| amazinmets73 13.09.2011 23:08 |
It seems I'm the only person in the world who likes this song. I think it's a wonderful, simple rocker, and Roger sounds great on it! Every other Queen fan hates it. |
| Rick 14.09.2011 02:55 |
I love this track, because it's so Roger in every way. The lyrics are very autobiographical, just like Tenement Funster. The drum sound is pretty amazing, especially the toms. I especially like the bridge. |
| dive2063 14.09.2011 03:44 |
I like it too very much!! )) great, heavy track |
| shanoon 14.09.2011 03:53 |
i like it too. one of my favs of the ones with roger on vocals, btw it was my fav song when i was 9 years old :) i'm almost 30 now |
| master marathon runner 14.09.2011 06:31 |
These sort of posts irritate me somewhat. -after loving Queen for 37 years and most of their efforts, all of a sudden somebody claims there's a groundswell of negativity about a particular track, we've had scores on QZ ! Complete utter myths. Tell you what, Wait 6 months and then post a negative claim about Bo Rhap or Killer Queen and you can guarantee there'll be some negative support, with the majority defending and extolling the said track. Dont get me wrong, i'm not one for automatic loyalty to every Queen song, but the tracks i feel are not up to scratch i keep to myself 'cos i know it's just my particular taste and i would'nt dream of lobbying support against them( cos that's what these posts seem to incite, albeit in the minority) That's just the way it is. I love loser in the end, you dont fool me , delilah, body language, stormtrooper in stillettos et al and the one's i dont like--i'll keep to myself. Master marathon runner |
| philip storey 14.09.2011 07:38 |
Well said sir !! |
| Dane 14.09.2011 09:09 |
Roger was the BEST in writing bridges to songs. Most of his songs have a middle section absolutely perfect for the song. Most of his chord changes are out of this world but fit perfectly. Best example is Drowse i.m.o. PS: Loser in the End = great song! |
| Hangman_96 14.09.2011 10:46 |
I like this song too. In my opinion, it's one of those underrated cool songs. |
| brENsKi 14.09.2011 11:13 |
i think the single biggest contributor to the "shit song /great song" grapevine are the ineptly put together threads which have such imaginative titles as "queen's worst top ten" or "queen's top 67 songs"" one things for sure....posting "only" a list of album tracks and marks out of ten (typically - low 8, high 10)...is only of interest to the other lobotomised trolls lurking around here why the fuck people start these threads god only knows.....i personally couldn't give a flying f*ck what other fans like. for those who want to start these topics...try a different approach: listen the the albums/tracks etc yourselves...and instead of making a f*cking pointless subjectively vacuous list...try posting a detailed appraisal/critique of the track/album in question. some examples: the epic qualities of the solo, the range of the vocals, the depth or otherwise of the lyrics, or even how familiar Roger's skin-bashing-fills sound like a deja-vu of another track......anything...anything but ranking lists |
| The Real Wizard 14.09.2011 12:45 |
It has always been said that Queen fans are intelligent., but maybe some of them aren't as intelligent as they think they are.. |
| A Word In Your Ear 14.09.2011 12:52 |
Love The Song!!!!!! nothing more to say. |
| brENsKi 14.09.2011 13:00 |
Sir GH wrote: It has always been said that Queen fans are intelligent., but maybe some of them aren't as intelligent as they think they are.. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i think this shows up clearly on the forums. Queen seem to attract an almost child-like element that is non-existent on Floyd, Beatles, and Purple forums to name a few. Is it any wonder Queen are not taken seriously when the forums are full of puerile threads? if i had to make an observation about the comments, i'd say that the "seriously-taken" rock bands forums have comments that add something to an intially worthwhile thread, whereas queen's forums are full of the kind of throwaway remarks you get under youtube videos. "shit", "great" "in my top five any day" "wow" etc etc |
| The Real Wizard 14.09.2011 14:15 |
