| dysan 01.08.2011 09:35 |
Unreleased track added, but I don't know what it is as more than about 6 people are accessing queenonline. FFS. |
| dysan 01.08.2011 09:39 |
We might as well give up: 1 I Want It All (Single Version) [Queen] 2 The Invisible Man (Early Version with Guide Vocal, August 1988) [Queen] 3 Hang On In There (B-Side) [Queen] 4 Hijack My Heart (B-Side) [Queen] 5 Stealin’ (B-Side) [Queen] 6 Chinese Torture (Instrumental) [Queen] 7 The Invisible Man (12” Version) [Queen] |
| Dodger Taylor 01.08.2011 10:06 |
Previously unreleased made it sound hopeful of a new track but should of guessed really I suppose :( |
| ole-the-first 01.08.2011 10:20 |
Now The Miracle EP is more like Deluxe. Some good news though. |
| dysan 01.08.2011 10:23 |
I'm undecided about this. Definitely nice, but now some of the discs are reaching 7 tracks it makes the earlier 5 track ones look a bit shit. And of course, it doesn't address the other issues. |
| Dodger Taylor 01.08.2011 10:26 |
The Miracle CD hasnt really got 7 bonus tracks as 3 of the tracks were on the original CD anyway. |
| dysan 01.08.2011 10:40 |
Which makes me shake my fist even more at QP! |
| Queenman!! 01.08.2011 10:51 |
dysan wrote: Which makes me shake my fist even more at QP! Has QP heard the bell ring? This is really what I meant. Too bad it's only on the miracle EP and not on Innuendo, MIH and others. Now QP will satisfy a lot more people. I think I buy The Miracle. Thank you for listening QP |
| Rael 01.08.2011 10:59 |
They've only added one track, it's the same thing with something new. C'mon, "Chinese torture" is already an instrumental!! This ain't goods news. |
| dave76 01.08.2011 11:16 |
Invisible man (with guide vocal). Could it be the short demo which we all have where almost at the end Freddie does an Elvis imitation? I believe it's almost 1:30 min. long. |
| Montreux 01.08.2011 11:42 |
Aaah, bring us finally "Dog With A Bone"!!! Great track recorded for hardcore fans, so why isn't it on Bonus EP?! |
| GT 01.08.2011 12:12 |
The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. The band and the guys who compile this stuff are happy with what is on this new set of bonus EP's, not everyone will be, but all the inclusions are right for each CD. As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks. |
| Dodger Taylor 01.08.2011 12:22 |
So why no Dozen Red Roses or Blurred vision on A Kind Of Magic? Queen didnt do many non-album B-sides so why were they deemed not relevant for that bonus EP |
| Rael 01.08.2011 12:25 |
GT, it will be great if you can tell us if there's going to be an Anthology or a Box-set of rare stuff. So we can be quiet and happy waiting for it ;) |
| Ale Solan 01.08.2011 12:54 |
ole-the-first wrote: Now The Miracle EP is more like Deluxe. Some good news though. =================== oh, sweet irony |
| The Real Wizard 01.08.2011 12:58 |
If this is Roger's guide vocal, then I'll be happy as a pig in shit. |
| Pim Derks 01.08.2011 13:46 |
Sir GH wrote: If this is Roger's guide vocal, then I'll be happy as a pig in shit. Yeah me too. Let's hope it's not the same version we've had for years (with the Elvis-like bridge before the 'never had a real good friend' verse). Ah well, if it's a full version of that early take it'd still be cool. I hope it's Roger though :D |
| malicedoom 01.08.2011 13:47 |
What I'd really like is that demo of The Invisible Man that has the brief segment that sounds like Vegas/Elvis - right before Freddie sings the line "Never had a real good friend - not a boy or a girl". Anyone else heard that? It's pretty cool. I wish they had left it in. |
| Rick 01.08.2011 14:07 |
Sir GH wrote: If this is Roger's guide vocal, then I'll be happy as a pig in shit. ===== I laughed. Loud. Thanks for that! :D |
| dysan 01.08.2011 14:19 |
"As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks." Oh my fucking god. The 'guys' who compiled these - the work experience boys in the Island office I suppose? Seriously GT. Don't lick arse - make a stand and tell your paymaster how it should be done. We are all very unhappy with the incomplete nature of this batch and on the whole, Queen are left with a poor legacy. If you are any sort of fan, you will know what we're talking about. |
| tero! 48531 01.08.2011 15:20 |
dysan wrote: "As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks." Oh my fucking god. The 'guys' who compiled these - the work experience boys in the Island office I suppose? Seriously GT. Don't lick arse - make a stand and tell your paymaster how it should be done. We are all very unhappy with the incomplete nature of this batch and on the whole, Queen are left with a poor legacy. If you are any sort of fan, you will know what we're talking about. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The legacy of Queen is that they sell a truckloads of albums, and they don't need an anthology release of any sort... I expect Brian May to be buried with all the Queen recordings just to prevent them from ever being released. :P The time to make a stand for the average fan was ten years ago, not in 2011 when the inner circle is comfortable in the little niches they have carved out for themselves over the years by being yes-men. |
| cmsdrums 01.08.2011 15:46 |
GT - you say that the track was left off the press release nut was expected to be added after clearance; just why the hell not just wait for the clearance first and do one press release?!? This way it just looks like an about turn after the uproar (even if you say it isn't). On a related note, can you say with things like this type of demo, who owns the original copyright? Is it EMI cos it was recorded 'on their watch', or do the band own it, or Roger individually, because it was never released on any EMI release and so was recorded by themselves in their home studio? Just curious - cheers |
| dysan 01.08.2011 15:46 |
It isn't about inner circle, average fans or that - it's about serving the albums well. I don't really care about unreleased stuff UNTIL the albums have been lovingly compiled with all previously released tracks into complete volumes. I just cannot fathom how this has been cocked up. |
| AndyMan100 01.08.2011 16:44 |
I would DIE for them to release a mastered version of the demo "I Guess We're Falling Out"! My personal favorite album IS the miracle (for my own reasons), but I really do feel they made a HUGE mistake leaving that track off.. That's the song I feel was the missing link for that album!!! Not to mention I would love to hear the FULL 12 minute version of Stealin, but with how stingy they've been with these remastered so called 'bonus tracks', I'm not getting my hopes up. :o( |
| tero! 48531 01.08.2011 17:09 |
dysan wrote: It isn't about inner circle, average fans or that - it's about serving the albums well. I don't really care about unreleased stuff UNTIL the albums have been lovingly compiled with all previously released tracks into complete volumes. I just cannot fathom how this has been cocked up. The best thing for fans would be for the album sales to drop to the same level as they are with other artists. Because decent sales must mean that the albums are served well, and there's no need to change anything. |
| Ren Sen 01.08.2011 20:34 |
