| rhyeking 22.06.2011 23:18 |
I was just watching the "Days Of Our Lives" documentary and (no irony intended) the segment about the Innuendo album and Freddie getting sicker reveals the clapboard date for his performance in "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" as "30th May '91." Whether this was his only day on set or one of several I cannot say, however I know that Brian was in the States and Canada promoting Innuendo by this point and shot his footage after. I thought it was worth pointing out, particularly having the date of the 22nd of May noted by some as the possible last day Freddie recorded material for what would become the Made In Heaven album. That Freddie was up and around shooting a video a week later seems to me to now put this 22nd date into doubt. Thoughts? |
| plumrach 23.06.2011 01:12 |
According to various sources he carried on reccording till around late September early October |
| john bodega 23.06.2011 03:40 |
There are too many contradictory answers. I'd kind of hoped that the documentary would spell it out a bit more succinctly. |
| rhyeking 23.06.2011 10:13 |
Well, it doesn't exactly answer when he stopped recording, but gives us an exact, specific date for when he was still working. Other footage from that video shoot shows him fairly active and engaged in the process (standing around with Roger, watching video playback of his performance and commenting on it), so it might be fair to say he was still healthy enough to work, despite being very sick. I'm guessing he worked, at the most, until around October. |
| Back2TheLight 23.06.2011 12:04 |
If he was working until September/October of 1991, and Mother Love was his supposed 'last vocal', and was recorded in May of 1991, then where is everything else he was working on and/or what exactly was he working on? |
| Bohardy 23.06.2011 12:18 |
Didn't Jim Beach in that recent interview say Fred was working/recording up to 4 months before his death? That would mean he stopped working in July of 91. I feel inclined to believe Jim's word over anything else I've read about this. Given the evidence Rhye's pointed out, it seems very reasonable to say that Fred's health allowed him to continue working, out of the public eye, just for another couple of months after the TATDOOL shoort. |
| Back2TheLight 23.06.2011 19:09 |
Even that is believable as well, but there are so many contradicting points of view. Brian is saying the last time he worked with him was Mother Love. Ok, I can buy that. That being said, it's believed that Freddie's vocal for Mother Love was recorded in May of 91. So June and July 1991 produced what? That's two months time, and even for someone that had almost no energy, certainly something was done in the studio, yes? Forgive me, I'm just thinking out loud... |
| rhyeking 24.06.2011 01:18 |
Well, here are a few more dates to keep in mind: Late-May had Brian in North America promoting the Innuendo album for a few weeks, probably into June. He was back by mid-June, because that's when the ad agency Ogilvy & Mather asked him to do "Driven By You." The ads ran in July. Between March and July, The Cross recorded Blue Rock, which I imagine occurred simultaneous to the Made In Heaven Freddie sessions. If Freddie was that ill, it's likely that he wasn't in the studio every day, so Roger had time to work with The Cross and Brian had time to record the two TV versions of "Driven By You," then the album version and two versions of "Just One Life" in the summer. The Cross was on the road in September and October (mostly October). |
| Martin Packer 24.06.2011 03:09 |
@bambams-paradise But Mother Love was unfinished - at least by Freddie. :-( I doubt he'd sing the first two verses and then go and sing something ELSE. So maybe "worked" means "doing something other than singing" (very possible) or maybe he didn't come back at all to do ANYTHING. Personally I think the latter. :-( Martin |
| Back2TheLight 24.06.2011 05:17 |
