Kevinrm15 12.09.2011 21:38 |
For years, I've posted here and there about the need for those of you who possess video and audio boots that are not yet shared to begin sharing them with everyone else. But I haven't made a systematic effort to overcome the inertia of years of hoarding. The time has come for that to change. I know that putting pressure on the so-called "ubers" -- I prefer "hoarders," since the word is more clear -- is sometimes thought to be counterproductive or foolish. I can live with that. I haven't seen much evidence in the past few years that stepping lightly around those who have this stuff makes them more likely to share it. What I have learned is that many Queen fans have some material they are not allowed to share. Some of it is great. Some of it isn't. But all of it should be freely available to everyone who cares. So here's my offer to start things rolling: Anyone who wants to share but doesn't want it known that they're sharing can send things to me, either anonymously or by contacting me directly. ANYTHING I RECEIVE WILL BE FREELY SHARED AS QUICKLY AS I CAN DO IT. I won't tell anyone where the material comes from. I won't listen to those who say it can't be shared for this reason or that. I will simply make sure it is passed along widely and quickly. If you want to lend a hand in undermining the hoarder mentality that keeps great stuff off-limits, send me a copy. You can write to me at []kevinrm15@gmail.com[/] and I will send you my snail mail address. You can always get a one-time email account to contact me and then never use it again, if you want to protect yourself more fully. I don't even have to know who you are. Please contact me, too, if you want to help. Can you upload to QZ? Let me know. Can you make a half dozen copies for a big new vine? Let me know. Can you send out a dozen freebies if I send you a copy? Let me know. This needs to be a community effort to change the way things have been. I have great confidence that some material that hasn't yet seen the light may come forward if we make the effort. So let's try. And go ahead and scoff if you like. The proof here is whether it works. |
jamster1111 12.09.2011 21:48 |
Amen. Time to have those hoarders come out of their hiding places. Queen were to great of a live band to have great recordings that are laying around go to waste. |
The Real Wizard 12.09.2011 23:31 |
Ah, the good ol' hoarding plea... with a twist. Best of luck to you on this one. Regardless of the reason, it always saddens me when a piece of history is swallowed up by the ether. |
john bodega 12.09.2011 23:46 |
My feeling isn't exactly that everyone deserves these things, or is entitled to it - my thinking is that in the interests of keeping this shit preserved, it should really be in as many places as possible. It bothers me that 1 (one) person allegedly has a copy of some Hangman recording. A single copy - I'm sure it's tucked away safely, but if you ask me there isn't a safe enough hidey-hole in all of the world for rare recordings. You cannot beat the universal law of "SHIT HAPPENS". I say this more as a means of screwing Queen Productions, and in the interests of rarities being preserved by way of spreading them out (because once they're out, they'll never be unavailable to anyone), and as an avenue to allowing fresh discussion of said rarities (quite a few people would not be able to yap so freely about old Queen gigs if it weren't for Gregsynth uploading them on Youtube, for instance - it's just another way of putting this stuff to a potentially new audience who might not otherwise be able to get at these recordings). Upload it all, take all you can get; spread this shit like confetti, I say. That's just how I feel. |
Gregsynth 13.09.2011 00:06 |
Zebonka12 wrote: My feeling isn't exactly that everyone deserves these things, or is entitled to it - my thinking is that in the interests of keeping this shit preserved, it should really be in as many places as possible. It bothers me that 1 (one) person allegedly has a copy of some Hangman recording. A single copy - I'm sure it's tucked away safely, but if you ask me there isn't a safe enough hidey-hole in all of the world for rare recordings. You cannot beat the universal law of "SHIT HAPPENS". I say this more as a means of screwing Queen Productions, and in the interests of rarities being preserved by way of spreading them out (because once they're out, they'll never be unavailable to anyone), and as an avenue to allowing fresh discussion of said rarities (quite a few people would not be able to yap so freely about old Queen gigs if it weren't for Gregsynth uploading them on Youtube, for instance - it's just another way of putting this stuff to a potentially new audience who might not otherwise be able to get at these recordings). Upload it all, take all you can get; spread this shit like confetti, I say. That's just how I feel. ============ Gary Taylor has said that the Hangman recording doesn't exist. He confirms that Queen did "play around with the song" during a recording session, but it wasn't recorded. |
The Real Wizard 13.09.2011 00:08 |
Just because the band discarded an acetate in the 70s doesn't mean someone didn't somehow retrieve it. That said, this recording will likely never be liberated, so let's stay on topic here. |
jamster1111 13.09.2011 00:44 |
I think Kevin's mostly talking about live recordings and specially those people who for some bizarre reason are hiding the fact that they have some kind of recording. It's amazing how a lot of them know how much light their recordings would bring to so many people, yet they keep on hoarding them. What's the point of having a recording like that if you just keep it for yourself!?!?! I understand if it's a recording of something personal but hoarding recordings of a band like Queen makes absolutely no sense. Oh well, it can't hurt to keep trying. I thank you kevinrm15 for making this post. No sarcastic or demeaning answers are necessary. |
