| Djdownsy 27.06.2011 13:26 |
I'm sorry, but what was Roger thinking when he wrote this song? I know it fits the context of the Highlander movie, but still... Worse, how did he manage to sneak it onto the album? There's no excuse for that! |
| dysan 27.06.2011 14:17 |
A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling is fantastic - was pretty disappointed with what I guess is the 'finished' version. |
| Djdownsy 27.06.2011 14:32 |
It is, sorry, i meant to say that, I think its class, that's why i can't understand why DLYH is so bad! Course it's just my opinion, but i've yet to meet a fan who has ever said DLYH is good. |
| Isle0fRed 27.06.2011 15:05 |
I quite like Don't Lose Your Head. I like the whole A Kind of Magic album in fact, the only thing I hate about the magic album is the bonus tracks. It ruins the pacing for me. |
| master marathon runner 27.06.2011 16:53 |
Whaaaaat !!!! - DLYH is a fine track!! - have you been drinking ? Master marathon runner |
| rhyeking 27.06.2011 18:25 |
I like "Don't Lose Your Head" as well. It's fine. It won't win any awards, but as a cheeky album track, it's cool. If I'd heard "A Dozen Red Roses" first (rather than years later), maybe I'd have thought less of the song, but who knows? I like the atmosphere and feel of both. And I view the two as related, of course, but wholly individual tracks (just like "One Vision" and "Blurred Vision," "A Kind Of Magic" and "A Kind Of 'A Kind Of Magic,'" and "Friends Will Be Friends" and "Friends Will Be Friends Will Be Friends." What I mean is this: I listen to the song and think, "What are the band trying to do? They recorded and released it this way for a reason, so what did they accomplish of what they set out to do?" It doesn't matter to me that, say, "AKO'AKOM'" is essentially an edit of the Extended Version, because by giving it a new name and presenting the way they did, they're effectively saying, "Here's something else we think is worth listening to on its own. It's connected to the album as a whole, even if it's not strictly part of it, and expands on our vision." At least that's how I read it. I think I'll put DLYH on now. I haven't listened to that song in a while. Thanks for reminding me. |
| Hangman_96 27.06.2011 18:31 |
Djdownsy wrote: It is, sorry, i meant to say that, I think its class, that's why i can't understand why DLYH is so bad! Course it's just my opinion, but i've yet to meet a fan who has ever said DLYH is good. ================================================= Well, then you've just met a fan who says DLYH is good - it's me. Really, this song is amazing. |
| john bodega 27.06.2011 21:39 |
It's a pile of 80's shit - a reject from the Electric Dreams soundtrack, surely. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 27.06.2011 22:11 |
I happen to love Don't Loose Your Head. It even took my attention once to the point where I crashed my car, LOL. Really, it could have killed me, believe me. DLYH is pure class synth pop. Queen by then were so awesome, that they could simply decide which would be the style of a song and do it on par with the best on any league. (In this case, the Human League, heh.) I mean, they showed that they could do it as fine as any synth pop act. Fantastic track, really. The only reasons why I would think somebody would not like it would be either the person being too young to understand where it came from or not liking synth pop by then. If the person is about 40 years old nowadays and used to like synth pop, like me, I would say that person would almost automatically love the song. Cheers, Uncle Ogre- |
| john bodega 27.06.2011 22:41 |
If it's good synth pop, then it's the best of an utterly terrible lot. |
| Back2TheLight 27.06.2011 23:24 |
Meh...the song never bothered me, nor was it ever my favorite...I always liked the drums and the synth-bass line, always thought it was kind of a cool rhythm. Lyrics left alot to be desired, as did quite a few of Roger's songs... |
| rhyeking 27.06.2011 23:59 |
It's amusing how Queen discussions can devolve into "synths = bad." I wonder sometimes if classical music enthusiasts get into heated discussions with arguments like, "Yeah, the moment Mozart incorporated chromatic harmony, it all went to shit!" (For those who need this explained, I'm comparing the fans, not the artists.) Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. |
| Rick 28.06.2011 02:09 |
A so-so track. Fred delivers a great performance though and the chorus, if you could call it that, has a nice melody. |
| dysan 28.06.2011 02:55 |
I'd say it is different to the relationship between AKOM and AKOAKOM and One Vision and Blurred Vision - in that it is an entirely different piece presented with a different title rather than a bad play on the title. I can't say I hate DLYH, it's just one of those inessential tunes and I'd have prefered ADRRFMD on the album - at least that goes the whole hog into 80's electro land. Can someone do a mix of it with the vocals to Sheer Heart Attack? I'd love that. |
| ITSM 28.06.2011 07:00 |
It took me some years - about 10 - but now I really like that song! Especially the part with: "Don't drink and drive your car"... |
| malicedoom 28.06.2011 08:03 |
Me, I don't care for DLYH - but cool that someone mentioned Electric Dreams. |
| JamesCore88 28.06.2011 08:20 |
