| Stelios 18.11.2011 04:49 |
What is your idea about the relationship between those four. Which two do you think got along the best and which didnt. I think Freddie and Roger had a fun extrovert connection while Brian and Freddie the most brotherhood/competitive bond. On the other hand Brian and John never got along that well for me. Or perhaps John and Roger. Of course they all respected each other. |
| Jazz 78 18.11.2011 07:45 |
Interesting... Freddie and John from what I gather seemed to be close as brothers. It was my understanding that after Freddie died he took it very bad and hid away for a while. But when it came to the music I think they got on very well and did some collaborating Roger and John I believe got along particularly as they were the bottom end in the band and according to one interview I saw of them they at one time went skiiing together and of course we've all seen the interview on Korean television with them both as well as a few other interviews on promotional tours at that time so the bond must have been strong between them. Brian and John? You never see them interact much onstage and to me their relationship is a mystery. Brian and Freddie? I think they had a pretty good relationship professionally but personally they probably kept their distance. Roger and Freddie...Good times, close friends,rock and roll excess shared. |
| Stelios 18.11.2011 08:00 |
I agree. Freddie was like an older brother to John even though his campness made John feel uncomftarble at times for what i know from things shared. Also they had this thing with dance/black music and they collaborated to songs. Rogers and Brians bond seem to have evolved after Freddies passing. It seems that they werent always the best bodies they are today. I really wanted to have an insight to these things and especially to hear Johns view. Especially the impact of Freddies death to him. |
| matt z 18.11.2011 16:19 |
I've assumed that it also had a lot to do with John's retirement. Maybe he wants to be the family man and enjoy the time "that's left" (which may even be extraordinarily long). someone's premature passing will often advance a perspective or change another. Mortality's a bitch... but FM "conquered" quite a bit. Funny though,.. If one were to ASSUME about their inter relationships... that's how it all appeared to be. Oddly, never thought about Bri + John being best buds er anything, and a lack of evidence would kinda enhance that perspective. I always thought the same ...Rog + Fred (best buds-both can keep up with crazy lifestyle) Fred + John (great confidants-storytellers) Rog + John (good friends) Bri + the rest... i cannot say. But being that Rog and Bri were in SMILE... one would assume that even if its not heavily public... they were all great buds, |
| Holly2003 18.11.2011 17:13 |
I never really paid much attention to this but I've never read anything to suggest John and Fred were like brothers or even that close (i.e. a relationship deeper than being in a band together, with all that entails). There was some musical compatability, especially in the later part of their career, and there are some stories of Fred taking John under his wing a bit because he wanted him to feel a part of the band, but it's hard to imagine them being very close. And while a lot of these things become a blur after a while, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that John was uncomfortable with some aspects of Fred's behaviour. You have to remember also that over the course of 30-40 years people change a lot and so do relationships, so it's quite probable there is no one "relationship" between any of the band members, just a series of evolving relationships depending on each's personal circumstances. For example, I get the impression that Brian and Rog were close in the early days, drifted apart a bit when Roger became interested in New Wave music, but now they're closer than ever. Or that could be nonsense. There's no way to know for sure without being close to the band. |
| The Real Wizard 18.11.2011 17:52 |
There are elements of truth in this thread, but in the end there will always be plenty that we won't know. I get the general sense that they weren't exceptionally close to one another (save perhaps for Roger and Freddie), especially by the 80s when it became more of a business relationship. John griped about that even after the success of Live Aid. They bonded after Freddie revealed his illness, and that's probably when they were the closest. In 93/94, Brian and Roger apparently weren't speaking. John and Roger started Made In Heaven without Brian. There's an interview from 1993 where Roger has some not-too-cheerful things to say about Brian. But they clearly made up, and since No-One But You it seems like John hasn't spoken much to Bri and Rog. About a month ago, someone asked Brian for John's contact to do an interview with him, and Brian responded with something like, "I haven't even spoken with him in years." |
| Russian Headlong 18.11.2011 18:03 |
