| mooghead 28.03.2012 15:05 |
But don't rejoice too much. The shitfest is no doubt just postponed.... link |
| brENsKi 28.03.2012 15:14 |
pmsl this is the funniest bit of queen-related news ever so in essence, non-queen, with nonentity singer, at non-event cancelled still look on the bright side, some poor fucker hasn't got to clean out 20,000 chemical toilets |
| Doga 28.03.2012 15:42 |
And what happens to the Russian gig? |
| brians wig 28.03.2012 15:46 |
Haha! I hope it's down to poor ticket sales and they get the message that no one's interested in Lambert. |
| Michael Allred 28.03.2012 16:04 |
brians wig wrote: Haha! I hope it's down to poor ticket sales and they get the message that no one's interested in Lambert.Yes I'm sure it's all Lambert's fault you fucking dolt. |
| Kevinrm15 28.03.2012 16:19 |
I hope this gives them more time to work on live releases. |
| Russian Headlong 28.03.2012 16:23 |
you're the fucking dolt michael with your pro lambert bs. the fans have voted with their feet. had it been paul rodgers the gig would have sold well. |
| Russian Headlong 28.03.2012 16:23 |
you're the fucking dolt michael with your pro lambert bs. the fans have voted with their feet. had it been paul rodgers the gig would have sold well. |
| Michael Allred 28.03.2012 16:43 |
Russian Headlong wrote: you're the fucking dolt michael with your pro lambert bs. the fans have voted with their feet. had it been paul rodgers the gig would have sold well.you are completely delusional. Paul Rodgers would have singlehandedly saved an entire three day festival???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! |
| brENsKi 28.03.2012 16:48 |
well 2/3 rds of it were doomed from the get-go doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that queen minus freddie plus adam lambert and kiss minus ace/peter or plus ace/peter for that matter is not the greatest ticket seller ever..even the touts/scalpers couldn't be arsed perhaps now, brian, roger, gene and paul will all retire (finally) with whatever modicum of self-respect remains |
| Michael Allred 28.03.2012 16:49 |
brENsKi wrote: well 2/3 rds of it were doomed from the get-go doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that queen minus freddie plus adam lambert and kiss minus ace/peter or plus ace/peter for that matter is not the greatest ticket seller ever..even the touts/scalpers couldn't be arsed perhaps now, brian, roger, gene and paul will all retire (finally) with whatever modicum of self-respect remainsKISS have been doing VERY well w/o Ace and Peter for some time now. |
| Russian Headlong 28.03.2012 17:32 |
michael, you know shit. FACT: the two QPR tours sold out in the uk and the outside gig at hyde park. i can't speak for FNM but KISS headlined Download here in England in 2008 and two years ago sold out an arena tour. you are in the minority. REAL queen fans (i.e. from 70's and 80's) don't want adam lambert and have informed Brian and Roger of this, by not buying tickets. Hip new Queen fans (those not old enough to have seen freddie) have done the same too. At the time of writing it is uncertain if the whole event is cancelled or just the saturday which is when queen and twatface lambert were set to play. you are just a kid and know fuck all like your idiotic friend jazzy mercois so jog on.. |
| Russian Headlong 28.03.2012 17:34 |
KISS are better with Eric and Tommy than with Peter or Ace. Bruce Kulick and Eric Carr were better than Ace and Peter too. |
| Jimmy Dean 28.03.2012 17:38 |
What's a dolt? |
| bigV 28.03.2012 17:55 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: What's a dolt?Here: link V. |
| jpf 28.03.2012 20:11 |
brENsKi wrote: well 2/3 rds of it were doomed from the get-go doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that queen minus freddie plus adam lambert and kiss minus ace/peter or plus ace/peter for that matter is not the greatest ticket seller ever..even the touts/scalpers couldn't be arsed perhaps now, brian, roger, gene and paul will all retire (finally) with whatever modicum of self-respect remainsIn 2010 KISS performed their most successful, longest U.K./European tour so far. Had nothing to do with Peter and Ace. Know what you're talking about next time, dumbass. Brian, Roger, Gene, and Paul will continue to do whatever they want to do. KISS will be touring in the U.K./Europe next year on their "Monster" world tour. You can piss off. |
| jpf 28.03.2012 20:14 |
Russian Headlong wrote: KISS are better with Eric and Tommy than with Peter or Ace. Bruce Kulick and Eric Carr were better than Ace and Peter too.Eric Carr/Bruce Kulick Bruce Kulick/Eric Singer Eric Singer/Tommy Thayer All better than Peter Criss/Ace Frehley. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 28.03.2012 21:21 |
So, this Sonisphere thing was just a big marketing strategy for the Queen Extravaganza, huh? Cheers, Ogre- |
| Doga 29.03.2012 03:07 |
It's official link |
| shanoon 29.03.2012 03:09 |
"We are disappointed to hear of the cancellation of the Sonisphere Festivals as we were very much looking forward to performing with Adam Lambert and particularly as the venue was Knebworth, our last stand with Freddie. We apologise for the disappointment to all those who were looking forward to seeing us. We are working to see if we can redress the situation at some other venue." Roger Taylor and Brian May |
| tomchristie22 29.03.2012 03:32 |
Hrm, I'm not sure what to think of this. Not complaining, but I was interested to see how it would turn out. To further fuel the off-topicness, I prefer Ace to any other KISS lead guitarist, not hugely fond of Peter though. |
| e-man 29.03.2012 04:58 |
let's hope bri and rog take this as a sign that there are people with other opinions than those voiced in Brian May's incoming mail... you can't blame anyone, but there's no denying that had any of the 3 headliners been a major act, enough tickets would have been sold to make the festival happen. i.e = neither KISS, FNM, or Queen & kk are appealing enough for sonisphere furtermore; I bet had they gotten Aerosmith instead of either KISS,FNM or Qkk - they would have sold enough tickets |
