| Day dop 11.02.2012 14:32 |
I'm don't want to be taken the wrong way here - I find it a little hard to warm to John Deacon like the others as there's so little to know about him, and he never really gave anything away about himself. He seems a decent chap and all, and he wrote some amazing tunes, top hits - and a first class bass player - goes without saying - it's just I've been a fan of Queen for years, and yet despite that, I still don't feel like I know him like the others, or at all in fact - which is strange when you've been a fan for such a long time. He seems kind of impossible to get to know - even at a distance. Am I the only one who thinks that way? (This isn't a put down of him btw! No no no...) |
| LAP 11.02.2012 15:04 |
Wasn't born to be a rock star like the others, enjoyed making millions and the comfortable lifestyle it afforded him...good luck to him I say!! |
| Day dop 11.02.2012 16:14 |
I don't disagree with that; good luck to him. |
| Jimmy Dean 11.02.2012 18:11 |
he doesn't need you to like him. any by you i mean anyone. my way of thinking is that people don't like you for who you are.. fuck 'em. Also, I don't need to warm to John Deacon, just like he doesn't need to warm to me... we don't know each other. When's the last time you had a beer with Brian and Roger? |
| StoneColdClassicQueen 11.02.2012 20:52 |
Man he was cool! Just because he didn't live his life in the spotlight like a Kardashian you say you can't warm up to his character? The cool thing about him is that he doesn't care :] and he wasn't one of those rock stars I admire him for being so private and reserved. Yeah I hated seeing those pics of him with those strippers but other than that I respect him just for not giving a fuck! Good post Jimmy Dean XD I doubt Brian drinks beers (publicly)! |
| jpf 12.02.2012 02:57 |
Day dop wrote: I'm don't want to be taken the wrong way here - I find it a little hard to warm to John Deacon like the others as there's so little to know about him, and he never really gave anything away about himself. He seems a decent chap and all, and he wrote some amazing tunes, top hits - and a first class bass player - goes without saying - it's just I've been a fan of Queen for years, and yet despite that, I still don't feel like I know him like the others, or at all in fact - which is strange when you've been a fan for such a long time. He seems kind of impossible to get to know - even at a distance. Am I the only one who thinks that way? (This isn't a put down of him btw! No no no...)John visually never fit in Queen. His personality didn't fit the band either. He was a good bass player. He wrote some very good songs ("Spread Your Wings" being one of my favorite Queen tracks), but he also wrote a lot of crappy songs, particularly the funk/dance crap that influenced Queen far too much. After the "A Kind Of Magic" cd he could have easily been replaced and in some cases was replaced (by synth). From Jim and Peter's books it appears that John abandoned Freddie when Freddie could have used his friendship the most. Pretty shitty way to treat a friend, bandmate, and business partner. |
| blackshuck03 12.02.2012 08:16 |
John is a very nice chap, I have worked in house doing his wooden flooring, you wouldnt think he was in the biggest band ever there is nothing queen related anywhere in his home apart from 1 room |
| Day dop 12.02.2012 10:53 |
He does seem a decent chap. Perhaps I've worded this wrong in trying to explain what I mean. I haven't read those books, I have them in my basket on Amazon though. Could you tell a little of what happpened? I'm curious now. |
| Day dop 12.02.2012 10:54 |
Overly defensive? I did say "from a distance"... |
| MrFunster 12.02.2012 15:00 |
Hope to know a little more about him |
| Fireplace 12.02.2012 16:21 |
John doesn't actually HAVE a character. That's why he'll always remain the great enigma in Queen. |
| Day dop 12.02.2012 16:43 |
He didn't live his life in the spotlight? He was hardly hiding behind closed doors from the early 70's to when Freddie died. And again, about the beer thing - I said from a distance. How did anyone miss that? |
| jpf 12.02.2012 23:30 |
Day dop wrote: He does seem a decent chap. Perhaps I've worded this wrong in trying to explain what I mean. I haven't read those books, I have them in my basket on Amazon though. Could you tell a little of what happpened? I'm curious now.Brian, Roger, Elton John, and Dave Clarke all spent time with Freddie on the days leading up to his death. Per Jim Hutton and Peter Freestone John Deacon never visited Freddie. |
| john bodega 13.02.2012 01:18 |
