MadTheSwine73 08.08.2011 22:24 |
Was it ever performed live? According to queenlive.ca, it wasn't, but according to ultimatequeen.co.uk, it was. Any help? |
MERQRY 08.08.2011 23:49 |
The Fairy feller's master stroke WAS NOT performed live... i belive cause it's a very complex song to played live and would be almost impossible play it with only 4 persons... |
dysan 09.08.2011 04:26 |
It isn't complicated at all! My thinking is in those early days, for the band to have rehearsed up songs as tight as that they would've been playing it for a while, it must've had a trip out of the house at somepoint in whatever form. Alas, I guess we'll never hear it. |
Holly2003 09.08.2011 04:36 |
dysan wrote: It isn't complicated at all! My thinking is in those early days, for the band to have rehearsed up songs as tight as that they would've been playing it for a while, it must've had a trip out of the house at somepoint in whatever form. Alas, I guess we'll never hear it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the record Fred's vocals overlap, which is something he would have a have time replicating on stage. |
Mr Mercury 09.08.2011 04:45 |
Replicating Freddie's overlapping vocals on stage would have been easy by having Brian or Roger stepping up to the plate and singing those parts. |
Your Fairy King 09.08.2011 05:44 |
replicating difficult recordings live on stage never stopped Queen. |
Holly2003 09.08.2011 05:57 |
Brian and Roger are much weaker singers than Fred and on stage they usually sound pretty crap in comparison to him e.g. Brian's singing on One Vision during the Magic Tour. Why do you think Fred did all the live vocals on WWTLForever? Besides, can you imagine Roger trying to sing the lyrics to Masterstroke lol! Can you imagine him trying to replicate Fred's phrasing! What a hoot. As for difficult songs live, Queen never really tried to replicate them: instead they adjusted them for a live sitiation. It would've been hard to do that with Masterstroke given the overlapping vocals. Not impossible: difficult. So why bother when other songs are much more suited to a live performance. Fred would've had to push hard for it to happen and I would guess he realised the difficulties involved. |
GT 09.08.2011 08:17 |
In at least one concert in 1978 Freddie said that he thought 'It's Late' was a great song but a fucker to sing live. Somehow I think 'Fairy Fellers' would of been even more difficult to perform live, so why bother. It was never deemed to be a live song, but a pure studio creation. They couldn't of done it without the harpsichord anyway, let alone get away with the vocals - so no it was never performed live as far as we know. |
Sebastian 09.08.2011 11:05 |
>>> They couldn't of done it without the harpsichord anyway Of course they could've ... it's called re-arranging the song. That's why, live, they did: * Love of My Life without piano. * Play the Game without synths (in 1980-1981). * Who Wants to Live Forever without orchestra. * Somebody to Love with only three (four?) voices. * Sheer Heart Attack without Roger playing everything. * Killer Queen without windchimes or jangle piano. * Leroy Brown without woodblocks, castanets or jangle piano. * FOTW, DSMN, SSOR and Teo Torriatte without tambourine. * Teo Torriatte without harmonium or e-piano. * White Queen without acoustic guitar(s). * Liar without acoustic guitar and organ. * Best Friend without e-piano. * Etc, etc, etc. So ... they COULD HAVE done TFFMS (or any other song from their catalogue) live, by adapting it on-stage (in this case, having piano, bass, drums, guitar and some overlapping lines cut or done by Roger). They probably decided not to bother anyway, but that's a different matter. 'They chose not to' is NOT the same as 'they couldn't.' |
joesilvey 09.08.2011 11:16 |
also, Keep Yourself Alive had overlapping vocal lines in the verse that Freddie sang straight through when they performed it live. honestly, i'm amazed at some of the ones they DID play live (It's A Hard Life, Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon) even if just a few times on a single tour, and even if the recordings we have don't put them in great light. overall, Queen were a ballsy band when it came to their live shows... |
brENsKi 09.08.2011 12:41 |
and with other "furiously paced songs" there is another approach...one they used for "leroy brown" vut out most of the singing....maybe just sing the intro...play an instrumental version and sing the last last twenty seconds of the song....as part of the usual medley they did live my guess is....they didn't want to do it |
MadTheSwine73 09.08.2011 21:42 |
Thanks for all the replies guys, but no one actually answered the question. Was it performed live, yes or no? One source says yes, one says no (it doesn't actually say no, it just never mentioned that it was performed). Can anyone give me a definitave yes or no, please? (not trying to sound like an arse) |
Sebastian 09.08.2011 22:02 |