| philip storey 29.03.2012 06:21 |
I wonder how many tickets had actually been sold ?Brian and Roger should do a indoor arena type tour,playing to crowds of 2,000 Queen fans.At least Brian and Roger know that they are not the big draw that they once were.Its a shame but it was always going to be a big ask to fill Knebworth with a unheard of singer 40 years younger than themselves. |
| Doga 29.03.2012 07:13 |
To be fair, all this hate versus the AL project remaind me to the begining of the Q+PR thing, now, a lot of people want Paul back, even people who lost the thing in his time for his hate, thanks to Paul i saw Brian & Roger, and was a fantastic night! Remeber the first Paul gig, in South Africa? Was very very bad, but with training they did great things. I can't judge Alan works with only one gig of 10 mins. But i can judge Brian & Roger work, and is usually great, if they choose Alam is his is life after all. If they come to my country, i'll go to see they, just for Brian and Roger, who knows? Maybe they'll do something impressive, maybe they could use Adam's vocal range to play rarities of their first albums (could be great a cover of March Of The Black Queen full) |
| Queen1973 29.03.2012 07:17 |
Yep what a load of shit i got a sameday loan to get my ticket early and now WTF??? this is all i get a email saying>........ It is with very heavy hearts and much regret that we announce the cancellation of Sonisphere Knebworth 2012. Putting the festival together in what is proving to be a very challenging year was more difficult than we anticipated and we have spent the last few months fighting hard to keep Sonisphere in the calendar. Unfortunately circumstances have dictated that we would be unable to run the festival to a standard that both the artists and that Sonisphere's audience would rightly expect. We want to express our deepest regrets to the artists and to thank all the staff, suppliers and contractors who worked so hard with us to try and pull off what has proven to be an impossible task and we know how much they share in our disappointment. We also want to send a huge thanks to the Sonisphere fans who stuck by us and we are so sorry that we can't fulfil what we set out to do. A full refund will be processed back onto your card, please allow 5-7 working days for the refund to clear. If you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact See Tickets at |
| john bodega 29.03.2012 07:54 |
"Remeber the first Paul gig, in South Africa?" It was as good as Q+PR got, honestly. It was the only time Paul ever sounded like he wanted to be there, and the only time he put any effort in. |
| Queen1973 29.03.2012 08:07 |
Ok we could all post saying Queen should do a gig for the fans who have bought tickets but after all these years as a loyal fan im gettin pissed off now.. |
| Doga 29.03.2012 08:23 |
It was as good as Q+PR got, honestly. It was the only time Paul ever sounded like he wanted to be there, and the only time he put any effort in. ------------------------------------------ Was embarrassing! We Will Rock You was funny because even Paul was worried for how big was the mistake in the third verse, i feel bad for him at that moment '' Buddy you're am... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. Rock You! '' Well, Paul Rodgers is Paul Rodgers, and is a great singer, he only has is own style, i can't blame him for sing in his way, not in the Freddie way. The only thing i don't like about Paul is in two years he didn't learnt the lyrics of Radio Ga Ga. :) Lyrics apart, he put a lot of energy in his first tour with Queen, and he lost those ''energy'' at some point of the Cosmos Tour, is saw them in one of their last gigs in Europe before South America, and i can tell you he has the man with more stamina on the stage (Roger & Brian were great too, but more shy, don't know why). He really want to conect with the audience, and he did it) Maybe something went wrong in South America. |
| Queen4ever13 29.03.2012 09:52 |
brians wig wrote: Haha! I hope it's down to poor ticket sales and they get the message that no one's interested in Lambert.You are correct, the fans have spoken, the show doesn't go on without Freddie. |
| Queen4ever13 29.03.2012 10:07 |
Queen alone should have been enough to sell out the concert but they sunk the Sonisphere ship with Lambert. Hey Lambert you’re not in Kansas anymore. Nobody especially in the U.K. took a liking to having an amateur act fronting their beloved Queen. |
| The Real Wizard 29.03.2012 10:08 |
Michael Allred wrote:I said from day one how surprising it was that they wanted to headline a festival with Lambert. He's a big draw in the US, but not really anywhere else.Russian Headlong wrote: you're the fucking dolt michael with your pro lambert bs. the fans have voted with their feet. had it been paul rodgers the gig would have sold well.you are completely delusional. Paul Rodgers would have singlehandedly saved an entire three day festival???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! Paul Rodgers is much more respected. Free was huge in the UK - at least as big as Cream. I don't think anyone in their right mind can deny that. As for the comment you quoted - I think some people don't understand that the entire festival was canceled, not just Q/AL's set. |
| brENsKi 29.03.2012 10:25 |
