| StoneColdClassicQueen 11.02.2012 20:47 |
Another legend has passed away :( Whitney Houston was found dead today in a Beverly Hills hotel. There was speculation of recent drug abuse in the time leading up to her death. She recently completed a role in the upcoming movie "Sparkle" that's set to be released later this year. Hope they do a tribute at the Grammys tomorrow seeing how she dominated them back in her prime. Truly a beautiful voice! RIP Whitney Houston :( |
| john bodega 11.02.2012 21:41 |
Houston had a problem. |
| tcc 11.02.2012 23:52 |
She really squandered God's gift to her. RIP Whitney Houston. |
| inu-liger 12.02.2012 00:22 |
It's a wonder she even managed to last as long as she did, with her drug use and health problems. Shame. Now we wait for the prerequisite cashcow posthumous CD's, yay |
| -fatty- 2850 12.02.2012 01:55 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Houston had a problem.For all the other sickos out there who thinks it's cool to make fun of that poor woman, just remember this. It's not right, but it's okay. fatty. |
| Sebastian 12.02.2012 02:04 |
How long before Brian claims that without Flash Gordon there'd have been no Bodyguard? |
| Amazon 12.02.2012 03:10 |
I wish I could say that I was shocked. But there is really more of a sense of inevitability about it. Sad. |
| queenUSA 12.02.2012 10:09 |
Why is Whitney gone and Bobby Brown doing ok? She was the bigger star. I guess he could handle the demons and she couldn't. It seems her problems began with their union and she was never able to rebound. I hope Demi Moore is paying attention. |
| Amazon 12.02.2012 10:14 |
queenUSA wrote: Why is Whitney gone and Bobby Brown doing ok? She was the bigger star. I guess he could handle the demons and she couldn't. It seems her problems began with their union and she was never able to rebound. I hope Demi Moore is paying attention. Why Demi Moore in particular? |
| queenUSA 12.02.2012 10:50 |
Amazon wrote:queenUSA wrote: Why is Whitney gone and Bobby Brown doing ok?She was the bigger star. I guess he could handle the demons and she couldn't. It seems her problems began with their union and she was never able to rebound. I hope Demi Moore is paying attention.Why Demi Moore? |
| Donna13 12.02.2012 17:28 |
She gave a lot to the world. Very sad. This one has really shocked me. I guess they will do a tribute at the Grammy Awards tonight. It must be so sad for all who knew her. |
| MadTheSwine73 12.02.2012 18:00 |
She had a great voice. My thoughts go out to her friends and family. |
| Hangman_96 12.02.2012 18:26 |
She was a great singer. R.I.P. |
| Amazon 13.02.2012 08:47 |
queenUSA wrote:Amazon wrote:Thanks, I understand.queenUSA wrote: Why is Whitney gone and Bobby Brown doing ok?She was the bigger star. I guess he could handle the demons and she couldn't. It seems her problems began with their union and she was never able to rebound. I hope Demi Moore is paying attention.Why Demi Moore? Marriage imploded. Anorexia, drugs, 911 drama, headlines. Hauled off to rehab this month .... You know, the usual stuff. Since they're happening close together and same age, just struck a chord. You would think that when you reach a certain age you would be more resilient, not less, but when too much destructive behavior is in the mix .....etc. Same old story. |
| Micrówave 13.02.2012 12:38 |
Why is Whitney gone and Bobby Brown doing ok?Because he kept saying "take this" and she did. |
| The Real Wizard 13.02.2012 14:15 |
^ post of the day. |
| matt z 13.02.2012 15:13 |
actually she was reportedly the enabler in their relationship... BUt that may just be a rumor within the Bobby camp... which means it was probably 50/50 Either way i feel bad for her daughter. I saw a recent string of Prince O(+> gigs at the Forum in Inglewood (11 of 12 gigs) and Whitney showed up to get her way onstage on a night when Chaka was opening... it was less than impressive, a lot of screaming.. she seemed haggard and tired. I felt bad for her, but she was there with her daughter. Not a doubt she felt a lot of the sting of what "she'd become" from what "she was" and that probably led her on to do worse. Sadly, i'm expecting this is some kind of fluke tragedy. only possible drug relation would be a "muscle relaxer" (common for people after 45 in the US) and bad timing with her bath... if not.. then everybody will be saying "i told you so" |
| GratefulFan 14.02.2012 12:27 |
I don't see Whitney as a victim of Bobby Brown really. From interviews she's given in recent years, as well as through the train wreck of a reality show "Being Bobby Brown", it's clear that she sought just the kind of relationship she ended up with. She stated directly that as a young and independent woman in control of a massive career she actively liked Brown taking control on the home front. The classic mistaking of a thugish, insecure bully for a truly strong man that has been the downfall of many before her and many to come. She's not the first woman to get fascinated with that kind of man and turn up lost, but it took her way too long to extract herself, and even then only because he was being blatantly and serially unfaithful, not because he was an irredeemable 40 year old punk. Hitting bottom is such a long ride when you're wealthy and insulated by fame. So much was squandered. It's sad. |