Well, it isn't bad song. The problem is, it has a bad cut. |
| joesilvey 28.06.2011 08:43 |
Roger definitely wrote worse songs than DLYH... i like it as well... |
| GratefulFan 28.06.2011 09:45 |
rhyeking wrote: It's amusing how Queen discussions can devolve into "synths = bad." I wonder sometimes if classical music enthusiasts get into heated discussions with arguments like, "Yeah, the moment Mozart incorporated chromatic harmony, it all went to shit!" (For those who need this explained, I'm comparing the fans, not the artists.) Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. =========================== It's also okay to generally not like music that is dominated by synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner toddler to recognize that you're entitled to your own opinion, but not everybody else's. |
| pittrek 28.06.2011 10:00 |
Well I never really liked it, but I can't say I HATE it. I've heard worse songs, even from Queen (Delilah anybody ?) |
| Russian Headlong 28.06.2011 11:31 |
synth drench shit, no geetars! |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 28.06.2011 11:43 |
Zebonka12 wrote: If it's good synth pop, then it's the best of an utterly terrible lot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL Zebonka LOL Not IMHO... :) Cheers, Ogre- |
| Sheer Brass Neck 28.06.2011 13:21 |
"Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. " True, but Queen playing those instruments sounded like Queen. There was no identity to synths, and for the most part, who played them didn't matter in a band like Queen. The Red Special wouldn't have been the Red Special with John Deacon playing it. Brain May made that sound from his hands. A pre-programmed Oberheim or Yamaha synth with sounds that anybody could use would sound like a pre-programmed Oberheim or Yamaha synth with sounds that anybody could use, from Queen to the Human League to Milli Vaniili, and Queen didn't do enough sonically (of course there are exceptions, but it was mostly basic synth pads and fills on synths, no virtuosity) to make it a big deal in their music so it was a bit of a wash. |
| dysan 28.06.2011 14:27 |
So would you say those who got into Queen in the 80 and 90s and disregard the 70s stuff as early fumbling are not Queen fans? |
| Djdownsy 28.06.2011 14:42 |
I don't hate DLYH because of the dominant use of synths. I mean, ADRRFMD is the same in a sense, and i love that track, i think it's the totally uninspiring lyrics and the overall presentation of the track that I don't like. I would probably place this track as my least favourite tbh. 'Delilah' isn't terrible, i think the only thing wrong with it is the production, it just sounds so out of place. For the record Master Marathon Runner, no, I wasn't drinking (when i put up the thread anyway) ;-) |
| Adam Baboolal 28.06.2011 15:06 |
It's definitely a song I can enjoy. If it comes on during a shuffle, I don't skip it. To me, DLYH is one of those tracks that Queen did which seems different from the norm. Those pounding drums, the bass line, Brian's guitar, Fred's delivery and Joan Armatrading's bit-part in there, too. I like that it wasn't Queen by numbers which sometimes I feel from some Queen tracks in the 80's. Even 16 years later after finding it, I don't feel that differently. It's not for everyone, I guess. In fact, talking about it...I'm remembering a time when I was wanting to cover it in 1999. Dang... memories! Adam. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 28.06.2011 17:00 |
If "so would you say those who got into Queen in the 80 and 90s and disregard the 70s stuff as early fumbling are not Queen fans?" is directed to me, not at all dysan. You like what you like. I generally dislike songs in ad campaigns, but that cell campaign where the girl group sings IWTBF a cappella reminded me of what a great, great song that is, along with Radio Ga Ga and lots of their 80s stuff that aren't in classic Queen style. FWIW though, Queen made its musical name from the first album to Jazz. After that, they made their money and got acclaim but serious music fans without bias would probably not say that the 80s (with or without synths) was the golden age of Queen music. Synths were part of the change they needed, I love their 70s catalogue and think it's art, the 80s had some good songs, but what kept me as a fan was the change, and that was the only constant in the band history. |
| rhyeking 28.06.2011 18:45 |
GratefulFan wrote: rhyeking wrote: It's amusing how Queen discussions can devolve into "synths = bad." I wonder sometimes if classical music enthusiasts get into heated discussions with arguments like, "Yeah, the moment Mozart incorporated chromatic harmony, it all went to shit!" (For those who need this explained, I'm comparing the fans, not the artists.) Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. =========================== It's also okay to generally not like music that is dominated by synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner toddler to recognize that you're entitled to your own opinion, but not everybody else's. ========================== I was being facetious with my point. For example, I used to think anything computer driven, techno or dance wasn't real music ("There are no real instruments here!"), but eventually learned my view was narrow-minded. My point: Life is more interesting when bands broaden their scope, just as it can be more interesting for the listener as well, if they want it to be. I've never said another subjective opinion is wrong, I simply present what might be another way of looking at things. Isn't that why we're here? |
