DavidRFuller 30.03.2012 01:46 |
All 6 tracks in .wav Enjoy! Buona Sera I'll Go Crazy Just A Little Bit What's On Your Mind (I Got You) I Feel Good In The Midnight Hour link or link |
Gaabiizz 30.03.2012 02:56 |
Great! :D |
pittrek 30.03.2012 03:35 |
F**k you David. I hope you enjoy your minutes of fame |
YourValentine 30.03.2012 04:14 |
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bootLuca 30.03.2012 04:25 |
thank you very much for these jewels! |
deleted user 30.03.2012 04:38 |
What's the story here? |
bootLuca 30.03.2012 04:39 |
What is happening?where are the people that believe in "The more generous you are with your music, the more it comes back to you."? |
brians wig 30.03.2012 04:39 |
You really have absolutely NO shame at all do you? You were given access to these tracks on the condition that you kept them to yourself, yet over the last few months you have been publishing rarities you had no right to share with anyone. Not only have you broken your promise to a small handful of collectors who, as YourValentine quite rightly points out, have spent THOUSANDS purchasing original copies of these and other items over their lifetimes, you have pretty much made damn sure that those very people will NEVER AGAIN share anything with the Queen Community. Enjoy your brief moment of fame as a "hero", but I hope that everyone here reading this will also realise what an untrustworthy individual you are and realise that you have systematically just bitten the hands that have fed Queenzone for so long. I'm disappointed :( |
Rien 30.03.2012 04:46 |
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brians wig 30.03.2012 04:52 |
bootLuca wrote: What is happening?where are the people that believe in "The more generous you are with your music, the more it comes back to you."?Where are they? They are the people who have been feeding Queenzone since the very beginning: The people who spend thouands to acquire original copies of items that come up for auction and trade rarities with each other until such time as their tradeable value has diminished, at which point they are shared here and elsewhere. In the last few years though, those "Elite Collectors" as some like to call them, HAVE begun to share recordings that would otherwise still have major tradeable value (look at Houston 77, the BBC Sessions and countless amatuer video and audio recordings) Sadly, David Fuller has just systematically destroyed all of that by breaking his promise and sharing various items over the last few months. Sure, there are some good times happening now, but shortly it will all dry up and your 'Hero' of the hour will be the person that has just ruined it for everyone. |
scallyuk 30.03.2012 04:54 |
ah the elite have spoken. don;t you realise that it's the hoarders who spend thousands that drive the price UP, that's why you spend thousands because if you weren't so keen to buy it for yourselves there would be less demand and therefore a lower price. Then it wouldn't matter if it got shared. You are competing against each other to buy it anyway, if the aim was to buy and share it then the value would go down because fewer people would worry about "owning it" One person would own the original which would have it's own collectable value but the content would benefit us all and be worthless. Don't make people promise not to share stuff, as Roger said believe in yourself and NOBODY else. "trust no-one. promises were made to be broken. " all cliche's but all true. If it's that fucking important don't share it with anyone, listen to it in your little ivory towers and play who's got the biggest, I don't care anymore. I no longer care if it's FLAC, mp3 or nth gen. I'll give it a listen and decide whether it's actually ANY GOOD. Over the years I've realised that most of it isn't brilliant, unique or perfect. There are other musicians, bands and genres that hold my attention these days. From my perspective as someone who once was able to spend hundreds if not thousands on Queen and now realises that with a family and mortgage there are other priorities. . Thanks Dave |
bootLuca 30.03.2012 05:13 |
scallyuk wrote: ah the elite have spoken.I fully agree with you! |
YourValentine 30.03.2012 06:02 |
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Lord Fickle 30.03.2012 06:14 |
It is indeed a sad individual who thrives on short-term adulation acquired from the betrayal of trust. I'm not a serious collector, but I understand how those that are, are feeling. It's a real shame when one person spoils things for the rest of a community, but sadly, sooner or later, it always seems to happen. :( |
John S Stuart 30.03.2012 07:24 |
link |
DJGreg 30.03.2012 07:52 |
These tracks are not in lossless quality. Anyway - thanks. |
Flash Jazz 30.03.2012 09:57 |
Disappointing |
c-lebrity94 30.03.2012 10:31 |
David thank you!!1 You are Robin Hood of our time!!!!! BRAVO!!! |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 11:27 |
As always, the most opinionated people are those who have zero hands-on experience in the subject at hand. In this case, it is those who have never lifted a finger to obtain an uncirculated recording. They have no idea of how difficult and how expensive it can be to obtain certain recordings. Sharing a bootleg that was sold by a Japanese company is not the same as backstabbing collectors for without whom this section of the forum would be nearly empty. You people obviously have little idea of how most of the recordings get from the source to your pointing and clicking. David Fuller, you have all but killed the sharing spirit of the Queen community with your complete disregard for the people who have spent decades and tens of thousands to obtain the material that you are treating like a dime-a-dozen viral youtube video. Your bounty will soon be dry, and the Queen community will never know how much deeper it may have been, because people will certainly hold back from sharing purely so that you cannot reap the rewards of their work. You should be proud of yourself. |
people on streets 30.03.2012 11:48 |
The Real Wizard wrote: As always, the most opinionated people are those who have zero hands-on experience in the subject at hand. In this case, it is those who have never lifted a finger to obtain an uncirculated recording. They have no idea of how difficult and how expensive it can be to obtain certain recordings. Sharing a bootleg that was sold by a Japanese company is not the same as backstabbing collectors for without whom this section of the forum would be nearly empty. You people obviously have little idea of how most of the recordings get from the source to your pointing and clicking. David Fuller, you have all but killed the sharing spirit of the Queen community with your complete disregard for the people who have spent decades and tens of thousands to obtain the material that you are treating like a dime-a-dozen viral youtube video. Your bounty will soon be dry, and the Queen community will never know how much deeper it may have been, because people will certainly hold back from sharing purely so that you cannot reap the rewards of their work. You should be proud of yourself.Is this the same Bob most so called 'elite traders' know? Wow! You sure changed your opinion 180 degrees on this matter. |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 11:58 |
people on streets wrote: Is this the same Bob most so called 'elite traders' know? Wow! You sure changed your opinion 180 degrees on this matter."It is a truly evolved person who can entertain a concept without adopting it." -- Aristotle Keep your wisecrack comments to yourself, Dennis. Just be glad it wasn't you who got screwed. |
DavidRFuller 30.03.2012 12:21 |
Here's the story on the greedy folks who try and attack me: John Stuart rounded up about a dozen of us collectors on Facebook, and we pooled all of our collections together. In this time I obtained the same copies of things that were exclusive to the group from 'outside' collectors, obviously this was only possible because some of the members traded things from the collection without Stuart or anyone's knowledge. So when I leak something that I obtain outside the group, I was attacked, when really I can leak whatever I want that I get outside the group. Other members were trading things they shouldn't have and I wound up getting the short stick in the melee for being generous outside the group. Whatever I got outside the group I can leak. The hypocritical hoarders are showing their true colors in this thread. For all the thanks, you're very welcome! |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 12:24 |
Absolute bullshit and you know it. Only one acetate of this particular configuration of material exists, so this is nothing but an act of revenge because you were caught with your pants down. Even if that wasn't the case, it doesn't make your intentions or actions in this thread any less thoughtless or vicious. Nothing more, nothing less. Your attempts at writing revisionist history will be thwarted at every attempt. These "hypocritical hoarders" you speak of are the very fabric of this collecting community, and every other serious music collecting community that has ever existed. They are the ones who have put material out there for people worldwide to enjoy. You are not one of them. This is no better than a scientist putting his name on someone else's decades old research. You are an absolute disgrace to all collectors of music. |
snelly1 30.03.2012 13:06 |
So why was Fuller brought into the tent in the first place if he was nothing but a stealer of other people's hard discovered gems? |
Mr. Scully 30.03.2012 13:32 |
Funny, I haven't posted on QueenZone for years and I never thought I would have to post this kind of message again. I'm too "old" to care about rarities, trades in general, seeders and leechers or even Queen with the c-lebrity called Adam Lambert. In fact I "don't care anymore" - there are far more important things in my life than Queen. Yet I feel the need to voice my opinion this time because I know the whole story - and although I'm NOT involved in this issue at all, I have to say I haven't seen a betrayal of such extent since late 90's or so. David Fuller is a liar, a thief and overall a total cunt. I'm really disgusted there are people like him among Queen fans. |
John S Stuart 30.03.2012 13:32 |
