| JoxerTheDeityPirate 15.07.2011 09:15 |
well,come on,someone had to start a thread its becoming more than just a little story about dodgy emails and Hugh Grant being bugged by the News of the World.. what do you all make of it? i would post links about it but i'd be old and greyer by the end of it and the internet can only contain so much information :-p seems to me as if the House of Murdoch is about to tumble and fall.. |
| Thistle 15.07.2011 09:19 |
Why, what happened? I was too busy listening in to some phone conversations to have heard anything else. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 15.07.2011 09:24 |
^how long you got? seems as if the "fan" and "shit" departments are going to be having a meeting on tuesday now that Ross Kemp's ex wife has finally resigned and the FBI are now investigating the murdochs |
| YourValentine 15.07.2011 09:37 |
I always heard that tabloids are "worse" in England but I was really surprised about the extent of the power of the Murdoch press. Tony Blair's interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN made it so clear that Blair did not even understand why Blitzer was so shocked about the closeness of politicians and press. Apparently, for decades politicians in England thought that freedom of press means they have to court the meanest tabloids and close their eyes to whatever criminal and disgraceful activities these tabloids execute in order to ensure their own re-election. Now they seem to break free of that dependency. It is a good thing they do but it also fills me with contempt to see how little courage so many of them had until now. |
| catqueen 15.07.2011 11:10 |
YourValentine wrote: I always heard that tabloids are "worse" in England but I was really surprised about the extent of the power of the Murdoch press. ehh... yes... |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 16.07.2011 04:16 |
Eunoch Powell [a famous MP] once said that politicians and the press go together like a dog and a lamp post. Murdoch has been cosying up to the political parties since the days of Thatcher and its all coming back to bite the whole lot of them on the arse now,the bigger news is yet to come when the enquiries focus on the police involvement in all this.. as my old man used to say "never trust a copper,they are more bent than all the crooks put together" |
| Holly2003 16.07.2011 05:04 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: the bigger news is yet to come when the enquiries focus on the police involvement in all this.. as my old man used to say "never trust a copper,they are more bent than all the crooks put together" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spot on. As bad as this story has been so far, the police's role in all of this has yet to be fully disclosed. |
| The Real Wizard 17.07.2011 15:40 |
Looks like it has.. link "London police chief quits in phone-hacking scandal" "Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Stephenson denies any wrongdoing. Stephenson has been criticized for hiring Neil Wallis, a former News of the World executive editor arrested last week in the scandal, as a part-time PR consultant for a year until September 2010." Right. After the G20 fiasco in Toronto last year, I have lost almost all respect for police. Nothing surprises me anymore. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 17.07.2011 17:12 |
^the story just gets more corrupt and covert by the day.. tuesday in the house of commons is going to be a farce now though because of all the arrests over the last few days,expect the words "no comment" to feature predominantly in the committee room.. |
| YourValentine 18.07.2011 03:07 |
I agree, Jon. The arrest of Rbekah Brooks will allow her to refuse to answer the tough questions in the committee. Just incredible how the police interfers with the rights of the parliament. One thing I will never understand: why do people pay money to crappy, low, disgusting newspapers who lie at them and why do people watch intolerable crap like Fox News? If nobody bought all this garbage, Murdoch would not be so powerful. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 18.07.2011 04:29 |
^it dates back to the time of Maggie Thatcher,she realised the importance of the press and got very cosy with Murdoch who made her out to be some kind of saint and rubbished everything Labour did in his papers leading up to the General Election.Unfortunatley people were more gullible back then and actually believed that the press were "reporting" instead of just making things up so Thatcher won the election by a landslide and The Sun lead with the headline "the Sun that Won!". ever since then,politicians have been on board with murdoch for they believed that if they had the backing of his press outlets then they stood a better chance of winning and to be honest,its worked for all the people Murdoch has backed [Blair,Major,Cameron] have all gone on and entered Number 10. one of the problems that all of these people are now having is that all their dirty,underhanded,conniving means of getting Murdoch's support is now all coming out into the public domain and i wouldnt be surprised if the repurcussions of it all lead to Cameron facing a tough task of keeping hold of his job for its all starting to lead up to his front door now.. |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.07.2011 05:49 |
Anyone who thinks the police can be trusted needs to ask him/herself one very simple but fundamental question: why were police forces created? The answer is that they were created in the 17th century, out of the army, and the sole reason for their creation was to repress resistance to the collection of taxes. That is it. All other functions, including the fighting of crime, are of later date. In fact, it wasn't until the 20th century that fighting crime officially became the main task. And to this day, the police exists to protect the wealthy from the poor. It really is that simple. If you've got money, they're on your side. If you don't, they're not. |
| Holly2003 18.07.2011 06:28 |