The brilliant Aaron Sorkin once said, "I am all for everyone having a voice. I just don't think everyone has earned the microphone. And that's what the internet has done." This place used to have a lot of great posters, and some are still here. But the juvenile drivel and trolls have driven most of them away. This is a prime example of how the "making everyone feel equal" attitude can bite you in the ass. I was watching a spelling bee a couple weeks ago, and at the end of each round when the kids who spelled a word wrong were booted, the invigilator gave a speech thus: "You have conquered some challenging words, and we'd like to thank each of you for participating. You're all winners." Had they not added that last line, maybe a few of these kids would accept that they are losers, and then subsequently set goals so that they can improve and one day be a genuine winner. But because of this soccer-mom mentality that pervades our discourse surrounding children, many people don't find out that they're losers until their 20s or 30s. I see it every day of my life. And at online forums like this one, by having no quality control, everyone ultimately loses. The quality of the discourse suffers, and people who should be reading a book or going out into the world to learn aren't doing it. |
| MERQRY 14.09.2011 14:56 |
Sir GH wrote: The brilliant Aaron Sorkin once said, "I am all for everyone having a voice. I just don't think everyone has earned the microphone. And that's what the internet has done." This place used to have a lot of great posters, and some are still here. But the juvenile drivel and trolls have driven most of them away. This is a prime example of "making everyone feel equal" attitude can bite you in the ass. I was watching a spelling bee a couple weeks ago, and at the end of each round when the kids who spelled a word wrong were booted, the invigilator gave a speech thus: "You have conquered some challenging words, and we'd like to thank each of you for participating. You're all winners." Had they not added that last line, maybe a few of these kids would accept that they are losers, and then subsequently goals so that they can improve and one day be a genuine winner. But because of this soccer-mom mentality that pervades our discourse surrounding children, many people don't find out that they're losers until their 20s or 30s. I see it every day of my life. And at online forums like this one, by having no quality control, everyone ultimately loses. The quality of the discourse suffers, and people who should be reading a book or going out into the world to learn aren't doing it. --------- Sure,bob! i just realize lately i'm 95% agree with you! |
| ludwigs 14.09.2011 15:40 |
Very good points Bob! In the UK exams HAVE got progressively easier over many years. These days so many students obtain 312 A-star grades!!!These people don't know simple arithmetic, grammar etc etc.... It IS a bug-bear of mine. Society has become a whiney, spineless domain. The reasons that I employed someone was based on their interview, relevant experience etc..... I was discussing some issues with some recent University graduates and they stated that a 'D' Grade and also 'E' is classed as a pass in an exam!!!!!!!! Not wanting to sound like an Old Git, I stated that, when we were young, anything below a 'C' was a fail! I know times have changed and all youngsters have such stress nowadays but I can't help but despair. Stress was those in the World Wars, illness etc etc but I'll stop there. Inane comments regarding songs, polls etc is all crap I reckon. The song here IS one that is fantastic. Simple in structure but nice work on the lead voc, drums, bass and lead guitar.(oh and mellotron) My guess is that people that offer up threads with such stupid headers/themes/structure are really..............pretty shite! Offer some validity to your announcement and people MAY take your critique a little more seriously than the wailings of a fool? Maybe they like GH 1, 2 and 3........or just the recent hits? Yawn... ps: amizen: I'm not referring to you as you like this one. |
| ITSM 15.09.2011 02:41 |
I also like this song. Nice lyrics with cool soundeffects, like the "slamming door". The drums are also great. |
| Back2TheLight 15.09.2011 04:57 |
I dunno...I always thought this song was pretty cool...with the new remaster, it brings out alot more in terms of sonic quality than the HR version I was used to. No hate from me about this song! |
| AlbaNo1 15.09.2011 14:03 |
If there is a negative to Loser in The End its that it doesnt really fit the sound and running order of the album Queen II. |
| ITSM 16.09.2011 06:23 |
Yes, I see your point. It stands out from the album feeling - the same for White Man on A Day at the Races, I think. These two songs has really grown on me, and now they are great! |
| brENsKi 16.09.2011 12:39 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: If there is a negative to Loser in The End its that it doesnt really fit the sound and running order of the album Queen II. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ wow. i disagree. it fits no worse than that pointless dirge "some day one day" |