Michael Allred wrote:the statement i made was very clear. i said minus OR plus ace/peter....in other words it makes no difference - they're not a great ticket seller over herebrENsKi wrote: well 2/3 rds of it were doomed from the get-go doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that queen minus freddie plus adam lambert and kiss minus ace/peter or plus ace/peter for that matter is not the greatest ticket seller ever..even the touts/scalpers couldn't be arsed perhaps now, brian, roger, gene and paul will all retire (finally) with whatever modicum of self-respect remainsKISS have been doing VERY well w/o Ace and Peter for some time now. and the cancellation due to poor ticket sales confirms that i was right |
| brENsKi 29.03.2012 10:30 |
ok here's a theory.....someone made a lot of money for doing nothing and providing less than nothing here think about it - knebworth park capacity - vast let's say the "poor ticket sales" were only 20,000 that's still lots of credit card payments sitting in the organiser's bank account for a month or more - earning interest....nice "non-work" if you can get it |
| the dude 1366 29.03.2012 11:48 |
I'm not crazy about Adam Lambert either, but holy shit. This site really is just a place for people to bitch about Brian. Having said that, someone like Jeff Scott Soto would suit that particular festival better. And having said that, I can bet that someone would also be on here bitching about JSS, just like they did about Paul Rodgers. And if Bri and Roger decided to never do anything since 1991, people would be bitching about them never doing anything and just living off the money. There really isn't much time for them to do stuff. So let them |
| Queen4ever13 29.03.2012 11:52 |
The whole lineup in general wasn't strong enough to draw a packed crowd but Queen being on it should have been enough to carry it. Having Lambert with them certainly didn't help any. |
| Doga 29.03.2012 11:53 |
Well said dude. Let's bitch about everything, is fun!!! Said that, this news are bad, it's not Queen's fault, they have a entire festival behind them, but they are the headliners, so their image is dameged. Maybe they could use this and made a gig ''alone'' in a big stadium and restore their image. |
| moonie 29.03.2012 12:20 |
Lets face it, they were never going to fit at Sonisphere. It's a metal festival. Not the type of place to do a comeback show with an American talent show singer. Maybe they'll end up doing Milton Keynes with a strong support line up. Not interested personally. Saw the last two Q&PR tours, but I draw the line at this. |
| brENsKi 29.03.2012 12:52 |
the dude 1366 wrote: I'm not crazy about Adam Lambert either, but holy shit. This site really is just a place for people to bitch about Brian. Having said that, someone like Jeff Scott Soto would suit that particular festival better. And having said that, I can bet that someone would also be on here bitching about JSS, just like they did about Paul Rodgers. And if Bri and Roger decided to never do anything since 1991, people would be bitching about them never doing anything and just living off the money. There really isn't much time for them to do stuff. So let themi think your viewpoint has little regard for long-time fans' opinions. this has been debated all over. most of the "business decisions" of the last decade have been frowned on by the "older generation" of fans as they grew up with the band and feel that their memories and the queen legacy is being shat upon... btw - a growing number of "newer/younger" fans are saying similar things if bri/Roger had any integrity at all they'd have recruited a permanent singer/bassist and toured and recorded with them for the last decade, at least showing they have some kind of musical common ground and also building up a new rapport with the fans ...what they have done is nothing short of creating a 1991-2012 pantomime/cabaret act akin to the self-parody-farcical-human-resources-revolving-door-mentality that is kiss/deep purple these days purple 91 - 2012 blackmore, gillan, glover, paice, lord, satriani, lyn-turner, airey, morse kiss 91-2012 simmons, stanley, kulick, carr, singer, frehley, criss, thayer, |
| Micrówave 29.03.2012 13:33 |
Wow. Some great stuff in this thread.
the fans have voted with their feet. REAL queen fans (i.e. from 70's and 80's) don't want adam lambert and have informed Brian and Roger of this, by not buying tickets. In 2010 KISS performed their most successful, longest U.K./European tour so far. maybe they could use Adam's vocal range to play rarities of their first albums i got a sameday loan to get my ticket early Queen alone should have been enough to sell out the concert but they sunk the Sonisphere ship with Lambert. someone like Jeff Scott Soto would suit that particular festival better. it's not Queen's fault, they have a entire festival behind them, but they are the headliners, so their image is dameged. |
| cmsdrums 29.03.2012 13:38 |
In a previous thread about the merits of Queen and Adam Lambert, where those with any dignity and sense said it was generally the worst idea since the chocolate teapot, GT wrote: "If you don't like it then don't go to see them live or buy anything with the Queen name on it- it is your choice entirely" I think the public has spoken now, yes?? Ps - I wonder if his suggestion of not buying anything with the Queen name on still stands when it comes to his book? A novel marketing approach I must say, to spend months here publicising and asking for input for a book he's writing with the Queen name on, and then saying to his core audience 'don't buy anything with the Queen name on' - genius! |
| Russian Headlong 29.03.2012 14:37 |
The Question which should now being asked is why did Paul Rodgers fall out of favour. Lets have the real reasons. |
| Doga 29.03.2012 15:56 |
All the Sonispheres are vanish! (Except the spanish, i think) I dunno Queen + Adam Lambert has nothing to do with those festivals in those countries. You know, economical world crisis, maybe the organization has problems with the bank... |
| dowens 29.03.2012 21:06 |
Just read that the other festivals in other countries, with Metallica headlining, will go on. I think it's pretty obvious that Lambert is a poor choice to front Queen. Roger and Brian...just record together and sing and please work on the legacy, it's time. |
