QueenZone discussion #1282944
Autotune in White queen hammersmith 1975 Remaster
| Ianandres 15.08.2011 15:10 |
listen the track. I created a matrix with the official remaster, and other source of snow.producciones i think. Demostrates the autotune in the track himself. Sorry for my english. I'm chilean |
| jamster1111 15.08.2011 15:45 |
Interesting... In which points do you think in the remaster did they use autotune? Timestamps? Because I think you're on to something here... |
| inu-liger 15.08.2011 16:24 |
This doesn't surprise me. Brian and QPL just don't get it, people don't want these fixes being put into place. It's one thing to update the drum sound and bring everything up to contemporary shape, but auto-tuning and overdubbing on previously released material is just plain wrong! |
| The Real Wizard 15.08.2011 17:38 |
:45 is the most obvious one. Excellent work. It's completely unnecessary to autotune Freddie Mercury. He was a master vocalist and musician, but he was also a human being. No human being can sing 100% in pitch 100% of the time. Live concerts are supposed to have flaws. It's too bad that some people just don't get that. |
| Gregsynth 15.08.2011 19:36 |
Hmmm, it sounds really "phased" (that part at 45 seconds)! That doesn't sound right. That's some REALLY phased auto tune (you can actually hear TWO FREDDIES--the off pitch one, and the corrected one). If they wanted to "touch up" the pitch, why couldn't they simply NOT use autotune, and simply just fix the pitch without a program? Look at Montreal and Live At The Bowl: There's some pitch correction on those releases, but they didn't use autotune, and Freddie still sounded "natural." |
| Fireplace 15.08.2011 19:44 |
Actually what I hear sounds more like a chorus or doubling effect as if the processed signal is doubling the original, which is just as unnecessary for the likes of FM. I work with Autotune and other pitch correction tools, and they can do a lot better than this. |
| Gregsynth 15.08.2011 19:47 |
Yeah, I'm with you on this: It's either really bad use of autotune, or a chorus/phase effect. That part at 45 seconds is not cool! |
| MERQRY 15.08.2011 20:56 |
I don't know if i undertand well but this file that you shared here has nothing to do with the remaster one wich is on the Bonus EP! this file has an awful pitch and some awful echoes (or chorus) than the remaster version doesn't has. |
| GratefulFan 15.08.2011 22:20 |
I think the original poster may be describing superimposing the two tracks to highlight the changes, thus explaining the echo/two Freddies? Maybe? |
| jamster1111 15.08.2011 22:45 |
inu-liger wrote: This doesn't surprise me. Brian and QPL just don't get it, people don't want these fixes being put into place. It's one thing to update the drum sound and bring everything up to contemporary shape, but auto-tuning and overdubbing on previously released material is just plain wrong! Actually a lot of the recordings benefit from these kind of fixes. The kind of fixes most people don't like are stupid edits like cuts in songs and stuff like that. This Hammersmith '75 recording benefited a lot from these simple pitch corrections and another gig that would highly benefit from this kind of treatment is Hyde Park. They've already fixed up Ogre Battle and it sounds great. |
| The Real Wizard 15.08.2011 22:45 |
Precisely. Give her two stars ! |
| The Real Wizard 15.08.2011 22:47 |
jamster1111 wrote: They've already fixed up Ogre Battle and it sounds great. =================== But not like this. They just did some basic mixing and maybe EQing ... no autotune or anything drastic. It may sound like it, but that just goes to show how bad the generated video feed sounds. |
| jamster1111 15.08.2011 22:48 |
Gregsynth wrote: Hmmm, it sounds really "phased" (that part at 45 seconds)! That doesn't sound right. That's some REALLY phased auto tune (you can actually hear TWO FREDDIES--the off pitch one, and the corrected one). If they wanted to "touch up" the pitch, why couldn't they simply NOT use autotune, and simply just fix the pitch without a program? Look at Montreal and Live At The Bowl: There's some pitch correction on those releases, but they didn't use autotune, and Freddie still sounded "natural." I think they used the same type of program for this as they did on Rock Montreal and Live at the Bowl. And to me, Freddie still sounds natural here. |
| jamster1111 15.08.2011 22:50 |
Sir GH wrote: jamster1111 wrote: They've already fixed up Ogre Battle and it sounds great. =================== But not like this. They just did some basic mixing and maybe EQing ... no autotune or anything drastic. It may sound like it, but that just goes to show how bad the generated video feed sounds. On the DOOL documentary it sounds like they removed the vocal crack on the screams at the beginning of Ogre Battle right before the first verse yet Freddie is still singing so it sounds like some pitch correcting thing. I don't think they've ever used autotune though. Even for the newly remastered Hammersmith '75 tracks it sounds more like some pitch correcting program. |
