good reasons. Ronaldo is an excellent technical player but he does not have quite the determination Messi has who is also a real fighter imo. You see the deficits of Ronaldo when he plays with the Portuguese national team instead of Real where is is surrounded by the best possible players in Europe. Messi should be world champion with the Spanish team but I have a lot of respect for the fact that he chose to play for his native country. |
Gaabiizz 15.04.2012 11:27 |
YourValentine wrote: I think Messi is the best football player ever. Maybe Maradonna was a slightly better technical player but Messi is the better team player and better athlete, he is less of a diva and he always delivers. Ronaldo is almost as good but I would still vote for Messi who has been elected world footballer of the year for 3 years in a row for very good reasons. Ronaldo is an excellent technical player but he does not have quite the determination Messi has who is also a real fighter imo. You see the deficits of Ronaldo when he plays with the Portuguese national team instead of Real where is is surrounded by the best possible players in Europe. Messi should be world champion with the Spanish team but I have a lot of respect for the fact that he chose to play for his native country. Yes, I agree completely |
Gaabiizz 15.04.2012 11:31 |
Hopefully that will give us the title in brazil 2014! I'm Argentine and I'm proud of Messi , Maradona and Batistuta , The best that Argentina has in the history. |
Gaabiizz 15.04.2012 11:33 |
inu-liger wrote: Never heard of him/her Perhaps you are ignorant or is Madridist lol :) |
pittrek 17.04.2012 12:08 |
After reading some posts I don't think anymore that Messy and Messiah are the same person. No seriously, is it some football player ? |
mooghead 17.04.2012 12:18 |
Messi is the best player in the world right now. Maradonna the best player ever. |
brENsKi 17.04.2012 16:01 |
he's better than Kiss (football and musically) but then that's not exactly mission impossible, is it? |
greaserkat 17.04.2012 16:12 |
When he does something with the Argentine National Team, like Baggio did with Italy, Maradonna with Argentina, Pele with Brasil, Romario with Brasil, Beckenbahuer with Germany, then ask the question again. |
brENsKi 18.04.2012 00:46 |
i remember a quote from last season (it may have been a misquote at the time) but it was still funny and sums up the whole Ronaldo/Messi comparison succinctly: when asked about his skills Ronaldo replied: "i was sent by God to teach people the beautiful game" when asked abut this quote Messi is supposed to have replied: "well, i don't remember sending him" |
Holly2003 18.04.2012 05:30 |
Best ever? Impossible to say. The best judge of a player in any era is how much he stands out from his peers. You cannot judge a player based on how many trophys he won. George Best won some honours with Man Utd but never went to the World Cup with Northern Ireland, for example. In my lifetime the players that really stood out were Pele, Maradona and Best. No one could get the ball off them, and they were frequently marked by 2-3 players. Best and Pele played in an era when defenders could continually kick and foul skillful players and that was tolerated. For that reason, if they were still playing today they might be even more amazing because they would be protected as Ronaldo and Messi (mostly) are. |
thomasquinn 32989 18.04.2012 07:45 |
It's terrible that I have to do this, but: This is *not* an attempt at a cheap blow, it's an *honest* question - What is it that people see in football (or any other 'spectator sport' for that matter)? I mean, I don't like playing football myself, but I could imagine that others enjoy playing the game. However, I just can't wrap my head around the pleasure many people seem to get from *watching* others they don't even know play a game. Can anyone explain this to me? |
tcc 18.04.2012 08:37 |
A lot of interest is fuelled by betting. |
Holly2003 18.04.2012 08:51 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's terrible that I have to do this, but: This is *not* an attempt at a cheap blow, it's an *honest* question - What is it that people see in football (or any other 'spectator sport' for that matter)? I mean, I don't like playing football myself, but I could imagine that others enjoy playing the game. However, I just can't wrap my head around the pleasure many people seem to get from *watching* others they don't even know play a game. Can anyone explain this to me?Watch either of these videos. If these don't show you the attraction of football then words never will. link link |
Gaabiizz 18.04.2012 09:04 |
greaserkat wrote: When he does something with the Argentine National Team, like Baggio did with Italy, Maradonna with Argentina, Pele with Brasil, Romario with Brasil, Beckenbahuer with Germany, then ask the question again. And Garrincha in Brasil (World Cup 1958 , 1962) good answer! |
brENsKi 18.04.2012 10:16 |