This is just my perception. Brian/Roger -oldest friends from smile and both the real true rockers although it is clear they used to fight like brothers. musically i think they both liked the more heavy stuff. They continue to fly the flag but their work with AL, RW, 5ive and pepsi embarass me. Brian/Freddie- Main songwriters in early days but suspect they differed on music greatly from The Game onwards. John and Paul Prenter could have killed Queen with their rock/metal fans after Hot Space basically wanting to have no guitars! Brian/John- Musically they were poles apart. John more into pop/funk, Brian into metal/aor. I suspect John looked at Freddie as an ally musically although i suspect Fred liked a wider range of music despite writing a lot of pop/dance crap from 1980 onwards. I suspect now they not even on speaking terms Roger/Fred- worked on the market together, both party animals, musically I think Roger looked up to Fred but didn't like the disco/dance stuff (although he wrote some dance/pop stuff too) he was more into hard rock as was Fred too at times before he got involved in gay disco pop sounds. It is rumoured that RT is only person who knows the real meaning of Bo Rhap, suggests they were quite close but not that close if you know what i mean...;) Fred/John- From AOBTD Fred and John seemed to be responsible for poppier numbers which I hate. FWBF, OYOL, huge parts of Hot Space etc, I hate all that stuff and it was these two who pushed Queen away from their 70's rock/metal original fans but i suppose they got new pop fans in the 80's too. I have read that John was disgusted by lots of fred's antics but musically in the 80's they were both looking to take Queen more into gay dance sounding stuff, although Fred would still pen heavy stuff too, (hitman, princes) John basically did not seem to be into that stuff at all except iycbt off jazz. Roger/John- I saw when i was in the fan club that in the 80's they socialised a bit family skiing trips etc, although musically i think they had very different views, maybe because they were not the 'main songwriters in the early days. They seemed close when fm died but then post MIH i suspect there is a falling out and privately not much love lost between them today. i can understand some of jd's reluctance seeing some of the Queen + work (PR aside which was excellent). However, i do feel john has showed a lot of contempt towards the fans, no interviews, no appearances yet still taking the royalties, id be pissed with him too if i was RT/BM. |
| The Real Wizard 18.11.2011 18:12 |
That looks pretty accurate overall. It's not like John owes the fans anything, as he chose to retire, just like anyone at any job. But in the music business there is still a price to pay, as evidenced in the recent Days Of Our Lives documentary. It's not like they wrote him out completely, but his roles in the band beyond playing bass were barely mentioned at all. There was even a bit of revisionist history in there, suggesting that John was barely involved with Made In Heaven. But that's the price of admission. Or leaving, in his case. |
| queenUSA 18.11.2011 22:02 |
From a cosmic perspective, the universe pushed these 4 together to do the amazing things they did. That is something too powerful to have lasting differences - so I basically wish John could talk to them. Who wins with things this way? |
| GratefulFan 18.11.2011 22:36 |
The Q interviews earlier this year offered some insight on the various relationships. Roger followed by Brian, both near the bottoms of their pages: link link |
| YourValentine 19.11.2011 03:09 |
When you hear and read about Queen's carreer, it never looked like you are dealing with four good friends - there seemed to have been rows and fights from day 1 until the time when Freddie came out about his AIDS condition to the band. Fans seem to have a desire to believe that their favourite band is a group of close buddies who make it against the odds but I do not believe that was the case with Queen. I think that Freddie always was totally honest about that: why kill the goose that laid the golden eggs. Queen stayed together because they were successful and all four of them were much too intelligent to let personal animosities come into their ways. Certainly Roger and Brian were good friends in the early days and Roger and Freddie seem to have been good friends until Freddie's death but I would not be surprised if John would have had a problem with Freddie's lifestyle and Brian surely must have had some resentments against John's anti-guitar politics in the 1980s. Many problems were carefully hidden from the public - for example Paul Prenter was never even mentioned by any Queen representative until the recent DOOL documentary. About John's alleged "contempt" towards the fans - I wonder if people ever consider that John Deacon might have very good reasons to distance himself from the band - apparently he already distanced himself from the band as early as the late 80s. After all, he never came into Brian's and Roger's way and signed off all their projects after Freddie's death. Let us not forget that he could have vetoed away everything. Brian and Roger have no reason to be "pissed off" by John imo. The band was finished after Freddie died - Brian and Roger have no right to expect John Deacon to take part in their money-making machine - just my opinion. |
| Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson 19.11.2011 03:25 |
