| ole-the-first 23.04.2011 09:31 |
So who is this lucky man who've got it? Will he share this unique edit? |
| Dane 01.05.2011 13:36 |
If you're referring to the French edit of BoRhap.. it's not that special. It's the same mix as the original, just without any operatic parts. I can remake this mix in high quality.. or does that miss the point of having a digital version of this edit? besides.. I dont think Im allowed to share an edit of officially released material. what's the deal here? |
| pittrek 01.05.2011 14:36 |
Do you have it, Dane ? I wouldn't mind hearing an ACCURATE re-creation of the edit, but it MUST BE ACCURATE |
| ole-the-first 01.05.2011 15:13 |
Dane wrote: If you're referring to the French edit of BoRhap.. it's not that special. It's the same mix as the original, just without any operatic parts. I can remake this mix in high quality.. or does that miss the point of having a digital version of this edit? besides.. I dont think Im allowed to share an edit of officially released material. what's the deal here? ========== If you've got this edit in ORIGINAL, please write me at oleggolubkin@rambler.ru I think we can reach the agreement! |
| Dane 04.05.2011 15:36 |
Here comes the 'I cant seem to find it anymore' story, and for that i am sorry. doesnt matter anyway, because the edit i had sounded nothing like the versions posted on youtube.. so i am at a loss. If anyone has even a very crappy quality version of this edit they could send it to me. and I'll 'remaster' it :) |
| John S Stuart 07.05.2011 06:23 |
link ole-the-first: So who is this lucky man who've got it? Will he share this unique edit? However; as we can all see, this single actually sold for £835.00 - so despite whatever language you speak - that is a *LOT* of money! Personally, I was not the winning bidder, but why is it that when something sells for this sort of sum, there are those who *dare* ask "Will he share this unique edit?" and (worse still) believe they have every "right" to do so... WHY? If someone has *paid* silly money to listen to this record, personally, I would not expect any freebies from that collector - nor would I have the brazen cheek to ask! Likewise, if I bought this disc, why would I feel the need to share it - because a large part of this record's value *IS* it's uniqueness. Remove that (ie spread the track electronically) and the record will undoubtedly lose its value. What I want to do here is spark a debate. I do want to act as devil's advocate, but simply why, where, and when did this "begging" mentality begin, and why do some folks feel that they have the God-given right to freebies, when they themselves are unwilling to put their own hands in their own pockets? |
| mooghead 07.05.2011 06:56 |
I guess if you don't ask, you don't get. |
| ole-the-first 07.05.2011 07:13 |
John S Stuart wrote: link ole-the-first: So who is this lucky man who've got it? Will he share this unique edit? However; as we can all see, this single actually sold for £835.00 - so despite whatever language you speak - that is a *LOT* of money! Personally, I was not the winning bidder, but why is it that when something sells for this sort of sum, there are those who *dare* ask "Will he share this unique edit?" and (worse still) believe they have every "right" to do so... WHY? If someone has *paid* silly money to listen to this record, personally, I would not expect any freebies from that collector - nor would I have the brazen cheek to ask! Likewise, if I bought this disc, why would I feel the need to share it - because a large part of this record's value *IS* it's uniqueness. Remove that (ie spread the track electronically) and the record will undoubtedly lose its value. What I want to do here is spark a debate. I do want to act as devil's advocate, but simply why, where, and when did this "begging" mentality begin, and why do some folks feel that they have the God-given right to freebies, when they themselves are unwilling to put their own hands in their own pockets? ============ Actually I don't think that this stuff is so unique, this is just an official edit of the official song. Anyway, I still think that there IS some sense if not to share it, but at least to put this edit into collectors' circle, what I have suggested later. I will be glad to swap this edit to any demos from my collection, although unshared demo stuff, even in bad quality, is more worthy than official edit of the official song. |
| Dodger Taylor 08.05.2011 01:11 |
Im not sure sharing it would necesarily reduce the records value that much as the sort of person that pays that amount of money would still have bought it even it the track was circulated.Its about having that valuable piece of plasic that few others have. Having said that Im not asking the owner to share it as like you quite rightly say,he paid alot of money to own it and should do with it as he pleases. |
| people on streets 09.05.2011 05:57 |
This so called unique edit has been circulating amongst traders for ages. Nothing special really. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 09.05.2011 08:49 |
Pssssssstttt here is a little secret don't tell please : Rumour has it that their is a live version of this edit availbe , you can find it on a obscure album called live magic.... It is the same trash idea and songtext as on the french buttchered version. Nothing special to want. When you recieve it you will be dissapointed ! |
| people on streets 09.05.2011 09:41 |
:-) |
| pittrek 09.05.2011 12:19 |
people on streets wrote: This so called unique edit has been circulating amongst traders for ages. Nothing special really.Maybe, but for us "I Want It All" collectors, every different edit has a special value :-) |
| MERQRY 09.05.2011 22:24 |
The version that i have of these "edit" hasn't the intro and the opera part... Strarts with the piano part and mama just killed a man and after the solo (and the 4 o 5 piano beats) starts with the Hard rock section till the end of the song with the gong... It's a 7" single,too but since it hasn't the cover i don't know if is this french edit or any other (Official or Unofficial) edit... |
| bigV 10.05.2011 01:18 |
Over the years I've come across two different edits of the track. The one is 3:04 in length - I think we all have that one and most of us would agree that it's a pretty good fake. Here's the other one: link Also a fake I think. I'm with pittrek on this one. Any official edit is significant. And this one even more so, because it's the only official edit of this particular song AND because it was edited by John Deacon. V. |
| Rick 10.05.2011 04:28 |
The Hot Space test pressing with Cool Cat featuring Bowie is also rare, but the song itself isn't. |
| people on streets 10.05.2011 07:18 |
my point exactly |
| people on streets 10.05.2011 07:21 |