> Can anyone give me a definitave yes or no, please? (not trying to sound like an arse) No, unless we lie. The thing is ... theoretically, Queen could've tried it out at one gig that didn't happen to be bootlegged. Same for virtually any other song. Out of the ca. 150-200 Queen concerts that are available in full (or almost full), TFFMS was not performed in any of them. It's also absent from the ca 100+ Queen concerts of which audio fragments are circulating. Considering their tendency to have (more or less) fixed set lists (from 1974 to mid 1978), considering their tendency to ignore Queen II material (from 1978 onwards ... sans the short bits of SSOR near the end of their touring career) and considering Freddie didn't play piano live before 1974, there's a very strong (though NOT definitive) chance that they NEVER played that song live. But no, no definitive yes or no unless you get gold of a time machine and watch every single of the 702 concerts Queen had and confirm whether they tried it out or not. BTW, where exactly on ultimatequeen.co.uk does it say they played it live? |
MadTheSwine73 09.08.2011 22:56 |
Sebastian wrote: BTW, where exactly on ultimatequeen.co.uk does it say they played it live? =================================================================== It references it here on the Opera Omnia page: link And here on the live page: link under "1974 Queen II UK Tour" By the way, thanks for the answer :D |
MERQRY 10.08.2011 01:48 |
MadTheSwine73 wrote: Sebastian wrote: BTW, where exactly on ultimatequeen.co.uk does it say they played it live? =================================================================== It references it here on the Opera Omnia page: link And here on the live page: link under "1974 Queen II UK Tour" By the way, thanks for the answer :D -------------- Hi! Well... In the second link they say that it's ROMOURED that queen play these song... also there's romours about Queen playing Sleeping On the sidewalk, Dead On Time or even 39 with Brian on Vocals... but at the moment nothing was confirmed with a recording. |
dsmeer 10.08.2011 10:28 |
Opera Omnia Who has or has seen the 2nd pressing (white covers) in real life? Does it exist, I have never seen it, is this a CDr version ? |
Fireplace 10.08.2011 14:35 |
Holly2003 wrote: dysan wrote: It isn't complicated at all! My thinking is in those early days, for the band to have rehearsed up songs as tight as that they would've been playing it for a while, it must've had a trip out of the house at somepoint in whatever form. Alas, I guess we'll never hear it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the record Fred's vocals overlap, which is something he would have a have time replicating on stage.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He did that for years on Death On Two legs, probably the best example of overlapping vocals. |
Kamenliter 10.08.2011 18:53 |
An old Queen trading friend of mine, Mark Tretman, from LA, CA, told me years ago that at a California Queen show in the mid 70's, some guy was screaming for Fairy Feller's insistently, and finally, Freddie (and I think the rest of the band) launched into a quick impromptu version of it. Mark was one of the pre-eminent Queen collectors back in the day and hung out backstage with Queen on at least a couple of occassions (I have photos of him with the band in Japan in '82, I believe), so I'll take him at his word. |
Rick 12.08.2011 08:39 |
A Queenfan from the US witnessed the SHA tour in 1975 and he told me the audience kept shouting for this particular song. An improvised, instrumental version followed. Lost contact with him years ago. Whether this is true, I don't know. But why not? They also rehearsed Funny How Love Is, so everything is possible. |
Kamenliter 12.08.2011 18:06 |
Hi Rick - Your story sounds exactly like the one I mentioned, directly above it..sounds like you were friends with Mark (c?) Tretman, as well?..or someone else who was at that show... |
The Real Wizard 13.08.2011 14:35 |
MERQRY wrote: there's romours about Queen playing Sleeping On the sidewalk, Dead On Time or even 39 with Brian on Vocals... but at the moment nothing was confirmed with a recording. ========== But there is a newspaper review of the Boston 11-12-77 show stating that Sleeping was performed. So there is confirmation that it was performed at least once. |
alBHMfan 08.04.2014 20:49 |
In answer to your question (years in the making): No, they never performed it live in front of an audience. They did however work up a simplified arrangement of the song which they actually did rehearse prior to the queen 2 tour but it never saw the stage. I remember reading this in a queen concert book years ago. |
alBHMfan 08.04.2014 20:49 |
In answer to your question (years in the making): No, they never performed it live in front of an audience. They did however work up a simplified arrangement of the song which they actually did rehearse prior to the queen 2 tour but it never saw the stage. I remember reading this in a queen concert book years ago. |
cmsdrums 09.04.2014 05:55 |
alBHMfan wrote: In answer to your question (years in the making): No, they never performed it live in front of an audience. They did however work up a simplified arrangement of the song which they actually did rehearse prior to the queen 2 tour but it never saw the stage. I remember reading this in a queen concert book years ago.Depending on which Queen concert live book that was (ahem...) I'd take that with a pinch of salt!! |