Regarding John I simply think that the whole rock career was a bit of an accident which he never fully enjoyed. Freddie, Brian and Roger all wanted to be stars while John just wanted to be in play in a band for a while. |
| Mr Mercury 19.11.2011 06:02 |
This might add a little insight to how things "might" be between Brian and John these days. This is from this months Classic Rock mag. Brian was asked "When did you last go round to John Deacon's house for a meal?" His reply "A very long time ago. I see John's offspring, but John prefers to stay away. And we respect that completely. We have this agreement where we leave each other alone" On the one hand I think, ok John really does just want to have peace and quiet away from the whole music business hence this "agreement". But then, on the other hand, and coupled with Roger's comment on the Jo Whiley show about John coming back from Bali "looking like he was on mushrooms - he was a strange one", I think all is maybe not that well between them. I hope its the latter though...... |
| Holly2003 19.11.2011 08:05 |
The Real Wizard wrote: In 93/94, Brian and Roger apparently weren't speaking. John and Roger started Made In Heaven without Brian. There's an interview from 1993 where Roger has some not-too-cheerful things to say about Brian.=========================================================================== This the one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-R6XHG5ic |
| Kevinrm15 19.11.2011 11:14 |
Brian wrote in 2003 that Freddie wrote Soul Brother for him. So Brian & Freddie obviously had a good relationship. Brian said in the 90's that Freddie was like a brother to him. As for John, he is always welcome to come back to the band if he ever chose to do so! |
| The Real Wizard 19.11.2011 14:33 |
Holly2003 wrote: This the one? link ================= Ah yes, that's it ! |
| Donna13 19.11.2011 16:36 |
I think that because they were creating together they must have been very very close as in being able to anticipate each other's thoughts and reactions. So in this sense they would probably be closer to each other than a friend. We tend to show our best sides to friends but they would have experienced it all together - the challenges, frustrations, anguish, thrills, success, stress, etc. |
| tcc 20.11.2011 03:54 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Holly2003 wrote: This the one? link ================= Ah yes, that's it ! In this interview, Roger said that he and John would carry on with Queen with or without Brian. Now the situation is that Roger and Brian carried on with Queen with or without John. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 15.07.2014 18:00 |
Is only my opinion after doing a lot of interviews to a lot of Queen's world (Justin Shirley-Smith, Mack, Mike Moran, Roger, etc...) Brian and Freddie were no closer friends, only friends in the last couple of years. They respected each other, no more. John and Freddie were the godfathers of Mac's children. Roger and Freddie were the best friends in the band. Roger and Brian had a love/hate relationship. John went well with Roger,and he felt very close to Freddie because of Freddie's protection and helped him to did more songs. John and Brian never being friends |
| Stelios 16.07.2014 04:08 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Is only my opinion after doing a lot of interviews to a lot of Queen's world (Justin Shirley-Smith, Mack, Mike Moran, Roger, etc...) Brian and Freddie were no closer friends, only friends in the last couple of years. They respected each other, no more. John and Freddie were the godfathers of Mac's children.Brian's and Freddie relationhip may have been more complex than that. For instance i was surprised to see May dressed as a witch in that famous Freddie's party in Munich (living on my own video). And it wasn't what you would call a "maistream party". Also remember reading how one visited the others home as young lads, and get excited with the stereo effects of their favourites music. My guess is that Freddie's sexuality kept Brian a little precocious. Also the love/hate thing might have been there as well. As for John and Freddie beeing godfathers of Mac's children, does it say a lot? Perhaps yes, perhaps no. Again Freddie's flamboyant persona may have kept John a little distant. Deacon didn't exactly needed that much to alianate himself. This one is evident from the beginings till nowdays. |
| Vocal harmony 16.07.2014 10:35 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Holly2003 wrote: This the one? link ================= Ah yes, that's it !I'd forgotten about this, but it goes some way to explaining how things were. Also on seeing one of the Back To The Light shows Roger left saying it looked and sounded like a 3rd rate Queen show! I think post 91/92 tension had a lot to do with BM, at the time, wanting nothing to do with the band. I think it's well documented that through the early to mid 80's most of their time together was spent on a professional level and very little else |
| goose44 16.07.2014 10:58 |