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RMTaylorBest 30.03.2012 13:53 |
Great David.!!!!!! A big shame and a big boooooh for all the RICHE COLLECTORS WHO DON'T WANT PASSIONAL FANS TO GET ACCESS TO RARE SONGS !!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH GREAT DAVID!!!!! PS BOOOOOOOH RICH SELFISH COLLECTORS !!! PPS WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO SPEND MONEY FOR THOSE RARITIES, BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN SO THANK YOU DAVID !!!! PPPS BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH RICH SELFISH COLLECTORS |
face-it-alone 30.03.2012 13:56 |
To John S Stuart, Mr. Scully, The Real Wizard, YourValentine, Rien, brians wig: Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. (All big words! Maybe you should have a look in the mirror) |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 14:01 |
Yeah, great! One share now, and ten future shares that will never happen, no matter how much of a sense of entitlement you think you have. But of course, it is human nature to not understand the concept of long term effects of a choice made now.. How much have you nay-sayers contributed? How much music would have been shared here if it would not be for the aforementioned group of people? And countless others whom you have omitted because you have no idea of how music circulates behind the scenes.. Questions which you obviously don't know the answers to. But you guys hiding behind aliases are welcome to keep pretending you do. |
snelly1 30.03.2012 14:09 |
Sounds like a breach of trust finally closes the door on what was a fantastic community supported by some truely dedicated real people...Been a Queen fan myself since 1975 with some treasured stuff of my own. Won't be coming back here...sorry to read about what happened to you John S Stuart and others. |
DavidRFuller 30.03.2012 14:14 |
The Real Wizard - Where did Queen In Cornwall get theirs from then? Don't say things that you don't know about. I brought a ton to the table in that group and still haven't leaked anything that I only obtained in that group. Again, you're welcome to all the true fans who don't bitch and hoard. Peace out |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 14:18 |
Learn to read. -> Only one acetate of "this particular configuration of material" exists I'm well aware of other copies. I've been at this a hell of a lot longer than you have. |
deleted user 30.03.2012 14:19 |
Is this the wrong time to ask if the Hangman acetate can be shared? |
people on streets 30.03.2012 14:30 |
Mr. Scully wrote: I'm too "old" to care about rarities, trades in general, seeders and leechers or even Queen with the c-lebrity called Adam Lambert. In fact I "don't care anymore" - there are far more important things in my life than Queen.Exactly how I feel. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 30.03.2012 14:32 |
Interesting discussion... I agree with Bob on this one.... If this is a revolution as some people claim , it is a revolution like operation Walküre torn down before the new goverment was settled in Berlin 1944... This will turn into a minimal great new shares in the announce section... The "elite" which has been spoken of previous in this topic is hardly represented on Queenzone, most of them never read these topics, or post something on here... Of course they will hear of this incident and will be more carefull with their own precious recordings. The beggers on this site really have to be aware that in some cases really indeed thousends of euro's are being payed for a reeltape, acetate , demo etc.etc. The moment it is shared here the value of an item will decrease to a minimum. I am a reeltape collector as well, I love the reels , the older they are the more you need to pay... and moslty there is nothing new on these things... But you don;t know it as long as you don;t put the thing on the machine and listnen to it's content... The test pressing of HS album features the David Bowie Cool cat version,untill know only a crappy high gen bootleg version goes around... So is DRF or any other begger willing to pay about 600-800 euro for this and put it online ? Then you will be a hero... I always laugh about those people who are begging for the French Promo Edit of Boh Rhap.... well it's nothing more as a butchered version of the song... simular to the version as played on Live Magic... Though the curiousity wins .... to obtain something you don;t have , only read about... But once you have it , you will listnen to it once or twice and be very dissapointed... So any one willing to pay 700 euro's for a Boh Rhap Edit ? I am really dissapointed in DRF his choice... don't expect any shares from GHOSTWITHASMILE this year... I planned a very exciting project ... but thanks to situations like these I don;t enjoy the sharing anymore... This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online... |
John S Stuart 30.03.2012 14:33 |
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deleted user 30.03.2012 14:37 |
John S Stuart wrote:Doesn't minidisc use ATRAC compression (lossy, even if minimal)DJGreg wrote: These tracks are not in lossless quality. Anyway - thanks.Ofcourse they are lossless. They are from Mini Disc. Some thing "Queen in Cornwall" has not had access too. I wonder how he will reply to this thread? Can anyone contact him? |
thefallenqueen 30.03.2012 14:47 |
Well I don't have the heart to say thank you after this discussion - where I and most of us do not know what it's all about. So I wonder if this is the right place for it. Reason for this fight seems not to be these acetate(s) but far beyond. Nice to hear these songs anyway. |
Holly2003 30.03.2012 14:55 |
ghostwithasmile wrote: Interesting discussion... I agree with Bob on this one.... If this is a revolution as some people claim , it is a revolution like operation Walküre torn down before the new goverment was settled in Berlin 1944... This will turn into a minimal great new shares in the announce section... The "elite" which has been spoken of previous in this topic is hardly represented on Queenzone, most of them never read these topics, or post something on here... Of course they will hear of this incident and will be more carefull with their own precious recordings. The beggers on this site really have to be aware that in some cases really indeed thousends of euro's are being payed for a reeltape, acetate , demo etc.etc. The moment it is shared here the value of an item will decrease to a minimum. I am a reeltape collector as well, I love the reels , the older they are the more you need to pay... and moslty there is nothing new on these things... But you don;t know it as long as you don;t put the thing on the machine and listnen to it's content... The test pressing of HS album features the David Bowie Cool cat version,untill know only a crappy high gen bootleg version goes around... So is DRF or any other begger willing to pay about 600-800 euro for this and put it online ? Then you will be a hero... I always laugh about those people who are begging for the French Promo Edit of Boh Rhap.... well it's nothing more as a butchered version of the song... simular to the version as played on Live Magic... Though the curiousity wins .... to obtain something you don;t have , only read about... But once you have it , you will listnen to it once or twice and be very dissapointed... So any one willing to pay 700 euro's for a Boh Rhap Edit ? I am really dissapointed in DRF his choice... don't expect any shares from GHOSTWITHASMILE this year... I planned a very exciting project ... but thanks to situations like these I don;t enjoy the sharing anymore... This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. As for the rest of you, stop being such a bunch of whiny fucks. If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough. But let's lay off the "betrayed hero" bulshit -- it's making me ill. ps David Fuller is clearly a wanker. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 30.03.2012 15:04 |
Holly2003 wrote:99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. >> Hmmm no need to I am married to a beautifull girl...ghostwithasmile wrote: Interesting discussion... I agree with Bob on this one.... If this is a revolution as some people claim , it is a revolution like operation Walküre torn down before the new goverment was settled in Berlin 1944... This will turn into a minimal great new shares in the announce section... The "elite" which has been spoken of previous in this topic is hardly represented on Queenzone, most of them never read these topics, or post something on here... Of course they will hear of this incident and will be more carefull with their own precious recordings. The beggers on this site really have to be aware that in some cases really indeed thousends of euro's are being payed for a reeltape, acetate , demo etc.etc. The moment it is shared here the value of an item will decrease to a minimum. I am a reeltape collector as well, I love the reels , the older they are the more you need to pay... and moslty there is nothing new on these things... But you don;t know it as long as you don;t put the thing on the machine and listnen to it's content... The test pressing of HS album features the David Bowie Cool cat version,untill know only a crappy high gen bootleg version goes around... So is DRF or any other begger willing to pay about 600-800 euro for this and put it online ? Then you will be a hero... I always laugh about those people who are begging for the French Promo Edit of Boh Rhap.... well it's nothing more as a butchered version of the song... simular to the version as played on Live Magic... Though the curiousity wins .... to obtain something you don;t have , only read about... But once you have it , you will listnen to it once or twice and be very dissapointed... So any one willing to pay 700 euro's for a Boh Rhap Edit ? I am really dissapointed in DRF his choice... don't expect any shares from GHOSTWITHASMILE this year... I planned a very exciting project ... but thanks to situations like these I don;t enjoy the sharing anymore... This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. As for the rest of you, stop being such a bunch of whiny fucks. If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough. But let's lay off the "betrayed hero" bulshit -- it's making me ill. And yes that's a point only a few people share great stuff here most of the users only download overhere. I am not speaking of sharing something like a new japanese bootleg... But something new... You could use other words ... "Go fuck yourself pal" |