"John abandoned Freddie" He was (and is) probably slightly emotionally retarded when it comes to loss because of the early death of his father. It's most likely that he simply didn't know what to do with the situation. |
| Day dop 13.02.2012 01:33 |
I figured that. It's a strange one though, all the same - because he's reported to have been close to Freddie - but I can never quite imagine that. They seemed worlds apart. |
| tcc 13.02.2012 01:46 |
I think there was an interview with John Deacon in the GVH II video (in the making of Breakthru video) where he said that although the band members worked closely together, they did not socialize after work or visit each other's home. I have been told that in England you do not visit a person's home unless you are invited. |
| jpf 13.02.2012 02:25 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "John abandoned Freddie" He was (and is) probably slightly emotionally retarded when it comes to loss because of the early death of his father. It's most likely that he simply didn't know what to do with the situation.Then he should have grown a pair and made sure that his dying friend knew that he cared. I have heard rumors that John had a nervous breakdown. I don't know if this happened sometime after being told that Freddie had AIDS or after Freddie's death. By John's behavior it appeared that he was more upset with losing his job. |
| jpf 13.02.2012 02:29 |
tcc wrote: I think there was an interview with John Deacon in the GVH II video (in the making of Breakthru video) where he said that although the band members worked closely together, they did not socialize after work or visit each other's home. I have been told that in England you do not visit a person's home unless you are invited.Brian and Roger visited Freddie at Garden Lodge before his illness and after his illness. Brian and Roger have implied that John was really the odd man out. |
| Holly2003 13.02.2012 04:11 |
lol at homophobic dimwit jpf passing moral judgements on anyone |
| blackshuck03 13.02.2012 06:34 |
John did have a nervous breakdown sadly, he has been in the priory clinic quite a few times, He has and still is had trouble coming to terms with freddies death |
| matt z 13.02.2012 15:18 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: he doesn't need you to like him. any by you i mean anyone. my way of thinking is that people don't like you for who you are.. fuck 'em. Also, I don't need to warm to John Deacon, just like he doesn't need to warm to me... we don't know each other. When's the last time you had a beer with Brian and Roger?EXACTLY. btw JOhn if you're reading this... I'd still like to buy one of your basses... u know... the one's collecting dust. I'll give you $20 american bucks!... and a beer... hell, i'll throw in a "BIER" as well... IMPORTED!! Just let me know! -Matt |
| Day dop 13.02.2012 17:58 |
Exactly totally missing the point. |
| GratefulFan 13.02.2012 19:05 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "John abandoned Freddie" He was (and is) probably slightly emotionally retarded when it comes to loss because of the early death of his father. It's most likely that he simply didn't know what to do with the situation. And although it's a small data set, we certainly have real evidence that John manages some things by simply withdrawing. It's not an unusual response to emotional stress for many people. Also there was still deep fear and quiet hysteria surrounding HIV and AIDS even in 1991. As a husband and a father who knows what internal and external pressures he felt to limit his contact. Given the times and the fact that they weren't close outside of the professional unit I'd have some sympathy for that. |
| jpf 14.02.2012 02:05 |
Holly2003 wrote: lol at homophobic dimwit jpf passing moral judgements on anyoneGo fuck yourself cunt. |
| Holly2003 14.02.2012 03:13 |
jpf wrote:Thanks for proving my point.Holly2003 wrote: lol at homophobic dimwit jpf passing moral judgements on anyoneGo fuck yourself cunt. |
| jpf 14.02.2012 03:15 |
Holly2003 wrote:KISS "Monster" 2012jpf wrote:Thanks for proving my point.Holly2003 wrote: lol at homophobic dimwit jpf passing moral judgements on anyoneGo fuck yourself cunt. World Tour 2012/13 The only point you have is the one shoved up your ass. Cunt. |
| Holly2003 14.02.2012 03:19 |
And again. |
| plumrach 14.02.2012 04:00 |
John was just a very shy person, you could see that when Queen gave group interviews and when they were on stage and there is nothing wrong with that, if he wants to sit at home and not be famous anymore thats upto him imo |
| Ivo-1976 14.02.2012 06:28 |