Interesting old topic. I believe the majority of these statements are spot on about the boys. Roger and Freddie were always close and like "best friend type relationship when Queen were working and never seemed to have any problems. Freddie and Brian were like brothers, very close when they were on good terms but could fight like dogs and be sick of one another at times. Brian and Roger were closer friends early on but as time passed it started to fade but obviously got closer after 1995 after MIH. As shown by Roger's 93 interview, he and John were working on MIH to start and Brian was having lots of problems and they did not see eye to eye for a short stint. Now they are closer than ever. As far as John goes, I think he would be considered friends/ acquatances, (sorry for the spelling) with Freddie and Roger but no or very little connection with John at all. Have you ever sen any clips with the two of them playing together in the same screen shot on stage? Very rare. The only thing I can think off was the little sol at the end of One Vision at Wembley. Musically these guys were all over the place, except for Brian. Brian is the hard rock heavy metal person who could spice it up with a blues song or a soft one. Freddie was the same early on but with alot more style and loud vocals and overdubbing. I believe he just lost interest in the 80's with all the partying and the gay clubs and Paul Prenter. Once Paul was away and the partying stopped for the Miracle and Innuendo, the music got better and back to that 70's vibe like with tracks Scandal, IWIA, WIAWI, and most of the Innuendo record. Roger changed to in the late 70's with New Wave style which he carried out even till today on his solo records and some Queen tracks. John was into Funk, Disco, Pop in the 80's which Fred liked and hurt their music, imo, although Roger put up some stinkers. as well. These are my random thoughts and all my opinion. |
| FreddieCat 16.07.2014 12:45 |
I also like this subject and think it is very timely as to where they are now. The video provides a strong hint that Roger would work with other artists. John obviously hated the '+' idea. John may have perceived that Freddie would not approve of a '+' member as well. Freddie and Brian seemingly struggled with their creative working relationship. Freddie was a perfectionist and task master on how tours and studio projects were presented. John may have felt this perfectionism slipping away if '+' members were added (at the time Robbie Williams). IOW, John may have struggled with 'what would Freddie do/think'? I think Freddie and John were the closest considering Freddie and Mary walked John in to his wedding with Veronica, that lasting bond remained forever with John. Don't think Freddie and Brian liked each other. Do think Freddie liked and felt comfortable with Roger, although with gentle creative differences abiding in their relationship. Roger may have become frustrated with his time with John post Freddie in terms of ability to create new music and go in "new" directions. Brian may have agreed more closely with Roger at the 1997 point causing John to retire to his family. I don't like the single '+' members either as collaborators or a contracted singer such as the current "+", but would love to see Queen do a Queen + Friends like Pavarotti and friends, especially as a charity event. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2014 14:44 |
I don't think it's possible to confine their relationships into a paragraph. Could you write about your relationship with your long-standing friends or family in 2 minutes? A recent quote from Keith Richards re: Mick Jagger is probably the best on the subject - "it's like a marriage that you can't get out of." ^ for better or for worse. When you're young and hungry, you have a common goal and it keeps you together. When the money rolls in, things get complicated. How many bands manage to stay together for a couple decades after they find success? Can we name even 5? U2 and Radiohead are the only ones I can think of. Or can Rush and Green Day count too ? I digress. It must be a slow news day if we're actually convincing ourselves that we can describe the decades-long interpersonal relationships of people most of us have never met. Even most biographers can't touch this stuff with a ten foot pole. |
| goose44 16.07.2014 15:45 |
WIZARD, it has nothing to do with a slow news day. This is good to see what people perceive from all the history with the group. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2014 15:56 |
Fair play. Then enjoy the speculation. What I'm saying is - most of what people think they know is little more than PR. The complexities of these relationships are simply not accessible to even their biographers, never mind people whose knowledge of the band is limited to documentaries and magazine articles. |
| Stelios 16.07.2014 16:14 |
The thing is that those 3 folks accompanied Freddie to the end of life. That changes everything. No other group can say that. Its an overwhelming subject that i believe the three of them struggle even today in some way. This is why the subject seems/is poignat . Becouse it reflects into relationships coming into full circle. Thats a rare thing to witness especially in the public figures realm. |
| brENsKi 16.07.2014 16:35 |
