| A Word In Your Ear 14.04.2012 18:10 |
Hi, I remember listening to recent Interview that Roger did with Chris Evans, where Roger was talking about the Sonisphere festival, where he said briefly about doing a couple of things in Moscow first. It was sort of a throw away comment, so when Moscow was Announced for just the one Gig, I thought it must be just the one Concert. Now in a statement on Brian's website about about the Date Change of Moscow to the 3rd July, Brian said the following:- The tickets bought for the 30th of June concert are not to be exchanged – they will be valid. Thus the concert that will take place on the 3d of July at the Olympic Arena will be the only "FULL VALUE" performance of Queen and Adam Lambert in 2012 in Russia. I wonder what he meant by "Full Value, Performance"??? Does that mean there is going to be a "Less Than, Full Value Performance" First, a warm up gig perhaps, in a smaller venue? It sort of Ties in with what Roger had said to Chris Evans. Hmmm!!!! |
| YourValentine 15.04.2012 02:46 |
Dear Brian May, thanks for "reshuffeling" your Moscow date. Just bad luck for me who was stupid enough to believe that Queen are a professional organisation who simply play a gig when they already sold so many tickets. The "small inconvenience" is tickets for 250 euro lost because my flight back home is on July 3rd and now I cannot see the concert unless I can rebook the flight which is quite uncertain. Amateurs. |
| inu-liger 15.04.2012 03:14 |
Jesus, that sucks Barb :( I hope you'll be able to reschedule your itinerary |
| YourValentine 15.04.2012 03:21 |
Brian May's message does not make any sense at all. The concert is in the Olympic Stadium. How can they reschedule such a huge gig only to make it more convenient for the London gigs. Apparently there is zero respect for the fans and customers. To move around such a big concert with no reason like illness or war must be unprecedented. |
| pittrek 15.04.2012 03:48 |
This is a very bad parody of the original band Queen |
| Pierre 15.04.2012 04:01 |
1 off gig with warm up...Sphere gone then 2 extra gigs for the fans in London + warm up with a singer who HAS an OWN career...Of course they fit the gig date from Adams view.. |
| inu-liger 15.04.2012 04:04 |
pittrek wrote: This is a very bad parody of the original band Queen Along the lines of Monty Python, perhaps? |
| A Word In Your Ear 15.04.2012 04:48 |
Dear Brian May, thanks for "reshuffeling" your Moscow date. Just bad luck for me who was stupid enough to believe that Queen are a professional organisation who simply play a gig when they already sold so many tickets. The "small inconvenience" is tickets for 250 euro lost because my flight back home is on July 3rd and now I cannot see the concert unless I can rebook the flight which is quite uncertain. Amateurs. Brian May's message does not make any sense at all. The concert is in the Olympic Stadium. How can they reschedule such a huge gig only to make it more convenient for the London gigs. Apparently there is zero respect for the fans and customers. To move around such a big concert with no reason like illness or war must be unprecedented. =============================================================== Yes Barbara, It is very bad on Queen's behalf. They just don't get it, do they? Long time Queen fans, will be on the ball, when the Tickets go on sale, tickets, plane flights & Hotels all booked, to only to be told, that they have changed the date of the gig. And WHY??? the original gig was only 3 days before, for gods sake, 3 days!!!!! why the need to change the date? Maybe so it does not put out "Poor little Adam Lambert, the poor soul, ahhh, bless his little cotton socks" Sod Lambert!!! What about all the long term Queen fans. Anyway Barbara, I truely hope that you can change yours & Klaus's 2 plane fights, without any extra costs incured. I wonder if Brian will foot the bill if the airline does charge you alteration costs!!! Again, QPL Just Don't get it!!!! |
| john bodega 15.04.2012 06:31 |
Can't wait! Maybe they'll do "Can't Be Tamed". Wait sorry, I meant "For Your Entertainment". Kind of hard to keep track when it's virtually the same song. Hell, could even be the same shit singer for all I know. |
| cmsdrums 15.04.2012 14:43 |
I'm just amazed that Brian has actually commented on something music related for once! I don't recall him mentioning anything on Adam Lambert or their plans, even when Sonisphere was originally announced as a gig. |
| Holly2003 15.04.2012 15:38 |
I think there's a big badger event planned for June 30th so the concert had to be cancelled. Actually that's not true. Shitty behaviour from "Queen" once again. Clearly Brian and Roger don't live in the same financial reality as most Queen fans. |
| Donna13 15.04.2012 18:54 |
Big badger event. Ha. Still, I'm sure Barb will feel like a rock star as she gets off the plane in Moscow - regardless of the date. Hopefully, not too high a fee to change the tickets. Don't you need a visa to go to Russia? It seems more of a stressful trip than other places would be. But pretty cool that some of you all are planning this trip! |
