br5946 13.02.2012 10:32 |
I'm sure dozens of hardcore fans have bickered over this time and time again, but I believe ANATO could win in the debate of 'best Queen album', but then again, Queen II is one of few Queen albums I don't own. Loads of opinions make it seem as though Queen II could win. So I want to get the debate finished once and for all: Queen II or Opera? What do you think? |
brENsKi 13.02.2012 12:08 |
why would you begin a debate about an album you don't own? surely that's like saying "jupiter or earth, where would you rather live?" ps - Queen II everytime, and Venus ;-) |
Micrówave 13.02.2012 12:20 |
Yes, a very good point. You gotta have the album first... itunes? |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 13.02.2012 14:01 |
brENsKi wrote: why would you begin a debate about an album you don't own? surely that's like saying "jupiter or earth, where would you rather live?" ps - Queen II everytime, and Venus ;-)LOL PS: Queen II and Mercury (heh) |
The Real Wizard 13.02.2012 14:16 |
No contest - A Night At The Opera. Queen II was where their vision took a big step forward, but they perfected it by ANATO. Queen II had progressive and ambitious compositions, but it didn't have the diversity of styles nor the accessibility. It's a common trait for hardcore fans of artists to want to bring more attention to lesser-known records that may have stronger material, but in Queen's case their best-known record is creatively their best one as well. ANATO has everything one needs to know about Queen. Even side 2 alone is pretty much the entire picture. |
Day dop 13.02.2012 16:23 |
Sheer heart attack. That's probably really annoying of me to say, but it's true. |
brENsKi 13.02.2012 16:32 |
The Real Wizard wrote: No contest - A Night At The Opera. Queen II was where their vision took a big step forward, but they perfected it by ANATO. Queen II had progressive and ambitious compositions, but it didn't have the diversity of styles nor the accessibility. It's a common trait for hardcore fans of artists to want to bring more attention to lesser-known records that may have stronger material, but in Queen's case their best-known record is creatively their best one as well. ANATO has everything one needs to know about Queen. Even side 2 alone is pretty much the entire picture.but what about your planet? so far we have venus and mercury (although i think that choice was queen-centric) |
Day dop 13.02.2012 16:34 |
I'm in a rocket ship on my way to Mars on a collision course, myself. |
MadTheSwine73 13.02.2012 16:58 |
A Night At The Opera wins it for me. Queen II is an extremely close second. Uranus, by the way. ;) |
TomP63 13.02.2012 19:09 |
Since this a debate, I'll say without debate Queen II......is it youranus or myanus ;-) |
louis.007 13.02.2012 19:21 |
Yep Sheer Heart Attack for me too Day dop. |
YAFF 13.02.2012 20:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote: No contest - A Night At The Opera. .agreed. A Day At The Races trumps II as well |
Biggzy10 13.02.2012 20:44 |
Why isn't your favorite planet Mercury? |
MERQRY 13.02.2012 21:14 |
No contest - Queen II... A Night is good... excelent... but Queen II is a bit (a little tad) better: The March of the Black Queen beats Bohemian Rhapsody From Anato we have that Excellent song called the Prophet's song, But Queen II has Ogre Battle that is excellent too. (draw) Procesion/Father to son is excellent as well Death On two legs (draw) White Queen is wonderfull... almost legendary beats Sweet Lady too Funny How love is a bit better than Lazing on the Sunday afternoon, but maybe an draw Someday one day and Good company... musically Good company wins but in the lyrics wins Someday one day (draw) I'm in love with my car is better than The loser in the end The fairy feller's master stroke beats Seaside Rendesvouz Love of My Life is Beautiful... maybe better than Nevermore that is (maybe) too short... Love of my life is a know one. Seven seas of Rhye beats You're My Best Friend and god save the Queen is only an anthem (i like procession more altough) |
Vocal harmony 13.02.2012 21:38 |
Queen II all the way |
The Real Wizard 13.02.2012 22:58 |
But aside from personal taste, what does Queen II have that A Night At The Opera doesn't have? I've always wanted to hear a good answer to this one.. |
QueenIsAwesome-Fan 13.02.2012 23:26 |