Stelios wrote: The thing is that those 3 folks accompanied Freddie to the end of life. That changes everything. No other group can say that. Its an overwhelming subject that i believe the three of them struggle even today in some way. This is why the subject seems/is poignat . Becouse it reflects into relationships coming into full circle. Thats a rare thing to witness especially in the public figures realm.i disagree somewhat with this ^^^ firstly, they didn't accompany Freddie to the end of his life...they visited from time to time, but they didnt accompany him - Mary & Jim were the two that it could be said actually accompanied him. So in the context and perspective of accuracy, I'd say the whole bandmates closeness thing was no different than the former member of Deep Purple with Jon Lord's Death, Kiss with Eric Carr, Philip Chevron & the Pogues and say Tony Iommi and co from Heaven & Hell with Ronnie Dio....and what about a couple of Bee-gees - surely closer than queen ever were? As Bob said in the post immediately above yours - speculation can be interesting...but fact it ain't. the danger of a post like yours is that someone reads conjecture as fact. |
| Stelios 16.07.2014 17:00 |
brENsKi wrote:....i see your pont. But i was more focusing on creative accompany.Stelios wrote: The thing is that those 3 folks accompanied Freddie to the end of life. That changes everything. No other group can say that. Its an overwhelming subject that i believe the three of them struggle even today in some way. This is why the subject seems/is poignat . Becouse it reflects into relationships coming into full circle. Thats a rare thing to witness especially in the public figures realm.i disagree somewhat with this ^^^ firstly, they didn't accompany Freddie to the end of his life...they visited from time to time, but they didnt accompany him - Mary & Jim were the two that it could be said actually accompanied him. So in the context and perspective of accuracy, I'd say the whole bandmates closeness thing was no different than the former member of Deep Purple with Jon Lord's Death, Kiss with Eric Carr, Philip Chevron & the Pogues and say Tony Iommi and co from Heaven & Hell with Ronnie Dio....and what about a couple of Bee-gees - surely closer than queen ever were? As Bob said in the post immediately above yours - speculation can be interesting...but fact it ain't. the danger of a post like yours is that someone reads conjecture as fact. Sometimes this hits as deep as physical one.Perhaps even harder becouse art has this transgressive factor almost no other communication form has. To be honest i am not aware of all the examples you mention. But what i do know about AIDS in those times, is something i read on a book. "Aids gives space/time for the death itself to live." This may be applied to every terminal illness of course. However i have the feeling that AIDS somehow "digged" deeper and harder the concept of death to its victims and those around. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2014 17:15 |
brENsKi wrote: what about a couple of Bee-gees - surely closer than queen ever were?^ bingo. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2014 17:16 |
Stelios wrote: But what i do know about AIDS in those times, is something i read on a book. "Aids gives space/time for the death itself to live."Wow. Powerful. |
| slithybill 17.07.2014 20:54 |
Has John been mentioned by Roger or Brian on stage during this tour? I assume his picture has been shown during some of the montages, but has he been singled out by name at all? |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 17.07.2014 22:31 |
The complexities of these relationships are accessible to the persons who collaborated with them, like Fred Mandel, Mack or Roy Thomas Baker Wizzard. And yes, they can be more gentleman with John. The opinion about John by Roger is not very kind. And Roger is an ironic person. He said to me they never talked with Robbie Williams. Later, I found an interview and he said yes....so.... |
| Raadiooqueen4 10.02.2018 02:39 |
Nobody has replied to this post in almost 4 years(sorry if that isn’t allowed) but recently I’ve been reading posts that say Brian and Freddie never got along or weren’t friends and honestly I wouldn’t have known that if it wasn’t for looking at those posts, cause Brian even said Freddie was his friend and even though they got into fights and didn’t always get along they were still were like brothers. And Brian was really affected by Freddie’s death and I’m pretty sure he said it was like losing a family member too? But maybe if Freddie was here he’d be saying something completely different and saying that they aren’t friends and hate each other, plus there’s people here that know them way more than I do so I could be wrong. If Brian and Freddie really weren’t friends Brian really plays it up like they were |
| Sebastian 10.02.2018 16:40 |
Not having been there, I've no way of knowing. |
| mooghead 10.02.2018 18:04 |
"they were still were like brothers" Brothers love each other but still fight like cat and dog and certainly don't hang out together... |
| Pim Derks 11.02.2018 09:56 |
Obviously they all hated Freddie and got him infected so that they could take control of the band. |
| thomasquinn 32989 11.02.2018 13:22 |