| Holly2003 16.09.2011 13:40 |
brENsKi wrote: AlbaNo1 wrote: If there is a negative to Loser in The End its that it doesnt really fit the sound and running order of the album Queen II. wow. i disagree. it fits no worse than that pointless dirge "some day one day" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it sounds like a hippie anthem of the late 1960s, but at least the lyrics fit with the rest of the album (queen, fairies, orgres etc) whereas Loser in the End is more like a teenage rebellion song by The Who. ps the guitar on Some Day makes up for the soppy lyrics. |
| brENsKi 16.09.2011 16:07 |
where's the "hippies fairies and ogres" in "Funny How Love Is" "Nevermore" and "Father to Son" and "White Queen" isn't about any of the above either...it's a song about someone Brian knew |
| MERQRY 16.09.2011 16:07 |
Holly2003 wrote: brENsKi wrote: AlbaNo1 wrote: If there is a negative to Loser in The End its that it doesnt really fit the sound and running order of the album Queen II. wow. i disagree. it fits no worse than that pointless dirge "some day one day" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it sounds like a hippie anthem of the late 1960s, but at least the lyrics fit with the rest of the album (queen, fairies, orgres etc) whereas Loser in the End is more like a teenage rebellion song by The Who. ps the guitar on Some Day makes up for the soppy lyrics. --------------- Mmmm we could say The loser in the end is about a teenage goblin who wants to break free of his fairy mother and... Voilá! the song now fits with Queen II ! |
| MERQRY 16.09.2011 16:09 |
brENsKi wrote: where's the "hippies fairies and ogres" in "Funny How Love Is" "Nevermore" and "Father to Son" and "White Queen" isn't about any of the above either...it's a song about someone Brian knew --------------- About Funny how love is... i always wonder the same untill a friend said me that she tried to imagine a chorus of fairys and elfs singing the song... ha ha in some cases it works |
| Holly2003 16.09.2011 16:12 |
brENsKi wrote: where's the "hippies fairies and ogres" in "Funny How Love Is" "Nevermore" and "Father to Son" and "White Queen" isn't about any of the above either...it's a song about someone Brian knew queens, fairies and ogres, not hippies. fer phuck sake. Like, Loser, Funny How Love Is doesn't fit either. Queen II is nearly a concept/themed album, except for those 2 songs. |
| brENsKi 16.09.2011 16:31 |
sorry, but NO II is not a concept album. side black is almost a concept - but that's only really because of the segue of Fairy Fella/Nevermore/Balck Queen...the rest of it NO as for side white...you need to explain what concept or thread...you named THREE things....and way i see it Father to Son - real life, maybe set middle ages White Queen - about someone Brian knew in 1968(ish) Someday One Day - hippie shit Losr in the End - about growing up and leaving home Nevermore - a flowery song about broken love Funny How LOve Is - a little bit of a nod towards the Lurex single so i dont see a concept or a them |
| Holly2003 16.09.2011 16:38 |
brENsKi wrote: sorry, but NO II is not a concept album. side black is almost a concept - but that's only really because of the segue of Fairy Fella/Nevermore/Balck Queen...the rest of it NO as for side white...you need to explain what concept or thread...you named THREE things....and way i see it Father to Son - real life, maybe set middle ages White Queen - about someone Brian knew in 1968(ish) Someday One Day - hippie shit Losr in the End - about growing up and leaving home Nevermore - a flowery song about broken love Funny How LOve Is - a little bit of a nod towards the Lurex single so i dont see a concept or a them ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White Queen is the moon. |
| brENsKi 16.09.2011 16:49 |
you sure about that? i will bow to your knowledge...but i felt sure i read an interview that said it was about a blind girl he knew anyone confirm one way or the other? all i had to go on was this old queenzone post from 2004: (and i would accept John Stuart's word) he was compiling the ultimate queen list at that time, and has probably forgotten more than i'll ever know ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John S Stuart Deity: 3896 posts Posted: 24 Oct 04, 21:59 As before. Please feel free to contribute. Very little remains from "Queen II". Followed so quickly behind the heels of the debut album "Queen", that the two sessions were almost cut back to back. For this reason their is a distinct lack of out-takes or alternative material. So much so Brian May had to recycle an old 1968 home demo of "White Queen", (a song about a blind girl Brian had met). It was always Freddie's intention to end "Queen" and begin "Queen II" with "Seven Seas Of Rhye, but this time, he "lost the vote". Album was divided into two sides Side White and Side Black (representing the duality and co-existence between good and evil). Brian & Roger shared the credits for wiriting side white, While Freddie Mercury was sole responsibility for writing side black. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ full link: link |
