| queenfan78.1 04.08.2011 09:56 |
With the announcement of the wembley dvd in september I see the all too familiar griping about re releasing and never any 70's shows becoming official. I have to wonder, does brian and/or roger ever hear these complaints, or do they go right over their heads. Has there ever been any acknowledgement to the concerns of the fans? Do they make plans to release and decide to hold off for some reason? Do record company execs suggest 70's releases and are turned down by brian and roger or what? I am looking forward to having the first show on dvd, but it does seem odd that in celebrating their 40th anniversary there's no planned releases of anything from the first 10 years of there career. (minus the albums of course) |
| malicedoom 04.08.2011 10:10 |
I've wondered this very question, and wondered it quite a bit lately. Very curious to know the answer. It'd be nice to at least know we've been heard. |
| mooghead 04.08.2011 13:14 |
Doesn't matter what Queen release, the vast majority of people on this site (in particular) will complain that it's too loud or too quiet or too compressed or the sleeve should be different or a different version should have been released..... or blah blah. If I was Queen I wouldn't give you moaning shower of shite anything either. |
| GinjaNinja 04.08.2011 17:47 |
To be fair, I'll be quite pleased with the upcoming Wembley release. The entire first night is a great bonus, and I'm looking forward to a proper DTS mix this time :) Really, they just missed the mark with the album re-issues. This was an ideal opportunity to group together all of the single edits/versions, B-sides, Standalone versions (perhaps even adding all of the tracks without segues for Queen II), to make it the definitive collection of all their studio releases. It was also the only place we could have seen all the albums on DVD-Audio format, a bonus disc of the entire album in surround sound could have been included, as there isn't much of a market for them on their own. They could have been so much more, but at least we got some unreleased material. I thoroughly enjoyed the newly mixed live tracks, and I though the selection for Flash Gordon was particularly good. However, I am optimistic for the future, and if this new Wembley set is anything to go by, the upcoming live releases will be excellent - Both nights of montreal on CD anyone? Both nights at the rainbow? - Possible, if Wembley is seen as an indicator :) |
| Thistle 04.08.2011 18:20 |
mooghead wrote: Doesn't matter what Queen release, the vast majority of people on this site (in particular) will complain that it's too loud or too quiet or too compressed or the sleeve should be different or a different version should have been released..... or blah blah. If I was Queen I wouldn't give you moaning shower of shite anything either. ============================================================================================= You are one of the biggest moaners in the shower of shite. Practice what you preach. |
| i-Fred 04.08.2011 18:35 |
.....Woah!!!!!!!!!!!! fight fight fight fight |
| i-Fred 04.08.2011 18:36 |
.........mooghead is awsome |
| Thistle 04.08.2011 18:40 |
i-Fred wrote: .....Woah!!!!!!!!!!!! fight fight fight fight ============================================================================================= Nah, slight disagreement but never a fight. Nobody's worth the hassle. |
| Thistle 04.08.2011 18:40 |
i-Fred wrote: .........mooghead is awsome ============================================================================================= Woah.....clique forming, is there? |
| i-Fred 04.08.2011 18:42 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: i-Fred wrote: .....Woah!!!!!!!!!!!! fight fight fight fight ============================================================================================= Nah, slight disagreement but never a fight. Nobody's worth the hassle. _____________________________________________________________________________________________ No bodys worth it, no body gives a dam |
| i-Fred 04.08.2011 18:45 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: i-Fred wrote: .........mooghead is awsome ============================================================================================= Woah.....clique forming, is there? .... How dare you! You Troll!!! ehehehehehehehehehe Nar,....... Im not in to the clique thing.. Nothing wrong with it, but some times it just reaks of ass sucking, pretentious anal personalities .. But I gots no beef with you |
| Thistle 04.08.2011 18:51 |
i-Fred wrote: Im not in to the clique thing.. Nothing wrong with it, but some times it just reaks of ass sucking and pretenious anal peronalitys.. But I gots no beef with you ============================================================================================= There's no-one on QZ like that, really. With everyone you seem to get along with, an argument is still waiting....no-one agrees on everything, and there's not a person on QZ I know who deliberately "sides" with another on every little thing. Honestly, there are no cliques here at all. Look at this thread as an example - a lot of the time I don't have much to say to moog, but when we do interact, it's usually in agreement. Then there's this... |