| brENsKi 14.02.2012 17:01 |
tcc wrote: She really squandered God's gift to her. RIP Whitney Houston.no more so than Freddie, Kurt, Elvis, Amy, Janis, michael jackson, duane allman, hendrix, moon, bon scott, entwhistle, bolin, bonham, hutchence, lynott....zzzzzzzzzzzz the list is f*cking endless...so why say she really squandered? like she was somehow different all of the above brought about their own end.... |
| tcc 14.02.2012 19:44 |
brENsKi wrote:I was just talking about her specifically. If there is any implications that she was more special than the others in your list, it is not intended, and who can be more special than Freddie, of all people.tcc wrote: She really squandered God's gift to her. RIP Whitney Houston.no more so than Freddie, Kurt, Elvis, Amy, Janis, michael jackson, duane allman, hendrix, moon, bon scott, entwhistle, bolin, bonham, hutchence, lynott....zzzzzzzzzzzz the list is f*cking endless...so why say she really squandered? like she was somehow different all of the above brought about their own end.... The reason for my feeling that she squandered the gift to her is that she damaged her voice through drug abuse. Her voice is the obvious talent given to her and the reason for her existence in the music industry. |
| Amazon 15.02.2012 04:37 |
How did Duanne Allman and Bolan contribute to their deaths? |
| Micrówave 15.02.2012 10:07 |
How did Michael Hutchence contribute to his death? Be descriptive. |
| john bodega 15.02.2012 11:23 |
It's really not a tragedy. Just so you know, normal sober people can die in bathtubs, and have done so before. |
| greaserkat 15.02.2012 12:22 |
Micrówave wrote: How did Michael Hutchence contribute to his death? Be descriptive.He was jacking off while choking himself by hanging with a (rope, scarf, etc...) |
| matt z 15.02.2012 13:27 |
brENsKi wrote:Well, you go one way or another... Michael was using a doctor to lift him up and put him down since the HISTORY tour...(as evidenced by his disclosure that he heard about "princess diana's" death via his doctor on tour)tcc wrote: She really squandered God's gift to her. RIP Whitney Houston.no more so than Freddie, Kurt, Elvis, Amy, Janis, michael jackson, duane allman, hendrix, moon, bon scott, entwhistle, bolin, bonham, hutchence, lynott....zzzzzzzzzzzz the list is f*cking endless...so why say she really squandered? like she was somehow different all of the above brought about their own end.... However, his doctor in this instance is responsible for his death. clearly. neglectfully. The 3rd degree burns and the adrenaline rush of staging and rehearsing 8-14 hours a day made sure he could hardly sleep. (another reason he HATED touring) As far as i'm concerned the only way he squandered his art was to chase popular trends. If he'd done an acoustic album of stuff, backlash, anger, love songs, jokes.. it would have been considered a change and great. John Entwistle went out the way he wanted to... he didn't SQUANDER his art either... he kept touring with unpopular formations of his own band, and appeared on many others' works. My favorite being Glenn Tipton's BAPTISM OF FIRE album He checked out with high dollar call girls (hookers) and blow. He was simply too old to keep up with it... If he was lucky....he went going while he was coming. (bad joke) always heard Marc Bolan's death was an accident, However Freddie's lifestyle led to his death of course. Either way, however soon it was, approaching 50 isn't considered squandered. They left a huge mark... Oh and BTW Courtney killed Kurt or had him killed... just read the tacked on words in someone else's writing on the alleged "suicide note" he wanted to quit music cause it wasn't sincere for him anymore. i think his writing was probably a note to a music magazine saying something akin to retirement. |
| matt z 15.02.2012 14:21 |
And bowie stopped touring... plainly... probably so he won't die on tour. |
| brENsKi 15.02.2012 16:02 |
Amazon wrote: How did Duanne Allman and Bolan contribute to their deaths?i never said "Bolan" - you need to learn to read - i typed "Bolin" as in - Tommy Bolin - Deep Purple guitarist and heroin addict as for Allman, sorry ok if you want to be pedantic - riding like a loon on a motorcycle isn't a specific self-induced death - but it was reckless....what i actually said was that they "brought about their own end"...i think i was right on that point |
| brENsKi 15.02.2012 16:12 |