tcc wrote: A lot of interest is fuelled by betting.i don't think that's the predominant aspect of why. it maybe for home/pub viewers - but not the fans who go to live games. i think there,s more to do with the Roman colleseum origins of "spectator sport". civilised society requires entertainment 1. it keeps the masses engaged 2. it takes some of their money back off them organised football is (i believe a british working class invention - the working classes needed soemthing to do, so clubs were formed, following from that mounds (kops) were built for people to stand and watch from - (kop comes from Spion Kop, a battle site from the boer war) anyhow, most of the origins came from this. if you look at most british (football terraces - as was) - they rose about 1906 - the year of the battle. stadia are a new thing. crowds grew from a few dozen initally and some form of covered terrace was required. apols if i rambled a bit |
GratefulFan 18.04.2012 14:23 |
Holly2003 wrote: Watch either of these videos. If these don't show you the attraction of football then words never will.Those were great clips. |
GratefulFan 18.04.2012 14:30 |
@Thomas Varying levels of investment and different motivations of course, some of which are relatively uncomplicated. It's simple entertainment at one level, distraction from the mundane, and there is pleasure in depth of knowledge in anything, the history and the in and outs of a sport no exception. But perhaps the most powerful thing is the way in which it ties people to things. Sometimes from very early on to parents, often fathers, or older siblings, and later on to friends and places and the wider culture. Once you accept a team as a proxy of sorts for people or things or places that you love, or qualities that you value like loyalty or perseverance or grit for example, a game or championship easily becomes a moving narrative whose appeal would need no explanation in another context. Hard work well rewarded, bad behaviour avenged, triumph thwarted, delayed or realized, David and Goliath stories, emotions of the players reflected and absorbed by fans in both success and failure. Sometimes just the simple joy in happiness for the achievement of others. All shared with thousands of people who feel the same way, often in one very special place or moment in time. Every time I see Sidney Crosby's OT goal in the 2010 Olympic hockey final it makes me tear up. And I've probably seen it 50 times. I know the whole sequence by heart, I know what's coming, and it still get me every time. |
greaserkat 18.04.2012 14:43 |
Holly2003 wrote:Nice, especially since I hate England and Spain.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's terrible that I have to do this, but: This is *not* an attempt at a cheap blow, it's an *honest* question - What is it that people see in football (or any other 'spectator sport' for that matter)? I mean, I don't like playing football myself, but I could imagine that others enjoy playing the game. However, I just can't wrap my head around the pleasure many people seem to get from *watching* others they don't even know play a game. Can anyone explain this to me?Watch either of these videos. If these don't show you the attraction of football then words never will. link link This video made me cry when I watch it live, as I'm a HUGE Chivas fan. Thsi was probably one of their best victoroes ever. You can even hear in the announcers voice, in the last two goals, the feeling fottball brings to you link |
brENsKi 18.04.2012 17:02 |
@GreatfulFan I know exactly what you mean. still feel the same about Vinatieri's FG against the Rams. Years of mediocrity and sh*t erased with one kick as time expired. fantastic |
greaserkat 18.04.2012 18:58 |
brENsKi wrote: @GreatfulFan I know exactly what you mean. still feel the same about Vinatieri's FG against the Rams. Years of mediocrity and sh*t erased with one kick as time expired. fantasticThanks to the ref's fucked up call in the Raiders-Pats game |
GratefulFan 19.04.2012 08:42 |
greaserkat wrote: This video made me cry when I watch it live, as I'm a HUGE Chivas fan. Thsi was probably one of their best victoroes ever. You can even hear in the announcers voice, in the last two goals, the feeling fottball brings to you You said "the feeling football brings" to you, but really the game being played is mostly incidental in this kind of discussion. For you it's football, for me it's hockey, for others maybe NFL/CFL football or baseball. The kind of sports fan who cries at a special set of late football goals or an Olympic gold medal overtime victory is in some ways just a set of personality characteristics waiting for a sport. And it does't surprise me that there would be overlap between that kind of sports fan and people passionate enough about music to dedicate time to a music forum. |
brENsKi 19.04.2012 09:59 |