| MadTheSwine73 15.04.2012 20:30 |
It's Brian, what do you expect? |
| YourValentine 16.04.2012 02:25 |
Donna, yes we need visa - quite expensive, in fact. We need an invitation from the host and an extra health insurance because Russia does not accept our private foreign country health insurance - only from specific companies. If we can rebook the flight we must re-apply for valid visa which cover the travel period. We also needed new passports because ours were too old and could not be prolonged. I am visiting a friend whom I know through our common Queen passion - he already invited us in 2008 but because I wanted to see the Rome and Milan gigs we could not afford to go to Moscow. I am definitely very happy to explore the city and meet my friend but I have tickets for the concert and I want to see it. If Brian were very ill or something bad would happen - I would not say a word. It was not their fault that the Sonisphere gig was cancelled but that was not the fault of the Moscow ticket holders, either. I think it is totally unacceptable to move around such a big concert after selling so many tickets just for personal convenience. It is so unprofessional that it places them in the same league as Axl Rose who also never respected his audience enough to make a little effort. |
| Montreux 16.04.2012 03:20 |
Another part of this very sad episode... |
| The Real Wizard 16.04.2012 12:02 |
Who knows what the truth is here. This could even be Brian taking the fall for someone else's planning mishaps. In the world of gig booking, literally anything is possible. |
| Vocal harmony 17.04.2012 02:11 |
Just get over it. So what they've changed a gig date. It's not llike they've done it a week before the show. Roger Waters changed five dates on his current tour, it happens. |
| A Word In Your Ear 17.04.2012 02:23 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Just get over it. So what they've changed a gig date. It's not llike they've done it a week before the show. Roger Waters changed five dates on his current tour, it happens.Just Get Over it!!! you say, either you are just Trolling for a reaction, or Don't live in the real world, or maybe, you are a multi-millionaire who can afford just to change your Plane flights/Hotels & get a Visa, ect, at a drop of a hat, "so what if you have to fork out extra money, Just Get Over It" |
| inu-liger 17.04.2012 05:33 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote:Vocal harmony wrote: Just get over it. So what they've changed a gig date. It's not llike they've done it a week before the show. Roger Waters changed five dates on his current tour, it happens.Just Get Over it!!! you say, either you are just Trolling for a reaction, or Don't live in the real world, or maybe, you are a multi-millionaire who can afford just to change your Plane flights/Hotels & get a Visa, ect, at a drop of a hat, "so what if you have to fork out extra money, Just Get Over It" That, and there's a big difference here: You (V.H.) are comparing ONE show (out of 3 total) against a whole massive tour itinerary! Most people affected by date changes usually can accommodate the new dates (or nearest venue), but in this case this might royally screw over a number of fans since as pointed out you need a visa to enter Russia, and visas are not necessarily easy to change at the drop of a hat! |
| Vocal harmony 18.04.2012 12:34 |
What I meant was that they've given plenty of notice about the change. Yes it does screw peoples plans up, but there is plenty of time for them to change. Queen are not the only band to have done this, and I'm sure they haven't done it without good reason. |
| inu-liger 18.04.2012 22:10 |
It could be worse. They COULD be like so-called "Guns N Roses" whose lead singer has a nasty habit of starting the show anywhere from 1-3 hours late! |
| YourValentine 19.04.2012 04:17 |
Vocal harmony wrote: What I meant was that they've given plenty of notice about the change. Yes it does screw peoples plans up, but there is plenty of time for them to change. Queen are not the only band to have done this, and I'm sure they haven't done it without good reason.Quite obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. It is not only me as a German fan who has to pay extra estimated 350 Euro to rebook flights, add hotel date, and re-apply for visa. Russia is a huge country and many people already planned attending and booked (always very hard to get) train tickets. Now they have bought an expensive train ticket they cannot use. People who believed the concert is on a Saturday are now facing a problem because they must get days off work which is not always so easy or even affordable considering the extraordinary high ticket prices (standing area aka "vip" cost 600 euro). You say they haven't done it without a good reason. Please explain the good reason because I do not see any. Brian said they rescheduled the gig because otherwise it had not been possible to play the Hammersmith concerts - which has no relevance at all for the Moscow gig which had already been annouced and tickets had already been sold. The only reason is the personal convenience of the band and that is more Axl Rose for me than a "good reason". Brian did not bother to answer the emails of disappointed Moscow ticket holders - instead he answered to a stupid email concerning Russian policy towards gay people. Sorry, Mr. May but this does not help to make you look like you respect Russian fans - quite obviously you don't |