Holly2003 30.03.2012 15:04 |
scallyuk wrote: ah the elite have spoken. don;t you realise that it's the hoarders who spend thousands that drive the price UP, that's why you spend thousands because if you weren't so keen to buy it for yourselves there would be less demand and therefore a lower price. Then it wouldn't matter if it got shared. You are competing against each other to buy it anyway, if the aim was to buy and share it then the value would go down because fewer people would worry about "owning it" One person would own the original which would have it's own collectable value but the content would benefit us all and be worthless. Don't make people promise not to share stuff, as Roger said believe in yourself and NOBODY else. "trust no-one. promises were made to be broken. " all cliche's but all true. If it's that fucking important don't share it with anyone, listen to it in your little ivory towers and play who's got the biggest, I don't care anymore. I no longer care if it's FLAC, mp3 or nth gen. I'll give it a listen and decide whether it's actually ANY GOOD. Over the years I've realised that most of it isn't brilliant, unique or perfect. There are other musicians, bands and genres that hold my attention these days. From my perspective as someone who once was able to spend hundreds if not thousands on Queen and now realises that with a family and mortgage there are other priorities. . Thanks DaveYep. 100%. |
DJGreg 30.03.2012 15:07 |
I checked out all of the tracks - they have the same spectres as the mp3 with the 128 kbps bitrate, so - that's not lossless, but lossy. |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 15:08 |
Holly2003 wrote: If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough.And that's where you should have left it. When you have spent decades and tens of thousands of dollars on music that nobody else has, maybe you won't be so quick to attempt to discredit those who got burned by someone cashing in. 99% of all hoarded music is released in good time. And always for a good reason - for the benefit of everyone. Ghostofasmile is right. Perhaps "beggar" is a bit too harsh of a word, but the list of people who contribute new things in collecting communities is very small compared to the people who simply come to eat and run. And these people, whose sense of entitlement is bigger than their common sense, are always the ones who are loudest in their criticism of those who seek out the new stuff and thereby have an informed opinion on the matter. People whose involvement in old music doesn't go beyond pointing and clicking simply do not know what they are talking about. It'd be like saying customers at a restaurant know more than the chef about how to prepare the food. |
Holly2003 30.03.2012 15:09 |
ghostwithasmile wrote:And many people on the forum use it as ... get this .. a forum. I repeat myself: go fuck yourself. I couldn't give a fuck about your rarities or your fucking trades. Shove them up your bangle.Holly2003 wrote:99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. >> Hmmm no need to I am married to a beautifull girl... And yes that's a point only a few people share great stuff here most of the users only download overhere. I am not speaking of sharing something like a new japanese bootleg... But something new... You could use other words ... "Go fuck yourself pal"ghostwithasmile wrote: Interesting discussion... I agree with Bob on this one.... If this is a revolution as some people claim , it is a revolution like operation Walküre torn down before the new goverment was settled in Berlin 1944... This will turn into a minimal great new shares in the announce section... The "elite" which has been spoken of previous in this topic is hardly represented on Queenzone, most of them never read these topics, or post something on here... Of course they will hear of this incident and will be more carefull with their own precious recordings. The beggers on this site really have to be aware that in some cases really indeed thousends of euro's are being payed for a reeltape, acetate , demo etc.etc. The moment it is shared here the value of an item will decrease to a minimum. I am a reeltape collector as well, I love the reels , the older they are the more you need to pay... and moslty there is nothing new on these things... But you don;t know it as long as you don;t put the thing on the machine and listnen to it's content... The test pressing of HS album features the David Bowie Cool cat version,untill know only a crappy high gen bootleg version goes around... So is DRF or any other begger willing to pay about 600-800 euro for this and put it online ? Then you will be a hero... I always laugh about those people who are begging for the French Promo Edit of Boh Rhap.... well it's nothing more as a butchered version of the song... simular to the version as played on Live Magic... Though the curiousity wins .... to obtain something you don;t have , only read about... But once you have it , you will listnen to it once or twice and be very dissapointed... So any one willing to pay 700 euro's for a Boh Rhap Edit ? I am really dissapointed in DRF his choice... don't expect any shares from GHOSTWITHASMILE this year... I planned a very exciting project ... but thanks to situations like these I don;t enjoy the sharing anymore... This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. As for the rest of you, stop being such a bunch of whiny fucks. If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough. But let's lay off the "betrayed hero" bulshit -- it's making me ill. |
Holly2003 30.03.2012 15:17 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Who elected you King of Queenzone censorship Bob? I'm not discrediting anyone. Do you even know what the word means? Some of you have a bizarre sense of your own self worth. Having a rare item doesn't make you better than any of us and some of the loose and ugly language used here about beggars and your comments about "dumb" Queen fans earlier today is fucking insulting.Holly2003 wrote: If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough.And that's where you should have left it. When you have spent decades and tens of thousands of dollars on music that nobody else has, maybe you won't be so quick to attempt to discredit those who got burned by someone cashing in. |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 30.03.2012 15:23 |
I would like to add : I never knew the word BEGGAR is such a harsh word... In my country we use this word many times in jokes and all it's not a bad thing to say to anyone... Maybe I sould have said : 99% are demanding queenzoneforummembers and 1% are the giving queenzoneforummembers... I didn't mean to offend anyone overhere... |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 15:24 |
Holly2003 wrote: Having a rare item doesn't make you better than any of usNobody said it was. You're the first to suggest it. Why don't you go to a science forum and tell scientists who tell climate change deniers to go back to church that they are engaging in "censorship" ? When people are directly involved in a particular practice, they tend to have a greater expertise than those who aren't. your comments about "dumb" Queen fans earlier today is fucking insulting.So it is intelligent people who suggest a small group of fans of one band are the reason why a huge rock festival with dozens of bands playing in several countries was canceled? |
Holly2003 30.03.2012 15:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote:It's your generalisations that are the problem. You're smart enough to know what they are and you still choose to use them. So it's deliberately insulting and you know it.Holly2003 wrote: Having a rare item doesn't make you better than any of usNobody said it was. You're the first to suggest it. Why don't you go to a science forum and tell scientists who tell climate change deniers to go back to church that they are engaging in "censorship" ? When people are directly involved in a particular practice, they tend to have a greater expertise than those who aren't.your comments about "dumb" Queen fans earlier today is fucking insulting.So it is intelligent people who suggest a small group of fans of one band are the reason why a huge rock festival with dozens of bands playing in several countries was canceled? |
Flash Jazz 30.03.2012 15:33 |
...And a sad day it is |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 15:43 |
Holly2003 wrote: It's your generalisations that are the problem. You're smart enough to know what they are and you still choose to use them. So it's deliberately insulting and you know it.Fair play. But naturally I wasn't having a go at all Queen fans. And no need to hijack a thread with dirty laundry from another. Back to topic.. |
Holly2003 30.03.2012 16:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote:The topic is not being hijacked. It's the attitude that sucks -- and this incident shows it, as does the comment ON THIS TOPIC labelling 99% of Queenzoners "beggars". I have sympathy for the person whose trust was broken but the reaction is bringing out a nasty streak among some of you --very "toys out of the pram". Here's an idea: why not punish David Fuller instead of everyone on Queenzone? Why the "your all going to suffer" attitude (not just cause and effect -- attitude)?Holly2003 wrote: It's your generalisations that are the problem. You're smart enough to know what they are and you still choose to use them. So it's deliberately insulting and you know it.Fair play. But naturally I wasn't having a go at all Queen fans. And no need to hijack a thread with dirty laundry from another. Back to topic.. |
MERQRY 30.03.2012 16:07 |
I won't download this share cause is "ill-gotten" anyway i must say i dont care too much about "The Reaction" music... i'd always prefer that Queen productions release an official dvd... i guess the only "ill-gotten" track i'd download is "Hangman" but i think nobody is so dumb to share that track with a wanker like Dave R Fuller (A.K.A Judas bald) I understand the point of people like bob... if i'd spent much money in a tape and trust in a man to "keep alive" that tape and later this man without my permission share it with everybody here... i'd be furious and dissapointed... I hope this kind of behavior doesn't mean that people who have a track will stop to share... i don't wanna a dry zone... At the moment i'm working in a lossless (relatively rare) live share and i will go on... Cheers! |