| AlbaNo1 16.09.2011 17:08 |
brENsKi wrote: sorry, but NO II is not a concept album. side black is almost a concept - but that's only really because of the segue of Fairy Fella/Nevermore/Balck Queen...the rest of it NO as for side white...you need to explain what concept or thread...you named THREE things....and way i see it Father to Son - real life, maybe set middle ages White Queen - about someone Brian knew in 1968(ish) Someday One Day - hippie shit Losr in the End - about growing up and leaving home Nevermore - a flowery song about broken love Funny How LOve Is - a little bit of a nod towards the Lurex single so i dont see a concept or a them The poster said it was nearly a concept album which you are close to conceding in part while at the same time characteristically trying to dismiss the views and perception of others. The sound and quaint , ornate style of lyric, if not the subject matter, are pretty similar on a lot of tracks ,moreso than on other Queen albums. You are picking bones with White Queen as the imagery does fit in with the general fairy tale tone if taken literally . Musically most of the songs are multi-layered. Loser in the End stands in complete contrast to all this. I think the gritty Roger tracks are great on Queen, SHA and ANATO and the contrast with the other styles works on those. |
| Holly2003 16.09.2011 17:30 |
Nope, I'm not sure. Someone posted a very insightful interpretation of the lyrics here some time ago, which I happen to agree with. But of course it's possibly wrong. Is John Stuart sure? If there is an interview of Brian saying that, it would be conclusive. Short of that, the song is open to interpretation. |
| MERQRY 16.09.2011 17:31 |
brENsKi wrote: sorry, but NO II is not a concept album. side black is almost a concept - but that's only really because of the segue of Fairy Fella/Nevermore/Balck Queen...the rest of it NO as for side white...you need to explain what concept or thread...you named THREE things....and way i see it Father to Son - real life, maybe set middle ages White Queen - about someone Brian knew in 1968(ish) Someday One Day - hippie shit Losr in the End - about growing up and leaving home Nevermore - a flowery song about broken love Funny How LOve Is - a little bit of a nod towards the Lurex single so i dont see a concept or a them -------- Hey! Father to son is almost medieval it's like king arthur histories and that histories has an implicit magic arround! "Don't destroy what you see... your country to be" "Kings will be crown"......... and white queen... "the mother of willow green" she's a magical figure at least... this song even has a very "isabelline" atmosphere... |
| mike hunt 16.09.2011 18:32 |
I ususally don't comment on songs i don't like, but loser in the end shouldn't have been on Queen2.....the first side belonged to Brian, and of course side 2 was freddie's....for some odd reason they needed to include a roger song...the other two songs people complain about are "funny how love is" and "some day One Day" both i think are pretty good....loser in the end i alway's skip.... |
| rhyeking 16.09.2011 21:26 |
I agree, Queen II is not and was never intended to be a concept album. My understanding is that concept albums usually start with a idea or a set of related ideas, possibly a story, and the work is sculpted and shaped accordingly. Tommy and The Wall are concept albums. Rush did concept 'sides' like 2112. Small Faces' 'Happiness Stan' story is another such side (from Ogden's Nut Gone Flake). Queen II does have strong thematic, lyrical and musical elements which tie it together: Procession = A sombre, vaguely regal piece which ends with the strains of "Father To Son". Father To Son = A letter literally from a father to his son, citing a legacy of conflict and sacrifice repeated through the ages as kings come and go, continuing the hint of medieval or fantasy royalty. White Queen = inspired by a person Brian admired from afar, though by idolizing her as a 'queen' it ties into the royal ideas present in the other songs. Some Day One Day = A quiet song of hope after the emotional weight of the previous three tracks. Cleverly, Brian again refers to the woman as a 'queen,' lyrically tying the songs together. Loser In The End = Though more modern in