tcc wrote:Freddie damaged his voice in the 80s...thru smoking (another drug)....you gotta have seen Queen live in the 80s to understand the change in his voice...so your point about Whitney wasting her talent is what exactly?brENsKi wrote:I was just talking about her specifically. The reason for my feeling that she squandered the gift to her is that she damaged her voice through drug abuse. Her voice is the obvious talent given to her and the reason for her existence in the music industry.tcc wrote: She really squandered God's gift to her. RIP Whitney Houston.no more so than Freddie, Kurt, Elvis, Amy, Janis, michael jackson, duane allman, hendrix, moon, bon scott, entwhistle, bolin, bonham, hutchence, lynott....zzzzzzzzzzzz the list is f*cking endless... all of the above brought about their own end.... |
| matt z 15.02.2012 16:34 |
brENsKi wrote:Ah yeah, well then chalk up both Randy Rhoads and Paul Kossoff (great singer/slinger of the axe) for "fucking around with a drunken pilot and crew" and Kossoff for drugging it up and weakening his heart.Amazon wrote: How did Duanne Allman and Bolan contribute to their deaths?i never said "Bolan" - you need to learn to read - i typed "Bolin" as in - Tommy Bolin - Deep Purple guitarist and heroin addict as for Allman, sorry ok if you want to be pedantic - riding like a loon on a motorcycle isn't a specific self-induced death - but it was reckless....what i actually said was that they "brought about their own end"...i think i was right on that point |
| GratefulFan 15.02.2012 17:11 |
Zebonka12 wrote: It's really not a tragedy. Just so you know, normal sober people can die in bathtubs, and have done so before. I'd say dying in a hotel bathtub at 48 a night before the Grammys while a party that you were supposed to attend goes on a few floors below your naked, cooling body is pretty tragic. It would be a bit of a stretch even in a Jackie Collins novel. The whole scene seems exceptionally sad to me. Nobody wants to die in indignity in a hotel room and have their body hauled out the service entrance. It's just sad. I'm repeating myself, but I can't find a better word. |
| tcc 15.02.2012 18:39 |
brENsKi wrote:Freddie could still sing and they had a successful tour in 1986. He did not want to live after he could not sing anymore due to Aids. Yes, Freddie also squandered his talent but he did not know at that time that his activity could bring about AIDS. At the time when Whitney took drugs, there was already a lot of information about the effects of taking drugs and Whitney Houston could choose to stop taking drugs.tcc wrote:Freddie damaged his voice in the 80s...thru smoking (another drug)....you gotta have seen Queen live in the 80s to understand the change in his voice...so your point about Whitney wasting her talent is what exactly?brENsKi wrote:I was just talking about her specifically. The reason for my feeling that she squandered the gift to her is that she damaged her voice through drug abuse. Her voice is the obvious talent given to her and the reason for her existence in the music industry.tcc wrote: She really squandered God's gift to her. RIP Whitney Houston.no more so than Freddie, Kurt, Elvis, Amy, Janis, michael jackson, duane allman, hendrix, moon, bon scott, entwhistle, bolin, bonham, hutchence, lynott....zzzzzzzzzzzz the list is f*cking endless... all of the above brought about their own end.... This thread is about Whitney Houston. My post is just about her. I repeat: any implication that she is more special than other people is not intended. |
| Amazon 15.02.2012 20:41 |
brENsKi wrote: "i never said "Bolan" - you need to learn to read - i typed "Bolin" as in - Tommy Bolin - Deep Purple guitarist and heroin addict" You need to learn to be polite. So I misunderstood you, big deal. You don't have to act like a jerk. Oh, and there isn't much of a difference between contributing to one's death and bringing about one's own end. Not that it matters, since this thread is about Whitney Houston, and tcc has every right to say what he said about her, irrespective of whether other artists squandered their talent as well. |
| tcc 16.02.2012 02:15 |
Thank you Amazon for standing up for me. |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 03:05 |
tcc wrote: "Thank you Amazon for standing up for me." No problem. :D |
| john bodega 16.02.2012 05:47 |
"Nobody wants to die in indignity in a hotel room and have their body hauled out the service entrance" To reframe what I was saying a bit : if every death is tragic, then which one is to be considered truly tragic? It is sad, of course, but sadness can be a pretty deep well and one that I don't wish to get stuck in when you consider the number of bathroom related deaths in the world. I think it's a pity, anyway. |
| Micrówave 16.02.2012 10:16 |
Looks like another California Doctor will be headed to court. Now we just need to wait and see who it is. |
| brENsKi 16.02.2012 10:58 |
