| Doga 06.09.2011 09:24 |
I remember in the past, Queenzone was a very interesting place to talk and learn about this great group, but now this site have a lot of nonsense talks and is full of trolls, is depressing. |
| Mercuryking 06.09.2011 09:54 |
yeah i agree, too many mindless trolls here |
| Micrówave 06.09.2011 10:17 |
It's not trolls. Here's the deal. When you have a world wide forum, people like to discuss things. The more fired up you get 'em, the more response you'll get. Treasure Moment is a classic example of this. Those guys were not complete morons, they knew and still know that their music was a joke... just some dudes having a good time. But now you go on Queenzone and compare yourself to Queen, even say you're better. Is there any better way to get members to view your material? Who are the real bozos? (1) The ones that actually listened to their music and made multiple posts about them. or (2) The ones who made crappy music and was able to get people from all over the world to view it without paying a dime to promote it It's the same story in Sports, Entertainment, etc. Why do you think reality TV is so popular? So, to the thread starter, we're having a discussion about something that really has no bearable effects on everyone's day to day life... but you got people talking about it. So if Queenzone gets rid of the "trolls" it has to, by definition, get rid of every Queenzoner that posts on the forums. And you all wonder why there's no moderation here? Bingo. Well done, Richard, for not ever considering it, even though everyone "claims" they want it. |
| Thistle 06.09.2011 10:36 |
I'm not sure I agree completely with that assessment, Microwave. You have a valid point with what you say about Treasure Moment/Tranqvillia, as they have just easily got people to listen to their "music". But that's all they've done...they haven't "promoted" it, or won any fans, so it hasn't really done their life much good. I mean, it's good to know that folk listened, but it's not good to know that everyone hated it. And it's not just them I think flu was referring to....there's Anton, who doesn't actually want discussion, but just to fight, and there's Jake and Niphtee and the like. Definite trolls, definite problem. And there is moderation, to an extent - although the programme cannot allow the moderators to completely wipe out IP addresses, they do keep an eye on what's going on....just look at how many times our Russian compadre has been booted out. Yes, he comes back, but he keeps getting booted, because he's abusive. Take you, for example - you can often be antagonising, and you know you're doing it. And there's no way you can say you're just trying to get the debate "fired" up, because it's often not anything constructive you have to say. But, to give you your dues, you are never abusive (well, not that I have seen anyway). In a way, that's trolling: but because you're not abusive, and also weigh in (from time to time) with points constructive to a debate, you are safe from the boot. But if I, or anyone else, ever felt otherwise, we could easily get rid of you (not that I'd want to, but just for talking sake). That's moderation. |
| rhyeking 06.09.2011 11:40 |
There are always people out there who post on forums just to get a reaction, usually an angry one. That's what a troll is (short for "troller," as in trolling the bottom of a lake, not to be confused with the evil, ugly creatures who live under bridges [though the resemblance may be uncanny]). Queenzone is still full of quality discussions, but we take the good with the bad. There are no moderators here, so we can pretty much say what we think. The price of that freedom is allowing the less-educated, less-reasonable and/or generally obnoxious to have a voice too. I think it's a better system than us all having to watch what we say. As for the current quality of topics, well, there's only so much to be discussed before something new comes along. If QZ started as a place to learn about Queen, I'd say it's evolved into more of a place where that knowledge is refined. A new fan may be better advised to brush up on their knowledge of who the band members are and when they recorded everything before posting, since it seems the discussion has advanced well-past that stage here. It's not to say we don't care to listen to newcomers, it's that after many years, what they bring to the table may not be new to us anymore. Anyway, trolls are a fact of life on the internet. Just try to ignore them. |
| Thistle 06.09.2011 11:50 |
rhyeking wrote: There are no moderators here, so we can pretty much say what we think. ============================================================================================ Not quite - just look at Anton. He will never learn. There are moderators here, but I think they only concern themselves with the abusive posters. Anything else can be easily ignored. |