sensibility and execution, the idea of parents and children is explored once again. Ogre Battle = A fireside-type story of a great battle. Possibly a Rhye song. The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke = Inspired by the painting by Richard Dadd, we're still in a fantasy world here. Nevermore = A simple song of regret, not overly fantastical, but very lush descriptions. The March Of The Black Queen = a phantasmagoria-like epic surrounding a a very dark, majestic figure. It's title ties it to Side White's "White Queen." Funny How Love Is = Again, lyrically, Freddie invokes a vast, all-encompassing world with evocative descriptions. The Seven Seas Of Rhye = A fantasical demi-god overtaking Rhye in a song capturing the essence of the entire album (Royalty, battle, the elements and the supernatural). |
| GratefulFan 16.09.2011 21:37 |
Regarding White Queen and the girl or the moon, Brian said on the Soapbox in 2004: "White Queen" - back in time again - I wrote this at College, where I led a relatively sheltered life, even though the University on the whole was a pretty rampant pace! I had been reading "The White Goddess" by Robert Graves, which explored the role of the idealised Virgin/Mother/Queen/ figure in art through history, and the name for our group, decided just around that time, fitted in with this perfectly - which was one of the reasons I was convinced to go with the name. The personal side is bound up with a girl (of course!) whom I saw every day at College, and was to me the ultimate goddess. It's incredible in retrospect, but because I held her in such awe, in three years I never had the courage to speak to tell her, or even speak to her. The song found its way on to tape much later, on our second album. Interestingly the Graves book he cited is built around imagery and symbolism relating to the phases of the moon and a three faced moon goddess. He talks about Some Day One Day and It's Late in the same post (March 28). http://www.brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssbmar04.html |
| MERQRY 16.09.2011 21:41 |
rhyeking wrote: I agree, Queen II is not and was never intended to be a concept album. My understanding is that concept albums usually start with a idea or a set of related ideas, possibly a story, and the work is sculpted and shaped accordingly. Tommy and The Wall are concept albums. Rush did concept 'sides' like 2112. Small Faces' 'Happiness Stan' story is another such side (from Ogden's Nut Gone Flake). Queen II does have strong thematic, lyrical and musical elements which tie it together: Procession = A sombre, vaguely regal piece which ends with the strains of "Father To Son". Father To Son = A letter literally from a father to his son, citing a legacy of conflict and sacrifice repeated through the ages as kings come and go, continuing the hint of medieval or fantasy royalty. White Queen = inspired by a person Brian admired from afar, though by idolizing her as a 'queen' it ties into the royal ideas present in the other song. Some Day One Day = A quiet song of hope after the emotional weight of the previous three tracks. Cleverly, Brian again refers to the woman as a 'queen,' lyrically tying the songs together. Loser In The End = Though more modern in sensibility and execution, the idea of parents and children is explored once again. Ogre Battle = A fireside-type story of a great battle. Possibly a Rhye song. The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke = Inspired by the painting by Richard Dadd, we're still in a fantasy world here. Nevermore = A simple song of regret, not overly fantastical, but very lush descriptions. The March Of The Black Queen = a phantasmagoria-like epic surrounding a a very dark, majestic figure. It's title ties it to Side White's "White Queen." Funny How Love Is = Again, lyrically, Freddie invokes a vast, all-encompassing world with evocation descriptions. The Seven Seas Of Rhye = A fantasical demi-god overtaking Rhye in a song capturing the essence of the entire album (Royalty, battle, the elements and the supernatural). ------------ Superb!! That's why i love Queen II!!! i liked your description of "Seven seas of rhye"! |
| brENsKi 17.09.2011 03:31 |
of course there are one or two tenuously similar songs on the album...that was a reflection of the song-writing styles (prog-rock) of the time....but to try an call"II" a concept album is preposterous, and silly if you're doing that, then let's rewrite musical history...let's rebadge every album under these "thematically-conceptual" rules...anything with similar songs/themes is hereby called a concept album...even tho the bands had no intention of any concept when writing the songs...so here goes..under these rules: all of Rainbow's (Dio) albums, most of Genesis' early 70s albums, Deep Purple's Machine Head, ALL of Black Sabbath's Ozzy albums....these are all HEREBY concept albums ridiculous |