| the dude 1366 28.06.2011 19:21 |
If they can let Freddie put "Delilah" on an album complete with embarassing "meows", then DLYH is a masterpiece |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 28.06.2011 20:23 |
The Dude wrote: If they can let Freddie put "Delilah" on an album complete with embarassing "meows", then DLYH is a masterpiece --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL yeah, rock bands should never meow! Not even once! I ***** Delilah. |
| dysan 29.06.2011 01:34 |
No Sheer Brass Neck I was asking in general. i agree with most of what you've said. Delilah is weak, yes, but it's funny. In the same way Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon is funny. I always thought Headlong was the worst song on Innuendo. And there's one Meow at 2.21 which is excellent. So what is the worst Queen song? 'Fun It' is certainly as lazy as DLYH. Dragon Attack just grates, especially live. As does Son & Daughter without that super second guitar line towards the end. I think it will be a dark dark day when I listen to My Baby Does Me again. |
| mike hunt 29.06.2011 04:15 |
dysan wrote: No Sheer Brass Neck I was asking in general. i agree with most of what you've said. Delilah is weak, yes, but it's funny. In the same way Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon is funny. I always thought Headlong was the worst song on Innuendo. And there's one Meow at 2.21 which is excellent. So what is the worst Queen song? 'Fun It' is certainly as lazy as DLYH. Dragon Attack just grates, especially live. As does Son & Daughter without that super second guitar line towards the end. I think it will be a dark dark day when I listen to My Baby Does Me again. You don't know anything about Queen if you don't like Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon and Dragon Attack....essential queen songs every fan should love.... |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 29.06.2011 06:13 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: "Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. " True, but Queen playing those instruments sounded like Queen. There was no identity to synths, and for the most part, who played them didn't matter in a band like Queen. The Red Special wouldn't have been the Red Special with John Deacon playing it. Brain May made that sound from his hands. A pre-programmed Oberheim or Yamaha synth with sounds that anybody could use would sound like a pre-programmed Oberheim or Yamaha synth with sounds that anybody could use, from Queen to the Human League to Milli Vaniili, and Queen didn't do enough sonically (of course there are exceptions, but it was mostly basic synth pads and fills on synths, no virtuosity) to make it a big deal in their music so it was a bit of a wash. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with most of your reasoning, but I have to disagree with the last part. I sincerily think "Machines" is a real big deal in the crossover between rock and electronic music. It strikes me that the band that did so bad in Hot Space was capable to come up with such a masterpiece. I know many will not agree, but that is how I regard Machines: a masterpiece. This statement comes from a fan of Queen over the past 31 years that also loves electronic and pop music ever since. Brian and Roger as a composing duo were at their peak, ranging from the crossover Machines to plain rock in "I go Crazy". In fact, I dream they would take it on from there and be Queen again. Well, I ramble :) Cheers, Ogre- |
| Djdownsy 29.06.2011 06:58 |
I agree with most of your reasoning, but I have to disagree with the last part. I sincerily think "Machines" is a real big deal in the crossover between rock and electronic music. It strikes me that the band that did so bad in Hot Space was capable to come up with such a masterpiece. I know many will not agree, but that is how I regard Machines: a masterpiece. This statement comes from a fan of Queen over the past 31 years that also loves electronic and pop music ever since. Brian and Roger as a composing duo were at their peak, ranging from the crossover Machines to plain rock in "I go Crazy". In fact, I dream they would take it on from there and be Queen again. Well, I ramble :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree about 'Machines', it was always one of those songs i overlooked on 'The Works', but recently I got very into it, I think it sets off the theme of the album (machines vs. humans), i mean, its hardly a coincidence thats its track 5, the middle track is it? It's actually an essential track for that album. I love when the rototoms come in, class moment. :) |
| dysan 29.06.2011 07:14 |
Mike hunt - I love LOASA, I was using it as a defense for Delilah. I do dislike Dragon Attack LIVE though. That's what I said. |
| tcc 29.06.2011 07:22 |
Besides the music, the lyrics of the song Machines are also very funny. It's like they are showing off their computer knowledge - bytes, megachips, random access memory, disc drive, software and hardware etc. I think they also invented a new word parahumaniodarianised :-) |