Let's be honest here, if I were researching Queen in a professional manner, I would not consider Brian May a reliable source because of his many, many contradictory statements and his completely inconsistent interpretation of the band's past. That is not to say that you can discount what he says offhand, but that information for which a statement by Brian May is the only source is weak and needs further investigation. |
| Raadiooqueen4 11.02.2018 17:42 |
I just became a fan closer to the end of last year so I’m not really aware of Brian’s inconsistency, but Roger has also said similar things to be fair. I personally don’t see why they’d lie? I also genuinely think Brian misses Freddie, and sure maybe that kinda makes him lie cause he wants to tell himself “no we were friends! We were close!” But idk, I could just be naive though. |
| thomasquinn 32989 11.02.2018 17:57 |
Please note that I did not say he's a liar, but that he's not a reliable source. I don't think Brian deliberately misrepresents the truth most of the time when he says or writes something questionable, I just think he's susceptible to 'colouring in the picture' a bit through nostalgia. A little like how the cliché proud war veteran gradually increases the part he heroically played. It's not uncommon, and something which almost everyone does at some point and to some degree, but it is a thing to take note of. I'm basically just saying that Brian tends to remember things to have been a little nicer than they were, and that he remembers things in such a way that he looks a little better than he might perhaps have done to a disinterested observer at the time. |
| Raadiooqueen4 11.02.2018 18:14 |
That’s was I was saying he might just be remembering differently cause he does miss those days and of course misses Freddie, and who knows what Freddie would say I know he did say in an interview in the early 80s that he hates them but then they all got closer towards the end of Freddie’s life so that could’ve all changed. It reminds me of how Paul talks about The Beatles, he could be remembering things differently as well and I think the director of eight days a week even said Paul told him to show John and Paul as best mates not as enemies |
| space cow 11.02.2018 18:26 |
it is our fans that wish to see Queen as four close-knit BFFs but that is unrealistic.. if we look at relationships with our friends, we all have ups and downs even with the closest friends.. let alone with someone we're not that close to. Queen got along pretty well when you take into consideration mutual their differences in music and lifestyle.. compared to let's say Pink Floyd who never got along and were always at the verge of a clash until they split up, Queen were the best possible friends in the world :) It is hard to be involved in a band (professionally) over so many years and always agree on the course of the band and what your part of it would be, and still be friends with everyone.. I would say it's impossible. I remember once John said that got along great musically with Freddie but that he could never imagine Freddie coming to his house for a dinner with his family and vice versa.. so I think they got along great in the band but privately they weren't friends. Roger and Freddie did get along privately which can be seen in various footage. And as it was already stated, Brian/Roger thing was always love/hate, currently being love. During work on MIH, Roger said a lot of not so nice things about Brian, mentioning that he and John had a completely another idea about how the album should sound, and that the Brian in his opinion ruined the album with his final input. It seems to me that they all respected each other, and stick together with Freddie until his end. Somehow for me that is the most important thing, as regardless of what John, Brian and Roger feel for each other currently, they never talked much rubbish about each other in press and that's something not many bands can say about themselves. |
| Raadiooqueen4 11.02.2018 18:54 |
When I first became a fan I did think they were tight knit tbh! But that’s cause the first thing I listened to was No One But You and watched videos of Brian performing it and clearly he got emotional and I figured that they were like brothers cause who would write a song like that for someone who was just a colleagues? Tbh I think it’s the “tight knit” image that got me into Queen so now idk if I wanna believe they were just co workers at best |
| splicksplack 11.02.2018 19:40 |
I may have mentioned this before but an extraordinary thing happened at a Roger Taylor gig which underlines the things said above about Roger and Brian not getting on in the early 90's. I happened to have connections with the Shepherd's Bush Empire and knew a lot of the staff including the stage manager. When Roger played one of his two '94 gigs there I was told that Brian attended in total secrecy (I think Anita was with him). Apparently he was ushered into somewhere high up in the upper circle and on no account was anyone to know he was there. Whether he was in disguise or not I don't know. The stage manager (who thought Queen were a bit of a joke) came into the pub next door (as a lot of the Empire staff did when they had some down time) and knowing I was a fan took great relish in telling me what was going on in 'Brian May's a total nut job' kind of way. He said that apparently they hated each other and Roger wasn't to know he was there. Apparently back stage was like a snow storm if you know what I mean. |