GT 13.04.2014 00:18 |
They performed TFFMS at least on one occasion and Sleeping was played quite a few times. |
Holly2003 13.04.2014 15:26 |
GT wrote: They performed TFFMS at least on one occasion and Sleeping was played quite a few times.Don't be telling us which concert that was. The whole Queen Productions empire might collapse if you do. |
splicksplack 14.04.2014 08:38 |
The Real Wizard wrote: MERQRY wrote: there's romours about Queen playing Sleeping On the sidewalk, Dead On Time or even 39 with Brian on Vocals... but at the moment nothing was confirmed with a recording. ========== But there is a newspaper review of the Boston 11-12-77 show stating that Sleeping was performed. So there is confirmation that it was performed at least once.I guess Gary has given the answrr to SOTS. However I would never rely on a newspaper review. I have been to gigs and then I have read the review full of glaring errors and downright lies (usually to make the review more interesting or to help along a big slag-off). |
cmsdrums 15.04.2014 05:40 |
GT wrote: They performed TFFMS at least on one occasion and Sleeping was played quite a few times.Cheers Gary - were any of these performances recorded either audio or video by the band? |
GT 17.04.2014 00:18 |
Yes, and you will find out soon enough when the live book is released. |
musicland munich 17.04.2014 00:58 |
GT wrote: Yes, and you will find out soon enough.^ :) :) :) !!! |
cmsdrums 17.04.2014 09:15 |
Lovely - thanks! |
Vocal harmony 17.04.2014 09:16 |
I seem to remember a Queen Fan Club mag, I don't havecit to hand just now, at the time of TNOTW tour with the set list in it. It said that Sleeping on The Side Walk was featured at some shows. |
The Real Wizard 17.04.2014 11:31 |
Vocal harmony wrote: I seem to remember a Queen Fan Club mag, I don't havecit to hand just now, at the time of TNOTW tour with the set list in it. It said that Sleeping on The Side Walk was featured at some shows.Indeed, it stated that it alternated nights with It's Late, which could indeed mean there were quite a few performances in November 77. That said - both songs were played at the Boston show, so that article isn't exactly empirical evidence.. |
Khizzy 16.06.2014 11:22 |
So now we know that Fairy Feller's was performed at the March Rainbow show! |
cmsdrums 16.06.2014 16:54 |
GT wrote: In at least one concert in 1978 Freddie said that he thought 'It's Late' was a great song but a fucker to sing live. Somehow I think 'Fairy Fellers' would of been even more difficult to perform live, so why bother. It was never deemed to be a live song, but a pure studio creation. They couldn't of done it without the harpsichord anyway, let alone get away with the vocals - so no it was never performed live as far as we know.So at least we know the Rainbow tapes hadn't been looked at by the time Gary wrote this - and presumably the new blu ray will show them wheeling out a harpsichord too as "they COULDN'T of (sic) done it without..."!!!! |
splicksplack 16.06.2014 17:05 |
Don't get your hopes up. I think we'll find it's the snippiest of snippets. Probably instrumental. I hope I'm proved wrong. |
RafaelS 16.06.2014 17:45 |
splicksplack wrote: Don't get your hopes up. I think we'll find it's the snippiest of snippets. Probably instrumental. I hope I'm proved wrong.My feeling as well. I don't really believe that song was ever played live. |
MadTheSwine73 16.06.2014 17:48 |
Well, things have changed now. It's going to be released on the new "Live At The Rainbow '74" album coming out later this year. Can't wait to hear it! |
Your Fairy King 16.06.2014 18:36 |
RafaelSomma wrote:My guess is it will be a piece of TFFMS in the Great King Rat guitar solo.splicksplack wrote: Don't get your hopes up. I think we'll find it's the snippiest of snippets. Probably instrumental. I hope I'm proved wrong.My feeling as well. I don't really believe that song was ever played live. |
dysan 17.06.2014 09:36 |
Told you so! :) |
MadTheSwine73 31.07.2014 13:45 |
Here's a part of it (taken from the iTunes sample): link |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 13:49 |
Needless to say, that's the most incredible piece of Queen music I've heard in about 20 years ! |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 13:51 |
That is amazing why didn't they perform it more than once! |
Mr.QueenFan 31.07.2014 13:58 |
I just don't have words to describe how fucking wonderful this sounds. Roger Taylor is a fucking legend. Singing this with Freddie while playing drums. Then Freddie and John and Brian - i never expect it to be this good. Really unbelievable, this song alone is worth the price for the Box-set. If only they could find the rest of the video footage. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 13:59 |
You expected less from queen? |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 14:14 |
That said - for some inexplicable reason the first 13 seconds of this clip play a quarter step too slow ! Here's a fixed version: link (edit - it now seems clear that the person who uploaded it to youtube made this edit so that it wouldn't be taken down for copyright reasons) |
fullstop 31.07.2014 14:20 |