| A Word In Your Ear 19.04.2012 11:21 |
YourValentine wrote:I totally agree, Barbara, QPL "Brian, Roger & Jim B" just don't seem to care that it has inconvinenced a lot of fans & not just money wise, like you said, people will have to juggle their working commitments too & with no explanation, just that it makes it easier for THEM!!! Very Bad :-(Vocal harmony wrote: What I meant was that they've given plenty of notice about the change. Yes it does screw peoples plans up, but there is plenty of time for them to change. Queen are not the only band to have done this, and I'm sure they haven't done it without good reason.Quite obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. It is not only me as a German fan who has to pay extra estimated 350 Euro to rebook flights, add hotel date, and re-apply for visa. Russia is a huge country and many people already planned attending and booked (always very hard to get) train tickets. Now they have bought an expensive train ticket they cannot use. People who believed the concert is on a Saturday are now facing a problem because they must get days off work which is not always so easy or even affordable considering the extraordinary high ticket prices (standing area aka "vip" cost 600 euro). You say they haven't done it without a good reason. Please explain the good reason because I do not see any. Brian said they rescheduled the gig because otherwise it had not been possible to play the Hammersmith concerts - which has no relevance at all for the Moscow gig which had already been annouced and tickets had already been sold. The only reason is the personal convenience of the band and that is more Axl Rose for me than a "good reason". Brian did not bother to answer the emails of disappointed Moscow ticket holders - instead he answered to a stupid email concerning Russian policy towards gay people. Sorry, Mr. May but this does not help to make you look like you respect Russian fans - quite obviously you don't |
| The Real Wizard 19.04.2012 13:06 |
Not diminish what's happening here, but... When Led Zeppelin announced their 2007 reunion show, 20 million people put in requests for 20 thousand tickets. A month before the show, Page injured a finger, and the show had to be pushed back a couple weeks. I read some of the stories - they were heart-wrenching. This one fellow said he could not suddenly change the week of vacation he had booked off work six months earlier. So he had to pawn off his tickets to the most anticipated rock concert in decades and suck up the costs of his flight and hotel. I guess what I'm trying to say is - at least there are options in this case. They may cost a few bucks, but - they're options. And don't be so quick to blame Brian for not responding. That's assuming he saw the emails after they passed through the Jen filter, and in a case like this, that's a long shot. |
| YourValentine 20.04.2012 04:08 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Not diminish what's happening here, but... When Led Zeppelin announced their 2007 reunion show, 20 million people put in requests for 20 thousand tickets. A month before the show, Page injured a finger, and the show had to be pushed back a couple weeks. I read some of the stories - they were heart-wrenching. This one fellow said he could not suddenly change the week of vacation he had booked off work six months earlier. So he had to pawn off his tickets to the most anticipated rock concert in decades and suck up the costs of his flight and hotel. I guess what I'm trying to say is - at least there are options in this case. They may cost a few bucks, but - they're options. And don't be so quick to blame Brian for not responding. That's assuming he saw the emails after they passed through the Jen filter, and in a case like this, that's a long shot.I remember the Led Zep concert - I had applied for tickets myself. Brian May (or Roger Taylor) did not break a finger - they "reshuffeld" the date for no other reason than to make it more convenient for the Hammersmith gigs - please read the statements. I really do not see why the Led Zep cancellation - which cost people lots of money and holiday - makes it any better for the Moscow ticket holders who also paid lots for long flights, visa and took days off work. The "options" you mention are: pay a couple of hundred euros more or travel half the continent and do not see the concert, anyway. I think it is nice to do something for the Sonisphere ticket owners but it should not be at the expense of the Moscow audience. After all. there is no logical connection of the two events, at all. As to Brian not answering: I do not complain that he did not answer me, I complain that he takes time to answer a stupid email about Russia and homosexuality but ignores the valid complaints of fans at the same time. He is not responsible for the Russian policy concerning gays but he is responsible for letting his fans down big time. My email was polite and did not attack anyone and Jen does not block my emails, she never has done that. I always find it offensive that she is publicly blamed for something she did not do. |