I'd say Queen II. A Night At The Opera is brilliant, but there's just something about Queen II. |
brENsKi 14.02.2012 01:41 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But aside from personal taste, what does Queen II have that A Night At The Opera doesn't have? I've always wanted to hear a good answer to this one..Freddie's masterpiece - side black complete and utter genius the embryo of Bo Rhap (FFMS/nevermore/black queen) and to it's immense credit it also lacks something that Opera doesn't - the god-awful "sweet lady" |
MERQRY 14.02.2012 03:14 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But aside from personal taste, what does Queen II have that A Night At The Opera doesn't have? I've always wanted to hear a good answer to this one..Atmosphere |
Djdownsy 14.02.2012 06:58 |
Personally, I prefer Queen II to ANATO; however, I'm not saying it's better. Like Bob pointed out, they reached a creative pinnacle at that point and, based on sheer production alone, it is far superior. Roy Thomas was reaching a peak as well as the band! |
Vocal harmony 14.02.2012 07:42 |
Interesting point about the production on ANATO. If you are going to make that comparison look at it from another view. Queen II was recorded on a 16 track machine, which when you listen to it now makes it that much more special, the amount of multi tracked guitars and vocals take it beyond just 16 track recording. To me that and Sheer Heart Attack are Roy Thomas Bakers best Queen production jobs. ANATO was recorded on 24 track machines at multiple studios, again they were pushing the boundaries but the end product in some ways sounds brittle and lacks the warmth and earthiness that the earlier albums had and indeed that The self produced A Day At The Races captured, which I believe is a better sounding album than ANATO |
Makka 14.02.2012 07:42 |
Queen II for me, but A Day At The Races I consider their best album. |
Micrówave 14.02.2012 10:50 |
NATO and Jupiter. Things they share in common: 1. Gas Giants 2. Jupiter is usually the fourth brightest object in the sky, Roger Taylor is the fourth brightest member of Queen 3. A big red spot 4. Galileo Galilei discovered the four largest moons of Jupiter: Euroger, Mayo, Ganafreddie, and Casdeacon 5. The orbits of most of the system's planets lie closer to Jupiter's orbital plane than the Sun's equatorial plane EXCEPT MERCURY 6. During the period July 16, 1994, to July 22, 1994, over 20 fragments from the comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 (SL9, formally designated D/1993 F2) collided with Jupiter's southern hemisphere, during this same period, John Deacon had decided he'd had enough. |
brENsKi 14.02.2012 16:37 |
7. average Jupiter year = 11.75 earth years...coincidentally the exact amount of time that'll elapse before a new queen song makes a top 10 chart placing 8. Jupiter surface temp -148 degrees.... fittingly....it'll be a cold day in hell before Brian may regains his musical integrity and dignity |
matt z 14.02.2012 16:53 |
I put the two together in a fight last night after reading this post. a Night At The Opera won on Vinyl.... obliterating Queen II (i was surprised because the elaborate and lifted cover made me think it would be a little too "soft" to hold up well) however, My CD copy of Queen II (EMI) destroyed my CD copy of A Night At The Opera (Hollywood) presumably because it was made from better stock plastic. So there you have it folks.... a TIE. |
Amazon 16.02.2012 00:34 |
For me, it's no contest. ANATO is Queen's best album, as well as my all-time favourite album. Furthermore, while Queen II is great, I don't even think it's in Queen's top 2. SHA was IMO Queen's second best album, and was almost as good as ANATO. As good as II was (especially the black side), Queen IMO took a massive leap forward with SHA. Not only did arguably the group truly come into its own from a performative perspective, and not only was it the first album to feature a song by John, but was the first truly versatile Queen album, and its creativity was arguably unmatched by any other Queen album, save for ANATO. |
Hang On In There 16.02.2012 08:45 |
ANATO was recorded on 24 track machines at multiple studios, again they were pushing the boundaries but the end product in some ways sounds brittle and lacks the warmth and earthiness that the earlier albums had and indeed that The self produced A Day At The Races captured, which I believe is a better sounding album than ANATO Excellent point - I would say a better album altogether |