| i-Fred 04.08.2011 18:59 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: i-Fred wrote: Im not in to the clique thing.. Nothing wrong with it, but some times it just reaks of ass sucking and pretenious anal peronalitys.. But I gots no beef with you ============================================================================================= There's no-one on QZ like that, really. With everyone you seem to get along with, an argument is still waiting....no-one agrees on everything, and there's not a person on QZ I know who deliberately "sides" with another on every little thing. Honestly, there are no cliques here at all. Look at this thread as an example - a lot of the time I don't have much to say to moog, but when we do interact, it's usually in agreement. Then there's this... hhhmmmmm.... I wouldnt doubt much with what you mention here, as you have summed up the culture of the place pretty finely. But, im still perplexed on the "sides" thing. I think there are people here who side up. Honestly, for the life of me, the names of members dont come to mind. . I do beleive though, put most of us in a room with a few Beers, and we would all have a great time.. |
| Thistle 04.08.2011 19:19 |
i-Fred wrote: "I wouldnt doubt much with what you mention here, as you have summed up the culture of the place pretty finely. But, im still perplexed on the "sides" thing. I think there are people here who side up" ============================================================================================ There are a few folk here who are just so nice they find it difficult to argue with others. I don't think they are being cliquey. RE the "sides" thing, it does appear that certain folk tend to always agree with the same group of people - they are like-minded, but not deliberately siding. Just for the purpose of this, I'll say that me and bob (Sir GH) get along, although we don't always agree on stuff. That's the nature of debate. We don't go out of our way to support each other in arguments, but do tend to agree on a lot of things....though NOT everything. I have also agreed with (an example from the top of my head) Kurgan on many things....but have clashed too lol. Just the nature of the form. That's the beauty of QZ - loads of different opinions and angles on opinions - it's great when someone agrees, but when they don't, they make sure you know about it :) ============================================================================================ "I do beleive though, put most of us in a room with a few Beers, and we would all have a great time.." ============================================================================================ Couldn't agree more :) |
| i-Fred 04.08.2011 20:02 |
and without sounding like Clique... come Beer-O'clock tonight,,, I'll raise my glass an shout a Beer your way :) |
| Thistle 04.08.2011 20:25 |
i-Fred wrote: and without sounding like Clique... come Beer-O'clock tonight,,, I'll raise my glass an shout a Beer your way :) ============================================================================================= :))))) |
| Djdownsy 04.08.2011 20:36 |
A beer would go down lovely right now... |
| i-Fred 04.08.2011 20:40 |
Ok... Ill get the first round...... who's up for the 2nd??? |
| Togg 05.08.2011 02:59 |
99% of the decision to release this type of stuff will be taken by Jim Beach, he may or may not involve Brian or Roger other than to say this is happening shoiut if you disagree, they will probably just let him get on with it as it's a business. That being said it is a puzzle that they never release the 70's concerts when even Brian and Roger must be aware by now that fans want it. I bet Brian has had a million emails about it by now. I guess they view it as simply how many copies can the sell? and the fact it more people will buy a concert with the big 80's hits then one from the 70's. I am sure it will happen eventually because they will surly run out of 80's usable stuff at some point. Of course the amount of work needed to get a 70's concert up to the standard that the band are happy with might simply be too much when an 80's well recorded gig is sitting on the shelf next to it... I really want a Live Killers era concert, but judging by the amount of work and stress getting that LP out took I can only assume it will take a lot of work before the band are happy with the sound. |
| Back2TheLight 05.08.2011 03:12 |