I am NOT spending any of money on these remasters! I own most bonus tracks already If they wanted us to have new bonus material .... then why bother with a bonus-ep ? if it stays on catalogue for only a year.... whats the point of these releases (for fans?) I dont get it at all. The Miracle ep will now have 7 tracks, and most likely we have heard em all before as 20 years ago it actually was a BONUS. so who are these 2 disc versions directed at ? yes it couldve been so much more fun ... QPL : less is more (for us) |
| rhyeking 01.08.2011 23:02 |
Who are these 2 disc sets directed at, one asks? The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online. What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition. The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though). And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be. Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so. Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then. Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer. If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness). |
| joesilvey 01.08.2011 23:37 |
well said, Rhye... and I certainly hope with you for the eventual Anthology in some form. Seriously, if they have tape of at least 10 takes of an unreleased track like Feelings, Feelings... you think there aren't hours and hours of studio material we've not even imagined? perhaps even that the band have forgotten?? I think some amazing stuff is yet to come... |
| flashgordon2011 02.08.2011 00:01 |
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. The band and the guys who compile this stuff are happy with what is on this new set of bonus EP's, not everyone will be, but all the inclusions are right for each CD. As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks. ================================================================================================ Look who showed up. Has he come to answer the criticism? |
| flashgordon2011 02.08.2011 00:06 |
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. The band and the guys who compile this stuff are happy with what is on this new set of bonus EP's, not everyone will be, but all the inclusions are right for each CD. As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks. =============================================================================================== change the tracklist and the for other four EP |
| GT 02.08.2011 00:20 |
And rhyeking says exactly how it is and understands completely what these new remasters are all about. And to that Russian guy above - nothing is being changed. |
| GratefulFan 02.08.2011 00:21 |
rhyeking wrote: Who are these 2 disc sets directed at, one asks? The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online. What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition. The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though). And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be. Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so. Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then. Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer. If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness). ============================ Umpteem paragraphs about justifiable and expected corporate decisions somehow wrapped up as artistic control/interests? How does that work? Is it a product or not? If it's a product, interested parties get to complain about it and demand better just like any other product. I've never had anybody call me entitled and selfish because I wanted a company in whose product I'd made significant investment of time and money to get it's act together and meet expectations they themselves set up or expectations that are reasonable based on the behaviour and output of competitors. If it's not a product, but art, or some kind of product-art hybrid then there certainly is an implicit artist/fan relationship there that makes your statement about 'the ultimate loss of integrity' more than a little absurd. |
| flashgordon2011 02.08.2011 00:38 |
GT wrote: And rhyeking says exactly how it is and understands completely what these new remasters are all about. And to that Russian guy above - nothing is being changed. Will be released be this year, dvd concert or documentary movie? |
| flashgordon2011 02.08.2011 00:39 |
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. The band and the guys who compile this stuff are happy with what is on this new set of bonus EP's, not everyone will be, but all the inclusions are right for each CD. As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks. =============================================================================================== Will be released be this year, dvd concert or documentary movie? |
| c-lebrity94 02.08.2011 02:05 |
Hey russian guy)I'm from Ukraine) This New year we are all waiting for dvd Brian May and Kerry Ellis)and it's not a joke) |
| flashgordon2011 02.08.2011 02:17 |
c-lebrity94 wrote: Hey russian guy)I'm from Ukraine) This New year we are all waiting for dvd Brian May and Kerry Ellis)and it's not a joke) ================================================================================================ I am not waiting for this DVD Kerry Elis as singer I do not like, you know |
| dysan 02.08.2011 02:46 |
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like the bass drum on Jealousy :o) I'm sorry I shouted earlier. We're all friends here. |
| Ren Sen 02.08.2011 04:17 |
rhyeking wrote: Who are these 2 disc sets directed at, one asks? The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online. What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition. The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though). And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be. Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so. Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then. Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer. If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness). ________________________________________________________________________________________________ you get it or you dont get it at all ...... Dear sir Rhyking - no offense - but I would like to know : Are you actually a fan of the band or are you a spokesman for QPL?Seriously tho, isnt it CLEAR enough already that WE the fans of this band are NOT happy with whats being released right now ?? (I know Im not alone in this so stop kidding us!) I personally, had a little bit of hope when they decided to change record companies.(after the last horrible releases that were on EMI (the singles boxes/Absolute Greatest) Its 2011 now and they are on Universal, what if they cant get the albums (and the singles boxes) right? God help us in the next year and beyond that!! (we were promised live releases in 2012) What I do know is that QPL dont care about fans that would are interested in: properly done deluxe editions of the albums (a bonus disc thats crammed with BONUS),a live at the bbc set,different live releases on cd/dvd/blu-ray... but nooo...... instead of that Wembley 1986 will be part no 1 of the Universal dvd collection, that is whats going on here and how about next year? Milton Keynes Bowl 1982 - 30th anniversary deluxe 1dvd/2cd ...... no!?!? ohhh yes they can!!!! blegh! :( |
| dysan 02.08.2011 04:23 |
At least the singles boxed sets were complete and looked nice. I think I might buy up the ons I don't have just to be perverse. |
| Dodger Taylor 02.08.2011 05:16 |
