| Queenman!! 17.07.2011 10:19 |
Just listen to the karaoke version of AWT. It seems the harmonies at the very end of the song are the same as the opening harmonies from You don't Fool me. Thoughts? So it seems that Freddie did not did any harmonies at all for AWT. Just the vocal sleeve. |
| br5946 17.07.2011 10:58 |
Queenman!! - The harmonies are multi-tracked Freddie, and he did all piano and vocals. It's actually the last song he ever composed. As for your 'You Don't Fool Me' ponderings, here's the story. YDFM was the one of the last songs constructed for Made in Heaven. Freddie recorded the bare vocals for it just before his death - in fact, those vocals may be his second-to-last recording, next to Mother Love. Anyway, about three-and-a-half years later David Richards took this material, added the Winter's Tale harmonies - also recorded in 1991, and looped some bits - that's why there are a few lyrical repeats in YDFM. He got Brian and Roger to do some backing vocals, and Bri, Rog and John added their instruments to the track, and the band had a brand new song. A fantastic song at that. |
| emrabt 17.07.2011 11:07 |
I know I’m in the minority here, but you don’t fool me is a patch work mess, there’s one verse then 3 lines of you don’t fool me’s repeated over and over, a “yeah” randomly pasted in and the harmonies taken from a winter tale. It's the only thing on made in heaven i think sounds incomplete. |
| Wiley 17.07.2011 11:28 |
I think David Richards and the band made a great job with You Don't Fool Me. It's repetitive but when I first heard it I thought it was just Queen's idea of a "Dance" song and it fit with the genre. It was 1995-1996, after all, and it got remixed to death. Still, it's a top track and kudos to Dave for seeing it had potential. The MIH song that I find most repetitive is "Let me live". Eventhough I like it a lot, Freddie's lines repeat over and over again. Had Freddie been able to complete the song, I think we would have had him sing every chorus a bit differently, with other ad libs, going for higher notes each time, etc. Kinda like with other repetitive songs like "Coming soon". |
| br5946 17.07.2011 11:48 |
Wiley - Agreed! YDFM is an absolute BEAST of a track, the second-best song in Made in Heaven, only topped by, oddly enough, A Winter's Tale in my eyes. |
| brians wig 17.07.2011 12:32 |
I wonder if the nutters who detest YDFM are also the same nutters that detest "Hot Space"? |
| master marathon runner 17.07.2011 13:33 |
'You Dont Fool Me' is brilliant, hypnotic, infectious. Non Queen fans in my social circle rated it highly. ' Master marathon runner |
| Queenman!! 17.07.2011 13:59 |
master marathon runner wrote: 'You Dont Fool Me' is brilliant, hypnotic, infectious. Non Queen fans in my social circle rated it highly. ' Master marathon runner =============== I like YDFM but it's not one of my top three favourites. Mainly the guitar part, to me the best solo of Brian, makes the song sound fab. |
| Queenman!! 17.07.2011 14:08 |
br5946 wrote: Queenman!! - The harmonies are multi-tracked Freddie, and he did all piano and vocals. It's actually the last song he ever composed. As for your 'You Don't Fool Me' ponderings, here's the story. YDFM was the one of the last songs constructed for Made in Heaven. Freddie recorded the bare vocals for it just before his death - in fact, those vocals may be his second-to-last recording, next to Mother Love. Anyway, about three-and-a-half years later David Richards took this material, added the Winter's Tale harmonies - also recorded in 1991, and looped some bits - that's why there are a few lyrical repeats in YDFM. He got Brian and Roger to do some backing vocals, and Bri, Rog and John added their instruments to the track, and the band had a brand new song. A fantastic song at that. ======================= Thanks for your input. I still miss Freddie vocals in the part "with the dreams of the world, in the palm of your hand'. Freddie harmonies, if there, are very low in the mix. You mainly hear Brian and Roger doubled and multitracked. Same goes for the lyrics "and the dream of the child, is the hope of the man" I know (source: BBC2 Days of our lives doc) for the MIH album Freddie sung the lines three times and that was it. So I guess these particular lines were not multitracked or doubled by Freddie |
| emrabt 17.07.2011 15:29 |
I wonder if the nutters who detest YDFM are also the same nutters that detest "Hot Space"? ======================= I can't speak for al the nutters, because i haven't been appointed spokesperson, but i can answer for myself. No ========================= The MIH song that I find most repetitive is "Let me live". ======================== 1 minute 12 second of non-repeated vocals from Freddie, the first verse, 2 different courses, then one "PLEASE let me live", one “SO let me live” baby baby, go for it baby, Yeah, take it, oh baby, OOO yeah, OH YEAH, Come on, in your heart oh baby, ALL YOU DO IS TAAAKE. You dont fool me has MORE it's got 1 minute 30 seconds, which can be broken down into two sections, probably two songs, "you don't fool me + verse" and "Mama said". You don't fool me You don't fool me... You don't fool me - those pretty eyes That sexy smile - you don't fool me You don't rule me - you're no surprise You're telling lies - you don't fool me You don't fool me, you don't have to say 'don't mind' You don't have to teach me things I know Da, na na na nah Da na na nah Da na nah... Mmm, mama said be careful of that girl Mama said you know that she no good Mama said be cool, don't you be no fool Yup bup ba ba ba ba da da da dah ! she'll take you, make you and break you Sooner or later you'll playing by her rules Ba ba ba ba bap bap ba baah La la la la la lah |