Was Rainbow before Freddie acquired nodules? Sounds pretty good. |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 14:32 |
Who knows when he acquired them. But they didn't start to reveal themselves until February 1975. |
Rick 31.07.2014 14:33 |
It's just perfect. They nailed it on stage. |
Rick 31.07.2014 14:34 |
It sounds like there is a short acapella bit at the very end. Awesome. |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 14:37 |
Yup. This is just sensational. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 14:44 |
This release will be amazing nothing will ever beat it |
Lord Fickle 31.07.2014 15:10 |
This is pure gold! You can tell from the clip that it wasn't easy to perform live, but it's a real shame they gave up with it before perfecting it a bit more. I really can't wait for this release, and I hope it sells millions, which might give them the impetus to put out some other 70's concerts. One complete show from each tour would be simply awesome. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 15:14 |
Shows like Houston 77 would be great |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 15:20 |
Houston is already out there in complete form and great quality. Myself, I'd like to see the second night at Earls Court or the third night in Paris 79. But for now, we have the Rainbow box. This is far more than most of us could have imagined. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 15:22 |
Thats the problem we got the thing we have been waiting for now we have to decide what we want next |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 15:23 |
... before it's even released? Hang onto your knickers, son. Hopefully the buzz will last more than a few minutes. |
Doga 31.07.2014 15:31 |
Sounds fantastic! Really. I like to say more, but i can't. I want to have Rainbow. Now! |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 15:33 |
Its already been a month you can make it man! |
Holly2003 31.07.2014 15:35 |
Yes, yes and yes! Most of those harmonies are really spot on, and for a live performance of a really complicated and difficult song, well... it's just magical. Mr.QueenFan wrote: I just don't have words to describe how fucking wonderful this sounds. Roger Taylor is a fucking legend. Singing this with Freddie while playing drums. Then Freddie and John and Brian - i never expect it to be this good. Really unbelievable, |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 15:39 |
Holly2003 wrote: Yes, yes and yes! Most of those harmonies are really spot on, and for a live performance of a really complicated and difficult song, well... it's just magical.^ what he said. |
Sebastian 31.07.2014 16:20 |
No offence to Lambert fans or to those who're excited about Maylor's recent activity (which I absolutely categorically one hundred percent respect), but I find those 93 seconds alone far, far more exciting than any tours or records they do now. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 16:34 |
Sebastian wrote: No offence to Lambert fans or to those who're excited about Maylor's recent activity (which I absolutely categorically one hundred percent respect), but I find those 93 seconds alone far, far more exciting than any tours or records they do now.^^^^ It is more exiting no contest |
Gregsynth 31.07.2014 17:18 |
fullstop wrote: Was Rainbow before Freddie acquired nodules? Sounds pretty good. Yes! The nodes first started affecting him in February 1975. This Rainbow stuff is top notch! Definitely an amazing sample! |
Gregsynth 31.07.2014 17:28 |
I can't wait for the official release date. I already heard the sample at least 10 times! Love this!!!! |
Fireplace 31.07.2014 20:42 |
So much more than I'd expected it to be. Why oh why didn't they stick with it? |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 20:45 |
It may have been to complicated we may never know. |
thomasquinn 32989 01.08.2014 04:40 |
Wow. This is incredible - much better than I had expected, or even hoped. Now I REALLY can't wait for the set to come out! |
MadTheSwine73 01.08.2014 11:52 |
With regards to the YouTube video, it has been taken down, which isn't exactly unexpected. What I didn't expect was whoo took it down. "This video contains content from Believe Music, who has blocked it on copyright grounds." Who's Believe Music? Never heard of them before. |
Doga 01.08.2014 12:49 |
MadTheSwine73 wrote: With regards to the YouTube video, it has been taken down, which isn't exactly unexpected. What I didn't expect was whoo took it down. "This video contains content from Believe Music, who has blocked it on copyright grounds." Who's Believe Music? Never heard of them before.Killer Queen's Company, If the video is the only thing taken down the uploader can be happy. My bet is the secret police is torturing him in the room 101 right now. A lot of nice songs have been blocked or muted in YT recently. |
Nitroboy 01.08.2014 13:47 |
MadTheSwine73 wrote: With regards to the YouTube video, it has been taken down, which isn't exactly unexpected. What I didn't expect was whoo took it down. "This video contains content from Believe Music, who has blocked it on copyright grounds." Who's Believe Music? Never heard of them before. They're in charge of managing Queen's content and copyrighted material on YouTube (and possibly other sites), I've talked with one of the people working at Believe Music and they're not bad people. |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 01.08.2014 14:18 |