I know Island have to issue all the albums onto their label and I get the idea of a bonus cd.I just dont like the material that theyve added.Id of been happy with the bonus cd being Single mixes,extended mixes n B sides.That way theyd all of been in a nice collection all together and allow future releases to be previously un released rarer stuff.As it is its just a mishmash of nothingness.Its been 20 years since Freddie passed away and in that 20 years I think the only good thing to be released was Made In Heaven,everything else has just been same old same old.They may be celebrating 40 years but the last 20 years have been very poor in my eyes.I cant see a change to Island making much difference,just same stuff being re issued. |
| dysan 02.08.2011 05:21 |
same stuff we always get VS Complete issues feat all single bsides, edits 12" etc = same thing? |
| Dodger Taylor 02.08.2011 05:41 |
Meant get all the previously released stuff nicely put together on the reissued albums to get that all out the way Then release some previously unheard stuff. |
| Holly2003 02.08.2011 05:43 |
rhyeking wrote: Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's an element of truth in this because some fans want stuff that would not be commercially viable to release in the normal way i.e. through DVDs, CDs with expensive packaging, distribution deals etc. As only fans would buy it and no one else, for financial reasons only QP do not think these releases are approproate. However, there's plenty of ways to release this stuff to fans through downloads or even as physical products. Look at Pearl Jam's live releases, for example. The problem is Queen Productions want to do the least work for the most profit and therefore release only stuff they know will sell to a wide audience. Fair enough: I won't buy it. I doubt they care much about that and that's what I don't understand: why alienate those customers who are most likely to buy your releases? To put it in simple monetary terms, which is the only language they seem to understand (were the music journalists right along? How much money do they need?) they are missing out on some cash as I would buy a product if they released something interesting. However, I also admit that constantly being shafted by QP, together with the often shitty consdescending attitude of their represenatives/employees is grating and makes it less likely I will buy their products unless something really special appears. In any event, like Queen these days, this whole subject is boring. It was boring in 1999 when I complained on the old Queen Fan Club noticeboard that GH3 was a pile of shite and that people should stop buying rereleases of older, already available material otherwise Queen will continue to release them. 12 years later and the same process is ongoing. In that time, I bought, from memory, only Live at the Bowl and Montreal DVDs, plus Return of the Champions and TCR on CD. I would've bought a lot more if they had released Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston etc. However, there is plenty of other good music available that I have and will continue to spend my cash on. Brian will have to spend someone else's money to save the badgers ... |
| Russian Headlong 02.08.2011 05:49 |
6 out of 7 of those bonus tracks have been widely available for ages. 3 of them were on the original cd release! dog with a bone and scandal 12" would have been better in my view. invisible 12" is terrible, if that mbdm and rmf were dropped the miracle would be a very good album. |
| Russian Headlong 02.08.2011 05:49 |
6 out of 7 of those bonus tracks have been widely available for ages. 3 of them were on the original cd release! dog with a bone and scandal 12" would have been better in my view. invisible 12" is terrible, if that mbdm and rmf were dropped the miracle would be a very good album. |
| dysan 02.08.2011 06:18 |
Leave RMF along! Although MBDM is one of the worst songs in the catalogue. I love The Miracle (mainly as a nostalgic thing) but I just cannot listen to Party anymore, eventhough Brian is stunning on it. |
| smilebrian 02.08.2011 06:29 |
Hey GT, can you ask Brian if he thinks Ludwig's ANATO remaster is better than Hoffman's DCC? It isn't. Not even close. I doubt Brian has even heard it. Brian and Justin had no idea those piece of shit vinyl reissues from EMi were cut from a 1998 digital source. DIDN'T EVEN KNOW, YET THEY APPROVED THE RELEASE. For me, the disappointment of these remasters is they haven't consistently achieved definitive superior sonics. So bonus material aside, and your so called "target market" aside, not enough care has been taken to make these remasters the very best they could be, sonically. To do this, QP would have (probably) needed Hoffman to get the best results. Grab Brian a copy of Hoffman's 45rpm remaster of Rumours. THAT IS HOW REMASTERS SHOULD BE DONE! ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THIS FUCKING WORLD SENSATIONAL. I have four copies because I can't ever bear the thought of not having a pristine version at the ready. |
| Ren Sen 02.08.2011 06:40 |
dysan wrote: At least the singles boxed sets were complete and looked nice. I think I might buy up the ons I don't have just to be perverse. _____________________________________________________________________________ in all honesty, they were not complete as some tracks were missing (Mad The Swine fe) QPL made up rules for how the singles would be released - and yet theyve contradicted themselves in order to include or exclude certain singles or songs . Also strange choices for some of the b-sides, only one ep included,aaaaand two Bo Rap singles ! (why even make rules then?) if it made you happy then thats great :) the artwork does indeed look nice. with QPL its seems either this or that :S I am still convinced this could and should have been much better and more complete boxset. And they might as well had released a vinyl singles box-set .... kept it as original as possible. Maybe Universal is planning on re-releasing it in a couple of years from now. Im not too sure if this would make us all too happy. How about vinyl releases on Universal, what do we know ? Something else wich bothers me is that the new remasters packaging looks like crap tbh. Its ruining the artwork and why would you go for jewel cases anyway?? just take a look at The Beatles Remastered Mono Box-set,it looks just wonderful and had Queen done it this way they couldve make us a little bit happier with the remasters as they are. they did get get the artwork right with the singles. but not with the albums :( very dissapointing! Oh well, at least we have the albums remastered now, enjoy it because they seem to be the only true "BONUS" were gonna get this year. And NO Rhyeking I dont think putting single mixes newly created stem mixes,available live versions (I can go on and on) has ANYTHING to do THEIR quality control and what the fans deserve to hear .... come on 5 tracks per disc! pathetic ! aight, I better pick up my kids from school now ... |
| dysan 02.08.2011 06:42 |
Am I alone in saying the booklets are reallt difficult to remove from the case without ruining? |
| dysan 02.08.2011 06:46 |