john bodega 13.09.2011 01:16 |
"Gary Taylor has said that the Hangman recording doesn't exist" Well I did say 'allegedly'. I didn't mean to talk about Hangman specifically - it's just worth noting that there would be rarities out there that only exist in one place, and I personally think that's a bad idea. I will happily say to anyone out there that your safeplace is not safe enough. |
Kevinrm15 13.09.2011 07:13 |
Trust me, you would be surprised of what great stuff is in public hands, there are some people who have stolen or begged to get stuff from Queen's inner circle. There is more Rainbow footage in the hands of the public than what was officially released. There is much more amazing stuff beyond that. Should it all be shared? Yes. Will it all be shared? That's what I'm trying here. Everything will leak out eventually even if it takes 5-10 years to do so. |
Negative Creep 13.09.2011 07:33 |
Sir GH wrote: Just because the band discarded an acetate in the 70s doesn't mean someone didn't somehow retrieve it. They must have been doing well to not only lose the stereo master such an acetate would be produced from, but also any safety copies and the multitracks. They have multiple takes of songs from the first 2 albums, so it's somewhat unlikely they would have erased potentially the only attempt at one song that they often played live (if such a recording ever existed). How does GT know the band messed around with the song during a recording session, but didn't record it though? There'd be no studio records of the band arsing around with a song and then not laying anything down. If any studio recordings exist, it sounds like they are quick live takes, not laboured/overdubbed. |
The Real Wizard 13.09.2011 10:10 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Everything will leak out eventually even if it takes 5-10 years to do so. ==================== Much can leak out, but everything? Is every person with a Queen tape in a dusty box in their basement suddenly going to announce their existence to the world? Even if every known hoarded recording leaked out tomorrow, there would still be dozens of further new tapes that would come out. I admire your tenacity here, but let's be realistic :-) |
Thistle 13.09.2011 11:53 |
I do not like questioning integrity, but these questions have to be asked: (1) how do the "hoarders" who share know that you ARE going to share, and aren't just doing this for a free copy for yourself? (2) How do WE know that you are sharing all you get? Not that I have anything stashed away, I'm just asking how this will work out? |
Kevinrm15 13.09.2011 12:10 |
It goes like this. There are some people who are probably unaware of what they are "hoarding". Once they learn that what they have isn't shared they will want to share it. I'm trying to find a way to get it out there without having a target pinned to their chests. I have a feeling this might work, but I don't know how much. What is in it for the ubers? Nothing really, just good soundboards and pro-shots being freed. If people want to share on their own, it is encouraged. I am friends with the top posters on here such as Bob, Brian and Greg. They know me pretty well and you seem like a pretty cool guy yourself. |
thomasquinn 32989 13.09.2011 12:25 |
This is a very good initiative. In fact, it was an initiative just like this that got us the Houston '77 video, so that's sufficient proof that this can work! |
Thistle 13.09.2011 12:57 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: It goes like this. There are some people who are probably unaware of what they are "hoarding". Once they learn that what they have isn't shared they will want to share it. I'm trying to find a way to get it out there without having a target pinned to their chests. I have a feeling this might work, but I don't know how much. What is in it for the ubers? Nothing really, just good soundboards and pro-shots being freed. If people want to share on their own, it is encouraged. I am friends with the top posters on here such as Bob, Brian and Greg. They know me pretty well and you seem like a pretty cool guy yourself. ============================================================================================= Nice:) Like I say, I have nothing stashed away, but I hope that your campaign is effective! It would be good if the rarities were outed - I can see why some folk would want to keep things to themselves, but at the same time, I agree entirely with this initiative and especially with Zeb's points on the matter. As he says, shit happens, so for preservation's sake... |
Kevinrm15 13.09.2011 13:22 |
Thanks! Even if you don't have any rarities, you may know people who do. Or even if you know someone who knows someone I'd sure like to hear about it! We can potentially get somewhere if we all get the ball rolling! |
GT 13.09.2011 13:28 |
Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? |
Thistle 13.09.2011 13:44 |
GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? ============================================================================================= Yeah, and you work for them :) |
greaserkat 13.09.2011 14:07 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? ============================================================================================= Yeah, and you work for them :) =========================================================================================== This made the mole and rice im eating come out of my nose |