Martin Packer wrote: @bambams-paradise But Mother Love was unfinished - at least by Freddie. :-( I doubt he'd sing the first two verses and then go and sing something ELSE. So maybe "worked" means "doing something other than singing" (very possible) or maybe he didn't come back at all to do ANYTHING. Personally I think the latter. :-( Martin That is quite possible, certainly. I guess I personally have a hard time trying to figure out exactly what is what here. Roger said in the new documentary that the sicker he got, the more drive he had to record as much as possible. I believe that to be true. I just have a hard time believing that Mother Love and A Winter's Tale was all that was all that was recorded and produced in that time frame, being that Queen was comprised of four extremely prolific writers, who loved to make music. Freddie wanted to sing as much as possible, given that he knew he didn't have much time left, and within the constraints of his disease, it made his physical limitations difficult. But not impossible. Jim Beach is also saying that Freddie worked until 4 months before he died...well, ok, that to me seems realistic. Does anybody else see where I'm coming from, or am I just completely out of my box? |
| Back2TheLight 24.06.2011 05:24 |
Zebonka12 wrote: There are too many contradictory answers. I'd kind of hoped that the documentary would spell it out a bit more succinctly. My thoughts exactly... |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 24.06.2011 06:59 |
I thought that the BM shot in the video was a sperate take. After he came back from the USA. When you watch the video , BM isn't seen on the band shot at 1.10 min. But he is always blended with FM when he playes a solo. |
| Bohardy 24.06.2011 07:56 |
Where does the suggestion, or even better the evidence, come from that Mother Love was recorded in May? I know there's been tremendous debate about whether ML or AWT was the last thing Fred recorded, but where does the recording date (for either) of May come from? |
| Adam Baboolal 24.06.2011 09:15 |
Interesting read. Didn't someone post a week or so ago that Jim Hutton's book had said AWT was November/December 1990? I believe peeps here came to the conclusion it would fall near the end of Innuendo's production and manufacturing time. With that said, surely that rules out anything to do with AWT. Also, why is everyone disregarding Brian's account of Mother Love? He said it in 1995 and now in 2011 - Freddie was too tired to do any more and said he'd come back, but never did. Adam. |
| last-horizon 42265 24.06.2011 12:27 |
TATTOOL was shot on 30th May 1991. Brian's footage is from a later date due to the fact that at the time of the F/R/J shooting, he was in the US promoting Innuendo (that's where the famous "Innuendo" US Tour radio shows come from). A Winter's Tale was the last ever song Freddie wrote. Mother Love was the last ever song Freddie provided vocals to (what Brian says in the documentary might explain why he sings the last verse). However, I was not present at the TATTOOL shooting, neither with Freddie while he wrote AWT nor at the studio when he recorded Mother Love, so don't ask me to proove anything. I just state all this from learning from the past. Having been a Queen fan for over two decades, I have a lot of useless information in my memory. :-) |
| malicedoom 24.06.2011 13:01 |
When Made In Heaven was first released, I read (somewhere...) that Mother Love was recorded in September, '91. Now if I can only remember where I read that - Intl. Fan Club maybe? I still have the issues from back then - will have to check sometime... |
| Back2TheLight 24.06.2011 17:46 |
Everyone read that...everyone thought the same thing too, myself included. If you see Champions of the World, right about the time David Richards is talking/explaining about Made In Heaven, you see the paper as to when Mother Love was started, which was May of 1991, which destroyed all the rumors about it being recorded in Spetember of that year. Another thing...not too long ago, I was listening to a David Richards interview from 2006, and he was saying that Freddie recorded about '4, possibly 5 songs' in that little time frame. Now there's AWT, which I'm thinking was recorded in early '91, You Don't Fool Me, which wasn't really a song supposedly, and Mother Love. That leaves a few more, does it not? |
| Back2TheLight 24.06.2011 17:50 |
This is the interview I'm referring to by the way...it's a couple minutes in... link |
| And91 24.06.2011 21:39 |
When Roger said in the documentary that Freddie's voice was getting thinner and he could not reach some notes, maybe it mean it took a long time to record vocal parts of "AWT" and "ML". Freddie might have taken months to get a satisfactory take. Do not forget that he was a perfectionist. Brian said Mother Love was recorded line by line, which means they taken a while to finish just a little part of the song. Maybe they have another songs in the vaults wich Freddie recorded in 91 but the vocals aren't in good quality (voice cracks and cannot reach some notes) and Freddie may have said to others to not use on a future album. |