PS agreed the singles boxes weren't totally complete - but what's missing? MTS, some previous single A sides tagged on cd singles as B sides in the 90s (seriously, what was that about?) that were included anyway, a couple of 12" mixes. Made a nicer set than these. But £50 was taking the piss. Each would've been nice as a 2 disc set with A side / Bside one after the other and a nice fold out of the different covers. That would've acted as a brilliant Deep Cuts / Best of combined! |
| Ren Sen 02.08.2011 06:59 |
yes, youre of course youre right .... but dont forget that this is QPL :P btw: Im new to Queenzone and Ive read some of your opinions and I think we agree on a lot of things. aaaaargh Jewel cases for example :s greetings ! :) _________ Amanda |
| dysan 02.08.2011 08:09 |
No worries Ren X |
| rhyeking 02.08.2011 08:51 |
To Grateful Fan: The corporate decisions lie in managing the catalogue after the artistic decisions have been made (ie. how to re-issue the albums). Further artistic revision can be applied if changes are made to the original work (adding bonus tracks). Corporate interests must function along side artistic ones at this point. New creative decisions are made when addressing newly released material, including older demos and outtakes. The act of releasing them is an artistic decision, as these will stand alongside their albums. It is here that Queen cannot and should not be compelled merely by fans pressuring them to release it, anymore than fan pressure should dictate how they should record or release an album. You ask whether or not it's a "product" and if that gives you leave to complain about it. I suspect you already know the answer. The question does not address the two principles at work, the art itself and its presentation. A CD of music is not one thing, like box of laundry detergent. It is the medium and it is art. The one is the vehicle for the other. Complain all you want about it if the medium fails and analyse the art to your heart's content. If the release was never intended to address a specific artistic or commercial direction, what do we hope to learn by complaining that it fails to accomplish either? To Ren Sen: It's pretty clear that you want what you want when you want it, like a lot of fans here. To everyone else: I'm curious about when certain fans' interest in the band ceased being about listening to what the band had to say (and how they said it) and became strictly about what these fans' want to hear (and have); the "What have they done for me lately?" attitude. |
| dysan 02.08.2011 09:02 |
I think maybe the while the album continues to be 'art', the expansion of it also needs to be considered archival or historic - even the sleevenotes refer to the meticulous reconstruction of the albums. Therefore they need to stick to rules that respect the original content, add to it, give a more complete picture. That is why that haven't tagged these onto the same disc to muddle the integrity of the original release, which again adds to the disappointment that the bonus discs, while definitely worthwhile and exciting, have been a missed opportinuty for historic complete editions of albums that have become the blueprint for 2000's Rock N Rock. I agree fully about it being the band's choice for the unreleased stuff to see the light of day - that's up to them. But it's weird they don't feel it necessary to celebrate their archives more. I think it's great we are having a super thread about this. |
| tero! 48531 02.08.2011 09:19 |
rhyeking wrote: To everyone else: I'm curious about when certain fans' interest in the band ceased being about listening to what the band had to say (and how they said it) and became strictly about what these fans' want to hear (and have); the "What have they done for me lately?" attitude. ------------------------------------------------------- It's hard to pinpoint an exact time, but it ceased right about the same time they stopped saying anything of importance with their products. GT's list of 40th anniversary events this year highlights just how little they have left to say to us. |
| rhyeking 02.08.2011 09:31 |
I would think that after everything they have given us, they've earned the right to not need to say much more and still retain our respect. Or is respect conditional, maintained only so long as fans get what they want consistently? |
| dysan 02.08.2011 09:47 |
At the risk of repeating things that have be said already, I'd just like a set of 2-disc editions of the albums that collect together all the previously issued supplimental tracks from the sessions and attendent b-sides. I guess like the Queen 1 disc was and the Miracle disc threatens to be. |
| tero! 48531 02.08.2011 10:03 |
rhyeking wrote: I would think that after everything they have given us, they've earned the right to not need to say much more and still retain our respect. Or is respect conditional, maintained only so long as fans get what they want consistently? ------------------------------------------------------------------ They are not our friends or relatives. They have made it perfectly clear that there is nothing more than a business relationship between us, so why should we unconditionally respect everything they release? (And that's still different from respecting them as musicians!) |
| rhyeking 02.08.2011 10:50 |
If you feel that way, Tero, I can't say I blame Queen for not wanting to reward such an attitude by giving you previously unreleased material. They provided you their art. You want more and are annoyed that they are not obliging. Not giving you what you want, however, does not preclude them from continuing to make available the previously issued material in new packaging. |
| Holly2003 02.08.2011 10:58 |
rhyeking wrote: If you feel that way, Tero, I can't say I blame Queen for not wanting to reward such an attitude by giving you previously unreleased material. They provided you their art. You want more and are annoyed that they are not obliging. Not giving you what you want, however, does not preclude them from continuing to make available the previously issued material in new packaging. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh so that's why they do it. Tero be nicer to Queen and they might throw you a bone! lol! |
| rhyeking 02.08.2011 11:32 |
Why else would they do it? If it were about simply making money off the anthology boxed sets, they would have done it already. If they have so much material as we insist they have sitting in the vault, why not gouge us by putting out the studio material, then live material, then the complete videos, then interviews, then documentaries. The excuse that it's just for the money makes little sense when we consider that repackaging the 2011 remasters takes about as much time as dumping the unaltered outtakes and demos onto CDs, photoshopping a sleeve together and putting it out just to get a quick buck, which is what fans are accusing the 2011 remasters of being. Can fans have the argument both ways, that Queen don't care about anything but the money because of what they don't do (issue the anthologies), when what they don't do is missing opportunities to make money whether they care or not? We're drifting close to Catch-22 territory here. |
| Holly2003 02.08.2011 12:09 |
Eh? |
| Ren Sen 02.08.2011 12:55 |
[Amanda puts sarcasm-mode on] "yes of course we shouldnt complain on what they offer us here now" with these shitty new repackaged re-re-remastered albums + bonus tracks wich we pay good money for I mean ..... its us complaining and our money but its their material and their dying legacy ....how dare we !!!! *sarcasm smile* saddened :( |