dirkdehertog 16.02.2012 15:15 |
well, my very first lp at the time was sheer heart attack; I discovered that "this" band had made two lp's arlier. I bought them without knowing. Being blown away by Queen II, meanwhile buying a night at the opera, I almost forgot Queen I.... Now, 37 years later, I cann't choose: the 5 first albums (a day at the races included) are great; "news of the world" was for me "strange", as "Jazz" was even more by the first listening... But these albums (and I have got over than 1000..) still are listened to at my place. Still think that Queen I is underestimated... But in my opinion, you cann't compare; maybe just catalogue in "QueenI and Queen II", "sheer heart attack, "a night and a day", and then the followers, ... Ok, I am biased being a huge fan, (I like everything)but the old queen is the best that was ever made.... Sorry for my bad English |
saj ditta 17.02.2012 16:20 |
overated album im sorry to say its ok but shear heart attack was sooperdooper my friends. |
Your Fairy King 17.02.2012 18:12 |
If I'm being banished to a desert island and I can only choose between Q2 and ANATO to take with me, it will be Q2. ANATO was the first rock album I bought way back in 1975, then SHA, then Q2. When I hit Q2 I have never stopped loving it, and now 35 years later I appreciate Queen's early psychedelic/prog rock/glam metal stylings of the first two albums than any of the pop that followed. That said, I also find the production of ADATR far superior to ANATO. |
Holly2003 17.02.2012 18:55 |
ANATO. No contest. Good Company on its own leaves everything from QII in its wake, even the magnificent MotBQ. Good Company is one of the reasons so many guitarists and musicians have a very deep respect for Brian. |
Hades 18.02.2012 02:14 |
Queen II, no doubt. |
The Real Wizard 18.02.2012 12:47 |
Holly2003 wrote: ANATO. No contest. Good Company on its own leaves everything from QII in its wake, even the magnificent MotBQ. Good Company is one of the reasons so many guitarists and musicians have a very deep respect for Brian.^ what he said. |
tcc 19.02.2012 06:26 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But aside from personal taste, what does Queen II have that A Night At The Opera doesn't have? I've always wanted to hear a good answer to this one..Roger's screaming on Queen II :-) |
waunakonor 21.02.2012 21:23 |
Just throwing out my opinion...definitely Queen II I think this would be my top 5: Queen II, Innuendo, A Day at the Races, A Night at the Opera, Queen To those who are saying Sheer Heart Attack: I don't like that one very much. Side 1 is excellent, Side 2 has too much filler. Dear Friends, Misfire and Bring Back That Leroy Brown bore me, and even She Makes Me is one of Brian's weaker songs |
Over the Field 22.02.2012 09:49 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But aside from personal taste, what does Queen II have that A Night At The Opera doesn't have? I've always wanted to hear a good answer to this one..The harpsichord |
waunakonor 23.02.2012 18:38 |
Whoa, I just realized something...according to the poll for favorite Queen album, Queen II has a lead on ANatO by about a hundred votes. In fact, Q2's closest rival is not that, but Queen I, which only trails by three points. Interesting... |
atom murray 05.12.2012 15:11 |
Queen II is a masterpiece. I've grown to appreciate it more and more over the years since I first head it in August 1985. To be honest it kind of scared me at the time as I was only 16. It's dark and complex. It's Tolkien in ways. And I often wonder how the hell the band conceived it from start to finish. It's a huge leap from the debut. A work of pure confidence and mastery. I can hear The Beach Boys being blended with art rock. The new 2011 remaster, opens up the soundstage so the listener can get into the cave and see the monster. It's dynamic, warped, amazing and stunning. No other rock band could have done this and I believe no rock band ever will sound like this. Ever! Forget the downloading for one has to have the artwork whether it's LP or CD. Mp3 just won't cut it on this masterpiece, so why cheapen the experience? Is Queen II better than A Night At The Opera? No! No! No! No! No! No! No! Oh Mama Mia! Mama Mia! |
A Word In Your Ear 05.12.2012 15:28 |