| Micrówave 06.09.2011 12:10 |
But if I, or anyone else, ever felt otherwise, we could easily get rid of you (not that I'd want to, but just for talking sake). That's moderation.Actually, that abuse. What you just said. (just for arguments sake.. I appreciate your comments) So now, you have it out there that if (FOR ANY REASON) you want to "get rid" of someone, you could. How is that a more ethical behaviour then someone coming on here and saying Inu-liger is a jerk and his opinions are invalid. (no offense to Inu-liger, just using an example) If you (or Barb, Sir GH, or the other strong-armers here believe your Quote above, you have no reason for believing you are in a position to do something about it... what you call Moderation.) We're seeing a pretty graphic and "real life" interpretation of that going on in Libya right now. Ghaddafi feels that his beliefs and his system of running things is superior to anyone who disagrees. And he uses the same verbiage !!! |
| Thistle 06.09.2011 12:48 |
Micrówave wrote: But if I, or anyone else, ever felt otherwise, we could easily get rid of you (not that I'd want to, but just for talking sake). That's moderation. Actually, that abuse. What you just said. (just for arguments sake.. I appreciate your comments) So now, you have it out there that if (FOR ANY REASON) you want to "get rid" of someone, you could. How is that a more ethical behaviour then someone coming on here and saying Inu-liger is a jerk and his opinions are invalid. (no offense to Inu-liger, just using an example) If you (or Barb, Sir GH, or the other strong-armers here believe your Quote above, you have no reason for believing you are in a position to do something about it... what you call Moderation.) We're seeing a pretty graphic and "real life" interpretation of that going on in Libya right now. Ghaddafi feels that his beliefs and his system of running things is superior to anyone who disagrees. And he uses the same verbiage !!! ============================================================================================= Having only highlighted the part of my post that you feel relevant, you have actually taken the comment out of context. Whether or not you have done this by mistake, to put me in a bad light, or to aggravate me, I don't know - but I shall respond by saying this: No, what I said is NOT abuse. In the correct context, I actually said that you are not abusive, and so are safe from being booted. Then the section you have quoted kicks in, where I said if I feel otherwise, I could get you removed. That's IF you were abusive....not "FOR ANY REASON", as you have wrongly stated. At no point did I abuse you! Having then confused (or tried to mix) what is fact (i.e abuse will lead to an account being banned, whether that's me, you or "Joe Queen fan") for what is going on in Libya, and then trying to compare me to Gadhaffi, you are now going off on a tangent which is completely irrelevant to the conversation which ACTUALLY took place. Whether you did it by just taking my comments the wrong way, or whether this was another example of your trolling, I am neither offended or riled. However, it could be percieved that making me out to be some sort of Gadhaffi is abuse....not that I care, I'm just saying :) |
| Micrówave 06.09.2011 13:08 |
Thistleboy, I meant no offense... I was generalizing your statement.... that's why I made note in parenthesis. I actually DO find your entire post relevant. And of course I wasn't comparing you to Ghadaffi. But you're solidifying my point, thanks. How we perceive one's post is different from each individual. Case in point, I pissed you off but didn't mean to. I expect that post may offend Inu-liger as well. But that was not my intent. However, you could also say it was my intent and I'm a troll. Also, what you may find abusive is not going to be the same as everyone on here. I can call you a Shwacklehammer and you can either (1) look at your computer cockeyed and wonder why or (2) get mad and think up a better insult. I'm thinking you're going to go with #1 and move on, as most people would. But not everyone on here would. So again, if you get rid of the trolls... then you have to get rid of everyone. |
| Micrówave 06.09.2011 13:16 |
But for the record, and I will only say this one time ever, I really don't have a problem with anyone here on Queenzone. I find humor in some that get ruffled by what I may say, and how they act like they speak for the entire World community when there's only about 30 people on here. I actually dig a lot of your posts. But I did find humor in the fact that SIR GH roasted me for doing the EXACT same thing you did on the Kind Of Magic Signed LP thread... question legitimacy. Maybe Queenzone just needs a blanket dose of Prozac. |
| mooghead 06.09.2011 13:29 |
I don't think Queenzone is full of trolls at all, there are a few disillusioned idiots but they are harmless enough. Compared to some message boards I frequent this website is whiter than white. |