| rhyeking 02.08.2011 12:57 |
The argument: "...Queen don't care about fans; Because Queen only wants our money; Therefore they only put out what will make a quick buck; They're not putting out the stuff that would make money (the anthologies); Therefore Queen don't care about fans; Yet, Queen only want our money; They only put out stuff to make a quick buck; They're not putting out the stuff that would make money..." See where this is going? |
| TomP63 02.08.2011 13:18 |
Hello fellow Zoners, let me add my thought, first of all, I'm a reader and not a poster, so be gentle. The complete disappointment with te re-issues is that Island basically made the same mistake as Hollywood made 20 years ago. The re-issues done by HR were a complete miss, dreadful remixes, in other words no respect for the real Queen legacy, namely their stunning music. Now EMI never ever did something right with the complete catalogue, and they hád the chance, more than often. Of course I can understand that Island Records want the have all the Queen albums on the market, the music is still the verhicle. But to mark the occassion of 40 years of Queen, Island or whoever was respsonsible for compiling the bonus albums made a horrible mistake. Examples? Many, it is so unlogical to put a live version of In The lap Of The Gods for 1986 it is for it feeling of time, recoding feeling I mean complete out of place, the better could have opted for a 1974 live version, this in the case they wanted a live version of the latter and they wanted it. But an 1986 version is a big, big mistake. In the case of booklets, not that interessting, no extra information of recordingdates, some pictures are stunning. I've been a fan since 1974 and even for me some pictures are completely new. In the case of Sheer Heart Attack there is more unreleased stuff, remember the conventions? And this goes not only for Sheer Heart Attack, this goes for all albums. Look at Hot Space, no extended versions, is this because Roger really hates Hot Space that intense? The Works is a disappointment top notch, we are still awaiting to see the extended versions of KPTOW for the first time on the silver disc, actually there are more extended versions who haven't been released officially on CD, forget the K-Tel release from 1992, this is an album which is far from competed nor interesting. Island had two options released the albums as single discs, but did would not have a big appeal. Or issued the albums completed, so with the orginal album compete and as second disc complete with the official material there is, by official I mean the extended versions, the 12 inch mixes, why stop at 6 or 7 tracks. For me it was nice to finally have a clear remasterd version of the extended version of One Year Of love, or the first draft of Heaven For Everyone which orginates form the 1985/1986 sessions. Filling the bonus disc with live versions to reach the 5 or 6 or 7 tracks is strange choice and make in my humble opinion no sense, and if it's done as teaser for the live albums than still I can't understand it. I know there is so much more to offer. Sorry, but I have the feeling that the albums are a mish mash, here and there some interesting tracks, but oh so inlogical with an occassional Beeb track. This gives the die- hard ( like me, and I think you also) the feeling that there is a bit of a feeling that this is a rip off. Were the albums as double crammed with the bonustracks as aformentiond the whole concept would have been cheered here. Island is following in Hollywood Records footsteps, making quick money and thinking that the Queen fans are a happy lot because there is a batch of CD'S out with some nice bonustracks ahum. I've seen better re-issues, even ABC Lexicon of Love is a better re-releases than Queen ever produced. Looking at the releases of 40 years Queen this is a bit lame and a bit tame. I for one had high hopes, finally The Works album with all the extended versions foor the first time compiled on a CD, well maybe in then years time, and then I'll be 58............... Want to discuss lavish boxsets? Or a complete Beeb Album............... Nah, this is enough for me and maybe enough for you to read my thoughrs. With regards, Tom |
| tero! 48531 02.08.2011 13:19 |
rhyeking wrote: If you feel that way, Tero, I can't say I blame Queen for not wanting to reward such an attitude by giving you previously unreleased material. They provided you their art. You want more and are annoyed that they are not obliging. Not giving you what you want, however, does not preclude them from continuing to make available the previously issued material in new packaging. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me get this straight. The band owes us absolutely nothing because they were kind enough to release their music in the first place, and in return we owe them our unquestionable support regardless of what they do? And the band has no obligation to listen to anything we say or ask of them, but they should stop releasing everything the minute somebody dares to criticise them? I can see why GT likes your opinions... Queen Productions definitely needs more yes-men. ;-D |
| rhyeking 02.08.2011 13:24 |
Ren Sen wrote: [Amanda puts sarcasm-mode on] "yes of course we shouldnt complain on what they offer us here now" with these shitty new repackaged re-re-remastered albums + bonus tracks wich we pay good money for I mean ..... its us complaining and our money but its their material and their dying legacy ....how dare we !!!! *sarcasm smile* saddened :( ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Their legacy is not dying because they've stopped giving you new material or the material your desperately want. The only thing I see dying is the collector's interest in padding their archive so that they can successfully say "Yes, I now have everything! I hate half of it, but I have it and that's what counts." |
| Back2TheLight 02.08.2011 14:20 |
rhyeking wrote: Who are these 2 disc sets directed at, one asks? The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online. What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition. The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though). And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be. Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so. Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then. Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer. If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness). Couldn't fucking agree more...well put my friend! I, like everyone else would love to hear some 'archive' stuff, but they don't have to do shit. They really don't... |
| rhyeking 02.08.2011 14:24 |