greaserkat wrote:no. the ref explained it wrong at the time, but got the reversal decision spot on :-)brENsKi wrote: @GreatfulFan I know exactly what you mean. still feel the same about Vinatieri's FG against the Rams. Years of mediocrity and sh*t erased with one kick as time expired. fantasticThanks to the ref's fucked up call in the Raiders-Pats game you're not a bitter silver n black are you? |
greaserkat 19.04.2012 13:32 |
brENsKi wrote:Hell no, Red and Gold all the way!! And Brady's arm was not moving forward when the ball came outgreaserkat wrote:no. the ref explained it wrong at the time, but got the reversal decision spot on :-) you're not a bitter silver n black are you?brENsKi wrote: @GreatfulFan I know exactly what you mean. still feel the same about Vinatieri's FG against the Rams. Years of mediocrity and sh*t erased with one kick as time expired. fantasticThanks to the ref's fucked up call in the Raiders-Pats game |
thomasquinn 32989 19.04.2012 14:41 |
GratefulFan wrote: @Thomas [...] Once you accept a team as a proxy of sorts for people or things or places that you love, or qualities that you value like loyalty or perseverance or grit for example, a game or championship easily becomes a moving narrative whose appeal would need no explanation in another context. Hard work well rewarded, bad behaviour avenged, triumph thwarted, delayed or realized, David and Goliath stories, emotions of the players reflected and absorbed by fans in both success and failure. [...]So then, essentially, what you are saying is that the appeal of football is, on some level, contagious magic, taken in the anthropological sense as described by Sir James George Frazer, which means it's the same basic feeling that inspires, for instance, Voodoo cultists - it's a primitive (not in a derogatory sense, but literal, derived from primal) form of religion. |
thomasquinn 32989 19.04.2012 14:45 |
Holly2003 wrote:Thanks for the vids, but sorry, it really doesn't do anything at all for me. I suppose football is just one of those things I don't get.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's terrible that I have to do this, but: This is *not* an attempt at a cheap blow, it's an *honest* question - What is it that people see in football (or any other 'spectator sport' for that matter)? I mean, I don't like playing football myself, but I could imagine that others enjoy playing the game. However, I just can't wrap my head around the pleasure many people seem to get from *watching* others they don't even know play a game. Can anyone explain this to me?Watch either of these videos. If these don't show you the attraction of football then words never will. link link |
GratefulFan 19.04.2012 15:59 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: So then, essentially, what you are saying is that the appeal of football is, on some level, contagious magic, taken in the anthropological sense as described by Sir James George Frazer, which means it's the same basic feeling that inspires, for instance, Voodoo cultists - it's a primitive (not in a derogatory sense, but literal, derived from primal) form of religion. No. For god's sake. And I was talking about my feelings about sport fandom, not football, as I have no experience of football. |
waunakonor 19.04.2012 16:00 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:I live in America, and I'm pretty big on American football and follow baseball casually (baseball games are freaking boring, but I can get into American football games). However, I've never really seen the appeal of...wait for it...soccer myself. A sport where winning by more than one point is a big win seems kind of boring to me. Then again, I would probably like it a lot more if I lived anywhere other than the US.Holly2003 wrote:Thanks for the vids, but sorry, it really doesn't do anything at all for me. I suppose football is just one of those things I don't get.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's terrible that I have to do this, but: This is *not* an attempt at a cheap blow, it's an *honest* question - What is it that people see in football (or any other 'spectator sport' for that matter)? I mean, I don't like playing football myself, but I could imagine that others enjoy playing the game. However, I just can't wrap my head around the pleasure many people seem to get from *watching* others they don't even know play a game. Can anyone explain this to me?Watch either of these videos. If these don't show you the attraction of football then words never will. link link Oh well, I'm happy with what I've got. |
brENsKi 19.04.2012 16:30 |
greaserkat wrote:that's NOT how the tuck rule works. it's impossible to know the intent of the quarterback, therefore once the arm has gone forward (which it had) the Oakland commentary says it went forward - but they say he pumps...brENsKi wrote:Hell no, Red and Gold all the way!! And Brady's arm was not moving forward when the ball came outgreaserkat wrote:no. the ref explained it wrong at the time, but got the reversal decision spot on :-) you're not a bitter silver n black are you?brENsKi wrote: @GreatfulFan I know exactly what you mean. still feel the same about Vinatieri's FG against the Rams. Years of mediocrity and sh*t erased with one kick as time expired. fantasticThanks to the ref's fucked up call in the Raiders-Pats game listen @ 2:41 link at 3:06 he corrects himself to say he was looking to throw again...guesswork as i said...you can never know the intent of the quaterback therefore tuck rule favours the passer most significant thing about the whole thing....while the ref is looking at the replay monitor 3:29 - you can clearly hear Phil Collins' In the Air Tonight...was this some kind of prophecy? |