| Gretsch6120 30.03.2012 04:29 |
I'd be interested to know how many 'casuals' knew PR before he toured with Queen as compared to know who AL is. I must admit that, despite being pro-PR, I hadn't heard of him by name prior to 2004. I could only recognise him when I was told 'he's the bloke that sings "All Right Now". I've not been to enough gigs to be certain but, from what I remember of Liverpool '08, most of the attendees were in the 40+ bracket who, if they're general rock fans, would probably have had a general knowledge of PR, plus most of his own fans are that age too. I'm guessing amongst most young people AL may be well known but I must say that I'm in my 20s and, unless he'd performed with Queen, I'd never have heard of him, I couldn't name a single AL song. Now, while I don't think this makes much difference to Sonisphere, it certainly can't have helped much, and, sticking Queen (of any form) on a heavy metal gig can't have helped either! The only touring partnership I've heard the successful Queen participate in was with Quo in '86. However, I don't believe now that would work as I don't think touring with Quo would put many more bums on seats than Queen + could manage by themselves (as much as I would love a Quo/ Queen gig, sounds like a great night out to me!). |
| emrabt 30.03.2012 06:02 |
[quote]I'd be interested to know how many 'casuals' knew PR before he toured with Queen as compared to know who AL is. [/quote] Paul Rodgers had and still has a massive following, his songs, like queens, are still played on the "main stream" radio stations. If they didn’t know him by name I have no doubt people will have heard his work. I'm not much of a fan but i did know of him, even back in 2004. How many people over 25 have heard of Adam lambert, no one in the UK that i know of? |
| Russian Headlong 30.03.2012 12:22 |
sticking Queen (of any form) on a heavy metal gig can't have helped either! Why not, Queen started out as a Metal band and have always been viewed a hard rock band despite their forray into other genres. No, Lambert was never cut out for the gig, but there is more to it, people can't afford 3 day gigs anymore at the prices being asked. Im over 40 so yes, I do respect and enjoy PR's music in Free and Bad Company and in Queen. Jeff Scott Soto would have been better than Lambert as he's more heavy rock unlike Lambert who would have been crucified by the Sonisphere Crowd. |
| Michael Allred 30.03.2012 22:32 |
Russian Headlong wrote: michael, you know shit. FACT: the two QPR tours sold out in the uk and the outside gig at hyde park. i can't speak for FNM but KISS headlined Download here in England in 2008 and two years ago sold out an arena tour. you are in the minority. REAL queen fans (i.e. from 70's and 80's) don't want adam lambert and have informed Brian and Roger of this, by not buying tickets. Hip new Queen fans (those not old enough to have seen freddie) have done the same too. At the time of writing it is uncertain if the whole event is cancelled or just the saturday which is when queen and twatface lambert were set to play. you are just a kid and know fuck all like your idiotic friend jazzy mercois so jog on..LoL. I DO know shit. You however have proven you DON'T know shit. |
| 4 x Vision 31.03.2012 08:38 |
Doga wrote: To be fair, all this hate versus the AL project remaind me to the begining of the Q+PR thing, now, a lot of people want Paul back, thanks to Paul i saw Brian & Roger, and was a fantastic night!Agreed. |
| brENsKi 31.03.2012 11:07 |
Russian Headlong wrote: sticking Queen (of any form) on a heavy metal gig can't have helped either! Why not, Queen started out as a Metal band no. sorry. queen did NOT start out as a metal band - queen started out as a rock band with some glam/prog tendencies, at the time queen began the "metal bands were those like sabbath and zeppelin, the rock bands were those like queen in between the metal and rock bands were some "hard rock" bands like deep purpleRussian Headlong wrote:and have always been viewed a hard rock band despite their forray into other genres.and queen have not always been viewed as a hard rock band - at best they are viewed as classic rockRussian Headlong wrote:No, Lambert was never cut out for the gig, but there is more to it, people can't afford 3 day gigs anymore at the prices being asked. Im over 40 so yes, I do respect and enjoy PR's music in Free and Bad Company and in Queen. Jeff Scott Soto would have been better than Lambert as he's more heavy rock unlike Lambert who would have been crucified by the Sonisphere Crowd.that isn't why the tickets didn't sell. it's because the whole line up is crap. Q+AL might be a shit draw but it's not because their music doesn't appeal to metalheads...as someone who attended knebworth in 86 - the bands on show that day - and at milton keynes in 82 were anything but metal....but you know what - there were thousands and thousands of bikers and hard rock fans there on both occasions. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 31.03.2012 23:55 |
Regardless, and full disclosure, I think AL fronting Queen for 5 seconds let alone as lead act at a festival is ludicrous, Queen are in the Beatles league. Can you imagine tepid sales with ANYONE fronting the Beatles, let alone canceling the event. Sorry, poor reflection on Queen, bad economy or not, it shows there is no appetite for this lineup. |
| pittrek 01.04.2012 06:41 |