Amazon wrote: brENsKi wrote: "i never said "Bolan" - you need to learn to read - i typed "Bolin" as in - Tommy Bolin - Deep Purple guitarist and heroin addict" You need to learn to be polite. So I misunderstood you, big deal. You don't have to act like a jerk. Oh, and there isn't much of a difference between contributing to one's death and bringing about one's own end. Not that it matters, since this thread is about Whitney Houston, and tcc has every right to say what he said about her, irrespective of whether other artists squandered their talent as well.you didn't misunderstand - you MISread and MISquoted me..there's a difference....because when YOU make a mistake it suddenly becomes "big deal", but when YOU mistakenly misread BOLIN and BOLAN you were quick to try and correct me... appears you were more than happy for people to think that i made a mistake but not so happy when your own mistake was pointed out waytogo mr double standards |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 11:27 |
brENsKi wrote: "you disn't misunderstand - you MISread and MISquoted me..there's a difference...." So freaking what if I misread you? I made a mistake, so sue me. You're not in a position to jump down someone's throat for making a mistake, seeing as you are far from perfect. Oh, and I never misquoted you. Don't even attempt to play that card as saying that someone brought about their own end is no different to saying that they contributed to their death (I would be interested in a situation where someone brought about their own end but didn't contribute to their death as that would be an extraordinary story). "because YOU make a mistake it becomes "big deal"," No, YOU made it a big deal when you said 'you need to learn to read.' You acted like a complete jerk who doesn't seem to understand that people make mistakes. This isn't the first time you pounced on me because (in your mind) I made a mistake. You need to get over it. You are not perfect, you make mistakes. Hell, you made mistakes on this own thread. So don't tell me that 'because YOU make a mistake it becomes "big deal" .' You could have simply corrected me. But no, you had to act like a horrible jerk. "but when YOU mistakenly misread BOLIN and BOLAN you were quick to try and correct me..." Yeh, I asked 'How did Duanne Allman and Bolan contribute to their deaths?' Wow, what a horrible thing. Brenski, if you think that was me being quick to try and correct you, then you are being over sensitive. You do realize that this is a discussion site, and if I have a problem with something you said, I have every right to say so? If you don't like it, well, get over it. "waytogo mr double standards" First, wrong gender. Second, what double standards? Or are you not going to tell me like you didn't tell me what I got wrong in the HS thread (because I didn't get anything wrong)? Either way, I don't particularly care. Life's too short to deal with people who are incapable of being polite. |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 11:40 |
"appears you were more than happy for people to think that i made a mistake but not so happy when your own mistake was pointed out" No, I wasn't happy with you acting like a jerk. Let's see what you could have said, instead of '"i never said "Bolan" - you need to learn to read - i typed "Bolin" as in..' You could have written 'Actually I meant...' Did it ever occur to you that you could have clarified whom you meant without being rude? It is entirely possible to point out that someone made a mistake without being either rude or triumphant. Or perhaps it isn't possible with you. Either way, get over it. I'm done. |
| brENsKi 16.02.2012 11:42 |
tcc wrote: Freddie could still sing and they had a successful tour in 1986. He did not want to live after he could not sing anymore due to Aids.how do YOU know what Freddie wanted? - you are hypothesising - doesn't make you right or wrong, but it certainly doesn't make that statement a fact tcc wrote: Yes, Freddie also squandered his talent but he did not know at that time that his activity could bring about AIDS. At the time when Whitney took drugs, there was already a lot of information about the effects of taking drugs and Whitney Houston could choose to stop taking drugs.and the world knew about HIV/AIDS in late 1982? freddie lived with the knowledge he had HIV for almost 7 years (84-91)...so he knew of the existence of HIV for almost two years before he knew he had it...yet he didn't stop shagging strangers in New York and Germany...surely the rule you apply to Whitnet also applies to freddie equally? tcc wrote: This thread is about Whitney Houston. My post is just about her. I repeat: any implication that she is more special than other people is not intended.i never said she was more special - or that YOU implied it, i merely made references to comparable instances of celebs (primarily rock stars) who also wasted their talent/opportunity...usually because they either thought themselves indestructable or they were so insecure that they would do/take anything to shut out the trauma of fame...fact is some people are not mentally equipped for a life of fame. |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 11:43 |