| malicedoom 29.06.2011 07:33 |
Just wanted to chime in to defend Delilah. I don't, of course, think it's in any way a 'great' song, but I've always considered it Freddie's attempt to just be goofy and hilarious - and I thought it worked. Brian's 'meow' guitar section still makes me laugh... |
| Djdownsy 29.06.2011 07:37 |
It's software is hardware It's heartbeat is time-share It's midwife's a disc drive It's sex life is quantised It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised Brilliant lyrics. :P |
| GratefulFan 29.06.2011 11:47 |
rhyeking wrote: It's amusing how Queen discussions can devolve into "synths = bad." I wonder sometimes if classical music enthusiasts get into heated discussions with arguments like, "Yeah, the moment Mozart incorporated chromatic harmony, it all went to shit!" (For those who need this explained, I'm comparing the fans, not the artists.) Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. =========================== It's also okay to generally not like music that is dominated by synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner toddler to recognize that you're entitled to your own opinion, but not everybody else's. ========================== I was being facetious with my point. For example, I used to think anything computer driven, techno or dance wasn't real music ("There are no real instruments here!"), but eventually learned my view was narrow-minded. My point: Life is more interesting when bands broaden their scope, just as it can be more interesting for the listener as well, if they want it to be. I've never said another subjective opinion is wrong, I simply present what might be another way of looking at things. Isn't that why we're here? ===================== My warmest congratulations on your journey out of 'narrow mindedness' (just not generally liking synth dominated music to some of the rest of us). I'm looking forward to your journey out of a tendency to gag inducing condescension some day as well. Best of luck. |
| dowens 29.06.2011 21:17 |
I'm going to defend "Delilah" too. I think it's a great track! Is it the best on INNUENDO? No. But it's a nice breather from the depth of the entire album. I'm sure Freddie thought, "ok...we have enough doom and gloom on this album, it's time for some fun." It's a very heavy album, so I think "Delilah" provides great variety. Plus, it seems every Queen album has some "fun" song on there...."Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon," "Bring Back That Leroy Brown," "Good Company," "Millionaire Waltz," and many more. I love DLYH. Actually, there isn't a Queen song I dislike. When I first heard "Modern Times Rock n Roll" I hated it, but now I love it. Unfortunately, I haven't heard "A Dozen Red Roses for My Darling." :( I got excited when I bought AKOM 7" single and it was listed as the B-side, but that was an error. :) |
| tcc 29.06.2011 22:14 |
I also think the song Delilah is very funny. Freddie must have thought that if there was a collection of poems about cats, which inspired a musical about cats, then why can't he also write a song about a cat called Delilah :-) |
| rhyeking 29.06.2011 22:42 |
GratefulFan wrote: rhyeking wrote: It's amusing how Queen discussions can devolve into "synths = bad." I wonder sometimes if classical music enthusiasts get into heated discussions with arguments like, "Yeah, the moment Mozart incorporated chromatic harmony, it all went to shit!" (For those who need this explained, I'm comparing the fans, not the artists.) Synthesizers are not evil contraptions and artists who use them are not uninspired, lazy hacks. It's okay to like the synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner dirty-jeans, weed-smoking hard rocker. There is more to popular music than guitar, drums, bass and piano. =========================== It's also okay to generally not like music that is dominated by synth. It is not a betrayal of your inner toddler to recognize that you're entitled to your own opinion, but not everybody else's. ========================== I was being facetious with my point. For example, I used to think anything computer driven, techno or dance wasn't real music ("There are no real instruments here!"), but eventually learned my view was narrow-minded. My point: Life is more interesting when bands broaden their scope, just as it can be more interesting for the listener as well, if they want it to be. I've never said another subjective opinion is wrong, I simply present what might be another way of looking at things. Isn't that why we're here? ===================== My warmest congratulations on your journey out of 'narrow mindedness' (just not generally liking synth dominated music to some of the rest of us). I'm looking forward to your journey out of a tendency to gag inducing condescension some day as well. Best of luck. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You take me far too seriously. Come on. I mean, really? You're going to turn a lighthearted, if cheeky, observation and turn it into all this? Insults? Using my sincerity to pick a fight? Whatever. |
| john bodega 29.06.2011 23:39 |
I guess if you like shit like this, link then it's a great track. |