I believe that it's been said somewhere officially that they are working on a Rainbow 1974 release? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I did read about it somewhere... I too have Wembley on DVD, but I'm looking forward to owning the friday concert on DVD and the remastered sound of the saturday concert. Wonder if they are going to delay the release out here on that in the US as all the other remasters. I'm not complaining one bit about the remasters, I've liked it all so far. I AM complaining that it's crap that we get things three months after the fact...there's no good reason for that, I don't care who you are... |
| cmsdrums 05.08.2011 06:30 |
It would be lovely if they did actually plan a release that was done purely for artistic reasons rather than for business/monetary reasons, but that hasn't happened for years and years. It's a shame, cos ironically when they started out they (like most bands) were focussed on the making of the music, and putting themselves across based on their musical and artistic visions. They would release stuff purely cos it was what they wanted from an artistic point of view (Bo Rhap for example) even if it wasn't the obvious business choice. Especially as back in those days after the early dodgy deals they really could have taken a 'safe' view in order to recoup costs. Ironcially, now that they don;t need the money and could afford to release stuff purely for artistic reasons, and to pay back the fans in a small way, they don't, but instead view absolutely every release as a profit/loss balance sheeted business decision This is confirmed by GT and GB who have confirmed on countless occasions that releases are based on a business view - ie they'd rather shift a million copies of a rebundled Greatest Hits, than sell 25,000 archive sets that would get rave reviews from the serious music press, delight and surprise fans, and hopefully reignite their own fire for writing and performing. Sad isn't it? |
| catqueen 05.08.2011 07:14 |
mooghead wrote: Doesn't matter what Queen release, the vast majority of people on this site (in particular) will complain that it's too loud or too quiet or too compressed or the sleeve should be different or a different version should have been released..... or blah blah. If I was Queen I wouldn't give you moaning shower of shite anything either. rofl, u have a point. But moaning is FUN! |
| catqueen 05.08.2011 07:15 |
What queen SHOULD do, of course, is invite all of QZ to visit them, sort thru the records, copy what we want and meet us all... |
| Dodger Taylor 05.08.2011 11:14 |
Wasnt Brian May supposed to have said theyre workin on Rainbow74 n Budapest86 sometime ago? As The Rainbow show has already been partly released before its possible we will see this concert sometime in the future. The Wembley release was a bit of a suprise to me considering he said they were workin on Budapest which is from same tour. |
| Holly2003 05.08.2011 11:34 |
mooghead wrote: Doesn't matter what Queen release, the vast majority of people on this site (in particular) will complain that it's too loud or too quiet or too compressed or the sleeve should be different or a different version should have been released..... or blah blah. If I was Queen I wouldn't give you moaning shower of shite anything either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By that logic Queen can go fuck themselves too. Now that both sides have expressed our contempt for eachother, are we any further along to getting what we each want i.e. fans want some unreleased material, and Queen productions want more money? Queen Productions need to do a basic marketing course to learn the definition -- and benefits -- of customer satisfaction ... |
| tero! 48531 05.08.2011 12:02 |
Dodger Taylor wrote: Wasnt Brian May supposed to have said theyre workin on Rainbow74 n Budapest86 sometime ago? As The Rainbow show has already been partly released before its possible we will see this concert sometime in the future. The Wembley release was a bit of a suprise to me considering he said they were workin on Budapest which is from same tour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can call me cynical, but I say the wembley show is (re-) released now because they actually did the work for it back in 2003 for the previous release... Hopefully there's only this 8 year lag between working on something and actually releasing it, because the other alternative is that they only START projects and never actually finish them for release. |
| Dodger Taylor 05.08.2011 13:07 |