Tero! wrote: rhyeking wrote: If you feel that way, Tero, I can't say I blame Queen for not wanting to reward such an attitude by giving you previously unreleased material. They provided you their art. You want more and are annoyed that they are not obliging. Not giving you what you want, however, does not preclude them from continuing to make available the previously issued material in new packaging. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me get this straight. The band owes us absolutely nothing because they were kind enough to release their music in the first place, and in return we owe them our unquestionable support regardless of what they do? And the band has no obligation to listen to anything we say or ask of them, but they should stop releasing everything the minute somebody dares to criticise them? I can see why GT likes your opinions... Queen Productions definitely needs more yes-men. ;-D ++++++++++++++++++++++ As I've said, numerous times, criticize until you're blue in the face, but don't expect it to help your cause in getting what you want. And I'll repeat my position that the band should not be dictated to by the fans on any creative output, including the release of older demos and outtakes. You see it purely as business, supply and demand, and insist that Queen must be in it for the money as well, yet the sheer absence of any kind of anthology on which they could make money must point to a different reason. I don't know why they haven't released any such set (I'm guessing they lost interest in light of newer projects) and I would for love them to do so. Yet, it must be their choice. Why is respecting that choice so hard for people? It's not about accepting everything unconditionally, but understanding that the different releases serve different purposes. Some may succeed and some may fail, but it's not about serving the interests of the seasoned fans. We've come this far because we love the music. When did that stop being enough, that we issue the ultimatum "give us more or you suck"? I'm not here to shill anything Queen puts out. They've released stuff I haven't bought (the Singles Boxes) because the content didn't interest me, the price tag was high and like many here, I believe it was a missed opportunity to include more unique versions over the standard album versions. I said my piece and moved on. If I'm advocating anything now, it's maybe some relative perspective. There are so many stark, black and white views expressed, it seems people fail to see or simply ignore details that don't reinforce their beliefs. I'll happy remind the thread that there may be some grey they're overlooking. Case in point, the 1991 HR remasters. It's easy to say, "Yeah, the remixes sucked, what were they thinking?" when in fact, HR should be applauded for the massive promotional push they made in the early '90s when they acquired the catalogue. The remixes were only a part of that campaign and if they failed, it was a valiant (if misguided) attempt to break into other markets. |
| shamar 02.08.2011 14:35 |
Oh cool. We got DELUXE bonus CD with 1 demo track (of released song) and 6 tracks released long time ago. DELUXE, ha? |
| Back2TheLight 02.08.2011 14:39 |
Basically...the die-hards will simply never be happy unless QPL put out the Anthology...but even after that gets put out, then what's next? Freddie's ashes? Brian and Roger's testicles on a stick? Gimme a fuckin break people. I've been on this forum for years, and it's just more of the same shit...it's plain and simple greed. I realize 98% of you are going to sit here and thrash me for saying this and I could really give a fuck...but believe me when I say Rhyeking has a solid point when he's saying that most of you are unappreciative. They don't owe anybody a damn thing. If you like what they are releasing, great...if you don't, let it go, and don't buy it. It's fucking simple! |
| GratefulFan 02.08.2011 14:54 |
rhyeking wrote: To Grateful Fan: You ask whether or not it's a "product" and if that gives you leave to complain about it. I suspect you already know the answer. The question does not address the two principles at work, the art itself and its presentation. A CD of music is not one thing, like box of laundry detergent. It is the medium and it is art. The one is the vehicle for the other. Complain all you want about it if the medium fails and analyse the art to your heart's content. If the release was never intended to address a specific artistic or commercial direction, what do we hope to learn by complaining that it fails to accomplish either? ============================ Laundry detergent is not one thing. It's a cardboard vessel, which is the medium, and an alabaster ocean of expectation in which Gen Xers once liberated from the washboard are now drowning, held under by bourgeois dreams of immaculate domestic perfection peddled by shark eyed executives on Madison Avenue. Or, thinking about it harder just now, maybe it's just a box of f*&Ing soap. A product offered in exchange for money, JUST LIKE A MUSIC CD. It's beyond silly to say that people shouldn't complain or be disappointed or that music for sale has it's own special rules. There must be better ways to spend an afternoon than arguing a ridiculous position that honestly appears to exist solely as another opportunity for pointless supercilious contrarianism. There's certainly nothing wrong with advocating for the band, disagreeing with critics, or reminding people of the business realities of the music business. It's when you undermine perfectly reasonable disappointment and annoyance relating to Queen product past and present by casting it as 'entitlement' and 'selfishness' and other denigrating nonsense that you utterly jump the shark. It's a product offered for sale, and like other products offered for sale consumers will always have the right to find it too hot, or too cold, not yellow enough, too long, wholly unsatisfying, entirely too polka dotted or what the hell ever. The relationship with this particular type of product can be complex and even emotional, and you should be giving fans more latitude and empathy for their feelings, not less. Everybody recognizes that virtually all the power exists with the band and it's management. The rest of us have only the power to buy or not to buy, as you noted, and the power to complain (whether they buy or not), the latter being a basic and longstanding marketplace mechanism you'd like people to surrender or at least question in this case, for some impenetrable reason. |
| Holly2003 02.08.2011 15:02 |
Jim Beach is on record as saying he doesn;t want to "flood the market" with Queen products, hence the only occasional reissue to ensure a profitable income (in his view). And as stated previously and ignored by the usual suspects, Queen operate now on the principle of least effort for highest profit. (That's not something they've put on record, but simply my conclusion based on observing what they've released over the last decade.) Finally, Brian May is clearly some kind of weird control freak/perfectionist, which means anything that doesn't meet his "blue ray" standards, or anything which isn't played or sung perfectly, won't be released in case it hurts the Queen brand i.e. a CD your granny can buy you for Xmas knowing it won't immediately be thrown in the bin. Queen CDs are therefore the musical equivalent of a Black and Decker cordless drill. Or a Toblerone. Or a golf umbrella. Or a Stephen King book. Or a dvd of Jurassic Park. Or that movie where everyone was wearing lily pads on their feet to walk on water between the hulks of abandoned ships in a dystopian future. What was that called again? Maybe I dreamt it. Seriously, I watched that one night and it's haunted me ever since. Can't find it in IMDB or any film reference book. I've tried asking online film forums but no one has heard of it. Same with another movie about a giant fish in a cave. Pretty sure that one's real as well and I didn't dream it. Still, I am getting on a bit now and it's harder to tell dreams from memories. Anyway, happy to have cleared up why Queen won't release anything interesting, and if anyone knows the name of those films or has had the same dream as I have then get in touch. |