pittrek wrote: people on streets wrote: This so called unique edit has been circulating amongst traders for ages. Nothing special really. Maybe, but for us "I Want It All" collectors, every different edit has a special value :-) ___________________ Ah yes. Collectors. I used to be one of them. Strange people ;-) I have sent you a mail btw. |
| John S Stuart 10.05.2011 10:05 |
I think you have all missed the point of my reply... Ole wrote just two sentences: "So who is this lucky man who've got it?" "Will he share this unique edit?" Perhaps it is just me, or perhaps it's a generational thing, but why not quit after the first sentence - after all, you had my full support with that one. I do not own this 7" single, but I would take it for granted that it is now the buyer's property - and I would never dream that the final bidder should share this track. S/he paid a lot of money for that privilege, and it seems to me that the biggest begging demands come from those who are either too tight fisted to put their own hands in their own pockets - or else, if they DID own something exclusive they would expect the earth in return. This is not a rant - and I agree it may be generational, but how I hate it when (I presume) newbies, and the younger generation, who have purchased very little music in their lives expect all music (Official or otherwise) FREE, because the internet has allowed this to happen via P-2-P. In my day the solution was simples. If you wanted "See What A Fool.." or "A Human Body" you bought the single. If you did not, then you certainly did not complain against the guys who did, and one would never expect them to share. Perhaps it wasn't only Queen the band who lost their dignity after Freddie's death - perhaps their fanbase lost theirs also? |
| people on streets 10.05.2011 11:12 |
In your days there was file sharing too. Cassette copy trading was huge. You know that. Nothing has changed, except the media thru wich the file is being swapped among fans. Welcome to the 21ste century. |
| Dodger Taylor 10.05.2011 11:52 |
people on streets wrote: In your days there was file sharing too. Cassette copy trading was huge. You know that. Nothing has changed, except the media thru wich the file is being swapped among fans. Welcome to the 21ste century. True "file" sharing has always existing in one form or another BUT the internet has made it so much easier to just google and find just about anything.Before you had to hunt down those elusive tracks which to be honest was half the fun.Id much rather rumage thru a huge selection of old vinyl in hope of finding a hidden gem than just clickin a button and have it all done for me.But like you say thats the 21st century. I guess the age of "wanting something for nothing" has become the norm.Its not just in people expecting others to share theyre highly sort after tracks.No one even seems to want to work to earn money anymore,they just expect to sit on theyre arses n collect hand outs. |
| bigV 10.05.2011 13:57 |
I think some people here are overreacting just a bit. The guy asked two questions: Who won the bid? Will he share or at least describe the edit? Most of us have been curious about this edit for a very long time. And not all collectors share your point of view about sharing, John. Some believe that the item itself is valuable, not the actual track. If you or someone like you won the bid, we respect that and I can't speak for everyone here, but I would not pressure anyone into sharing what they do not want to. It's your right. Here's a question for you John and like-minded people: Would describing the edit decrease the record's value? Anyways, I don't think that anyone here won that bid. I'd bet a small amount that it was one of the members of the band. They probably paid 800 quid for it, just to destroy the bloody thing in an attempt to erase any record (pardon the pun) that the edit ever existed. V. |
| malicedoom 14.05.2011 18:37 |
I'd love to tell you it was me. Unfortunately, I was outbid. But I gave it a shot. :( Maybe someday... |
| John S Stuart 14.05.2011 20:54 |
Big V: To briefly answer your questions - I do not have a copy of this disc, nor did I bid on this one. For that price, I would expect a "bigger bang for my buck" as it were. Ofcourse describing the track would not devalue it - just as much as describing the Mona Lisa, or a film or book review would not devalue the painting, the book or the movie. Indeed I believe it the duty of all muscal journalists to describe as accurately as possible, so I agree with that too. As the fortunate owner of one of the reaction 7" acetates, I have to disagree with you on the point that the "original artifact will retain it's worth" - in that because there are electronic copies out there - the price of my original disc HAS devalued. (I think I would be lucky to sell my disc for little more than the French Bo Rhap edit - simply because the French edit is so rare, and not electronically available). Likewise, I own original BBC Transcription disc LP's of both the "Golder's Green" and "Hammersmith Xmas" concerts, but because there are so many quality bootlegs out there, again this devalues the price of these discs. To prove my point: How many people in QZ would HONESTLY buy these rare BBC transaction discs? To find one LP, in original packaging, in mint condition is rare; to find both is impossible Any reasonable offer over £1,000, and I will sell both as a complete set. No B.S. Make the offer, and I will sell. (Again, that is little more than the French Bo Rhap edit). According to your theory, I should be inundated with offers, but I bet I won't be. Rather, I think I will find that the "Please share for free brigade" will now shout louder - because they now know I have the official BBC discs, and bang on with all sort of excuses and reasons why I should share, and complain like Hell because "I am not a true fan" and that I should give the music away. My point is that you can't have it both ways. One cannot EXPECT someone to share - but if they do share, it would be as we say in the UK, a "Brucie Bonus!". Finally, if I did win this bid? Honestly - No I would not share it at first. I would use this as a trading currency against other highly prized items I do not have in my own collection. However, when the time was right; then yes - I would share then, and I think that regular QZ'ers know me well enough by now to see that I am being genuine here (because everyone can be generous with tracks they do not own!). I also think that my personal track record in here shows that this is not a lip-service, but an open and honest answer to your question. So again, while I can empathise with your reasonable point of view, I can not agree that the moaning and "begging in the streets of QZ" culture is one that we should either adopt or allow to thrive. I really think we need to grow-up and be bigger than that. |