Tero! wrote: Dodger Taylor wrote: Wasnt Brian May supposed to have said theyre workin on Rainbow74 n Budapest86 sometime ago? As The Rainbow show has already been partly released before its possible we will see this concert sometime in the future. The Wembley release was a bit of a suprise to me considering he said they were workin on Budapest which is from same tour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can call me cynical, but I say the wembley show is (re-) released now because they actually did the work for it back in 2003 for the previous release... Hopefully there's only this 8 year lag between working on something and actually releasing it, because the other alternative is that they only START projects and never actually finish them for release. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno if the original idea was to release both nights back then but I know what you mean about the time it seems to take for a "project" th be mentioned and the product actually ever seein the light of day.Prime example bein Hammersmith 75 which is clearly a finished concert (I know there was no encore shown but as its highly unlikely to even exist on film Id call it finished) as it was shown in hd quality on bbc a couple of years back but still no apparent release. |
| Sith 06.08.2011 08:16 |
I look at it this way, if QP gave us everything we wanted right away, there wouldn't be anything left to look forward to. I would love to see a DVD from the Live Killer tour like many other people here, there was something special to me about that particular tour that stands out. At least QP got this re-release right by including the entire first show. I'll buy it. Would have loved to see Knebworth with the first show as a bonus. |
| cmsdrums 06.08.2011 08:23 |
If they gave us stuff "straight away" - by "straight away" you mean over the last 20 years?!! |
| razamataz 10.08.2011 12:47 |
Well, of course the old-time fans are happy to see any new release from the band, but BM and RG should recognize (and intervine if they are not doing it) that the band started in the 70s (and not the 80s) and that the fans want all the good staff (concerts) the did between 1974 and 1979. We've had enough from the 80s (maybe we just need their last concert in 86) and we are really expecting a 70's concert to be released soon... |
| malicedoom 10.08.2011 13:34 |
I agree. It's the concerts from 76-79 that I'd really like to see be given the full treatment like the current 'officially released' DVDs. |
| Hangman_96 10.08.2011 14:49 |
I've recently been hoping they'd release something worthwhile, and now I know it is going to happen! I mean the complete first concert at Wembley. But what about concerts from 70's? Will they ever release them? I doubt. If the news about releasing complete Rainbow '74 weren't a joke... then we're still luckies! |
| catqueen 10.08.2011 18:14 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: i-Fred wrote: .........mooghead is awsome ============================================================================================= Woah.....clique forming, is there? rofl dont u mean a 'click'?! lmao |
| tman77 10.08.2011 21:27 |
Many of us older fans have stressed the concern of Queen Productions neglecting the brilliant shows of the 70’s. I know with today’s technology, technical difficulties can be “fixed” by using any audio that may have dropped here or drums crashing during the middle of “You Take My Breath Away” there, etc... We see high quality footage of The Rainbow, Hyde Park and Earls Court all over YouTube and it’s a real shame that we have yet to see any of these releases. I know Jacky has stressed that Mr. Beach didn’t see a possibility of these shows ever being released because of technical problems which blows my mind to be honest with you. I’ve been spending my hard earned money on everything Queen have ever done since ‘75. I’ve purchased every Queen album, single, 8-track, cassett, CD (4 times each), DVD’s, etc... I literally own every Queen CD 4 times in various sets... WE CRAVE 70’s QUEEN (like many, many fans) and all that we can buy is 80’s Queen... Queen were fierce live and many of the younger fans out there have no idea how vicious they were at these 70’s shows... ALSO,loved the documentary (Day’s of Our Lives) and was flabbergasted that there was studio footage of “We Are the Champions”!!! That was AMAZING to see. I never knew it existed, I nearly peed myself when I saw it... Queen has known for years that their fans are intelligent and could sit for hours on end watching them work in the studio. We want to hear every guitar layer of Brian's magnificent orchestrations, every layered backing vocal, every bass and drum track, we LOVE this stuff. We have: We Will Rock You DVD (purchased 3 times), Wembley, Rock In Rio, On Fire at the Bowl but NOTHING from the 70’s... Queen in the 80’s were a well refined, stadium phenom but in the 70’s, a vicious badass outfit!!! I was hoping for the 40th they would be re-releasing the Queen catalog with accompanying DVD (as the second bonus disc) of any footage from that era... Example: A Day at the Races CD WITH Earls Court DVD... I also hear that a possible Grand Anthology is in the works!!!I hope the folks at Island, Hollywood, Jim Beach and Brian & Roger demand 70’s stuff... I would spend $100’s on it and so would your older die hards out there... We’re terrified that we may not see this stuff until the 50th Anniversary when many of us will be long gone due to natural causes... C'mon guys!!! |
| cmsdrums 11.08.2011 01:46 |
Yeah, what he said |