Gregsynth 30.03.2012 16:13 |
This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans! |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 30.03.2012 16:22 |
Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!Greg you do know wardour already released the wembely 1986 shows ;-) Well is it 70's or 80's ? |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 16:27 |
Holly2003 wrote: Why the "your all going to suffer" attitude (not just cause and effect -- attitude)?That's not my call, or anyone in this thread. We're just reporting it as it is. It's people who don't even post here whose attitudes towards Queen collectors will likely change. And as a result, less music will ultimately be enjoyed by everyone. |
Gregsynth 30.03.2012 16:31 |
ghostwithasmile wrote:Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!Greg you do know wardour already released the wembely 1986 shows ;-) Well is it 70's or 80's ? It's a 70s show! I love those Wembley recordings. Thank God Wardour actually took the time to release those! |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 30.03.2012 16:32 |
Happy birthday mr Barnes ! |
brENsKi 30.03.2012 16:55 |
this one has left me feeling a bit weird one part of me wants to hear these (and all) rarities the other can't deal with how they got here so guess what? i downloaded them...and instantly deleted them....couldnt bring myself to play them lossless or otherwise on the davidrfuller subject: is the guy a cunt? NO is he severely misguided in his self-important "hero" delusions? probably will QZ ever recover from this? yes we have had plenty of subsequent "leaks" following "houston" so this won't be the last...only difference will be that the pace of leaks will reduce from steady tide, to trickle (post houston) to infreqent drips (post reaction) this guy has leaked other stuff previously, don't these traders ever learn? if he broke your "rules" months ago - why give him another chance? surely that only doubles the crime? i'm not criticising anyone, mistakes on all sides a sad day for this community, but it will recover and it will be fine again soon |
MERQRY 30.03.2012 17:13 |
Gregsynth wrote:Lemme guess... lemme guess... there is a pot or a caldron with gold under it??ghostwithasmile wrote:It's a 70s show!I love those Wembley recordings. Thank God Wardour actually took the time to release those!Gregsynth wrote:This had to happen on my birthday!Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!Greg you do know wardour already released the wembely 1986 shows ;-)Well is it 70's or 80's ? |
MERQRY 30.03.2012 17:15 |
brENsKi wrote: this one has left me feeling a bit weird one part of me wants to hear these (and all) rarities the other can't deal with how they got here so guess what? i downloaded them...and instantly deleted them....couldnt bring myself to play them lossless or otherwise on the davidrfuller subject: is the guy a cunt? NO is he severely misguided in his self-important "hero" delusions? probably will QZ ever recover from this? yes we have had plenty of subsequent "leaks" following "houston" so this won't be the last...only difference will be that the pace of leaks will reduce from steady tide, to trickle (post houston) to infreqent drips (post reaction) this guy has leaked other stuff previously, don't these traders ever learn? if he broke your "rules" months ago - why give him another chance? surely that only doubles the crime? i'm not criticising anyone, mistakes on all sides a sad day for this community, but it will recover and it will be fine again soonAMEN... but one thing is true... Dave hasn't sense of duty... just in case i won't trust my home made brew to him... being serious... we'll recover us sooner than latter... if not we can get the golden key and stole all QP archive... |
david (galashiels) 30.03.2012 17:56 |
can i see if i have this right?. a group of collectors get together to share/exchange very rare songs on the understanding that it stays within that group. the songs have not been released and are only avaliable to this group(making them even more rare). and one person decides to release the songs for public listening after the groups normal condition is,,,,,just to share within the group. and the members of the group have paid sums of money to ensure the songs stay within the group. if this is my understanding of this group,then surley the person who shared the songs is wrong to share the songs. now i dont care whether the songs are rare or not,but to share something that has (what i presume) an understanding that they wont be made public is not very nice or curties to the other group members. i understand some of the feelings about,hell yes we got some rare stuff here,but people have paid good money to collect this stuff and as such are pissed of that they are being shared willy nilly. this kind of rare stuff dose not interest me as im not a serious collector,but there are many who will grab them with both hands. as for the sharer ,i think this is wrong and a bit underhand to the other group members. i hope i have the facts correct..sorry if i have not. |
Wiley 30.03.2012 17:59 |
Too bad this happened. Even if I haven't downloaded a single torrent, FLAC or MP3 in the last 3 or 4 years or so, I sympathize with the people who hunt for this material and sometimes pay a good amount of money to get it, only for someone to release it for free afterwards. This is not about hoarders and leachers, heroes or villians. If somebody trusts you with something and you make a promise and don't live up to that promise, well, that's wrong. Think about it, in order to be considered a "hoarder" you must first get a hold of the material. Doing this requires research, time, effort and -more often than not- Money. Around the time Q+PR first toured I got a hold of a couple of audience recordings which were not freely available (at the time, at least) and I kept them for myself only because I wouldn't have had access to them if those people hadn't trusted me in the first place. By the way (sorry for the long rant) I never thought I, who started being a Queen fan in 1992 (10 yrs old), would feel OLD within the Queen fandom! "In my days" most of the material was not freely available and one mouse click away. The only Queen concerts I had heard or seen were the official releases. I didn't see Hammersmith '75 until around 2005! Now it's all on You Tube but I rarely see it. It feels cheap... pointless. |
brians wig 30.03.2012 19:01 |
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brians wig 30.03.2012 19:18 |
David. If you're adamant you are not sharing recordings you acquired from the group, then you won't be sharing anything else that was "exclusive" will you? I hope you can see how suspicious it looks that these recordings are only now seeing the light of day AFTER you left the group... |
The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 19:22 |
He says he just coincidentally happened to pick up all of his goods from other sources after he joined the group. You need to learn to read ;) ^ in my best Chief Wiggum voice. |
Fireplace 30.03.2012 19:53 |
I think JSS summed it up nicely: "....it's not about the music.....". Perhaps that's the problem. It appears now I won't be getting some rare releases that I wouldn't have been getting in the first place, someone's calling his lawyer for being called "a cunt" (if I got a dime for every time...etc.), The Real Wizard calls people with nicknames cowards (so apparently his was born with that name), and though 99% of the Queenzoners have not been made privy to this KGB-elite-super-top-secret whatchamcallit we get to enjoy all the ensuing dirt and are told off for not contributing to something we didn't know existed in the first place. Kindly take your fighting to the schoolyard outside and let me be a mooching, begging, ignorant, common, non-contributing, decidedly un-royal & un-loyal, minnow-in-all-matters-Queen cunt in peace.I was just fine as long as I didn't know. Best of luck and thank you. |
Eric Taylor 30.03.2012 19:55 |
F**k you David!!! Thank you very very much!! Oh God! What amazing share!!! thank you! |
A Word In Your Ear 30.03.2012 23:29 |
Trust, is a big issue, why sell your soul for 30 pieces of silver? Tut!! Tut!! shame on you Mr. Fuller!!!!! |
inu-liger 31.03.2012 00:26 |
Wow, thanks for sending us back into the Stone Ages David! PRIORITY THINKING FOR PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSIBILITIES |
eYe 31.03.2012 01:40 |
I will not download this. Thank you very much to the "elite hoarders" for all the shares and all the effort, time and money you put into them. Without you I wouldn't have gigabytes on my harddisks. |
DJGreg 31.03.2012 01:47 |
pittrek wrote: OK, taken from QueenVault.com : Buona Serra Written by Peter de Rose/Carl Sigman Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared Just A Little Bit Written by Ralph Bass/Buster Brown/John Thornton/Fasts Washington Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared What's On Your Mind Written by Shelby Smith Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as mp3 I'll Go Crazy Written by James Brown Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as a flac sample In The Midnight Hour Written by Cropper/Wilson Pickett Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : Shared as flac I Got You (I Feel Good) Written by James Brown Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as flac So ... anybody has the missing tracks ? This year seams to be very nice for Queen fans :-)Here you got the other tracks. |
kthrss5 31.03.2012 02:12 |
I won't download this. Thanks for uploading but please play fair to another collectors. And YES - without "elitist" collectors we would have nothing on tracker so I can't offer them nothing but big THANK YOU for their kindness. |
inu-liger 31.03.2012 02:17 |
Now with more....Angry Bird phrasing... |
inu-liger 31.03.2012 02:23 |
Actually no, THIS is more aptly fitting: |
tsskiller 31.03.2012 02:28 |