| Holly2003 11.02.2018 20:42 |
splicksplack wrote: I may have mentioned this before but an extraordinary thing happened at a Roger Taylor gig which underlines the things said above about Roger and Brian not getting on in the early 90's. I happened to have connections with the Shepherd's Bush Empire and knew a lot of the staff including the stage manager. When Roger played one of his two '94 gigs there I was told that Brian attended in total secrecy (I think Anita was with him). Apparently he was ushered into somewhere high up in the upper circle and on no account was anyone to know he was there. Whether he was in disguise or not I don't know. The stage manager (who thought Queen were a bit of a joke) came into the pub next door (as a lot of the Empire staff did when they had some down time) and knowing I was a fan took great relish in telling me what was going on in 'Brian May's a total nut job' kind of way. He said that apparently they hated each other and Roger wasn't to know he was there. Apparently back stage was like a snow storm if you know what I mean.Brian in disguise. That would be funny to see. Stovepipe hat? "Oh look, its Abraham Lincoln!" I think there definitely was a fall out in that time period but its odd that Brian would attend a show at all if he was seriously angry with RT. |
| mike hunt 11.02.2018 21:48 |
space cow wrote: it is our fans that wish to see Queen as four close-knit BFFs but that is unrealistic.. if we look at relationships with our friends, we all have ups and downs even with the closest friends.. let alone with someone we're not that close to. Queen got along pretty well when you take into consideration mutual their differences in music and lifestyle.. compared to let's say Pink Floyd who never got along and were always at the verge of a clash until they split up, Queen were the best possible friends in the world :) It is hard to be involved in a band (professionally) over so many years and always agree on the course of the band and what your part of it would be, and still be friends with everyone.. I would say it's impossible. I remember once John said that got along great musically with Freddie but that he could never imagine Freddie coming to his house for a dinner with his family and vice versa.. so I think they got along great in the band but privately they weren't friends. Roger and Freddie did get along privately which can be seen in various footage. And as it was already stated, Brian/Roger thing was always love/hate, currently being love. During work on MIH, Roger said a lot of not so nice things about Brian, mentioning that he and John had a completely another idea about how the album should sound, and that the Brian in his opinion ruined the album with his final input. It seems to me that they all respected each other, and stick together with Freddie until his end. Somehow for me that is the most important thing, as regardless of what John, Brian and Roger feel for each other currently, they never talked much rubbish about each other in press and that's something not many bands can say about themselves.Just want too comment on your Freddie/John comment...about not inviting him to dinner as friends....I could be wrong but wasn't Freddie the Godfather of one of John's Kids? Or was that only Mack? |
| space cow 11.02.2018 22:07 |
They were both godfathers to Mack's son. Freddie was never a godfather of John's kids. I remember when John said that it didn't sound mean or anything, he just pointed out they weren't hanging out together privately, outside the touring/recording time. |
| Invisible Woman 12.02.2018 12:00 |
They didn't tell all to the press or in interviews, of course. That only they know. Whatever was relationships between them it doestn't much matter, they made a great music and that's is most important. |
| Vocal harmony 12.02.2018 19:35 |
Yes you're right. Most people out side the inner Queen circle would have no idea. Even less so if you're a fan looking in from here. Reading and listening to interviews only tells us what the interviewee wants people to know |
| SundayAfternoon 27.02.2019 20:39 |
As for relationships between Brian and John... have you already seen this photo from the John's birthday party held in August 1985? Well, it's not rare to see together John and Veronica with Brian and Christine, however I didn't find any other group members on this party. link |
| Sebastian 28.02.2019 05:03 |
Nice photo! |
| Dougie 4 28.02.2019 06:58 |
I do feel sad about John Deacon...it is one thing to respect his need for privacy...but lately it seems as if Brian and Roger never ever acknowledge him as a member of Queen...no mention of him even in passing |
| Dougie 4 28.02.2019 06:59 |
Do they even like him any more? |
| bucsateflon 28.02.2019 08:28 |
Dougie 4 wrote: I do feel sad about John Deacon...it is one thing to respect his need for privacy...but lately it seems as if Brian and Roger never ever acknowledge him as a member of Queen...no mention of him even in passingpathetic |
| Sebastian 28.02.2019 14:24 |
Really? When asked about him, they've mentioned him, always respecting him as a musician and person. I think some people just love reading too much into things... |