| Vocal harmony 20.04.2012 18:44 |
To make a "short tour", in this case four dates in three cities, if the Elton John gig is going ahead, economically viable the dates need to be close together. Staging, PA, lighting, trucking, busses and crew have to be payed for. If their are huge gaps between shows the cost of the tour increases as all these still have to be payed for whether or not they're being used for the show or just parked up somewhere for a few days. Yes it's an inconvenience, and an expensive one for some people, but the bigger picture is the shows will still happen. |
| inu-liger 20.04.2012 23:33 |
If that were the case (which DOES make sense in some regards), Brian should have been up front about it and just bloody say so, instead of ignoring fan e-mails about Russia that don't have to do with the totally separate issue of government-sponsored homophobia |
| tero! 48531 21.04.2012 06:55 |
Vocal harmony wrote: To make a "short tour", in this case four dates in three cities, if the Elton John gig is going ahead, economically viable the dates need to be close together. Staging, PA, lighting, trucking, busses and crew have to be payed for. If their are huge gaps between shows the cost of the tour increases as all these still have to be payed for whether or not they're being used for the show or just parked up somewhere for a few days. Yes it's an inconvenience, and an expensive one for some people, but the bigger picture is the shows will still happen.With the new schedule there's still 10 days between London and Moscow, and another three days isn't a real issue. Yes, it's an incovenience, but 3-4 dates isn't going to make a huge profit for "Queen" anyway. |
| cmsdrums 21.04.2012 06:58 |
Vocal Harmony - I see your point about the costs of staging, crew etc... but to some of those who had planned for the Moscow show, booked flights, hotels, etc, the cost to them is just as proportionate as it would to to an organisation like Queen (who most likely have all sorts of insurance cover in place for such an eventuality) to stick to the original Moscow date. From a personal point of view I have complaint as I couldn't go to Sonisphere, but will be going to Hammersmith, but as neither of those gigs are on dates that clash with Moscow there was no real reasons to change that other than financial - basically they'd rather 'we' lose money than them |
| inu-liger 26.04.2012 22:49 |
I think we know why the date was changed now: link |
| inu-liger 08.06.2012 18:07 |
And once again, contrary to my last post's assumptions, I'm proven wrong again: link THIS is why they had to change the original Moscow date from June 30th! |
| A Word In Your Ear 08.06.2012 18:28 |
inu-liger wrote: And once again, contrary to my last post's assumptions, I'm proven wrong again:link is why they had to change the original Moscow date from June 30th!----------------------------------------------------------- Yes, but I think that even if QPL were not allowed to say anything about this Kiev gig until the official "Press Release" It would have been better to say something else than just saying "it makes it easier for us" without any explanation. The way they handeled it just pissed off all the fans who already, booked flights, hotels ect. |
| inu-liger 08.06.2012 18:57 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote:inu-liger wrote: And once again, contrary to my last post's assumptions, I'm proven wrong again:link is why they had to change the original Moscow date from June 30th!----------------------------------------------------------- Yes, but I think that even if QPL were not allowed to say anything about this Kiev gig until the official "Press Release" It would have been better to say something else than just saying "it makes it easier for us" without any explanation. The way they handeled it just pissed off all the fans who already, booked flights, hotels ect. It was a bit unprofessional. The fact it took nearly two months to provide an official reason why Moscow was re-booked looks VERY bad on QPL from the public's point of view. The least they could have done was say without making or leaking direct references that the date had to be moved because, say, "negotiations are underway for an event that due to circumstances would conflict with the original intended Moscow date," or something along those lines. It would have saved QPL a lot of face. |