Well the day has come to look out the window for flying pigs (so to speak) or take up skiing lessons in Hell, because just this once I find myself agreeing with the above. And I would go further to suggest that television is a form of propaganda designed to convince the masses that the police are actually interested in solving crime. Take CSI, for example. In CSI, even the lowest bum on the street is treated with respect and huge amounts of time, energy and money are spent in solving the crime. In real life, most police investigations involving ordinary people who are victims of low profile crimes are cursory at best, or ignored completely. The police in England and Wales are pretty bad at crimesolving and they are hopeless at crime prevention. In addition, they are riddled with coruption and institutionally racist. I do my best to avoid the police and the legal system: basically, I do not want to be involved with people who have so much power and so little responsibilty. Think about it: you are probably better educated than ever policeman you will ever meet. Does that fact fill you with confidence that (1) he is allowed to use non-lethal or lethal force if he thinks it's necessary? (and don't forget, whether he is right or wrong, his mates will support his version of events and hang you out to dry); and (2) he will actually be able to help you? If you want a concrete example, google "Ian Tomlinson" to see who and what the police are protecting and how much their interests and yours actually coincide compared to what tv tells you. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 18.07.2011 07:04 |
^i wouldnt be surprised in the least if his name doesn't come up at some stage in this enquiry.. im sure the met would of asked the murdochs cronies to find out what they could on him and his family by any means neccessary..they did it to the Dowler's |
| The Real Wizard 18.07.2011 15:34 |
"Police say Sean Hoare, the whistleblower reporter who alleged widespread hacking at the News of the World, has been found dead. Police said Hoare's death at his home in England was not considered to be suspicious, according to Britain's Press Association news agency." Right... not suspicious at all... link |
| catqueen 18.07.2011 16:34 |
Sir GH wrote: "Police say Sean Hoare, the whistleblower reporter who alleged widespread hacking at the News of the World, has been found dead. Police said Hoare's death at his home in England was not considered to be suspicious, according to Britain's Press Association news agency." Right... not suspicious at all... link I sincerely hope it was a death by natural causes :/ |
| The Real Wizard 18.07.2011 16:44 |
Me too. But I'm also an adult capable of independent thought, and I thereby know there's a 99.9999999% chance that's not the case. It'd be some coincidence if the whistle-blower mysteriously died a week after all this began. Just like Ken Caminiti mysteriously died shortly after telling Sports Illustrated that dozens of baseball players were doing steroids. The government, police and Murdoch's empire all have stake in the outcome. He knew very well he was likely sacrificing his life for this. You do not cross paths with any of these groups of people, never mind all three at once. They will take care of you if you do. |
| Thistle 18.07.2011 16:50 |
Sir GH wrote: Me too. But I'm also an adult capable of independent thought, and I thereby know there's a 99.9999999% chance that's not the case. It'd be some coincidence if the whistle-blower mysteriously died a week after all this began. Just like Ken Caminiti mysteriously died shortly after telling Sports Illustrated that dozens of baseball players were doing steroids. The government, police and Murdoch's empire all have stake in the outcome. He knew very well he was likely sacrificing his life for this. You do not cross paths with any of these groups of people, never mind all three at once. They will take care of you if you do. ============================================================================================= Sad but true. And you can add the Monarchy to that too. Ask Princess Diana.....no, wait..... |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.07.2011 08:10 |
Sean Hoare did have a notable history of drug and alcohol abuse, so I wouldn't dismiss natural causes just yet, but I agree that it *is* suspicious. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 20.07.2011 02:42 |
why are the Murdochs STILL paying the fees of a convicted private investigator/hacker? |
| tcc 20.07.2011 02:57 |
There are really a lot of bad apples in the British police force - they not only have corrupted apples, they also have bad apples who cannot properly guard the place where the MPs question the Murdochs. Amazing ! |
| thomasquinn 32989 20.07.2011 07:54 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: why are the Murdochs STILL paying the fees of a convicted private investigator/hacker? ==== So that he doesn't show the authorities any documents with Rupert Murdoch's signature on them? |
| thomasquinn 32989 20.07.2011 07:56 |
tcc wrote: There are really a lot of bad apples in the British police force - they not only have corrupted apples, they also have bad apples who cannot properly guard the place where the MPs question the Murdochs. Amazing ! ===== I'm not going so far as to say that this was staged, but, taking the security measures guarding parliament into account, this shaving-cream-pie incident was definitely allowed to happen by the security people. Whether it was done as a really stupid attempt to get to Murdoch or as a really clever way of diverting attention from his involvement by his friends remains to be seen. |
| catqueen 20.07.2011 16:11 |
tcc wrote: they not only have corrupted apples, This line is class :D |
| catqueen 20.07.2011 16:12 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: And to this day, the police exists to protect the wealthy from the poor. It really is that simple. If you've got money, they're on your side. If you don't, they're not. That is unfortunately pretty much true :( |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 20.07.2011 16:42 |
its nice to know that if you ever leave a job at News International you are guaranteed a job at the Met Police [and vice versa] |
| Holly2003 22.07.2011 12:20 |
Getting the police to investigate this is a bit like letting the catholic church investigate child abuse by their clergy. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 26.07.2011 11:09 |
Mirror Group have twitched and are now doing an internal investigation into what Piers Morgan was doing when editor there.. |