| Flavus 17.09.2011 04:20 |
I've always assumed that the ''hate'' for Loser In The End originates from the fact that the song is total dross. |
| AlbaNo1 17.09.2011 06:15 |
I dont anyone actually said it was a full concept album in the Who sense, but most people seem to agree that it is more muscially and lyrically themed than most other Queen albums and Loser in the End sticks out - and not in a good way. |
| brENsKi 17.09.2011 08:24 |
another bizarre comment - you're being pedantic. you can't have a "nearly concept" album - an album is either a colleciton of songs or a concept there is no such thing as a "NEARLY CONCEPT" can you see the band sitting down and saying "let's make this a nearly concept? |
| AlbaNo1 17.09.2011 09:09 |
No it probably came about because Freddie and Brian wrote most of the songs and were in a particular musical /lyrical phase at that time which Roger was not in step with. Another poster mentioned the phrase "nearly concept" I did not. i merely picked up on it because you probably knew what the poster was driving towards but chose to come back with a different argument. "Queen II does have strong thematic, lyrical and musical elements which tie it together" is the way Rhyeking put it which is probably fairest. I would suggest its you that is being pedantic as you are focussing on definitions rather than the obvious fact that the song does not fit well on the album. If you honestly think it does fit and its a good song thats fair enough.Otherwise I suspect you are just looking for a debate for its own sake. I find it to be Rogers weakest track of the first 6 albums and also particularly inappropriate for the albums sound. Do you think it enhances the album as Tenement Funster does SHA coming off Killer Queen and segueing into Flick of the Wrist ? |
| brENsKi 17.09.2011 09:57 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: No it probably came about because Freddie and Brian wrote most of the songs and were in a particular musical /lyrical phase at that time which Roger was not in step with. Another poster mentioned the phrase "nearly concept" I did not. i merely picked up on it because you probably knew what the poster was driving towards but chose to come back with a different argument. "Queen II does have strong thematic, lyrical and musical elements which tie it together" is the way Rhyeking put it which is probably fairest. I would suggest its you that is being pedantic as you are focussing on definitions rather than the obvious fact that the song does not fit well on the album. If you honestly think it does fit and its a good song thats fair enough.Otherwise I suspect you are just looking for a debate for its own sake. I find it to be Rogers weakest track of the first 6 albums and also particularly inappropriate for the albums sound. Do you think it enhances the album as Tenement Funster does SHA coming off Killer Queen and segueing into Flick of the Wrist ? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i'm going to deal with your comments in order: 1. the "lyrical step" is not the case. Roger's song on queen I was also very different to the rest of the album. and you can't suggest something as "probably" and expect me or anyone else to accept it as fact. because it makes your hypothesis no more right or wrong than mine. 2. I never referred to YOUR comment - you really should learn to read. i said your comment was bizarre - and this was a direct reference to your pedancy 3. the next comment i made referred to "nearly concepts" this was not directed at YOU or Rhyeking. My reference was directed to Holly 2003 - who actually DID call II a "nearly concept" - you should check before pickign an argument. 4. your last comment is subjective - and all down to individual taste - personally i like Modern Times Rock n Roll - i think it goes quite well on the first album. Loser In The End (IMO) is not the worst "fit" on II - i personally hate Some Day One Day being on there. 5 - as for "looking for debate for the sake of it" - isn't that what eveyrone is doing? if your opinion differs from another then we ALl have a right to voice it. just because i think SDOD is a bag of crap and LITE is quite good, and you think the opposite...doesn't make us right. |
| Holly2003 17.09.2011 10:06 |