Micrówave wrote: "Looks like another California Doctor will be headed to court. Now we just need to wait and see who it is." If so, hopefully it won't turn into the circus that the Jackson doctor trial became. |
| brENsKi 16.02.2012 11:45 |
Amazon wrote: "appears you were more than happy for people to think that i made a mistake but not so happy when your own mistake was pointed out" No, I wasn't happy with you acting like a jerk. Let's see what you could have said, instead of '"i never said "Bolan" - you need to learn to read - i typed "Bolin" as in..' You could have written 'Actually I meant...' Did it ever occur to you that you could have clarified whom you meant without being rude? It is entirely possible to point out that someone made a mistake without being either rude or triumphant. Or perhaps it isn't possible with you. Either way, get over it. I'm done.why would i need to clarify who i meant? i typed exactly who i meant!!!!...you shouldn't be telling me what to type...because whatever i typed..you'd still misread it.... |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 11:46 |
brENsKi wrote: "why would i need to clarify who i meant? i typed exactly who i meant!!!!..." I meant, for me!!! "you shouldn't be telling me what to type..." It was only a suggestion! "because whatever i typed..you'd still misread it...." You know that how? Unless you can read my mind, you probably shouldn't be saying things lie that. Either way, you didn't have to be rude. God, you're annoying! |
| brENsKi 16.02.2012 11:48 |
Amazon wrote: brENsKi wrote: "why would i need to clarify who i meant? i typed exactly who i meant!!!!..." I meant, for me!!! "and don't tell me to get over it...you're the one stringing it out, cos you're incapable of admitting you're wrong" Yet you keep responding. Pot meet kettle.bet you always had the last word in your house...but you probably misheard what others said |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 11:50 |
brENsKi wrote: "bet you always had the last word in your house...": This from the person who keeps responding. How hypocritical can you be? "but you probably misheard what others said" No, because in my house, people speak clearly and they aren't rude. |
| brENsKi 16.02.2012 11:51 |
BOLIN is very clear.... you are the one who has difficulty with clarity and i'm not being hypocritical stating that "i bet you always had the last word in your house"...that's just an observation....because it's quite characteristic of someone who makes a mistake but rather than admits it would rather argue the toss about politeness etc btw - not replying again, getting bored...so bored i'll go and listen to some mark IV deep purple (bolin era) or is that Bolan era? only YOU will never know for sure |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 11:55 |
brENsKi wrote: "BOLIN is very clear...." Well, it wasn't for me. So sue me. I'm not the world's biggest expert on Deep Purple, and so I misread it as being Marc Bolan. What a horrible thing. "You are the one who has difficulty with clarity" Actually, I have a problem with rudeness. Just like you have a problem with understanding that that it is possible to clarify someone's mistake without being rude. |
| Amazon 16.02.2012 12:00 |
brENsKi wrote: "because it's quite characteristic of someone who makes a mistake but rather than admits it would rather argue the toss about politeness etc" Are you serious? I was arguing the toss about politeness because I do NOT like people who are rude. Like you. I guess I care about being a nice person. You obviously don't. However, if you want to talk about admitting that one is wrong, why don't you admit that you were wrong about there being a difference between contributing to one's death and bringing about their own end. You never will, as you're a hypocrite. In fact, that's probably why you're so rude, and completely unwilling to recognize it. You don't want the world to know that you were wrong. Sad. "btw - not replying again, getting bored...so bored i'll go and listen to some mark IV deep purple (bolin era) or is that Bolan era? only YOU will never know for sure:" Whatever. You're such a pleasant person. |
| Micrówave 16.02.2012 16:08 |
tcc wrote: Yes, Freddie also squandered his talent but he did not know at that time that his activity could bring about AIDSVeneral diseases have been around for quite a while. Freddie didn't know? Plus, I believe their was common knowledge of a "gay sickness" early in the 80s. He simply made a choice... just like Whitey. |
| matt z 17.02.2012 14:05 |
goddamnit ppl... chill out before you two get married or something. |