richjohnson26 wrote: I'd be interested to know how many 'casuals' knew PR before he toured with Queen as compared to know who AL is.Well I didn't know who Paul Rodgers is but I knew all his hits from Free and Bad Company, I just didn't know his name. However I know absolutely NOTHING about Adam Lambert. NOBODY in my country has heard about him. Outside America, he is NOBODY. The first time I have heard that he exists was when he sang with Brian and Roger on American Idol or what's the title of the show. I remember wondering why are they wasting their time with this talentless guy and I still am. I thought his voice is terrible and that he can't sing. Meanwhile I found on youtube some of his other songs and I have to correct my statement - he CAN sing. He just can't sing Queen songs. |
| Russian Headlong 01.04.2012 13:25 |
sorry brenski, i agree with most of the stuff you write on here, but 'metal' in the 70's is very different to what is considered metal now. Roger and Brian have both in interviews they they felt Queen was a hard rock band. Classic rock is mainly hard rock. I do agree that Lambert wasn't the sole reason but he was a massive factor as he alienated Queen's hard rock fans and PR or JSS would have gone done better. The festival is overpriced and the 3 day events are stupid, cost to much money. They should go back to good old Donington MOR which was a one day festival with 6 really good bands. |
| jpf 02.04.2012 03:32 |
e-man wrote: let's hope bri and rog take this as a sign that there are people with other opinions than those voiced in Brian May's incoming mail... you can't blame anyone, but there's no denying that had any of the 3 headliners been a major act, enough tickets would have been sold to make the festival happen. i.e = neither KISS, FNM, or Queen & kk are appealing enough for sonisphere furtermore; I bet had they gotten Aerosmith instead of either KISS,FNM or Qkk - they would have sold enough ticketsKISS headlined Download on June 13, 2008: Details: Donnington, Derby, England Download Festival Promoter: Live Nation-UK Other Act(s): Judas Priest, Motorhead, Disturbed, Seether, Beat Union, Black Tide Reported audience: ~55,000 / ~60,000 That was their second time headlining Download/Castle Donnington (1996 being the first time). 2010 March 2 - O2 Academy, Islington, London, England May 1 - Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, England 2 - Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle, England 4 - Liverpool Arena, Liverpool, England 5 - LG Arena, Birmingham, England 7 - O2 Arena, Dublin, Eire 9 - SECC, Glasgow, Scotland 10 - Manchester Arena, Manchester, England 12 - Wembley Arena, London, England 13 - Wembley Arena, London, England 16 - Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland 17 - Arena Genf, Geneva, Switzerland 18 - Mediolanum Forum, Milan, Italy 20 - Stadhalle, Vienna, Austria 21 - CEZ Aréna, Ostrava, Czech Republic 23 - O2 Arena, Prague, Czech Republic 25 - Leipzig Arena, Leipzig, Germany 26 - O2 World, Berlin, Germany 28 - Papp Laszlo Sport Arena, Budapest, Hungary 29 - Stadion Pasienky, Bratislava, Slovakia 31 - Colorline Arena, Hamburg, Germany June 1 - König-Pilsener Arena, Oberhausen, Germany 3 - Rock am Ring, Nurburgring, Eifel, Germany 5 - Rock im Park, Zeppelinfeld, Nurnberg, Germany 8 - Lerkendal Open Site, Trondheim, Norway 10 - Sauna Rock, Tampere, Finland 12 - Stockholm Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden 13 - Malmo Stadium, Malmo, Sweden 14 - Valhall, Oslo, Norway 16 - Gigantium, Aalborg, Denmark 18 - Gelredome, Arnhem, Holland 20 - Hellfest, Clisson, France 22 - Palacio De Los Deportes, Madrid, Spain 24 - Palau Sant Jordi, Barcelona, Spain 25 - Azkena Rock Festival, Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spain 27 - Graspop Festival, Boeretangsedreef, Dessel, Belgium So far that's been KISS' longest, most successful U.K. tour. KISS play twice as many concerts in Europe than Aerosmith play and in some countries KISS play far larger venues. |
| jpf 02.04.2012 03:34 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Remeber the first Paul gig, in South Africa?" It was as good as Q+PR got, honestly. It was the only time Paul ever sounded like he wanted to be there, and the only time he put any effort in.Paul put in 100% effort at the MA show I saw on the "Return Of The Champions" tour. |
| jpf 02.04.2012 03:37 |
brENsKi wrote:KISS has done very well in the U.K./Europe.Michael Allred wrote:the statement i made was very clear. i said minus OR plus ace/peter....in other words it makes no difference - they're not a great ticket seller over here and the cancellation due to poor ticket sales confirms that i was rightbrENsKi wrote: well 2/3 rds of it were doomed from the get-go doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that queen minus freddie plus adam lambert and kiss minus ace/peter or plus ace/peter for that matter is not the greatest ticket seller ever..even the touts/scalpers couldn't be arsed perhaps now, brian, roger, gene and paul will all retire (finally) with whatever modicum of self-respect remainsKISS have been doing VERY well w/o Ace and Peter for some time now. Time to get your head out of your ass. |
| Michael Allred 02.04.2012 08:21 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Regardless, and full disclosure, I think AL fronting Queen for 5 seconds let alone as lead act at a festival is ludicrous, Queen are in the Beatles league. Can you imagine tepid sales with ANYONE fronting the Beatles, let alone canceling the event. Sorry, poor reflection on Queen, bad economy or not, it shows there is no appetite for this lineup.False. The media jumped ALL OVER that story. Clearly there is interest. Even though Russia is something of an odd place, let's see how their Moscow show sells. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 02.04.2012 17:10 |
Fair game Michael, I can't disagree with you on that comment. However, and we'll never prove it, I would be shocked if The Beatles (or ABBA for that matter) played with anyone and didn't sell a gazillion tickets. Putting aside Adam Lambert for a second, I think people, including casual fans, are tired of Brian and Roger and whoever it is. It's a rotating cast, it features members of Queen but each incarnation muddies up who Queen is/are/were. |