Kevinrm15 13.09.2011 14:22 |
Guys, beating up on Gary will not help this matter. He can't give out this stuff, if he did he'd lose his job. But there are people out there who have uber material that don't work for Queen and would most likely not get bashed for sharing their stuff, that's what we want. |
Eric Taylor 13.09.2011 16:20 |
Friends.... Were's the people from Mexico??? Someday we'll see that complete videos of 81'??? |
brENsKi 13.09.2011 16:31 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: This is a very good initiative. In fact, it was an initiative just like this that got us the Houston '77 video, so that's sufficient proof that this can work! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i can't see it working. if the hoarders effectively make their "jewels" public domain, what have they left to trade? lets do some basic maths: 50 traders all own 40% of the rare stuff. by trading with each other this ensures that all the "rare" stuff can potentially end up in 50 places...thereby ensuring there are 50 "safe" copies. now, consider that 10 of them share what they have...those people who acquire new queen stuff will now assume that the whole queen trader environment is sharing everything...thereby making their "leaks" less valuable. the end result? initially we'll have a glut of stuff hitting the public domain...and some people will cum in their pants...but after the initial euphoria wears off things will be worse than ever...... the one or two people who find new stuff will trust no-one, and nothing will leak |
Hangman_96 13.09.2011 16:43 |
I'm seconding the idea of the starter of the topic. It would be really great, wouldn't it? Seeing new Queen recordings is a great thing. But will it actually be working? |
Gregsynth 13.09.2011 16:44 |
I've never even understood why people hoard stuff in the first place. It's not like they OWN Queen's music in the first place. It's one thing to not share something, but it's a different thing when people "brag" about rarities, then won't share them (the carrot dangling thing). My philosophy is "put up or shut up," or "if you don't want to share it--don't mention it." That's probably one of my few pet peeves I have. I've got over 400 Elton John concerts in my itunes (audience recordings, soundboards, radio broadcasts), and I never hoard those: Everybody deserves to hear music (which is one of the reasons why I created channels like "Gregsynthbootlegs" and "GregsynthWizard"). Not everybody has access to torrents, internet, etc. I've sent stuff via mediafire, email, even postage mail (because one of my subscribers didn't have internet and wanted to hear Elton and Queen stuff). I never put boundaries on what I trade/post/share, etc. Like what Zebonka wrote several posts back, if I didn't post stuff on Youtube--nobody would even know about this stuff. |
Thistle 13.09.2011 16:46 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Guys, beating up on Gary will not help this matter. He can't give out this stuff, if he did he'd lose his job. But there are people out there who have uber material that don't work for Queen and would most likely not get bashed for sharing their stuff, that's what we want. ============================================================================================= LOL, I was just kidding - couldn't resist. I'm sure Gary knows I wasn't bashing him :) |
jamster1111 13.09.2011 17:47 |
brENsKi wrote: ThomasQuinn wrote: This is a very good initiative. In fact, it was an initiative just like this that got us the Houston '77 video, so that's sufficient proof that this can work! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i can't see it working. if the hoarders effectively make their "jewels" public domain, what have they left to trade? lets do some basic maths: 50 traders all own 40% of the rare stuff. by trading with each other this ensures that all the "rare" stuff can potentially end up in 50 places...thereby ensuring there are 50 "safe" copies. now, consider that 10 of them share what they have...those people who acquire new queen stuff will now assume that the whole queen trader environment is sharing everything...thereby making their "leaks" less valuable. the end result? initially we'll have a glut of stuff hitting the public domain...and some people will cum in their pants...but after the initial euphoria wears off things will be worse than ever...... the one or two people who find new stuff will trust no-one, and nothing will leak A lot of these hoarders we are talking about aren't even willing to trade their stuff. They just keep it hidden in their personal archives and it's one of two things: 1. They have no idea that these recordings are important and that a lot of people would highly benefit from hearing them 2. They know this but for some strange reason think it's ok to hoard them. |
inu-liger 13.09.2011 17:48 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote:That wasn't very nice!GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here?Yeah, and you work for them :) |
bigV 13.09.2011 17:54 |
inu-liger wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? Yeah, and you work for them :) That wasn't very nice! Not nice, but true nonetheless. Imagine if they made their live archive public. It wouldn't be of interest to the record-buying public, but it would be a huge deal for us. Just... imagine. V. |
Kevinrm15 13.09.2011 18:22 |
V, I made that topic along time ago, it would be cool, but it will probably never happen.. |
Thistle 13.09.2011 18:35 |