| jamster1111 06.09.2011 14:17 |
There aren't trolls. It's just some people (you know who you are) are just total assholes. If someone asks a stupid question on serious discussion, so what? If someone requests something that is totally unrealistic, so what? People get to hyped up over things on this forum and don't know how to talk nicely to others. Going back to the first thing we learned in elementary school... RESPECT |
| The Real Wizard 06.09.2011 14:33 |
It is trolling when someone's purpose is purely to create conflict with others. In the real world, these people are expelled from schools and fired from jobs. There needs to be some kind of quality control to maintain civility at a forum. It is not attractive to new users when the trolls are allowed to run the place. Some people can't resist responding to trolls, which is unfortunate. But people who want a decent place for civil discourse shouldn't have to pay the price for that. |
| lazydeath 06.09.2011 14:48 |
Didn't You tired of discussing my holy person? Enough grab me by the balls |
| mooghead 06.09.2011 16:01 |
^ That for example is an example of an 'asshole' but he aint a troll. |
| Thistle 06.09.2011 16:15 |
Micrówave wrote: Thistleboy, I meant no offense... I was generalizing your statement.... that's why I made note in parenthesis. I actually DO find your entire post relevant. And of course I wasn't comparing you to Ghadaffi. But you're solidifying my point, thanks. How we perceive one's post is different from each individual. Case in point, I pissed you off but didn't mean to. I expect that post may offend Inu-liger as well. But that was not my intent. However, you could also say it was my intent and I'm a troll. Also, what you may find abusive is not going to be the same as everyone on here. I can call you a Shwacklehammer and you can either (1) look at your computer cockeyed and wonder why or (2) get mad and think up a better insult. I'm thinking you're going to go with #1 and move on, as most people would. But not everyone on here would. So again, if you get rid of the trolls... then you have to get rid of everyone. ============================================================================================= I figured, but it is fun to get to the nitty-gritty lol. Respect, my friend :) |
| david (galashiels) 06.09.2011 16:37 |
in this day and age,are you allowed to remove someone just for making comments?. would that be classed as censorship, i understand if the comments are rude or even threatining then whoever owns the site should remove the persons account. but as many on here simply ignore the troll or trollers surley they do no harm. i have myself have posted comments on here,then next day thought.what the hell were you doing david lol. i know that some posted comments are there to antagonise others and get a reaction that they want(sort of lets get them infighting). but in the end the internet is a free speach community(some bad i know),but thats life. so let the trolls troll???ignore them they will get bored. by the way,is a troller someone who likes fishing for comments?. |
| Micrówave 06.09.2011 17:08 |
And here's where it gets tricky.
Sir GH wrote: It is trolling when someone's purpose is purely to create conflict with others.On several occaisions, Sir GH has invited himself in on things that have no bearing on him. Case in point? The QUEEN LASERDISC thread in the collector's forum. Somebody had a mystery laserdisc and people were wondering what was on it. I joked "Hangman, Studio Version". To which Kurgan 100 replied that he thought my point was useless. To which I retorted the same sentiment back.... (right back at ya, kid). Harmless rhetoric. But now Sir GH, out of the blue, posts: Clearly kurgan is, because the person in question simply missed the above post. A forum is a place where one may help another. You are just being a right twat, no more than usual. Your parents must be proud that their kid became an online bully. Keep on trolling..So has Sir GH just defined himself as a TROLL? I'm sure he won't have a good answer to this question, but again, it's is quite humorous to me. He's like one of those preachers who gets caught with his pants down. Don't get rid of trolls, they provide too much entertainment. |
| Micrówave 06.09.2011 17:10 |
Of course, if the purpose of Sir GH's post was to help things and I totally misunderstood it, then I should be reprimanded. A good 'ol fashioned fourth grade name calling session is healthy every once in a while. Regardless, I hope that doesn't make Bob think I don't like him or find his Queen and related posts quite a waste of time... actually it's the opposite. But if he'd like to step in now and simply call me a twat again, I would actually get a chuckle from that, too. |
| Gregsynth 06.09.2011 17:53 |
I troll the forum by posting nonsensical topics about the "best versions of songs." :) |