Both are excellent albums, but in my opinion "Queen II" pips it to the post!!!!! |
brians wig 05.12.2012 15:47 |
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brians wig 05.12.2012 15:49 |
brians wig wrote: No contest. Queen II everytime. It's just a shame that it sounds a bit muffled in comparison, but I suppose that's down to the numerous overdubs and the 16 track limitation of the equipment. I do wonder if a brand new remix from that multitrack would sort that problem out, though i guess they won't want to do that (assuming they have all the tapes) Bob. Can I just say you're wrong. In every sense. Can I? Please? No? Sod it anyway. You're wrong IN EVERY SENSE: Queen II is a far superior collection of songs to ANATO and regardless of how intricate and masterful Good Company is it still sucks. Of all the songs on that album, THAT'S the one I skip!!!!! |
Ozz 05.12.2012 16:46 |
I Love Queen II. it's a masterpiece with so many layers to discover. The March of the black Queen is a wonderful track. As an overall album, it fulfills more what i look for on a Queen record. However maybe sometimes i get bored of listen that song all over again always but Bohemian Rhapsody is THE Queen song of all times, and its on ANATO. Anato production is overall better than Queen II, and you have : - Heavy passioned songs (Death on Two Legs) - Wonderful fun at the level of Killer Queen (Seaside Rendezvous) - Complex layered songs with a taste of Queen II (The Prophet Song) - THE Love Ballad (Love of My Life) - Brian Harmonizations (GSTQ, Good Company) - And the Queen MultiStyle song, the one that started all (Bo Rhap) Queen II is very close: - Heavy passioned songs (Ogre Battle) - Complex layered songs (The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke) - Intense ballads (White Queen, Nevermore) - Brian Harmonizations (Procession) - MultiStyle song (The March of the Black Queen) But it misses the fun vaudeville songs, the perfect recording/production (Queen II sounds a little dark and flat in comparison), and of course it misses Bo Rhap. |
brENsKi 06.12.2012 13:24 |
anato's production is not better than II. II had the kitchen sink thrown at it - it was RTB at his best (apart from some weak drum sounds) opera on the other hand sounds incredibly muddy in places - there's keyboards drowning out guitars and vice-versa - unless you've heard the 5:1 dvd-a version you'll not understand how good opera could sound |
DLCVinnuendo 06.12.2012 14:40 |
for me, i prefer ANATO, but QII is brilhant too |
ITSM 06.12.2012 21:11 |
Queen II, but I think I like A Day at the Races even more... |
Ozz 06.12.2012 22:57 |
brENsKi wrote: anato's production is not better than II. II had the kitchen sink thrown at it - it was RTB at his best (apart from some weak drum sounds) opera on the other hand sounds incredibly muddy in places - there's keyboards drowning out guitars and vice-versa - unless you've heard the 5:1 dvd-a version you'll not understand how good opera could soundWell, that's your opinion, man. And Also, Without Anato. Queen II would be as obscure and forgotten as that Morgan album featuring Tim Staffell after Smile. And again. i love QII. One of my favourites along with Innuendo. But ANATO is better done, have better songs, and sounds better because it has a character of their own. Queen II sound's a lot like the token progressive rock album of the 70's |
Adventureskr 07.12.2012 06:46 |
mmm...my favorite is QueenI... |
brENsKi 07.12.2012 09:51 |
brENsKi wrote: anato's production is not better than II. II had the kitchen sink thrown at it - it was RTB at his best (apart from some weak drum sounds) opera on the other hand sounds incredibly muddy in places - there's keyboards drowning out guitars and vice-versa - unless you've heard the 5:1 dvd-a version . you'll not understand how good opera could sound Ozz wrote: Ozz wrote Well, that's your opinion, man. And Also, Without Anato. Queen II would be as obscure and forgotten as that Morgan album featuring Tim Staffell after Smile. brenski replies: no it wouldn't. II was a top 5 album in the UK - queen's main market at that time. it also spawned their first top 10 Uk hit SSoR. Finally, being a huge seller and "saving the band single-handedly" does NOT make it a better album either musically or production-wise. that should be based on the merits of the product itself and NOT what it did for their careers. Ozz wrote And again. i love