inu-liger wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? Yeah, and you work for them :) That wasn't very nice! ============================================================================================= I was joking with him..... 'tis true, though, but I wasn't being bitchy about it. It was tongue-in-cheek, knowing how a lot of Qzoners think he and GB are responsible for what is actually released. |
The Real Wizard 13.09.2011 21:03 |
GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? ========== Of course, plenty of them. |
jamster1111 13.09.2011 23:26 |
Sir GH wrote: GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? ========== Of course, plenty of them. Interesting. Very interesting. And what's the point of keeping this a secret, may I ask? 2 |
jamster1111 13.09.2011 23:26 |
jamster1111 wrote: Sir GH wrote: GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? ========== Of course, plenty of them. Interesting. Very interesting. And what's the point of keeping this a secret, may I ask? |
little foetus 14.09.2011 03:40 |
This kind of "no more hoarding" topic is quite recurrent. I don't know since when you're collecting but sooner or later, things are shared. Several years ago, many things like the complete video of Houston, Drammen 82, both Milwaukee 75 and 76 were hoarded and they ended being shared. You also have to remember that not so long ago, it was really painful to get Queen recordings in lossless form. Much of what was circulating was in badly encoded mp3 format and many shows in lossless form were simply very hard to find too. It was the time when I was scouring millions of websites to look for uncirculating lossless recordings and it is not so long ago (2003, 2004?) I think we got a structured community under the leadership of some people here these last years which didn't exist before. I'm collecting Nirvana stuff too and several years ago, Nirvana collectors were much more organized than Queen collectors but now I think that Queen community organization has much improved. We had a lot of great stuff these last years with major surfacing. We just have to search and wait for new material. Sooner or later, things surfaced. |
sexmachine 14.09.2011 09:30 |
there is a super easy way to get a rare recording from a hoarder an share it here. try to find, organise, trade,record or buy an equally rare recording. trade it with the hoarder for his rare recording. brake the "please don't copy" promise, if there is any. share both recordings on qz. become a hero for a day. |
bryony 14.09.2011 11:05 |
Sir GH wrote: Ah, the good ol' hoarding plea... with a twist. Best of luck to you on this one. Regardless of the reason, it always saddens me when a piece of history is swallowed up by the ether. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aww Come On ! Seriously ?????? |
jamster1111 14.09.2011 11:40 |
sexmachine wrote: there is a super easy way to get a rare recording from a hoarder an share it here. try to find, organise, trade,record or buy an equally rare recording. trade it with the hoarder for his rare recording. brake the "please don't copy" promise, if there is any. share both recordings on qz. become a hero for a day. And how am I supposed to find these hoarders? |
The Real Wizard 14.09.2011 11:57 |
Networking. |
brENsKi 14.09.2011 13:16 |
they'd have to run ipconfig in a cmd box under windows 7 |
brians wig 30.09.2011 18:02 |
sexmachine wrote: there is a super easy way to get a rare recording from a hoarder an share it here. try to find, organise, trade,record or buy an equally rare recording. trade it with the hoarder for his rare recording. brake the "please don't copy" promise, if there is any. share both recordings on qz. become a hero for a day. ========================================================= Go on then. How much for an unreleased 1974 Queen audio in exceptionally good quality? |
people on streets 30.09.2011 20:32 |
GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? ____________________________________________ Are you saying YOU aren't one of them? If so, I know which Brian May audience video to share next. Hypocrite. |
MERQRY 30.09.2011 22:41 |
people on streets wrote: GT wrote: Does anybody know who is hoarding live recordings of shows? Anybody on here? ____________________________________________ Are you saying YOU aren't one of them? If so, I know which Brian May audience video to share next. Hypocrite. -------- I think he can't share nothing from QP archives... it would be illegal (and very stupid of his part) |
people on streets 01.10.2011 06:34 |
I'm not talking about the Queen archives. |
Gregsynth 01.10.2011 16:18 |
Gary doesn't have personal recordings of Queen. I know this because we discussed bootlegs at the Queen convention. |
A Word In Your Ear 01.10.2011 17:48 |
brians wig wrote: Go on then. How much for an unreleased 1974 Queen audio in exceptionally good quality? ========================================================================================= Ok How, about 2 bags of Chips & a Yorkshire Fish Cake!!!! |
people on streets 01.10.2011 18:01 |
Gregsynth wrote: Gary doesn't have personal recordings of Queen. I know this because we discussed bootlegs at the Queen convention. _________________________ Ask him about his Queen solo collection next convention :-) |
Gregsynth 01.10.2011 18:21 |
people on streets wrote: Gregsynth wrote: Gary doesn't have personal recordings of Queen. I know this because we discussed bootlegs at the Queen convention. _________________________ Ask him about his Queen solo collection next convention :-) ========= I will! haha |
GT 21.10.2011 22:36 |
So has this topic reached anyone who has some of these bootlegs that are unheard and unreleased? And there are more out there. If you don't want to add anything on this forum you can get in touch with me privately by email at garytaylortqy@aol.com Would be good to hear from you - Thanks. |