| Thistle 06.09.2011 18:10 |
Gregsynth wrote: I troll the forum by posting nonsensical topics about the "best versions of songs." :) ============================================================================================= this is true, you're one of the biggest trolls on the forum :).......in fact, you've just given me an idea for a new thread on the personal section. |
| Gregsynth 06.09.2011 18:12 |
Oh great! haha |
| alaynasusan 06.09.2011 20:30 |
This has been a very informative thread. I only stop on here if my Queen News Update email shows a popular topic I want to peek at. So when this popped up I thought, "What's a troll?" I believe my question has been answered. Thank you all for the enlightenment. |
| The Real Wizard 06.09.2011 20:54 |
Micrówave wrote: But if he'd like to step in now and simply call me a twat again, I would actually get a chuckle from that, too. =============== Ok, here it comes. Wait for it .. wait for it ....... Twat! Always a pleasure, Microwave. |
| Thistle 06.09.2011 21:22 |
Sir GH wrote: Ok, here it comes. Wait for it .. wait for it ....... Twat! Always a pleasure, Microwave. ============================================================================================= hehehehehe ROFL ......you guys really cheer me up :) |
| Sheer Brass Neck 06.09.2011 22:08 |
What's the deal between Microwave and Sir GH? Apart from Microwave's sometimes alarmingly bad choices in music (Bad Company???), gun control, and his mistaken belief that Steve Lukather is more influential than Brain May, he seems like a pretty good and funny dude. And Sir GH is super knowledgeable, and also a pretty good dude as he's Canadian and we're all super awesome. Odd how things flare up with people who have never, and will probably never meet. I had a running battle with Adam Baboolal for a while because I called MIH manipulative and contrived and he didn't like it so we barked at each other in posts for a while. Well, he barked at me, I barked back ;) He probably doesn't remember it, but he's a good member of the board and knows his shit when it comes to sound. |
| The Real Wizard 06.09.2011 23:08 |
It's all in good fun. I can only feel sorry for anyone who actually hates someone they've only "met" through text. |
| jamster1111 07.09.2011 00:18 |
Yeah, what is the problem with microwave? -- He burnt my pizza the other day! |
| tcc 07.09.2011 02:15 |
There is a lot of reconciliation of old flames here (sob). |
| john bodega 07.09.2011 06:34 |
I missed the part where being a troll was a bad thing. Some of the funniest crap I've ever seen on this forum was as a result of people messing with each other's heads. The Sunbury thread? Everything Greg Brooks has ever posted? Treasure Moment?? Man, if you want a forum without that, maybe you'd be better off posting at a programming forum or something. This place is a goldmine, and if you can't take the good with the bad then you should've fucked off a long time ago. |
| Hangman_96 07.09.2011 08:34 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I missed the part where being a troll was a bad thing. Some of the funniest crap I've ever seen on this forum was as a result of people messing with each other's heads. The Sunbury thread? Everything Greg Brooks has ever posted? Treasure Moment?? Man, if you want a forum without that, maybe you'd be better off posting at a programming forum or something. This place is a goldmine, and if you can't take the good with the bad then you should've fucked off a long time ago. ==================================== Right! |
| Micrówave 07.09.2011 10:07 |
I've been TWATTED. |
| Micrówave 07.09.2011 10:08 |
jamster1111 wrote: Yeah, what is the problem with microwave? -- He burnt my pizza the other day! That's REVENGE for pulling the "popcorn trick" on me. |
| brENsKi 07.09.2011 13:04 |
yeah i agree....place is full of em...and it's really irritating....woudl anyone be interested in viewing my ebay queen listing? ;-) |
| matt z 07.09.2011 18:42 |
I dutifully doubly decree that thou haveth commitedeth the same such sinneteth and have posted in the wrong forum. (at risk of being deleted) this is a Queen - (subtopic) GENERAL DISCUSSION page. not a page for a personal agenda. Get with it, this isn't a WHINERY. that said... i don't know what a troll is. If its like that Treasure troll band er whatever, thankfully i never looked up their page despite the repeat postings about it. Aside from all that, i find the bickering to be entertaining and full of laughter most of the time. It prolongs your life, so laugh. |
| inu-liger 08.09.2011 06:18 |
Micrówave wrote: So now, you have it out there that if (FOR ANY REASON) you want to "get rid" of someone, you could. How is that a more ethical behaviour then someone coming on here and saying Inu-liger is a jerk and his opinions are invalid. (no offense to Inu-liger, just using an example)None taken :-) |