| Micrówave 02.04.2012 17:22 |
Queen are in the Beatles leagueMaybe in the UK, but not anywhere else. But then, you don't see The Ringo Starr All Star Band trying to play a stadium the size of Wembley. Brian and Roger needed to consider that prior to agreeing to the bill... if they were indeed to be the Headline act. A metal show, with Adam Lambert. Hmmm.... didn't anyone do any due diligence on this one? |
| Sheer Brass Neck 02.04.2012 18:05 |
I'd argue "in the Beatles league" in Europe, Japan and South America. North America, not even close. Then again The Stones are huge in North America compared to Queen, and dwarfed everywhere else including the UK. |
| The Real Wizard 03.04.2012 00:56 |
The Beatles are the biggest act of the last hundred years. Queen are my favourite band, but I absolutely cannot rationalize the idea that they were equally ground-breaking or influential as The Beatles. Nobody comes close. But this is always an interesting discussion, so I'm all ears. |
| john bodega 03.04.2012 10:09 |
The Beatles were what Star Wars was to the movie business. If it hadn't been them, maybe it would've been someone else, but that's how it happened, and it can never be repeated unless mankind literally took a step backwards, shrunk in size, and forgot everything that has happened before. One can't forget just how big Queen were though. Even today, in all kinds of places, I run into people who know songs that I honestly thought the general public wouldn't have a clue about. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 03.04.2012 14:43 |
I'm talking sales and territories. There is a page on wikipedia (I know it's not 100% accurate) but look at the list in the link below. Three groups in the top selling artists worldwide. Beatles #1, Zep #2, Queen #3. Apart from North America, Queen compares and actually has outsold The Beatles in many market places, and the lists don't really touch on South America where I'd hazard a guess they'd be at least comparable in sales to The Beatles based on their touring and enormous stadium shows. They're in The Beatles league for sure. To get back to the original point, I'd be shocked if The Beatles with Clay Aiken or Adam Lambert fronting them wouldn't sell out three days of a festival with zero support acts. I think Brian and Roger have devalued the brand as a live act by trotting out a rotating lineup that is one half to one third of Queen at best. link |
| Ivo-1976 04.04.2012 04:39 |
I wonder what they are going to do now. Ticket sales were obviously disappointing. I wouldn't be surprised if they will not do it at all. Time for Brian and Roger to make up their minds. I think they still can be a succesfull live act, but the setting and the band line-up has to be right. |
| john bodega 04.04.2012 07:24 |
I know that I'm missing something here, but people keep talking about it as though it was solely a Queen gig, and thusly solely Queen's failure to sell tickets... |
| Vocal harmony 04.04.2012 08:13 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I know that I'm missing something here, but people keep talking about it as though it was solely a Queen gig, and thusly solely Queen's failure to sell tickets...I agree. There are a lot of people on here who seem to many Queen as they are now to fail. There are also people here who seem to think they know more than they do. Killimanjaro had to sell 45000 tickets to break even, or a percentage of this number per month. The sales were not on target reach this amount, although in the next two or three months they may have done so. The point at which they pulled the plug on the festival was the latest they could cancel without having to pay a percentage of the fees due to artists. By doing what they did they were able to refund ticket sales without taking a loss. Had it been left longer not only would they have had to pay the bands, but also lighting, sound and staging companies. Although I don't have the figures, and wouldn't post them if I had, I do know that although ticket sales seemed to indicate a low response, the day tickets for Saturday, the day Queen were playing, were higher than the other day tickets and at the time of cancelation were higher than last year! |
| Holly2003 04.04.2012 08:31 |
It's been mentioned a few times that the general line up wasn't that great, that Kiss couldn't sell out medium sized arenas on their last tour (no wonder- they suck!) and that Faith No More are barely known in the UK and don't have a large following. The Darkness might fill small halls but that's about it. Also, we're in the middle of the worst recession since the early 1980s. However, I would guess if this was (for example) Queen + George Michael instead of Lambert it would've sold more tickets as it's a "quality" brand that fits well with Queen's current audience. Queen + Lambert has a number of negative aspects: unlike Michael, he is virtually unknown in the UK, which means he doesn't have his own large fanbase to sell tickets to; unlike Rodgers, he has no rock credentials; and unlike say Dave Grohl he has no credibility with the young studenty types that comprise a significant part of the audience for rock/pop festivals. So given the overall lineup and current economic sitiation Knobworth might've failed anyway, but Queen+Lambert certainly didn't help. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 04.04.2012 09:36 |
Agree completely with Holly. |
| john bodega 04.04.2012 13:24 |
While I don't agree that George Michael specifically would've made much of a difference, I couldn't rule out the possibility that they might've made better sales with someone else. Because who knows, really. Anything's possible. It might've even just come down to the thing being marketed better. I don't know much about what the kids want to see these days but as lineups go it sounded pretty shite to me. |