| The Real Wizard 15.08.2011 22:51 |
jamster1111 wrote: On the DOOL documentary it sounds like they removed the vocal crack on the screams at the beginning of Ogre Battle right before the first verse yet Freddie is still singing so it sounds like some pitch correcting thing. =================== You can't fix a voice crack with pitch correction. They probably just copied/pasted from another scream a second or two later. |
| sokerplair 15.08.2011 22:53 |
i was just just discissuing this to a person on youtube about 39 live at earls court... link the time stamps are there on the comments .... just a little bit of auto tune but its there and it really isnt necessary |
| jamster1111 16.08.2011 00:08 |
Sir GH wrote: jamster1111 wrote: On the DOOL documentary it sounds like they removed the vocal crack on the screams at the beginning of Ogre Battle right before the first verse yet Freddie is still singing so it sounds like some pitch correcting thing. =================== You can't fix a voice crack with pitch correction. They probably just copied/pasted from another scream a second or two later. You're probably right. Or they took it from one later in the song. If this is the case, how do you think they fixed his "never been born at all" from Hammersmith '75's BoRhap on the BBC broadcast? It's different. |
| The Real Wizard 16.08.2011 00:50 |
They probably took it from Hyde Park, or some other show from the period. With multi-tracks, just about anything is possible. |
| jamster1111 16.08.2011 01:02 |
Sir GH wrote: They probably took it from Hyde Park, or some other show from the period. With multi-tracks, just about anything is possible. Which other shows from the period do you think are possibilities besides Hyde Park and Earls Court? |
| The Real Wizard 16.08.2011 01:53 |
None that we know of. Only the band and those close to the band can know for sure if there's anything else. |
| Holly2003 16.08.2011 03:17 |
So if and when these early gigs are released on DVD can we expect to see Fred with a CGI moustache and Brian with a CGI "Save the Badger" t-shirt? |
| cmsdrums 16.08.2011 06:31 |
it baffles me how they go to the fine detail of 'correcting' something like that, yet leave the Budapest official VHS release untouched where a vocal line on 'One Vision' has Freddie and Roger singing diferent lines - one is singing "one solution", the other is singing "one direction", and the end result is "one dilution" !!!! |
| Riggleman81 16.08.2011 08:11 |
Eeek, that sounded rough. Oh, and uhh....first post! |
| MercuryArts 16.08.2011 11:29 |
jamster1111 wrote: Sir GH wrote: jamster1111 wrote: On the DOOL documentary it sounds like they removed the vocal crack on the screams at the beginning of Ogre Battle right before the first verse yet Freddie is still singing so it sounds like some pitch correcting thing. =================== You can't fix a voice crack with pitch correction. They probably just copied/pasted from another scream a second or two later. You're probably right. Or they took it from one later in the song. If this is the case, how do you think they fixed his "never been born at all" from Hammersmith '75's BoRhap on the BBC broadcast? It's different. =================== I just watched this on YT. I also noticed that they edited out Roger's little yelp shortly after vocal interlude. Its at the 2:15 mark. I have had a VHS copy of this concert for almost 20 years & I loved that litte scream he put in. He can been seen mouthing it but there no sound from Roger. |
| on my way up 16.08.2011 14:01 |
Boy, this is stupid! Why the hell do they that? It's totally unnecessary! |
| Dane 17.08.2011 07:19 |
cmsdrums wrote: it baffles me how they go to the fine detail of 'correcting' something like that, yet leave the Budapest official VHS release untouched where a vocal line on 'One Vision' has Freddie and Roger singing diferent lines - one is singing "one solution", the other is singing "one direction", and the end result is "one dilution" !!!! ______________________________________________________________________ Hahahah!! thats even worst than 'ONE SOLECTION!' But seriously, they don't get it. Even George Lucas released the Star Wars Trilogy on BluRay in it's original state alongside the 'special edition'. And to add to the comment that no one can sing 100% in tune all of the time... I've been listening to most of Elvis Presley's recordings for over 25 years and I have yet to find him unintentionally sing out of key, studio AND live recordings! |
| The Real Wizard 17.08.2011 09:58 |
Well, there's a good reason why they called him the king ! |
| Holly2003 17.08.2011 18:03 |
Sir GH wrote: Well, there's a good reason why they called him the king ! burger? |
| GratefulFan 17.08.2011 18:09 |
Ha! |
| Ianandres 25.08.2011 16:01 |
For those who asking is this already a matrix for three sources. There is a lot of edits, even on the guitar solo. did you notice? |