| Back2TheLight 17.07.2011 16:00 |
I thought You Don't Fool Me was a great song, a fantastic rhythm piece by the band, one of Brian's most clever solos(though I wouldn't say his best), and if someone told me it was actually written by the band as is, and not put together by David Richards and the band, it would have been believed! |
| panasonic 19.07.2011 05:56 |
I still miss Freddie vocals in the part "with the dreams of the world, in the palm of your hand'. Freddie harmonies, if there, are very low in the mix. You mainly hear Brian and Roger doubled and multitracked. ====================================== I must admit I never (personally) understand it when people say "I miss Freddie singing in this or that" because although Frreddie was a fantastic singer, its great to have some variety and hear Brian and Roger sing a part to give it another dimension. Freddie (obviously for good reason) sang the majority of the Queen catalogue so it's not as if there aren't enough Freddie vocal tracks!! A Winter's Tale is the only real example I can think of where it Brian and Roger together without Freddie (obviously they all do backing vocal sections by themselves) doing a large multi-track backing vocal section. It really shows how much they were a part of the Queen vocal sound. Another great example is Mother Love. It gives the song so much more impact when Brian sings the final verse because you know that Freddie wasn't able to do it. That section can bring anyone to tears. |
| Sebastian 19.07.2011 08:45 |
There are several - though not many - cases of harmonies being done without Freddie. Long Away for instance, or Tie Your Mother Down (Fred sings lead there but all harmonies are either Brian or Roger). |
| TyphoonTip 19.07.2011 10:24 |
Sebastian wrote: There are several - though not many - cases of harmonies being done without Freddie. Long Away for instance, or Tie Your Mother Down (Fred sings lead there but all harmonies are either Brian or Roger). ____________________________________ Fairly certain that the harmonies on 'Fat Bottomed Girls' is all Brian as well. |
| Sebastian 19.07.2011 12:04 |
No, they're not: Brian's singing the top part (unusual for him while singing on Queen), Freddie's singing both the middle and low ones. Roger's not there. Of course, there are several Queen songs where harmonies are all by Brian (e.g. Leaving Home Ain't Easy), but Fat Bots is not one of them. |
| Sebastian 06.11.2016 18:33 |
Bump to add a late reply: according to JSS, Fred did sing the harmonies at the end of AWT. I'd assume David Richards then copied them (and probably transposed them) for the YDFM intro. |
| cmsdrums 07.11.2016 02:57 |
There are also some harmonies in the Made In Heaven version of Heaven For Everyone that seem to be mainly Brian, with Roger probably there too, but without Freddie. |
| Sebastian 07.11.2016 09:19 |
Yes, defo. |
| Tattermalion 09.11.2016 04:01 |
You can clearly hear Freddie in the Long Away harmonies |
| ludwigs 09.11.2016 05:22 |
Tattermalion wrote: You can clearly hear Freddie in the Long Away harmoniesFully agree with that! |
| Sebastian 09.11.2016 07:12 |
Yes, back in 2011 I incorrectly thought that song was Fred-less. I've since realised I was wrong. |
| ANAGRAMER 11.11.2016 13:25 |
Sebastian wrote: No, they're not: Brian's singing the top part (unusual for him while singing on Queen), Freddie's singing both the middle and low ones. Roger's not there. Of course, there are several Queen songs where harmonies are all by Brian (e.g. Leaving Home Ain't Easy), but Fat Bots is not one of them.u sure about that? source? |
| Sebastian 11.11.2016 16:16 |
No, I'm not sure as I wasn't there (and even if I were, it could be argued that memory fails, etc). 'Fat Bottomed Girls' has a three-part harmony: the top voice clearly sounds like Brian, double-tracked, as does the middle one (in fact, the middle one is exactly the same that Brian did on stage, whereas Fred took over the lead one and Roger sang a higher one, not present on the record). The bottom voice clearly has Freddie's timbre (you can sort of isolate it via the good old karaoke trick). I can't be sure but I'm strongly inclined to think it's either a double-tracked Freddie (my main hypothesis) or, alternatively, two or all three of them simultaneously (but Fred's voice is certainly far more audible). 'Leaving Home', on the other hand, clearly sounds like Brian (and only Brian) on all the parts. I could be wrong (as I've been many times), but I could also be right (as I've also been many times). |