| jpf 05.04.2012 00:07 |
Holly2003 wrote: It's been mentioned a few times that the general line up wasn't that great, that Kiss couldn't sell out medium sized arenas on their last tour (no wonder- they suck!) and that Faith No More are barely known in the UK and don't have a large following. The Darkness might fill small halls but that's about it. Also, we're in the middle of the worst recession since the early 1980s. However, I would guess if this was (for example) Queen + George Michael instead of Lambert it would've sold more tickets as it's a "quality" brand that fits well with Queen's current audience. Queen + Lambert has a number of negative aspects: unlike Michael, he is virtually unknown in the UK, which means he doesn't have his own large fanbase to sell tickets to; unlike Rodgers, he has no rock credentials; and unlike say Dave Grohl he has no credibility with the young studenty types that comprise a significant part of the audience for rock/pop festivals. So given the overall lineup and current economic sitiation Knobworth might've failed anyway, but Queen+Lambert certainly didn't help.KISS "Alive/35" U.K./European Tour 2008 May 9 - Konig-Pilsener Arena, Oberhausen, Germany 11 - Olympiahalle, Munich, Germany 12 - Wiener Stadhalle, Wien (Vienna), Austria 13 - Arena di Verona, Verona, Italy 15 - USCE Stadium, Belgrade, Serbia **Cancelled due to political uprising in Serbia 16 - Akademik Stadium, Sofia, Bulgaria 18 - Terra Vibe Park, Malakassa (Athens), Greece 22 - Arena Riga, Riga, Latvia 24 - Luzhniki Olympic Stadium, Vorobyovy Gory, Moscow, Russia 26 - SKK Newarena, St. Petersburg, Russia 27 - Hartwall Areena, Helsinki, Finland 28 - Hartwall Areena, Helsinki, Finland 30 - Stockholm Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden 31 - Valhall Arena, Oslo, Norway June 1 - Bergenhus Festning, Koengen, Bergen, Norway 3 - Forum, Copenhagen, Denmark 4 - Color Line Arena, Hamburg, Germany 6 - Saska O2 Arena, Prague, Czech Republic 9 - Velodrom, Berlin, Germany 10 - SAP Arena, Mannheim, Germany 11 - König-Pilsener Arena, Oberhausen, Germany 13 - Download Festival, Donnington, Derby, England (headliner) 15 - Arrow Rock Festival (Goffertpark), Nijmegen, Holland (headliner) 17 - Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy, Paris, France 18 - Schleyerhalle, Stuttgart, Germany 21 - Bilbao Kobetamendi, Bilbao, Spain 23 - Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland 24 - Datch Forum, Assago, Milan, Italy 26 - Rockhal, Esch/Alzette, Luxembourg 27 - Arena Nürnberger Versicherung, Nurmeberg, Germany 28 - Graspop Metal Meeting, Boeretangsedreef, Dessel, Belgium (headliner) KISS "Sonic Boom Over Europe" Tour 2010 March 2 - O2 Academy, Islington, London, England May 1 - Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, England 2 - Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle, England 4 - Liverpool Arena, Liverpool, England 5 - LG Arena, Birmingham, England 7 - O2 Arena, Dublin, Eire 9 - SECC, Glasgow, Scotland 10 - Manchester Arena, Manchester, England 12 - Wembley Arena, London, England 13 - Wembley Arena, London, England 16 - Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland 17 - Arena Genf, Geneva, Switzerland 18 - Mediolanum Forum, Milan, Italy 20 - Stadhalle, Vienna, Austria 21 - CEZ Aréna, Ostrava, Czech Republic 23 - O2 Arena, Prague, Czech Republic 25 - Leipzig Arena, Leipzig, Germany 26 - O2 World, Berlin, Germany 28 - Papp Laszlo Sport Arena, Budapest, Hungary 29 - Stadion Pasienky, Bratislava, Slovakia 31 - Colorline Arena, Hamburg, Germany June 1 - König-Pilsener Arena, Oberhausen, Germany 3 - Rock am Ring, Nurburgring, Eifel, Germany (headliner) 5 - Rock im Park, Zeppelinfeld, Nurnberg, Germany (headliner) 8 - Lerkendal Open Site, Trondheim, Norway 10 - Sauna Rock, Tampere, Finland 12 - Stockholm Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden 13 - Malmo Stadium, Malmo, Sweden 14 - Valhall, Oslo, Norway 16 - Gigantium, Aalborg, Denmark 18 - Gelredome, Arnhem, Holland 20 - Hellfest, Clisson, France (headliner) 22 - Palacio De Los Deportes, Madrid, Spain 24 - Palau Sant Jordi, Barcelona, Spain 25 - Azkena Rock Festival, Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spain 27 - Graspop Festival, Boeretangsedreef, Dessel, Belgium (headliner) They have no problem selling tickets in the U.K./Europe. Know what you're talking about next time, dumbass. |
| Holly2003 05.04.2012 02:15 |
Learn to read. The UK shows weren't sold out, dimwit. |
| tomchristie22 05.04.2012 07:40 |
Oh, thanks! I really wanted to read those Kiss tour dates there. Thanks again |
| jpf 06.04.2012 02:22 |
Holly2003 wrote: Learn to read. The UK shows weren't sold out, dimwit.So what? They sold very well, cunt. Get your head out of your ass. You have no fucking clue. |
| jpf 06.04.2012 02:24 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Oh, thanks! I really wanted to read those Kiss tour dates there. Thanks againYou're welcome. Next time don't bother reading the thread. |
| Holly2003 06.04.2012 02:44 |
jpf wrote:Read what the thread is about, dimwit.Holly2003 wrote: Learn to read. The UK shows weren't sold out, dimwit.So what? They sold very well, cunt. Get your head out of your ass. You have no fucking clue. |
| jpf 07.04.2012 02:07 |
Holly2003 wrote:I can read and comprehend, unlike you, cunt.jpf wrote:Read what the thread is about, dimwit.Holly2003 wrote: Learn to read. The UK shows weren't sold out, dimwit.So what? They sold very well, cunt. Get your head out of your ass. You have no fucking clue. |
| Holly2003 07.04.2012 05:03 |
jpf wrote:Clearly you can't, halfwit.Holly2003 wrote:I can read and comprehend, unlike you, cunt.jpf wrote:Read what the thread is about, dimwit.Holly2003 wrote: Learn to read. The UK shows weren't sold out, dimwit.So what? They sold very well, cunt. Get your head out of your ass. You have no fucking clue. |
| jpf 08.04.2012 01:13 |