This situation closely resembles this song, therefore I have no other comment. |
john bodega 31.03.2012 03:37 |
Eurgh, what a retarded thread. The answer to your problems is staring you in the face. Get together and make sure his Youtube channel goes down for good. |
Tim June 31.03.2012 04:02 |
No thanks! I don't want this rip-off. |
brians wig 31.03.2012 04:28 |
eYe wrote: I will not download this. Thank you very much to the "elite hoarders" for all the shares and all the effort, time and money you put into them. Without you I wouldn't have gigabytes on my harddisks.NO no. Download it. It's out now so don't cut your nose off to spite your face. |
brians wig 31.03.2012 04:29 |
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Dodger Taylor 31.03.2012 05:10 |
Im not having a go at anyone in particular but its all based of greed.Its the greed of fans/collectors wanting evrything that is the problem here.Whoever made the "elite group" and those who joined it only did so because they wanted everything they did not have from the other members.I am just an innocent bystander who very rarely downloads anything as my interest in queen died along with Freddie but I still keep an eye on discussions here as I have so many great memories of a once great band.I include myself in the greedy people who at one time would of done anything to hear an unheard Queen track.If people want to share its upto them but is it just self importance or one upmanship that makes you feel like you have to have more than everyone else. |
john bodega 31.03.2012 05:28 |
I feel like the greatest judge of character on the Planet Earth. I could've told you years ago that Dave Fuller was a duplicitous, self-interested cockbag, but you wouldn't have believed me. It was all 'but what about his wonderful Youtube channel?'. Fuck, vindication has a sweet taste. |
Ale_Pisa 31.03.2012 05:40 |
Thank you... :( I search this for years but now... I'm not happy... :(( |
inu-liger 31.03.2012 05:47 |
You know what? I will have to admit something and come clean with this...I WAS invited initially to take part in the group (won't say by who, out of respect for their wishes) to help with sorting out the cataloguing and stuff. By no means was I GUARANTEED any rarities right off the bat, as it was obviously and made quite clear to be a long term project with any rewards to be potentially had near the end of the line! However, the timing wasn't good as I was already committed to the Breakthru convention and the concert therein, as well as dealing with personal life issues which I will not get into. And NOW that I'm in more of a state to be able (theoretically) to jump into this and help pick up the pieces, Dave has completely afaik not only fucked over any chances I could have had to get involved however belatedly, BUT he also timed it ironically very well when it WAS going to be more convenient to me to be available! So yeah, FUCK YOU David! |
YourValentine 31.03.2012 05:53 |
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pittrek 31.03.2012 06:40 |
Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!Happy birthday ! |
pittrek 31.03.2012 06:50 |
Interesting discussion here. A little bit TOO personal, but I can fully understand both groups of people here. It's very simple - there is absolutely NO problem with the fact that the tracks were shared here. Absolutely none. The problem is that these tracks were shared WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNER. That's all. As I said, it's simple. "Only" a promise was broken. Nobody was murdered,or something similar. Somebody "only" didn't keep his word. Maybe I'm old-fashioned but words like "honour", "trust", "friendship" etc. mean something to me. And I think it's sad that somebody prefers to be a hero for a couple of collectors than to keep his word |
pittrek 31.03.2012 06:55 |
What will happen now ? The owner paid a lot of bucks for an acetate which is pretty useless for him now, since he can't get any more rare material for it. The sharer will be a huge hero for a couple of Queen collectors, but he destroyed his own reputation. He will never get something rare anymore, because everybody who owns some REALLY rare stuff will know that he shares everything he has. |
pittrek 31.03.2012 06:56 |
DJGreg wrote:Yes, that's nice. Just a little problem - they were not shared by the owner of these tracks, which creates a small moral problem.pittrek wrote: OK, taken from QueenVault.com : Buona Serra Written by Peter de Rose/Carl Sigman Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared Just A Little Bit Written by Ralph Bass/Buster Brown/John Thornton/Fasts Washington Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared What's On Your Mind Written by Shelby Smith Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as mp3 I'll Go Crazy Written by James Brown Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as a flac sample In The Midnight Hour Written by Cropper/Wilson Pickett Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : Shared as flac I Got You (I Feel Good) Written by James Brown Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as flac So ... anybody has the missing tracks ? This year seams to be very nice for Queen fans :-)Here you got the other tracks. |
pittrek 31.03.2012 06:57 |
people on streets wrote:Well I don't agree. If I remember correctly Bob always only tried to persuade people who have / had rare stuff to share it, which is something different from this caseThe Real Wizard wrote: As always, the most opinionated people are those who have zero hands-on experience in the subject at hand. In this case, it is those who have never lifted a finger to obtain an uncirculated recording. They have no idea of how difficult and how expensive it can be to obtain certain recordings. Sharing a bootleg that was sold by a Japanese company is not the same as backstabbing collectors for without whom this section of the forum would be nearly empty. You people obviously have little idea of how most of the recordings get from the source to your pointing and clicking. David Fuller, you have all but killed the sharing spirit of the Queen community with your complete disregard for the people who have spent decades and tens of thousands to obtain the material that you are treating like a dime-a-dozen viral youtube video. Your bounty will soon be dry, and the Queen community will never know how much deeper it may have been, because people will certainly hold back from sharing purely so that you cannot reap the rewards of their work. You should be proud of yourself.Is this the same Bob most so called 'elite traders' know? Wow! You sure changed your opinion 180 degrees on this matter. |
A Word In Your Ear 31.03.2012 07:44 |
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john bodega 31.03.2012 09:59 |
It's okay guys. It comes with a readme that explains that it's remastered by Dave R Fuller. God only knows what that means. I'm assuming he mouth-breathed at the computer screen for a couple of minutes while uploading it, which probably counts as remastering in his book. |
brians wig 31.03.2012 10:23 |
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Dodger Taylor 31.03.2012 11:46 |
Im sure the original sources for everything shared here were at some point given on a "never to be shared" basis.While I dont particularly agree with whats happened here,surely without some underhand methods nothing would ever have seen the light of day and be lost in the vaults forever |
The Real Wizard 31.03.2012 12:13 |
Fireplace wrote: though 99% of the Queenzoners have not been made privy to this KGB-elite-super-top-secret whatchamcallit we get to enjoy all the ensuing dirt and are told off for not contributing to something we didn't know existed in the first place.Clearly there is a misunderstanding here. Collectors have been chasing after rare music for decades. It has nothing to do with one particular small group of people. Anyone is welcome to start trying. |
Fireplace 31.03.2012 12:29 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I was referring to the top-secret Facebook summit group conference thingie, Mr. Wizard. I am obviously aware of collectors, but what started as something that had nothing to do with QZ should perhaps have remained there. The 99% I was referring to are now being made part of a private feud that should have stayed outside QZ. And yes, so should the download link. I hope the people involved manage to resolve their differences so we can go back to the most interesting exchanges of information we have all grown used to. Well, sometimes that is.Fireplace wrote: though 99% of the Queenzoners have not been made privy to this KGB-elite-super-top-secret whatchamcallit we get to enjoy all the ensuing dirt and are told off for not contributing to something we didn't know existed in the first place.Clearly there is a misunderstanding here. Collectors have been chasing after rare music for decades. It has nothing to do with one particular small group of people. Anyone is welcome to start trying. |
Lord Fickle 31.03.2012 12:46 |
As far as I can see, the outside group would have remained outside of QZ, were it not for the upload that started this thread. You can only blame one person for that. |
queenboot 31.03.2012 13:10 |
nice share - thank you |
The Real Wizard 31.03.2012 13:13 |
Dodger Taylor wrote: surely without some underhand methods nothing would ever have seen the light of day and be lost in the vaults foreverNot necessarily, as per Brian's Wig's post above. |
pma 31.03.2012 13:49 |
I did not download this However, this thread itself was surprisingly interesting. As a former trader (quit in 2004) of unauthorized live recordings, I have always been baffled by the trading community's concept of ownership. When discussing the and by this I mean, someone acting "without the permission of the owner", I highly doubt that purchasing an acetate has in these cases meant that the actual copyright (intellectual property) of the master recording, and the copyrights of the original songwriters and performers were also transferred to the person who made the purchase. Therefore, I would steer clear of using terms like "ownership" in these cases, unless you refer to physical property. Then again, are digital files an extension of this property? What are their legal status? Nevertheless, in terms of physical property, the owner of the acetate clearly "owns" the acetate itself and can do whatever he/she pleases with it (like give/borrow it to trusty ol' QProd) When talking about the distribution rights of copyrighted content, we all know who actually owns this material. If you want something to remain as your "property", the only sure way to achieve this is by keeping it to yourself. No, the previous was not a defense of the topic starter. Just an observation. |