| dysan 02.08.2011 16:23 |
I'm glad that everyone is digging out quotes from Queen or their management. It just shows that while these have satisfied some people they have fallen short of meeting the standard critera of a rock reissue. Even when Bowie's stuff came out in 1999 shorn of its previous bonus material it was figured as a good move as it set up the market for complete anniversary issues etc (which begun in 2002). With Queen this has ended up as the result of a huge boardroom struggle to ensure the remaining Queen parties are happy but with little regard for the Queen legacy. I would rather a complete issue of The miracle but the press release mentions that brian or Roger cringes at some of the 12" mixes that are included, in the same way they ruined the GH2 DVD by refusing to comment on certain videos. Like children. The Queen archivists that post on here were required to advise and give a second opinion. But they didn't. Probably in the same way I wouldn't want to unset the applecart if I worked for them. And we're left with a ruined Queen backcatalogue, like we were in '91, 93/94 etc. And while i'm at it, why ruin the GH1 remaster by mentioning Robbie Williams and Five? I doubt you'll be getting new fans anymore, like I was when GH1 came out the first time around. |
| TomP63 02.08.2011 18:26 |
Correct me if i I'm wrong, but the whole concept of the re-issues are a pile of shit? Incorrect decisions as it comes to fill the bonus CD with live tracks, for what purpose? If they, and I don't care who they really are wanted to release an interesting CD, all they had to do is stick to the concept, release an extra CD with unreleased material, release the extended versions from that period, stick to the basics. A live version from a track from 1986 on a 1974 re-issue is clearly missing a big point. The lack of putting out tracks which rightfully belong on a CD as an extra track is so blattant. There is no sign or even a hint that there will be a proper boxset as which was promised back in 1995 - by EMI back then. There is no sign of a real BBC album. Here and there an BBC track so your catalogue is still incomplete is not very impressive. Not wanted to flood the market was indeed said by Jim Beach, but what they did was release Made In Heaven singles with the occasional Beeb tracks, with the underlined famous words, taken from the forthcoming album Queen At The BBC, which was withdrawn. In the same periode Queen flooded the market with another Greatest Hits and a Queen Rocks and the needless singles. Still they managed to flood the market. Island Records has been given the golden opportunity to do it right this time, they didn't. Maybe they could have opted to hire the knowledge of Simon Duckett in mine opinion one of the few real Queen archivist. Now they have missed the boat big time and just like EMI did is the whole Queen concept nothing more than a milcow, whio can't deliver any fresh milk. |
| flashgordon2011 03.08.2011 00:37 |
Calm down dear, it's better read this . Sorry that is not the topic. Press Release: Live At Wembley Stadium DVD - 25th Anniversary Edition RELEASED ON SEPTEMBER 5TH 2011 September 5th 2011 sees the DVD release of Queen Live at Wembley Stadium. A special 25th Anniversary edition DVD of Queens legendary 1986 concerts, the 2 disc set comes with previously unreleased footage and brand new bonus features. Over one remarkable summer weekend, on Friday 11th and Saturday 12th July 1986, Queen performed two sell out shows at Wembley, concerts which have been widely acknowledged as two of the most incredible rock events ever staged. Now, for the first time, both the Friday and Saturday night concerts can be seen in their entirety on the Anniversary edition DVD, highlighting that no two Queen shows were ever the same. The driving rain of the Friday night show presented its own challenges but failed to dampen the mood or the music, presenting Freddie Mercury with some perfect opportunities to amuse the crowd. The sun shone on Saturday, making it a magical summers evening, as the band showcased everything that made Queen brilliant live. The DVD footage has been restored for the Anniversary edition and the sound has also been remastered with a brand new stereo mix and 5.1 sound. Extras on the DVD include ‘The Magic Tour’, a short feature containing brand new interviews with Brian May and Roger Taylor filmed this year. They reflect back on what was to be their final tour with their familiar intelligence, honesty and brilliant wit and humour. They explain in depth how they would approach planning their concerts and they also reflect on the poignancy of the shows which were to become among the last few performances with Freddie. Queen Live at Wembley Stadium is released on September 5th coinciding with what would have been Freddie Mercury’s 65th birthday. The final five studio albums that Queen released are also re-issued on the same day. “The Wembley concerts in 1986 were the pinnacle for us” says Brian May. “We were at our height band-wise, and Freddie had developed this phenomenal way of dealing with stadium audiences. Being back home in London playing two sell-out nights was such a big, big occasion for us. None of us realised that this would be almost the last time we played together…” Queen’s 1986 Magic Tour had been their most successful to date. Regenerated and reinvigorated by their triumph at Live Aid almost exactly a year earlier, the band were on a 26-date tour of the UK and Europe and after a month out of the country returned home to London to play two defining concerts at the ‘place of champions’, Wembley Stadium. These were to be Queen’s biggest stage, their biggest lighting rig, the biggest screen that not only Queen had performed with, but also that Wembley Stadium had ever seen. For director Gavin Taylor, filming it involved the unprecedented use of no less than 15 cameras and a helicopter to capture the aerial shots. For Freddie it was the start of one very long party. Friends were flown in from New York and ferried from his London home to Wembley in special coaches. It was one of the proudest days of his life. The Saturday show saw a previous wet day turn into one of the sunniest of the year. “It was a perfect day,” says director Taylor. And the Wembley roar went up as Brian, Roger, John and Freddie arrived on stage to the synthesised opening chords on One Vision. For the next 110 minutes Queen played what was undoubtedly one of their most potent concert performances. The two Wembley concerts, along with a hastily added final date at Stevenage’s Knebworth Park a month later, were among Queen's finest moments. “Wembley Stadium was such a special place,” says Roger. “Having played it as part of Live Aid and to come back and play it again was such a blast.” It’s perhaps no surprise that Queen’s hit musical, We Will Rock You, sees the show’s heroes end up at Wembley Stadium, ‘the place of living rock’ for the storming finale where the roots of rock are rediscovered and the rebellious