| plumrach 25.06.2011 04:16 |
Brian has also said previously that the 4 of them pretty much lived in montreux for several months of 1991 and freddie would go into the studio whenever he felt well enough From Jim Huttons book Freddie came back from montreux at the beginning of November but it seems that particular trip wasnt to do any vocals only for freddie to make a decision on stopping his meds I still think he was maybe recording upto around September but i doubt Brian would give a definitive answer |
| TyphoonTip 25.06.2011 04:48 |
When Roger said in the documentary that Freddie's voice was getting thinner and he could not reach some notes, maybe it mean it took a long time to record vocal parts of "AWT" and "ML". Freddie might have taken months to get a satisfactory take. Do not forget that he was a perfectionist. __________________________________ He said his voice was thinner "...but he could STILL hit the notes." |
| MercurialFreddie 25.06.2011 12:55 |
Brian stated in the documentary (Days of Our Lives - the new one) that they had each line of Mother Love sung by Freddie 3 times. From Queenonline.com [section : albums -> Made in heaven] "Freddie was later to comment that despite his increasing physical deterioration, he was hugely thankful that his voice had somehow remained !!unscathed!!. No-one disputes that one of rock music's greatest and most powerful voices ever sounded better than on this last album." I respect Roger's statement but I cannot agree with him. When I always listen to Mother Love, I hear "late 80s" Freddie, his voice in its richness. |
| Back2TheLight 25.06.2011 14:09 |
I think Freddie's voice only got better as the years went on...during some of the tours, his voice was messed up at times, but we've already been down the road. I think the Barcelona project was a turning point for Freddie, vocal-wise. But can you honestly say that you could hear Freddie doing that middle-eight in Mother Love back in 1986? Or even the vocal part for The Show Must Go On in 1986? Not a chance. Freddie was a great singer even then, no doubt, but his range just got better and better with the years, even if it was an 'ailing voice'. |
| john bodega 26.06.2011 08:19 |
"But can you honestly say that you could hear Freddie doing that middle-eight in Mother Love back in 1986? Or even the vocal part for The Show Must Go On in 1986?" Of course he could - but it would've been tonally different. What people often perceive to be Freddie losing/gaining range is really only a change in tone. Even in 1984, when you could make the strongest case for him 'losing range', he was still capable of hitting the same notes - it just sounded different. Every note in Mother Love or Show Must Go On had been equaled (or surpassed) by our man Mercury, before those songs were recorded. Having said that, the songs would've obviously sounded different if they'd been done 5, 10, or 20 years earlier. |
| OneTrackMind 26.06.2011 19:15 |
I think Roger was right to an extent. Freddie's voice did sound thinner, but only on certain songs. I thought he was the same old Freddie on everything on The Miracle, personally. Certain songs on Innuendo, his voice sounded a little thinner definitely. The Hitman, TATDOOL, Delilah.. But curiously, Innuendo and Show Must Go On sound like the same old Freddie to me again. I dunno if he was just having good days while recording those or gave them a little more effort. As for Made in Heaven, obviously he sounded very frail in a Winter's Tale, You don't fool me etc. But funnily enough, as someone else mentioned, Mother Love sounded amazing vocally, and that was the last one he recorded. Either way, he a vocal monster right 'till the end. |
| John.Simon 04.02.2012 05:30 |
These are the days of our lives Recorded:30th may 91 and 1th june 91 |
| Stelios 04.02.2012 13:20 |
"Roger said in the documentary that Freddie's voice was getting thinner and he could not reach some notes" When did he say that? I think wat he said is " I can hear the ailing voice altought HE STILL HITS THE NOTES". I am refering to Days of our lives documentary. |
| Gregsynth 04.02.2012 18:45 |