| rhyeking 30.06.2011 00:01 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I guess if you like shit like this, link then it's a great track. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I think the similarities are superficial, value judgments notwithstanding. |
| GratefulFan 30.06.2011 07:58 |
rhyeking wrote: You take me far too seriously. Come on. I mean, really? You're going to turn a lighthearted, if cheeky, observation and turn it into all this? Insults? Using my sincerity to pick a fight? Whatever. ============================ You know I might be a bit of a snark once in a while, but I'm an accountable snark. I don't hide my tougher points behind a bunch of self serving crap. On the other hand, your not entirely infrequent ventures into patronizing and insulting drivel is safely tucked behind a screen of 'cheekiness', or being 'lighthearted', and now, god help me, your 'sincerity'. It's precisely that quality that drives me (possibly irrationally) up a tree with you. At least one of us takes you too seriously, but I'm not completely convinced it's me. |
| ITSM 30.06.2011 10:13 |
I'm one of those who really like "all of them"; -Cool Cat -Pain is so close to pleasure (-Don't lose your head) -My Baby does me -Delilah |
| john bodega 30.06.2011 10:16 |
Yeah but Cool Cat was actually pretty great. Perfect makeout music really; although the only Queen song anywhere near long enough for that purpose is Track 13. |
| rhyeking 30.06.2011 10:31 |
GratefulFan wrote: rhyeking wrote: You take me far too seriously. Come on. I mean, really? You're going to turn a lighthearted, if cheeky, observation and turn it into all this? Insults? Using my sincerity to pick a fight? Whatever. ============================ You know I might be a bit of a snark once in a while, but I'm an accountable snark. I don't hide my tougher points behind a bunch of self serving crap. On the other hand, your not entirely infrequent ventures into patronizing and insulting drivel is safely tucked behind a screen of 'cheekiness', or being 'lighthearted', and now, god help me, your 'sincerity'. It's precisely that quality that drives me (possibly irrationally) up a tree with you. At least one of us takes you too seriously, but I'm not completely convinced it's me. ===================================== Let it go. I'm not getting into it with you. In the future, anyone unclear as to my meaning or point of view in a post need only ask. We all need to curb the the passive aggression in these threads, myself included. |
| malicedoom 30.06.2011 15:33 |
Another vote for My Baby Does Me. I've always liked that one. |
| Djdownsy 30.06.2011 19:52 |
Cool Cat, now theres another one i didnt like initially, but then got really into. :) |
| Rick 01.07.2011 02:33 |
Delilah is good enough for the guitar work alone. Yes, the song itself is not that strong, but the guitar parts are just effing brilliant. |
| Your Fairy King 08.07.2011 17:14 |
Don't Lose Your Head never bothered me, it's not great, but I don't skip this track when I listen to AKOM. I find Friends Will Be Friends to have the most insufferably trite lyrics in the entire Queen catalog and always skip this track. But don't hate me, it's just my opinion. |
| tcc 08.07.2011 19:25 |
Your Fairy King wrote: Don't Lose Your Head never bothered me, it's not great, but I don't skip this track when I listen to AKOM. I find Friends Will Be Friends to have the most insufferably trite lyrics in the entire Queen catalog and always skip this track. But don't hate me, it's just my opinion. I think many people do not find the lyrics of Friends Will Be Friends to be convincing but this is just because of our experience. Freddie and John had good friends and therefore could write such lyrics. The band members were good friends with each other. Mary was a very good friend of Freddie. |
| mooghead 09.07.2011 16:14 |
tcc wrote: Your Fairy King wrote: Don't Lose Your Head never bothered me, it's not great, but I don't skip this track when I listen to AKOM. I find Friends Will Be Friends to have the most insufferably trite lyrics in the entire Queen catalog and always skip this track. But don't hate me, it's just my opinion. I think many people do not find the lyrics of Friends Will Be Friends to be convincing but this is just because of our experience. Freddie and John had good friends and therefore could write such lyrics. The band members were good friends with each other. Mary was a very good friend of Freddie. You are an idiot, John very often wrote songs about fictional characters. Believe it or not... not all Queen songs are autobiographical... |
| tcc 09.07.2011 20:00 |
mooghead wrote: tcc wrote: Your Fairy King wrote: Don't Lose Your Head never bothered me, it's not great, but I don't skip this track when I listen to AKOM. I find Friends Will Be Friends to have the most insufferably trite lyrics in the entire Queen catalog and always skip this track. But don't hate me, it's just my opinion. I think many people do not find the lyrics of Friends Will Be Friends to be convincing but this is just because of our experience. Freddie and John had good friends and therefore could write such lyrics. The band members were good friends with each other. Mary was a very good friend of Freddie. You are an idiot, John very often wrote songs about fictional characters. Believe it or not... not all Queen songs are autobiographical... Don't lose your head....over this....seriously ! |