QII. One of my favourites along with Innuendo. But ANATO is better done, have better songs, and sounds better because it has a character of their own. brenski replies as i said above - listen to the 5:1 dvd-a of ANATO then you'll realise how muddy the production of the standard version is. everything is "cramped" into too confined a space. you could tell they got "their first 24-track - cos you can almost feel they felt a little spoilt by the 50% extra tracks on the desk and felt they had to fill everything and the effect was that some stuff got buried in the mix. you only have to listen to BoRhap's 24-track multis...silence a few tracks and you'll hear how good the mix could've been. the fact that you cite "innuendo" as another favourite kinda implies you like the "muddy" production sound...cos that's one thng opera and innuendo suffer from - really muddy production as for queen II - RT Baker was at his peak - and he used every trick he could to make the 16-track production sound crystal clear. Ozz wrote Queen II sound's a lot like the token progressive rock album of the 70's brenski replies there's nothing "prog" about it. it's an out-and-out rocker of an album. side black sounds like a "concept" mini album - in reality it isn't...it's just freddie's genius for segueing tracks together to keep the attention of the listener. freddie was never better creatively than on those six tracks. most rock bands do concepts and it's not the sole domain of prog-rock bands you know. |
Heavenite 07.12.2012 10:11 |
THey're both bloody brilliant. We are so lucky to have had a band to have put out stuff this good. I was listening to the extra EP from Jazz and being relatively fresh to my ear, i experienced once again completely how great a band Queen were, especially in the 70's. |
Ozz 08.12.2012 05:37 |
>no it wouldn't Queen was going bankrupt after SHA. (In fact it was Killer Queen the song that really put them on the spotlight before anato) Brian said it many times. If ANATO didn't make it. they were done. >Muddy ha, in any case, RTB Jazz is down there in the worst productions of Queen. The multitracks don't show anything new to me. My favourite ANATO by far is the DCC GOLD version. Just listen Love of My Life and you will realize how those melodies and silence are way better produced than most of the Queen catalogue >there's nothing "prog" about it There's a lot of prog. Sometimes it sounds like YES. ANATO has a character of their own. Queen II sounds like Zeppellin, Who, Beach Boys, Yes, even Zappa. I like it. But ANATO defined 70's Queen. ¿How many Queen II songs are in Live Killers? ¿How Many ANATO ones? |
MOTBQ74 09.12.2012 00:56 |
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MOTBQ74 09.12.2012 01:16 |
Ozz wrote: >no it wouldn't Queen was going bankrupt after SHA. (In fact it was Killer Queen the song that really put them on the spotlight before anato) Brian said it many times. If ANATO didn't make it. they were done. >Muddy ha, in any case, RTB Jazz is down there in the worst productions of Queen. The multitracks don't show anything new to me. My favourite ANATO by far is the DCC GOLD version. Just listen Love of My Life and you will realize how those melodies and silence are way better produced than most of the Queen catalogue >there's nothing "prog" about it There's a lot of prog. Sometimes it sounds like YES. ANATO has a character of their own. Queen II sounds like Zeppellin, Who, Beach Boys, Yes, even Zappa. I like it. But ANATO defined 70's Queen. ¿How many Queen II songs are in Live Killers? ¿How Many ANATO ones?Queen2 was alway's my favorite, and I do think the record was original sounding. I really don't understand how someone could say fairyfeller's and Black Queen sound like Zep. I will say over time that opera has aged a bit better for me...Still love both records, Queen2 has freddie's masterpiece in side Black, but side 2 of A Night At The Opera might even be better. It Doesn't get any better than Prophet Song, Love Of My Life, Good Company and Bo Rhap/GSTQ. The first side of Opera is cleary better. I love Father to son/White Queen, but opera 1st side has many great ones. Loser In the end is worse than any song on Opera, including sweet lady. I do think Opera has the slight edge. |
waunakonor 09.12.2012 12:52 |