Hangman_96 31.03.2012 14:27 |
Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!Hyde Park I guess? |
Hangman_96 31.03.2012 14:34 |
This is going to be one of the most saddest days on QZ. All I can say is that it all is very disappointing. Mr Fuller, you have disappointed me. |
The Real Wizard 31.03.2012 14:45 |
pma wrote: I did not download this However, this thread itself was surprisingly interesting. As a former trader (quit in 2004) of unauthorized live recordings, I have always been baffled by the trading community's concept of ownership. When discussing the and by this I mean, someone acting "without the permission of the owner", I highly doubt that purchasing an acetate has in these cases meant that the actual copyright (intellectual property) of the master recording, and the copyrights of the original songwriters and performers were also transferred to the person who made the purchase. Therefore, I would steer clear of using terms like "ownership" in these cases, unless you refer to physical property. Then again, are digital files an extension of this property? What are their legal status? Nevertheless, in terms of physical property, the owner of the acetate clearly "owns" the acetate itself and can do whatever he/she pleases with it (like give/borrow it to trusty ol' QProd) When talking about the distribution rights of copyrighted content, we all know who actually owns this material. If you want something to remain as your "property", the only sure way to achieve this is by keeping it to yourself. No, the previous was not a defense of the topic starter. Just an observation.A very valid standpoint. But in the case of these tracks - it was a cover band in the 1960s. It has nothing to do with Queen Productions, even if one of the members of the cover band later ended up being a member of Queen. |
Gregsynth 31.03.2012 14:55 |
Lostman wrote:Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!Hyde Park I guess? link You guessed right! |
bigV 31.03.2012 15:42 |
On the one hand I'm happy this got released - I've been waiting for this release for years. But it's kinda bittersweet... I could have waited a couple of years more if it meant that more rarities would see the light of day. Now we can forget about The Opposition acetates and so on. Anyway, I'm going to sleep in the midnight hour. Yes, I am! V. |
inu-liger 31.03.2012 15:59 |
Now we know who "Death On Two Legs" should have been dedicated to! |
pma 31.03.2012 16:05 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Even with cover bands, the performers have a claim on the recording they created, whereas the respective songwriters have their claim on the actual songs they created (their intellectual property), no matter who performed them. Just to make sure, I was not suggesting QProd has any claim on this material as intellectual/physical property, the people who wrote the music (plus the performers present on the recording) do have their claim on the intellectual property.pma wrote: I did not download this However, this thread itself was surprisingly interesting. As a former trader (quit in 2004) of unauthorized live recordings, I have always been baffled by the trading community's concept of ownership. When discussing the and by this I mean, someone acting "without the permission of the owner", I highly doubt that purchasing an acetate has in these cases meant that the actual copyright (intellectual property) of the master recording, and the copyrights of the original songwriters and performers were also transferred to the person who made the purchase. Therefore, I would steer clear of using terms like "ownership" in these cases, unless you refer to physical property. Then again, are digital files an extension of this property? What are their legal status? Nevertheless, in terms of physical property, the owner of the acetate clearly "owns" the acetate itself and can do whatever he/she pleases with it (like give/borrow it to trusty ol' QProd) When talking about the distribution rights of copyrighted content, we all know who actually owns this material. If you want something to remain as your "property", the only sure way to achieve this is by keeping it to yourself. No, the previous was not a defense of the topic starter. Just an observation.A very valid standpoint. But in the case of these tracks - it was a cover band in the 1960s. It has nothing to do with Queen Productions, even if one of the members of the cover band later ended up being a member of Queen. But let's not forget that even if QProd obtained all the acetates that only exist in the hands of collectors, there would be zero guarantee that we'd ever hear any of them on official releases. Come to think of it, Queen itself is the biggest "hoarding elite trader" around, but as they are the authors, they can sit on their material without offending anyone. However, if they ever released a complete anthology, wouldn't it also diminish the value of several private collections (rare tracks etc.). |
inu-liger 31.03.2012 16:12 |
And one more point I would like to throw in the ring: By breaking the trust and progress that WAS coming along in the higher ups' circle in order to become a 'hero' for the greedy many, David has not only reinforced the severe mistrust that was ONLY starting to be overcome, but now has made it even MORE impossible for the real fans to expect any new rarities to enjoy and this will now only serve to increase the stressload that will come from the greedy people's increasing demanding bitchfest. Thanks a lot Dave. You REALLY thought this through! PS. For anyone wondering, I'm pretty sure his actions won't have any effect on future projects from Gary Taylor and ourselves. However we WILL have to really exercise caution in any case, and stick to our established team. |
Mr. Scully 31.03.2012 16:43 |
This is not about copyrights or about intellectual property (although I can see that point). Some newbies here see the "elite collectors" as people living in some sort of castle with walls and masturbating every evening while listening to their unique rarities. But this project was about joining forces of some experiences Queen fans and putting together an ultimate collection of both live and studio tracks, using their knowledge and contacts while respecting each other (incl. wishes and promises). I have a huge respect for all (current) members of that group although I'm not really a friend of some of them. But it was too obvious one group member didn't fit there. First leak was possibly a misunderstanding, second leak was suspicious and suddenly this twat breaks all the promises he has ever given to anybody. I just can't understand it. Theoretically I couldn't give a f*ck, there was no harm done to me at all and I really don't care what is or isn't "out". But this is a betrayal of extreme extent and THAT's what's driving me mad. And when I read his lies and false explanations, I just can't believe my eyes. |
inu-liger 31.03.2012 17:06 |
IF anyone here has him on Facebook, now would be a good time to remove him and shame him through our collective protest, make him REALLY realize just how much he's wronged the fan community big time! link |
saturnnl 31.03.2012 17:13 |
Collectors are a special brand of species It is a pity to see all those hate and jealousy, about people using material that somehow is spread. When you wwant things to keep it your own property, than keep it away from open forums and fan pages A group secret depends on the weakest links. I wonder what the real owners of the material have as opinion about this, rather than a few frustred collectors |
ParisNair 31.03.2012 17:22 |
ghostwithasmile wrote: This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...I must belong to the beggar's population..but what exactly is my fault? Am I supposed to feel guilty of downloading the stuff that you share? |
ParisNair 31.03.2012 17:41 |
The Real Wizard wrote: but the list of people who contribute new things in collecting communities is very small compared to the people who simply come to eat and run. And these people, whose sense of entitlement is bigger than their common sense, are always the ones who are loudest in their criticism of those who seek out the new stuff and thereby have an informed opinion on the matter.Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process". Its unfair to classify all downloaders into a single negative catagory and make it out like we are the pain in the asses. As for the inside story...looks like a clear case of betrayal, and like someone else said, I don't feel like thankng DRF. But please don't mis-direct your frustration on the wrong people. Years ago we had these discussions about lossy sharing Vs lossless sharing. Things got emotional then too, and terms like Nazi was being used against FLACers by those who preferred mp3s. Its the same situation I think...spread awareness about how our actions affect availability of future shares, and we may see a change in attitude fro those who leak "unauthorised" stuff. |
catqueen 31.03.2012 17:46 |
... if someone tells you to protect something you protect it... you don't throw it out to the public... I hope the collectors involved realise that most Queen fans are appalled by the way this was shared -- yes, its great to get material, but not when it's essentially stolen. |
Fireplace 31.03.2012 18:18 |
Mr. Scully wrote: This is not about copyrights or about intellectual property (although I can see that point). Some newbies here see the "elite collectors" as people living in some sort of castle with walls and masturbating every evening while listening to their unique rarities.These wouldn't be the same people who are put down in this thread as "beggars" and "the greedy many" by those same collectors, would they? Funny how you try to negate notions about "elite collectors' while at the same time confirming them. No matter whether David Fuller was in his rights to do this, and I really can't judge that, this is more and more becoming a superiority laden us-against-them-minnows thread. If you, the unsung fifth members of Queen, look down on the majority of board dwellers here that much, why not start your own board restricted to just the nobility among traders? |