greaserkat 19.04.2012 17:14 |
After that play, I knew the NFL was going to be sucking Brady's dick for years to come. |
brENsKi 20.04.2012 12:00 |
^^^^ you're mistaken. it's manning pork nfl've been chewing |
greaserkat 20.04.2012 12:23 |
I'll agree to that, but you have to admit it's a Manning-Brady stew they've been eating |
brENsKi 20.04.2012 13:16 |
greaserkat wrote: I'll agree to that, but you have to admit it's a Manning-Brady stew they've been eatingactually i think i may have got it slightly wrong brady's adulation is well-deserved. he was a genuine surprise star, - don't think any 106th draft pick QB has ever won 3 SBs and set some of the records he did - and he won his SBs without the receiving corps that manning and co had. as for the rest, let's get it in perspective. most unduly worshipped and cock-sucked QBs (either by NFL, TV or BOTH) 1. Brett Favre - the guy had as many INTs as TD passes - ffs 2. Phil Rivers - just don't get it 3. Tim Tebow - hehe - the Saturday Nite live skit summed him up perfectly 4. Peyton Manning - really? c'mon he had the best throw-to team in the league for 7 seasons and won one SB 5. almost any QB that signs for the NY JESTs |
greaserkat 20.04.2012 14:32 |
I agree again with that list; however, there is no way you can deny how much cocksucking the NFL does to Brady when it comes to flags to "protect him." How many flags would Favre have gotten or Ben Roth has gotten from very similar or identical plays done to them compared to Brady? I'm not debating Brady's accomplishments cause there's not much evidence to go against them, but fuck, stop sucking his dick like it's golden. On a side note, if Vick hadn't done his stupid shit with dogfights, I would argue that he probably would be the best QB right now in the NFL. |
greaserkat 20.04.2012 14:34 |
Also, it helps to win many games and get to Super Bowls when your coaches secretly video tape practices of other teams ;-) |
brENsKi 20.04.2012 16:41 |
greaserkat wrote: I agree again with that list; however, there is no way you can deny how much cocksucking the NFL does to Brady when it comes to flags to "protect him." How many flags would Favre have gotten or Ben Roth has gotten from very similar or identical plays done to them compared to Brady? I'm not debating Brady's accomplishments cause there's not much evidence to go against them, but fuck, stop sucking his dick like it's golden. On a side note, if Vick hadn't done his stupid shit with dogfights, I would argue that he probably would be the best QB right now in the NFL.you need to check the facts. brady got almost no protection until AFTER the illegal low tackle that put him out for a whole season and almost snapped his knee as for Ben Roth...what protection does he need in lap dancing clubs? vick? i agree. possibly the most unfulfilled potential. and still the best athlete/QB in the league - by a long way |
Mr.Jingles 07.05.2012 20:17 |
OK, I'm bringing things back to the original topic. Messi is without a doubt the best player in the world right now, and while some would like to say that Cristiano Ronaldo could arguably be better, the truth is that when you compare the two in terms of skill, speed, technical and tactical abilities, Messi is without a doubt better. As far as the ability to strike and score, the two are very equal, but what puts Cristiano Ronaldo behind is that he spends too much time waiting for his team mates to find the ball for him. Messi on the other hand, goes and finds it himself, and is as threatening to his rivals as a play creator and team assistant as he is as a striker. Given the fact that football is more fast paced today than it was 20-30 years ago, I'd say that Messi is better than Maradona. |
Mr.Jingles 07.05.2012 20:21 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's terrible that I have to do this, but: This is *not* an attempt at a cheap blow, it's an *honest* question - What is it that people see in football (or any other 'spectator sport' for that matter)? I mean, I don't like playing football myself, but I could imagine that others enjoy playing the game. However, I just can't wrap my head around the pleasure many people seem to get from *watching* others they don't even know play a game. Can anyone explain this to me?Same thing I can say about Bob Dylan. You may like the guy, but I can't wrap my head around that awful singing and the obnoxious harmonica. I'll give him props for the lyrics, though. |