brENsKi: no it wouldn't Ozz: Queen was going bankrupt after SHA. (In fact it was Killer Queen the song that really put them on the spotlight before anato) Brian said it many times. If ANATO didn't make it. they were done. waunakonor: He wasn't saying ANatO didn't save Queen; it did. He's saying that Queen II wouldn't end up as forgotten as you suggest it would be. Also, that the album's impact on Queen's career shouldn't be a factor in judging the quality of the music. brENsKi: Muddy Ozz: ha, in any case, RTB Jazz is down there in the worst productions of Queen. The multitracks don't show anything new to me. My favourite ANATO by far is the DCC GOLD version. Just listen Love of My Life and you will realize how those melodies and silence are way better produced than most of the Queen catalogue waunakonor: Jazz's production has nothing to do with either of the albums in question. Also, I disagree about the multitracks. Just listening to the a capella version of Bo Rhap's operatic section shows me that some things could have been brought out more. I also dislike the sound of Love of My Life's production. Nevermore, for example, sounds a lot clearer to my ears (of course, NM is a better song overall anyway). brENsKi: there's nothing "prog" about it Ozz: There's a lot of prog. Sometimes it sounds like YES. waunakonor: Just because it sounds kind of like some prog rock bands doesn't mean the album itself is very progressive. Ozz: ANATO has a character of their own. Queen II sounds like Zeppellin, Who, Beach Boys, Yes, even Zappa. waunakonor: ANatO is definitely not without its influences. Ozz: I like it. But ANATO defined 70's Queen. ¿How many Queen II songs are in Live Killers? ¿How Many ANATO ones? waunakonor: What does that have to do with anything? |
brENsKi 09.12.2012 16:50 |
glad someone else ^^^ can see this, and agrees. Ozz, you're so wrong - on the points that YOU cite as the distinguishing reasons for ANATO. Opera has a bit of everything in it - which must mean it draws heavily on influences form elsewhere - thus making it unoriginal by default - folk, classic, opera, vaudeville, musichall, ragtime, oh - and prophet song has the zep influences you accuse II of. II is definitely not prog-rock of course jazz is weirdly claggy - from a production point of view - but this is about opera vs II. II is the clearer and better produced album....go bakc and listen to the bo-rhap multis (as the last poster did, and as i suggested) and listen to how clear opera could've been....just load up the multis into audacity and slience random tracks...then really listen....you'll get it...then you can come back and admit you coulda got it wrong about te production one final point...you bang on about "no opera, no queen, they were almost finished" - guess what? listen to FFMS/nevermore/black queen in one sitting THIS IS WHERE FREDDIE FORMED bo-rhap..this was bo-rhap's conception....so you argument should read "no queen Ii, no opera, no queen" your argument is thereby invalid |
The Real Wizard 09.12.2012 18:11 |
Queen II was a very important step in Queen's evolution, but they hadn't yet combined the artistic vision with accessibility. A Night At The Opera was where everything came together. Bringing high art to the average person is nearly every great artist's goal, and it was achieved with A Night At The Opera. With no disrespect to the earlier albums, as they are amongst the best albums of the 70s. But ANATO is the creative, stylistic, melodic, and accessible peak of their career. |
tcc 09.12.2012 19:51 |
I think the songs in ANATO sounds a bit more dated than those in QII because they were covering a lot of styles in ANATO. The songs in QII seems to be "pure" rock, so they sound "current" anytime it is played. |
GratefulFan 09.12.2012 23:24 |
It's interesting as I feel exactly the opposite. I think Queen II is very much of it's time, in a wonderful way, where the particular brilliance of many Opera songs confers that sense of timelessness that great artistry so often has. |
MOTBQ74 10.12.2012 01:16 |