Fireplace 31.03.2012 18:21 |
ParisNair wrote: I must belong to the beggar's population..but what exactly is my fault? Am I supposed to feel guilty of downloading the stuff that you share?Nope, you're sorely needed here to make a few extremely righteous people on this board look good compared to greedy beggars such as yourself. Please don't leave! |
Donna13 31.03.2012 19:19 |
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inu-liger 31.03.2012 20:03 |
Personal mileage may vary. The distribution wasn't approved, so approach with caution and download at your own risk. |
MartynTS 31.03.2012 20:06 |
bigV wrote:...Now we can forget about The Opposition acetates and so on...That really is too bad... I personally would be more interested in The Opposition acetates than these (No offense meant to anyone, I'm thankful for any of these "rarities"). It's a shame things had to play out like this, sounds like there could have been some interesting things... |
Kevinrm15 01.04.2012 11:52 |
Don't forget that this bastard has now also shot down my hoarding campaign that I made over 6 months ago. |
Gaabiizz 01.04.2012 12:33 |
Stealin ' I'm glad that something new is shared, but not this way |
bryony 01.04.2012 12:46 |
Where is Sir GH ???? He normally has a 'view' on these things ..... |
PiotreQ 01.04.2012 12:50 |
bryony wrote: Where is Sir GH ???? He normally has a 'view' on these things ..... The Real Wizard - formerly Sir GH ;-) |
inu-liger 01.04.2012 14:54 |
What PiotreQ said ^ |
GuitarMay 01.04.2012 15:55 |
Thanks so much for this gem DavidRFuller !!! |
john bodega 02.04.2012 01:56 |
Ugh, it's not even a gem. One good track in a list of duds. Keep kissing arse, there. |
brians wig 02.04.2012 15:35 |
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john bodega 02.04.2012 15:41 |
I'll wait until I can catch it on Dave's channel, complete with his name on the front of it. |
brians wig 02.04.2012 15:44 |
ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base. |
A Word In Your Ear 02.04.2012 17:12 |
brians wig wrote:Also, It's coming up to the one year anniversary of the Brian & Kerry Tour. Hmmm!! we'll see!!!!ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base. |
inu-liger 03.04.2012 00:12 |
brians wig wrote:inu-liger wrote: And one more point I would like to throw in the ring: By breaking the trust and progress that WAS coming along in the higher ups' circle in order to become a 'hero' for the greedy many, David has not only reinforced the severe mistrust that was ONLY starting to be overcome, but now has made it even MORE impossible for the real fans to expect any new rarities to enjoy...Don't bet on it. Despite Mr Fullers recent behavior, as I've already stated a few times now, the whole point of the group was to collate a definitive archive of unnofficial material that could be shared once complete. The Reaction tracks would have been enjoyed by all eventually (and by eventually I'm NOT talking in the same league as Queen and their "Anthology" that we are STILL waiting for!), but the decision as to when should have been made by John Stuart (As he provided the tracks) and not by Mr Fuller. There WILL be something coming from the group at the latter end of this year, but it's being timed to co-incide with an anniversary date... and that's as much as I'm saying. Infact, thinking about it, there should also be something coming in the first week of May... Not to start and instigate any in-fighting, but why has there been insistence to the contrary otherwise? I've been told that the whole thing was cancelled, honestly. |
Back2TheLight 03.04.2012 02:56 |
I will also not be downloading this, as I don't condone the way it was materialized here on this site, but honestly I just have no interest in it either way. So yes it is a matter of morals and respect (or lack there of), but honestly, it's not something I would go out of my way to play in my car. Err...going way off topic here...if I had something to share with the community here, I'd be happy to, but...I don't have any cool stuff that hasn't already been shared here or other various sites! However...if I was told not to share something out of respect, bet your ass it wouldn't be coming from me! Just sayin... |
Flash Jazz 03.04.2012 06:06 |
brians wig wrote:I think this is fairly silly, when you complain at all the people who can't share. I would do it if I could, there's only one problem..ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base. There is NOTHING to share! All the material is already in your hands!! And the only reason some things aren't in your hands is because you couldn't get it, which means we couldn't get it either. A lot of us have only been fans for a couple of years and there is nothing new to be had, what do you expect us to do?! |
Double-U 03.04.2012 06:25 |
Searching tapes! |
ParisNair 03.04.2012 06:44 |
brians wig wrote:I would if I could. I was a 5 y.o. in 1986. I can't do it now, becos I don's live in the west. There is very little chance that they'll tour anywhere near my place of residence (Mumbai, India).ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base. OK this is only my situation, and I can't speak for the others "who only take and never give back". So my personal message to the sharers is - if u do share, I am greatful to you. If you don't share, so be it. But don't make out yourselves to be Jesus of the queen fans. |
tcc 03.04.2012 07:37 |
ParisNair wrote:brians wig wrote:I would if I could. I was a 5 y.o. in 1986. I can't do it now, becos I don's live in the west. There is very little chance that they'll tour anywhere near my place of residence (Mumbai, India). OK this is only my situation, and I can't speak for the others "who only take and never give back". So my personal message to the sharers is - if u do share, I am greatful to you. If you don't share, so be it. But don't make out yourselves to be Jesus of the queen fans.ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us arecontent with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base. Like you and many others, I also have nothing to share. However, I feel that it is not necessary to fling the last line of your post "But don't make yourselves to be Jesus of queen fans." to those who have shared. Put yourself in their shoes, how would you feel when you share the shows, spend time to upload to a file sharing site and/or torrent it for others to download and enjoy, and someone says things like that ? Most of the people here (sharers and seeders) do things here out of interest and goodwill without expecting thanks but they do not expect unkind words. Like the saying goes, with friends like that, who need enemies ? |
oh-ja 03.04.2012 08:46 |
well, i've been suspecting that young man fuller being an ignorant dumbhead for quite some time now ... hopefully everyone can see clearly now. regards ha-jo |
ParisNair 03.04.2012 09:51 |
@tcc - if u consider my post to be insulting, then i did not start it. it was started by those who called me a beggar, one who "eats and runs", "who only take and never give back", etc. if u read my intital post, you will find that i do respect the collectors. I also acknowledge the efforts in time and money they take to build the record collection, and then share it with us knowing fully well it will become worthless in the collector's world after that. |
tero! 48531 03.04.2012 10:32 |
brians wig wrote: Despite Mr Fullers recent behavior, as I've already stated a few times now, the whole point of the group was to collate a definitive archive of unnofficial material that could be shared once complete.Some people might think I'm an arsehole for asking this, but why should we believe that? Why should we believe that such a compilation would be released all at once, if you (they) weren't ready to release it as smaller segments over a longer period of time? I get it that you (they) would have preferred who and when gets to hear this material, but it just sounds more plausible that this was never going to be available to the wider audience. |
brians wig 03.04.2012 16:14 |
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John S Stuart 03.04.2012 17:59 |
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John S Stuart 03.04.2012 18:07 |
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inu-liger 03.04.2012 19:19 |
John, some people just don't understand the concept of putting to practice PATIENCE. They want it all, and they want it NOW. I can understand now in this context the reason why Fanthology was meant to be kept a secret until the end of the project's completion...the less people know, the faster things would get accomplished, the better. |
Donna13 03.04.2012 22:00 |
You all keep saying this project was a secret but I remember reading about the idea of doing what you were doing when it was first discussed in the serious forum years ago. I think it is a worthwhile project and I can imagine that it has already taken up many hours of work. But just because a person let you down, there is no reason to get discouraged. Live and learn, remember your original goals and continue the project. Now you know that DRF is not going to be someone you trust so in order to move on you need to fill the slot of "video expert" with someone you can trust and be happy with and someone who also wants to work on the project with you. So it is really an opportunity for you to pick a new person with the skills you need to join your group. You can still be a secret group (shhhh ... we won't talk about it or even mention it until you surprise us with your releases). |
Vali 04.04.2012 03:25 |
inu-liger wrote: John, some people just don't understand the concept of putting to practice PATIENCE. They want it all, and they want it NOW. I can understand now in this context the reason why Fanthology was meant to be kept a secret until the end of the project's completion...the less people know, the faster things would get accomplished, the better.where's the button "I Like it" ? |
John S Stuart 04.04.2012 04:16 |
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Flash Jazz 04.04.2012 04:53 |