bohemians find their way to recreating the music of the Mighty Queen. Towards the end of Queen’s performance on the DVD Freddie Mercury addresses the audience: “There’ve been some rumours we’re splitting. They’re talking through their *****,” Freddie says. “We’ll be together forever.” “And in a way,” says Brian, “I guess we were. We might not have been a touring band much longer, but we were together as a band right until the end.” “I don’t think anyone expected the Magic tour to be the band’s last dates; things had gone so well and we were already planning the next one,” says Gerry Stickells, Queen’s tour manager. “There was no sense of anything coming to an end”. But as things turned out, Queen only ever played 2 further UK concerts, in Manchester on July 16 and that final concert at Knebworth on August 9. But if ever a reminder was needed of why Queen earned themselves the mantle of best stadium rock group in history, then you only have to turn to this DVD to see Queen live, uncut, and at their ferocious, majestic, best. QUEEN LIVE AT WEMBLEY 25TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION CONTENT DISC ONE Live At Wembley Stadium Saturday 12-07-1986 1. One Vision 2. Tie Your Mother Down 3. In The Lap Of The Gods ... Revisited 4. Seven Seas Of Rhye 5. Tear It Up 6. A Kind Of Magic 7. Under Pressure 8. Another One Bites The Dust 9. Who Wants To Live Forever 10. I Want To Break Free 11. Impromptu 12. Brighton Rock Solo 13. Now I’m Here 14. Love Of My Life 15. Is This The World We Created 16. (You’re So Square) Baby I Don’t Care 17. Hello Mary Lou (Goodbye Heart) 18. Tutti Frutti 19. Gimme Some Lovin’ * 20. Bohemian Rhapsody 21. Hammer To Fall 22. Crazy Little Thing Called Love 23. Big Spender * 24. Radio Ga Ga 25. We Will Rock You 26. Friends Will Be Friends 27. We Are The Champions 28. God Save The Queen * Saturday 12 July 1986 concert only DISC TWO Live At Wembley Stadium Friday 11-07-1986 Bonus Features: • The Magic Tour - approx 12min feature containing new interview filmed with Brian and Roger in 2011. • The Wembley Weekend - approx 25min feature where Brian and Roger describe what went into these legendary concerts filmed in 2003 • Rehearsal - Secretly filmed footage from the bands rehearsal for the Magic Tour. Queen Live At Wembley available on Limited Deluxe 2DVD + 2CD (Digipak) / Standard 2DVD |
| Benn Kempster 03.08.2011 02:19 |
Fuck me - Wembley again. Anyone going to bother buying this? Not I m'lud! |
| flash00. 03.08.2011 02:53 |
There obsessed with wembley 86 like it was the only venue they played at in 86 what a joke!!! we will be waiting another 10 years for there 50th for any kind of anthology box set or they would have nothing to re-re-re-release for the 50th lol. and a no i'll be giving this DVD a miss. Yawn........ |
| Isle0fRed 03.08.2011 03:41 |
Like the Magic album, I'd be buying The Miracle in the 1 disc version, soley because they are completly free of those bonus tracks which were on the EMI versions. I dont like Bonus Tracks |
| dysan 03.08.2011 03:55 |
You crazy! |
| Ron 03.08.2011 04:33 |
I love this forum. All this complaining :) Yesterday I read something similar on a Who forum where they complained about the upcoming Quadrophenia box set. Some people stated that the Who fans are the ones who complain the most about their band.. well.. check out this forum I'd say :D I am also not too happy about the new 2cd albums, but then again, if I were a casual fan, I would really appreciate them. I have similar 2cd albums by other artists which also just have single edits/versions and some b-sides and I love em. Although the packaging is a bit better in most cases. Is it a missed opportunity to not included demos and out-takes on these new re-issues? Maybe. But then again, no-one of Queen Prod ever told us that they would include them on these releases, we did or at least expected that due to the 'deluxe' tag. I prefer to have them in one single place ie in a box, rather then having them scattered over 15 different releases. |
| tero! 48531 03.08.2011 06:07 |
rhyeking wrote: As I've said, numerous times, criticize until you're blue in the face, but don't expect it to help your cause in getting what you want. And I'll repeat my position that the band should not be dictated to by the fans on any creative output, including the release of older demos and outtakes. You see it purely as business, supply and demand, and insist that Queen must be in it for the money as well, yet the sheer absence of any kind of anthology on which they could make money must point to a different reason. I don't know why they haven't released any such set (I'm guessing they lost interest in light of newer projects) and I would for love them to do so. Yet, it must be their choice. Why is respecting that choice so hard for people? It's not about accepting everything unconditionally, but understanding that the different releases serve different purposes. Some may succeed and some may fail, but it's not about serving the interests of the seasoned fans. We've come this far because we love the music. When did that stop being enough, that we issue the ultimatum "give us more or you suck"? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In my opinion it should always be a two-way street. As long as the band has the right to release whatever they want, we have the equal right to say out loud "this isn't what we want". That's not an ultimatum, that's a personal opinion, and the band is free to act on it if they choose. It's still a two-way street, and the band has the opportunity to change their products if they want to. It's also the basis of any business. They are the merchants, and we are a part of the customers. If they are not interested in catering for our needs, they will have to "settle" for the other 95% of their customer base. (There's a LOT more money to be made by selling another million copies of the GH album than there would be in selling 10,000 copies of the anthology!) |
| Ren Sen 03.08.2011 06:33 |
dysan wrote: You crazy! were all crazy now ! :P They couldve played 5 shows at Wembley back in 1986 and have released em all in a huge boxset tomorrow. Queen loves these shows because they are ready to release anytime and any day, if they would need the money or by demand by Universal. its very simple: we all have been listening to Wembley for 25 years! and its time for something DIFFERENT and something DIFFERENT after that release etc etc |
| dysan 03.08.2011 10:11 |
Thinking about it, I'd even have been happy for the HR remixes to the relevant bonus discs, just for the sake of completion. And that's saying something. |
| TheAmazingEvent 03.08.2011 15:41 |
I agree. The deluxe CD should have been all the released stuff, singles, 12", B sides leaving future releases of individual box sets for the more serious fan. |
| dysan 04.08.2011 02:38 |
After all - it's the casual fan who'd have bought the singles and would be aware of the b-sides. Who knows? Maybe they have only ever bought one Queen single and the flipside 'A Dozen Red Roses...' is the song they loved most and then they see this half remembered LP from the 80's is being reissued with extra tracks and they can finally get the song on cd and... oh it's not on there. Maybe a kid in 1989 loved the Scandal 12" mix and its inclusion would swing his purchase on an album he never got at the time? |