My point of view: I think that at first John enjoyed the success in the band, but he soon found out that being a public person was not making him happy. He liked recording music and touring, but being a star was not all that important to him. During the '80s the band members sort of went their own way in several solo projects. John didn't, not being able to sing was on of the reasons for that. John spent time with his family, i guess he could've been somewhat frustrated with the bands inactivity. John worked with the band on "The Miracle", "Innuendo" and "Made in Heaven". We do not know what his relationship is and was with Freddie, Roger and Brian. A few years after Freddies death, John decided that he had enough of being a musician and retired. The thing you could blame John is that after all the years he did not say goodbye to his fans in any way. No interview, no final show, no farewell. After that he could've made his statement in the Days of our lives documentary but still there was no word from him. I hope he is allright, he seemed like a nice guy to me, who accidentally became a member of the biggest bands ever. I think he was important for Queen, the calm reasonable guy between 3 quite big ego's. |
| saj ditta 16.02.2012 04:08 |
yes i trully agree@have bean saying it for years reg freedie@johns friendship?im sure john being a catholic was happy to take the money of freddie@run as fast as he could go,but maybe freddie being gay went against his religious beliefs.such a shame he never went to freddies house ever to visit him@even when the greatman was dying he didnt bother.all i hear is the same ol crap that he couldnt take freddie passing away@dealt with it his way,wataload of ?ock,maybe there weas a inside jealosy ego etc we all have that im sure.overall john got lucky he found@pot of money that even drips from rainbow today@ever ameen. |
| Queen4ever13 16.02.2012 09:26 |
Everybody deals with things in their own way, I believe he and Freddie had a good relationship, from photos and stories you get a sense that the two of them were close in the early years. I think he took his death pretty hard. He seems to be a very sensitive, like another person said he took his father's death very bad and I believe he couldn't come to terms with Freddie's either. None of the band ever speaks badly of him, I believe they always all had a mutual respect for each other that's what kept them together, they will always be a class act. |
| Shumway 16.02.2012 16:07 |
In Jim Hutton's book, he said that John withdrew (his friendship), from Freddie during his illness. I can't remember where I came across it, but I did read that John became depressed after Freddie died, (as did Brian for that matter). It seems reasonable to conclude that Mr Deacon could have handled Feddie's illness and passing better, but I don't think he meant any malice. |
| Really John Deacon 16.02.2012 16:15 |
I like fish and chips, The Foo Fighters, and long walks in the afternoon. That is all. |
| freddiefan91 17.02.2012 04:19 |
Jim Said a lot of things in his book, most of which i think should of been kept quiet out of respect for freddie |
| Pingfah 17.02.2012 07:31 |
saj ditta wrote: yes i trully agree@have bean saying it for years reg freedie@johns friendship?im sure john being a catholic was happy to take the money of freddie@run as fast as he could go,but maybe freddie being gay went against his religious beliefs.such a shame he never went to freddies house ever to visit him@even when the greatman was dying he didnt bother.all i hear is the same ol crap that he couldnt take freddie passing away@dealt with it his way,wataload of ?ock,maybe there weas a inside jealosy ego etc we all have that im sure.overall john got lucky he found@pot of money that even drips from rainbow today@ever ameen.What an incredibly coherent and informative post, what would we do without the tireless efforts of Queen historians such as yourself. |
| matt z 17.02.2012 14:00 |
Pingfah wrote:HAHAHA... at least he didn't mention fucking KISS>saj ditta wrote: yes i trully agree@have bean saying it for years reg freedie@johns friendship?im sure john being a catholic was happy to take the money of freddie@run as fast as he could go,but maybe freddie being gay went against his religious beliefs.such a shame he never went to freddies house ever to visit him@even when the greatman was dying he didnt bother.all i hear is the same ol crap that he couldnt take freddie passing away@dealt with it his way,wataload of ?ock,maybe there weas a inside jealosy ego etc we all have that im sure.overall john got lucky he found@pot of money that even drips from rainbow today@ever ameen.What an incredibly coherent and informative post, what would we do without the tireless efforts of Queen historians such as yourself. |