Holly2003 wrote:You'd be better off in the "What type of underwear did Freddie wear" discussions. That's more your speed, cunt.jpf wrote:Clearly you can't, halfwit.Holly2003 wrote:I can read and comprehend, unlike you, cunt.jpf wrote:Read what the thread is about, dimwit.Holly2003 wrote: Learn to read. The UK shows weren't sold out, dimwit.So what? They sold very well, cunt. Get your head out of your ass. You have no fucking clue. KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 |
| Holly2003 08.04.2012 02:08 |
I wasn't aware there was a thread like that. Clearly you are very interested in looking at a homosexual man in his underwear. Good for you: it's nice to have a hobby. |
| mooghead 08.04.2012 03:18 |
jpf - stop hijacking other people's threads by posting irrelevant shit about cartoon bands. Cunt. |
| brENsKi 08.04.2012 03:28 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: I'm talking sales and territories. There is a page on wikipedia (I know it's not 100% accurate) but look at the list in the link below. Three groups in the top selling artists worldwide. Beatles #1, Zep #2, Queen #3. Apart from North America, Queen compares and actually has outsold The Beatles in many market places, and the lists don't really touch on South America where I'd hazard a guess they'd be at least comparable in sales to The Beatles based on their touring and enormous stadium shows. They're in The Beatles league for sure.they may be in the beatles league but that's like comparing ManUtd and Spurs. in this case beatles still have more world-wide sales over a band that is still in existence. and queen are particularly fond of "greatest hits" compilations. 9 compilations, and 5 live albums |
| Sheer Brass Neck 08.04.2012 23:55 |
Agreed, but it's more like Champions League. Barcelona of today are The Beatles. They had 70% possession in last year's finals against a great Man U squad. Man U was outclassed but no shame to lose to arguably the greatest club side ever. It's not like Queen is Charlton Athletic compared to the Beatles as Man U. |
| jpf 09.04.2012 23:00 |
Holly2003 wrote: I wasn't aware there was a thread like that. Clearly you are very interested in looking at a homosexual man in his underwear. Good for you: it's nice to have a hobby.You're the one who started that thread. LOL Cunt. KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 |
| jpf 09.04.2012 23:02 |
mooghead wrote: jpf - stop hijacking other people's threads by posting irrelevant shit about cartoon bands. Cunt.Fuck you. I'll post where and whatever I please. Cunt. KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 |
| QueenLing 09.04.2012 23:42 |
Russian Headlong wrote: michael, you know shit. FACT: the two QPR tours sold out in the uk and the outside gig at hyde park. i can't speak for FNM but KISS headlined Download here in England in 2008 and two years ago sold out an arena tour. you are in the minority. REAL queen fans (i.e. from 70's and 80's) don't want adam lambert and have informed Brian and Roger of this, by not buying tickets. Hip new Queen fans (those not old enough to have seen freddie) have done the same too. At the time of writing it is uncertain if the whole event is cancelled or just the saturday which is when queen and twatface lambert were set to play. you are just a kid and know fuck all like your idiotic friend jazzy mercois so jog on..I'm with you 100% |
| Holly2003 10.04.2012 03:40 |
jpf wrote:Hmmm...Holly2003 wrote: I wasn't aware there was a thread like that. Clearly you are very interested in looking at a homosexual man in his underwear. Good for you: it's nice to have a hobby.I'm the one who started that thread. LOL I'm a thick Cunt. KISS "Suck" World Tour 2012/13 |
| jpf 11.04.2012 02:52 |
Holly2003 wrote:Hmmm...jpf wrote:Hmmm...Holly2003 wrote: I wasn't aware there was a thread like that. Clearly you are very interested in looking at a homosexual man in his underwear. Good for you: it's nice to have a hobby.I'm the one who started that thread. LOL I, Hollycunt, am a thick Cunt. KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 The sound of Hollycunt taking his head out of his ass. KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 |
| Holly2003 11.04.2012 05:24 |
Copying what I did. Hilariously unoriginal -- just like Kiss. KISS SUCK! |
| jpf 11.04.2012 18:20 |
Holly2003 wrote: Copying what I did. Hilariously unoriginal -- just like Kiss. KISS SUCK!I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think of KISS. I do know that you're a piece of shit, cunt. KISS "Monster" World Tour 2012/13 |
| Holly2003 11.04.2012 18:26 |
jpf wrote:Yes you do. That's why you keep replying. I have you running after me like a little dog. Woof! lolHolly2003 wrote: Copying what I did. Hilariously unoriginal -- just like Kiss. KISS SUCK!I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think of KISS. I do know that you're a piece of shit, cunt. KISS "Suck Cock" World Tour 2012/13 |
| Holly2003 12.04.2012 10:52 |
Reading a piece in Metro today about festivals in general and the consensus seems to be that the general economic downturn is hitting festivals hard. However, there was an interesting quote by the editor of Kerang about Sonisphere. He said the organisers messed up the headline acts. Queen + Lambert is not attractive to a rock audience and the average 16 year old has never heard of Kiss. |
| mooghead 12.04.2012 11:01 |
Nailed it. Regardless of their previous success Queen are more suited now to one of those god awful retro revival tours with Human League and Bucks Fizz. They are not as popular as they think they are. |
| pma 12.04.2012 13:52 |
Fucking JSS and Dave R. Fuller, they are the reason Sonisphere was cancelled. Brian just mailed me to tell that Roger has locked himself in a closet, and will not come out until every digital copy of that Reactions acetate is offline. Now you've done it lads, you've really fucked up this time. |