STELIOS wrote: "Roger said in the documentary that Freddie's voice was getting thinner and he could not reach some notes" When did he say that? I think wat he said is " I can hear the ailing voice altought HE STILL HITS THE NOTES". I am refering to Days of our lives documentary.He said: "I can hear the voice is getting thinner." Then says it was an ailing voice but still hits the notes! |
| John.Simon 06.02.2012 12:41 |
These Are the Days of Our Lives clip was filmed in May and early June 1991 |
| John.Simon 08.02.2012 10:44 |
The last song he wrote was Freddie and Winter's Tale, which was in January 1991. And according to Brian May's mother was the last love curls in June 1991 and October or in November 1991 I told Freddie to not feel that now I have to take a break and come back and finish it eventually returned. |
| Gaabiizz 09.02.2012 13:57 |
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| Gaabiizz 09.02.2012 13:58 |
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| princetom 09.02.2012 14:40 |
John.Simon wrote: according to Brian May's motherbrian's mother ??? wtf ? "queen+brian's mom". spring 2013, i tell you! :-) wait. she ain't living anymore, does she ? dammit. I told Freddie to not feel that nowpriceless! *rofl* I told Freddie (...) I have to take a break and come back and finish it .so you didn't, did you ? y didn't you do ? is there a chance you may ? PLZ PLZ PLZ stop posting here unless you have to say anything useful. or anything at all. ahja... what is a "lost love curl" ? did i miss sth. in my sexual education ? nevermind... greetz, |
| princetom 09.02.2012 14:42 |
(sry, double post!) |
| Voice of Reason 2018 10.02.2012 09:12 |
Where was the Days of our Lives video filmed please? |
| John.Simon 20.02.2012 11:45 |
The composition was recorded May 30, 1991 and Freddie finished it in June 1991 but I'm not sure if that's a fact |
| Winter Land Man 24.02.2012 06:39 |
princetom wrote:Hahaha, the joke about sex ed,John.Simon wrote: according to Brian May's motherbrian's mother ??? wtf ? "queen+brian's mom". spring 2013, i tell you! :-) wait. she ain't living anymore, does she ? dammit.I told Freddie to not feel that nowpriceless! *rofl*I told Freddie (...) I have to take a break and come back and finish it .so you didn't, did you ? y didn't you do ? is there a chance you may ? PLZ PLZ PLZ stop posting here unless you have to say anything useful. or anything at all. ahja... what is a "lost love curl" ? did i miss sth. in my sexual education ? nevermind... greetz, |
| pittrek 24.02.2012 06:57 |
John.Simon wrote: These Are the Days of Our Lives clip was filmed in May and early June 1991 bullshit and you know it |
| Gaabiizz 24.02.2012 08:51 |
link , mix b/w and color!! |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 27.12.2012 17:50 |
Hmmmm rewatching older topics. The shooting date for tatool was 06/26/91 indeed without BM !! |
| GT 30.12.2012 01:55 |
'These Are The Days Of Our Lives' video was filmed at Westway and Limehouse Studios. FM, JD and RT were filmed on 30th May 1991. Brian was not at this shoot as he was promoting the 'Innuendo' album on radio throughout the USA. Brian later filmed his parts separately on 15th June 1991. The date of 26th June is when the promo video was completed. |
| zippo112 30.12.2012 03:32 |
Here are some interviews from the set of These Are The Days Of Our Lives link |
| cmsdrums 30.12.2012 04:22 |
pittrek wrote:Mmmm - time for an apology maybe Pittek following GT's confirmation?!!John.Simon wrote: These Are the Days of Our Lives clip was filmed in May and early June 1991bullshit and you know it |
| bobbyo 01.01.2013 05:31 |
It must've been a tough experience for all. Surreal even. |
| john bodega 02.01.2013 10:38 |
"Mmmm - time for an apology maybe Pittek" At the time, the john.simon idiot was posting a lot of false information on the forum - basically to piss people off. I think Pittrek was probably just knee-jerk reacting. The May shooting date (and the fact that Brian's bit was done after) has been a matter of public record for a long time. |
| Sebastian 03.01.2013 14:52 |
bambams-paradise wrote:you see the paper as to when Mother Love was started, which was May of 1991, which destroyed all the rumors about it being recorded in Spetember of that year.Not really. It could've been STARTED OFF in May 1991 and FINISHED years later (in fact, it was). Fred-wise, sessions could've BEGUN in May and ENDED months later. |