brENsKi wrote: another bizarre comment - you're being pedantic. you can't have a "nearly concept" album - an album is either a colleciton of songs or a concept there is no such thing as a "NEARLY CONCEPT" can you see the band sitting down and saying "let's make this a nearly concept? ================================================================================= Here's what I actually said: "Queen II is nearly a concept/themed album, except for those 2 songs." If I remove "concept" from that sentence would it help you understand what I'm trying to say? If not, feel free to continue this conversation without me. I can't add much beyond what I've already said. I see a theme there that I suppose you could call "prog" but I would probably call it fantasy/fairytale/mythic. And Loser in the End / Funny How Love Is don't really fit in with that. Both of them stand out like a sore thumb on the album. Incidentally, I quite like Loser but Funny is a bit crap. OVerall however the album is still a cracker. |
| AlbaNo1 17.09.2011 10:28 |
You did not really respond to all my points - and how do you reconcile your comment about me learning to read with points you have made elsewhere about childish posts? I specifically mentioned Tenement Funster as an example of where Rogers different style works brilliantly unlike on Queen II. On Queen 1 there is a greater variety of songs and the production is not so lush. So a blast of Roger works well here. Its more common sense that if you have 4 tracks in a row composed by one person, and 6 in a row by another that the solitary track in between written by another is going to stick out more.Its just nominally stuck at the end of side 1 on its own . You know it is. |
| brENsKi 17.09.2011 10:43 |
i said that opinion is subjective. and i feel that LITE is a good fit on that side of the album. That's a personal opinion. I don't feel side white conforms to a theme - side black does. Therefore had LITE been tagged on side black say, instead of FHLI then it would've been an extremely bad fit. However, LITE fits better on side white than SDOD, as i think there is no real them on this side....how can there be a theme? you have an instrumental followed by two Brian songs that are not co-themed, then the out of place SDOD, then LITE. also, i'd like you to retract your comment about me "quoting you re: "nearly concepts" and others using that specfic term" it clearly was used - as i stated by Holly 2003, so i had every right to quote it unless of course, YOU are too important to admit you misquoted me/misunderstood/got it wrong.....or was it YOU who was "debating for the sake of it" ? |
| rhyeking 17.09.2011 11:20 |
I think at this point we're going in circles. Can we agree on the following...? - Queen II is not a concept album in the strictest terms, nor was it intended to be. - Queen II has strong lyrical themes and ideas which, however loosely, connect certain songs to each other in different ways. - Some people like "Loser In The End" and think it fits fine on the album, whereas others think it's a good song that doesn't quite fit, and some just don't like the song at all. - Comparisons to other artists' albums can never be absolute and the differences do not negate the similarities. Everything else is pretty much subjective and this thread could go on for years as we nitpick the wording of each post while ignoring the idea and intention behind it. |
| AlbaNo1 17.09.2011 11:25 |
Why should I retract when you have denigrated my comments as bizarre or pedantic. I would not say your responses reveal any lesser sense of self importance on your part than my own. Now that you have elaborated a little on your point of view on the positioning of the song on the album I can see where you have a genuine belief on the topic. Before it just seemed that you were choosing to swim against the tide. As for the debate issue I dont necessarily think its the only function of the board particularly if it leads to nearly falling out with fellow Queen fans. Some debate is good and interesting but there is nothing wrong with sharing the same views at times. |
| brENsKi 17.09.2011 17:01 |
i bet if you were locked in a room alone...within ten minutes you'd start an argument with yourself |
| Over the Field 15.10.2011 07:11 |
Loser In The End is not a bad song at all. I read somewhere long ago that the marimba on the track was played by Freddie and not by Roger. Some Queen fan site stated this with source link. I'll post it if I find it. Btw, It would be logical because keys in the marimba are similar in order when compared to the piano. |
| chaim 15.10.2011 12:21 |
I love it. Always have. Bowie's "Station to station", the first part, reminds me of "Loser in the end". A similar riff. |
| john bodega 15.10.2011 21:31 |
It's like every mediocre Queen track has its own thread where someone asks 'hey why do people hate this', and a couple of dozen people go 'we don't hate it!'. |