I am in full support of you fellers. I just don't like to be put down as a leecher because I have nothing to share. |
john bodega 04.04.2012 04:59 |
"have a re-read of all the trolls who have accused us of "5th Queen members"" I dunno about anyone else, but when I said that, it was aimed solely at Fuller. Not really my problem if your comprehension skills haven't gotten any better since 1970. |
ParisNair 04.04.2012 08:47 |
"Jesus to Queen fans" was used by me, like i already stated...only for those who started name calling the downloaders. Otherwise I fully respect collecters and the sharers. The incident at hand is essentially a case of betrayal within the so far secretive collector/collator's group. So why indulge in degrading downloaders? |
John S Stuart 04.04.2012 08:55 |
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John S Stuart 04.04.2012 09:03 |
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Donna13 04.04.2012 10:04 |
Just to clarify, I was not trying to recommend myself for the group. Ha. That would be funny. I can't even figure out my new video editing software after switching from a really old PC computer to an iMac. I haven't taken the time but I will have to learn this stuff eventually. Also my internet is a problem because I live too far from the high speed infrastructure. I could be in the middle of uploading Hangman to Rapidshare and lose my signal. Anyway, I'm glad that the group is together and still able to function after this upsetting episode. |
tero! 48531 04.04.2012 11:44 |
John S Stuart wrote: Sorry still travelling. My point is rather than wait for a deluxe product, you are happy downloading crap and think it's a victory. Then you shoot the guys behind the scenes for coming up with the idea and for not being quick enough in delivery. I really don't get this place. I really don't.Maybe you'll get it if you try to look at this from a perspective of an outsider (who hasn't downloaded any of the material in question)... All we know for certain is that the fanthology hasn't released anything so far, and there has been no announcements or hints to release anything either. At best you're coming off as a amateurs like Queen Productions whose upcoming releases are only annouced after the information has been leaked, and at worst you look like an incestious group of traders who are merely trying to save their public image. |
tero! 48531 04.04.2012 11:54 |
brians wig wrote: That's a fair enough assumption to make and my reply to that is a simple one: As far as the video archive is concerned, I have about 150 tapes that still need capturing and there are a few other peoples collections that I still need to get hold of. Once a reasonable amount of it has been collated, all of the duplicate items need checking and comparing to see which is the best video quality, audio quality, are they complete, do I need to use a few different sources to get the best, most complete version... The last thing we want to do is create something that then needs an upgrade a month or two later when another tape comes in. Of course, there has to be a line drawn somewhere otherwise nothing would ever get released and as it happens one particular collection has been completed and this is what will be released in May. It was always intended for May release, but after the events of the last few days and the expectency of comments like yours, it was felt we may as well make an announcement about it now rather than just posting it anonymously. Some of you will believe that, some of you won't. The fact is that even though the groups existence is now known, we still don't need to post anything if we don't want to, but the intention was always to do so. As for the rarities though: you don't release your Crown Jewels first.Like I commented in another thread somewhere, there is never a point where the collection is complete from a traders point of view... It's a contradiction of terms to say that a group of traders are going to release it ALL for the public. That would make any further trades impossible, wouldn't it? The biggest problem with QP is their lack of communication, and I have to say that you haven't been doing much better in that respect. There's no need for complete lists of recordings or a release date, but it's nice to know general information like "we're working on xxx and we are trying very hard to release something next year". That's what keeps people interested and waiting. |
Micrówave 04.04.2012 15:39 |
Inu-liger wrote: John, some people just don't understand the concept of putting to practice PATIENCE. PATIENCE - Waiting 20 years to hear unreleased demos and live footage, but having to wait another 10 to find out you need to waita little longer. See the problem is Brian and Roger (and to some extent Greg Brooks) have told us that there's really not a whole lot left in the "Rare" folder on the Queen Laptop. Now we find out there's a secret society trading rare and unheard tracks. I became a fan in '78. The reality is that I will be long dead before anything of substance gets released. Apparently this "project" is being aimed at the next generation of Queen fans. Who's idea was this? We should be disappointed the Queen + Adam Lambert thing didn't work out.... because when these tracks finally do get released, the 50 year old Adam Lambert fans won't even remember who Queen is, let alone Hangman Acetate. I mean really, when was the last time you got excited about a rare Righteous Brothers outtake? |
john bodega 05.04.2012 02:03 |
"Oh come on; play fair - you should know better" Sure, but you should slow down and read things through a bit more, is all I was saying. It's pretty clear that the only one I'm genuinely annoyed at here is Fuller. I think the Collector business model is outdated and has to change if you guys really want to stay both relevant and happy, but personally I don't have any problem with you all. You might be more careful in choosing who you deal with though. |
The Real Wizard 06.04.2012 02:12 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I think the Collector business model is outdated and has to change if you guys really want to stay both relevant and happyI fully agree. But unless everyone involved agrees, it isn't going to change. |
john bodega 06.04.2012 02:37 |
Well that's a People problem, not a Collector one. :P |
Leaky Luke 06.04.2012 13:31 |
I used to be the so called "hero" years ago.. putting stuff here that was given to me in order to swear not to leak it out.. I kinda understand both sides. It's good to give a poke to people who try to avoid sharing anything unique to the rest, but on the other hand, THOSE people had to dig deep to get it too and treasure that search. I agree the circle of elite collecting has to break at some point. But not how this is going. A promise is a promise.. and people should learn to stick to that. |
OwenSmith 06.04.2012 15:49 |
Clearly I missed something here. I don't know what the argument is about or who broke what promise. Hell I can't even tell without downloading it whether this material is Queen related or not. At the risk of displaying my ignorance, who or what are "The Reaction"? I have to say the thing that disappoints me about this is seeing such bitterness on Queenzone, from both sides of the argument. This is supposed to be a nice place to share unofficial Queen stuff. |
inu-liger 06.04.2012 16:45 |
The Reaction were a pre-Queen band that had Roger Taylor on drums and lead vocals. They were essentially a cover band. These acetates, some songs on which also featured a singer named Johnny Quale, are of significance as they represent the few known recordings made before Queen were formed. Don't expect them to be up to the later standard of Queen though. They're OK, but to an average joe they would sound like any garage cover band from the 60's. |
deleted user 08.04.2012 13:05 |
Thank you Dave. You have made some wonderful Queen stuff available to us not so rich fans. I always watch your you-tube channel. What the 'elite' do not realise that a lot of us genuine Queen fans cannot afford to buy the rare stuff (food on the table, insurance bills, medical bills, kids' expenses, you get it..), and this is the only way we have any access to it. Thank you for not hiding these gems from us. |
john bodega 08.04.2012 13:51 |
It really isn't a gem, though. Aside from that one hilarious track of Roger singing James Brown, it's more like a burlap sack full of dried up old turds. Now I remember when "You Are The Only One" showed up on the forum. Call me sentimental but I thought that was a beautiful demo. Too bad it never got finished up. |
bryony 11.04.2012 07:00 |
Exactly Apart from Midnight Hour (which is amazing - but has been out for sometime now) how often are you gonna be playing this exactly - once a year ....if that ?! |
Indo77 14.04.2012 03:47 |
Some in the Queenzone community really need to get over themselves. I have no interest downloading the material but if I did I would not hesitate about it or take on some guilt trip that I am letting down some 'elite' collectors. Well done to David releasing this material since it is clear he is not claiming "ownership" of the material. You would think the collectors owned this material in the same way the songwriters and musicians own the material. If they got stung for a crazy sum of money then that was there foolish error of judgement. I once was a "collector" of another genre and was deluded like the queenzoners that myself and the community were some how "special" people who only shared among ourselves. This model fell apart and that was more than 10 years ago. No one in this world owes you anything and you certainly do NOT own the material even if you got stung purchasing it. |
kosimodo 18.04.2012 12:47 |
Finally i came to download it:) Thx David! I wonder why nobody here tried to find the real leak itself, when David says he did get it from somebody else. Not one is wondering. No questions or guessing about who else, if David is not the one, could be. Furthermore i dont see why the original acetate lost any value. It is like having a group of artcollectors come together about one of Van Goghs paintings. Share copies from the real one.. and then get pissed that the rest of world get to see what they are seeing in their get together.. The original painting will still keep its value, doesnt it?! |