brENsKi wrote: glad someone else ^^^ can see this, and agrees. Ozz, you're so wrong - on the points that YOU cite as the distinguishing reasons for ANATO. Opera has a bit of everything in it - which must mean it draws heavily on influences form elsewhere - thus making it unoriginal by default - folk, classic, opera, vaudeville, musichall, ragtime, oh - and prophet song has the zep influences you accuse II of. II is definitely not prog-rock of course jazz is weirdly claggy - from a production point of view - but this is about opera vs II. II is the clearer and better produced album....go bakc and listen to the bo-rhap multis (as the last poster did, and as i suggested) and listen to how clear opera could've been....just load up the multis into audacity and slience random tracks...then really listen....you'll get it...then you can come back and admit you coulda got it wrong about te production one final point...you bang on about "no opera, no queen, they were almost finished" - guess what? listen to FFMS/nevermore/black queen in one sitting THIS IS WHERE FREDDIE FORMED bo-rhap..this was bo-rhap's conception....so you argument should read "no queen Ii, no opera, no queen" your argument is thereby invalidNow you're being a bit silly. Name one band that didn't draw influences from other artists? Everyone talks about the big 5 bands of the Beatles, stones, The Who, Zep and Hendrix. Most of these bands took stuff from the Blues and made it their own. Give Queen Credit for going in a different direction from most other Rock bands. |
The Real Wizard 10.12.2012 01:39 |
And then there are people who argue there has been no original music since Mozart... Let the mudslinging begin! |
brENsKi 10.12.2012 10:09 |
MOTBQ74 wrote:i think YOu misunderstand. my comment about Opera was a counter to Ozz's claims that II was heavily influenced by others...my point being that due to the many varied styles used on Opera it must by default be less original than Queen II. especially when you consider that it even drew on the influence of FFMS/Nevermore/black queen - for the embryos of Bo Rhap.brENsKi wrote: glad someone else ^^^ can see this, and agrees. Ozz, you're so wrong - on the points that YOU cite as the distinguishing reasons for ANATO. Opera has a bit of everything in it - which must mean it draws heavily on influences form elsewhere - thus making it unoriginal by default - folk, classic, opera, vaudeville, musichall, ragtime, oh - and prophet song has the zep influences you accuse II of.Now you're being a bit silly. Name one band that didn't draw influences from other artists? Everyone talks about the big 5 bands of the Beatles, stones, The Who, Zep and Hendrix. Most of these bands took stuff from the Blues and made it their own. Give Queen Credit for going in a different direction from most other Rock bands. hope that clears it up for you |
Holly2003 10.12.2012 14:57 |
GratefulFan wrote: It's interesting as I feel exactly the opposite. I think Queen II is very much of it's time, in a wonderful way, where the particular brilliance of many Opera songs confers that sense of timelessness that great artistry so often has. I agree. Queen II is clearly a product of the early 70s whereas although ANATO is also clearly a product of that decade it has a timeless quality to it. It's more of a feeling than something I can put into words. I also think QII has prog rock elements e.g. being complicated for the simple joy of being complicated, an emphasis on musicianship, different time signatures and inventive lyrics, a non-cyclical song (March of the Black Queen), and songs which (mainly) are not derived from blues-rock. This was not a pub band cranking out simple R&B. As for which is better, who cares really, but if I had to choose I think our Canadian Guitar Hero chum has already said everything that needs to be said, and I agree entirely. |
oliverd05 12.12.2012 18:56 |
to be honest with everyone I think the reason ANATO stands tall and mighty above all the albums, is that yes! creatively its their best album with something for everybody ( not to say that all of their albums were not like that)!! But in a way i guess it signifies just how great they are, All 4 members of the band wrote number 1 singles, something only The Beatles could only aspire to, and im not sure if this is a appropriate comment to make, but up until ANATO we hadn't heard much at all from Deacy, and he came out with Your My Best Friend, of course Freddie Wrote Bohemian Rhapsody and created a song that probably will last forever, Brian wrote Good Company, how he got those flute sounds to come out the Red Special i dont think we'll ever know! and of course Roger wrote I'm in love with my car, So in a nutshell i guess what im trying to say is, for this album it highlights the strengths of all the songwriters the best.... phew :P |