Sebastian wrote: No offence to Lambert fans or to those who're excited about Maylor's recent activity (which I absolutely categorically one hundred percent respect), but I find those 93 seconds alone far, far more exciting than any tours or records they do now.I agree, Sebastian. I shared this opinion on the Stone Cold Crazy video and got flamed. Albeit, I was a little more defiant, but still the same vein of thought.. |
The Real Wizard 01.08.2014 14:26 |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 wrote:And nobody in their right mind would disagree with you. Has anyone actually said Queen + Lambert is as good or important as Queen in their heyday?Sebastian wrote: No offence to Lambert fans or to those who're excited about Maylor's recent activity (which I absolutely categorically one hundred percent respect), but I find those 93 seconds alone far, far more exciting than any tours or records they do now.I agree, Sebastian. I shared this opinion on the Stone Cold Crazy video and got flamed. Albeit, I was a little more defiant, but still the same vein of thought.. |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 01.08.2014 17:32 |
Yes... RealWizard. Of course it wasn't posted here on QZ, but there were a couple of Adam fans on the OIQFC facebook page who act as if Adam is the best thing that happened to Queen. |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 01.08.2014 17:34 |
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rocknrolllover 03.08.2014 00:04 |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 wrote: Yes... RealWizard. Of course it wasn't posted here on QZ, but there were a couple of Adam fans on the OIQFC facebook page who act as if Adam is the best thing that happened to Queen.I not sure that Adam is the best thing that happened to Queen. |
thomasquinn 32989 03.08.2014 05:58 |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 wrote: Yes... RealWizard. Of course it wasn't posted here on QZ, but there were a couple of Adam fans on the OIQFC facebook page who act as if Adam is the best thing that happened to Queen.But does the opinion of a bunch of cult-like AL-stepfords really have any value when talking about Queen? It'd be like taking seriously a 5ive-fan who claims their version of WWRY is the best thing Queen ever did, or, more reasonably, a George Michael-fan appraising Five Live. |
tomchristie22 05.08.2014 07:02 |
Holy wow. Like many, I was just expecting an instrumental mess around like Leroy Brown - this is incredible. Even more hyped for the full release now! |
tomchristie22 05.08.2014 07:03 |
Freddie absolutely NAILS the 'soldier, sailor, tinker, tailor...' part. Aahgh. |
j0ck3 08.09.2014 13:18 |
Having listened to the full song a handful of times now it's still as great as the preview hinted at. However I do see a paralell here to their future decision of not attempting the Opera section live in Bohemian Rhapsody. The live version here omits so many small vocal details that's there in the studio version while not adding anything apart from a short acapella. Brian says they didn't play it often and I would guess that is because of how difficult the song is vocally for both Freddie and Roger. The instrumental parts are stellar though and in my opinion a highlight of the March show. |
Hank H. 09.09.2014 02:07 |
This sounds almost too good to be the original live recording. We'll never know how much of it is overdubbed or corrected, will we? If they did play it that well, they must have rehearsed it a lot. But after so much effort you'd expect them to keep it in the setlist... |
tomchristie22 09.09.2014 03:15 |
Loving all the arguments early in this threads about how it's too hard or complex to have played live. It's like everyone forgot they played Keep Yourself Alive and Death on Two Legs live, both of which have lots of overlapping lead vocal. |
Oscar J 09.09.2014 03:40 |
They had an extraordinary ability to keep complex songs together. I think Taylor and Deacon are responsible for much of that, they just didn't miss a beat. |
cmsdrums 09.09.2014 07:02 |
Oscar J wrote: They had an extraordinary ability to keep complex songs together. I think Taylor and Deacon are responsible for much of that, they just didn't miss a beat.Spot on - everyone can probably names countless Freddie and Brian slip ups across a number of bootlegs, but listen to a 100 gigs and you'll probably only need a couple of fingers to count up mistakes by Roger and John. (... 'runs away and hides after opening himself up for people to produce a long list of Queen rhythm section faux-pas!!') |
Oscar J 09.09.2014 07:13 |
There's a real train wreck in the Golders Green version of See What A Fool I've been though. I remember Roger really losing track in some version of In Love With My Car as well, but that had more to do with the singing I think. So yeah, there are really few examples. Brian on the other hand always messes up things, but I forgive him because he was my biggest inspiration in my guitar playing for a long time. |