| cmi 23.04.2011 05:27 |
Has anyone ever noticed, that Queen I 1991 Hollywood Records CD reissue has slightly different mix of this track? The main difference is in silences in left channel on half of the guitar intro and in right channel during acoustic break in the middle. It seems HR received wrong master of this track as well as it was with I Want It All. Also recently has been found that Save Me original 7" single has (slightly) different mix to the final 'improved' mix on The Game album. This original mix on CD can be found only on 1st UK/Japan press of Greatest Hits album. The difference of single version is that vocal track is more upfront in the mix, also it has some flanger effect. |
| ole-the-first 23.04.2011 06:33 |
Yes, you're right. That's very interesting, how much different mixes were missed for years. I think that now we need more complete mixes database than QueenVault.com (of course if Adam won't update it with newly discovered mixes and demos presented on 2010 convention). |
| ole-the-first 23.04.2011 09:27 |
There also should be another one 1991 remaster error: on Andy's Queen Page mentioned A Night at the Opera withdrawn promo with wrong Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon mix (without "there he goes again" line). Does anybody heard it? I would like to swap it, if you're interested... |
| GinjaNinja 23.04.2011 10:12 |
Some of the surround sound mixes contain elements not present on the original mixes, and with some bits absent as well. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 23.04.2011 10:20 |
I plan to add all of this stuff.. eventually. Just not enough hours in the day sometimes :) |
| Wilki Amieva 23.04.2011 11:04 |
Yes, the Great King Rat used in the 1991 remaster by Eddy Schreyer for Hollywood Records, and also issued as part of the Digital Master Series in 1993, is a slightly earlier mix. I seem to remember there is a glitch on that track on the actual final master tape. Yes, the Save Me original single mix is slightly diferent to the album mix, and can be found on the original UK CD release (the Japanese 'red disc' pressing), but also on the laster UK EMI pressing and even on the 1992 Parlophone pressing (the one that came in the green box). I've heard the Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon mix you mention, but cannot figure out exactly where it came from (release, cat number, matrix number). I have the original and second pressings of the HR CDs and it's not from there. The released HR remaster is from Stephen Marcussen, but there IS one from Eddy Schreyer - perhaps this comes from such remaster. |
| GinjaNinja 23.04.2011 11:20 |
Thanks Wilki :) Are there any other alternate version of songs that you know of? (apart from the ones we know already) |
| Wilki Amieva 23.04.2011 12:36 |
Well, there's this elusive Good Old Fasioned Lover Boy version I am having a hard time with... You'll see what I mean if you check the 1993 UK and the 1994 Japanese ADATR releases from the Digital Master Series. |
| GinjaNinja 23.04.2011 13:30 |
I'll have to look out for those then! |
| strangefrontier 23.04.2011 13:37 |
Good spot...I've had the Hollywood release all these years and never picked up on that!! Can anyone throw some light on the Under Pressure mix on the Classic Queen CD? There are differences in the mix to the normal release and some additional Bowie backing vocals at the end I seem to remember? |
| mooghead 23.04.2011 14:57 |
strangefrontier wrote: Good spot...I've had the Hollywood release all these years and never picked up on that!! Can anyone throw some light on the Under Pressure mix on the Classic Queen CD? There are differences in the mix to the normal release and some additional Bowie backing vocals at the end I seem to remember? The Classic Queen mix of Under Pressure is great. Remastered hi-hat sound means the improvement is heard straight away and the 'people on streets' backing vocal is turned right up in the mix (and for some reason Freddie's "thats ok" is missing!). In response to a post further up the page, there is nothing on the 5.1 surround albums that is not there in the stereo versions its just when the sound is split 5 ways you are bound to pick up things that are drowned out in the stereo version. The Great King Rat Hollywood Records mix is interesting, if you listen through just the speaker the sound is NOT coming out of at the start of the song you can hear Roger saying something and a mic getting hit. |
| GinjaNinja 23.04.2011 15:08 |
@Mooghead I agree that you hear some new things due to the extra separation and different mixing but there are a few small things that aren't on the album cut (such as a football rattle in Seaside Rendezvous) and there's a small bit of guitar not present in I'm In Love With My Car. Nothing too significant but they're still a little different. And most people know that there is a longer "wind" intro at the start of The Prophet's Song. These things are on the 2002 DTS release, not the 30th Anniversary DVD. |
| dysan 24.04.2011 06:15 |
Had my first ever look at that Vault website. Great work! Some omissions, but great to have a little flick through. Made me dig out some of my vinyl for the first time in a while. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 24.04.2011 08:32 |
Thanks Dysan. I have a ton of stuff to add.. already written and ready to go. Just trying to find the time to get it all done :) |
| ole-the-first 24.04.2011 08:55 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: Well, there's this elusive Good Old Fasioned Lover Boy version I am having a hard time with... You'll see what I mean if you check the 1993 UK and the 1994 Japanese ADATR releases from the Digital Master Series. =========== As far as I know, 1994 Japanese reissues are very rare and out of print. Can you tell me more about this difference? |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 28.04.2011 20:31 |
Great King Rat (Preliminary Mix), Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon (Preliminary Mix), and Save Me (Original Single Mix) have been added to the site. Thanks for discovering these versions guys! |
| dysan 29.04.2011 01:38 |
Do you mention the pointless Rare Live I Want It All edit? |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 29.04.2011 02:18 |
No, but I can add it. |
| brians wig 29.04.2011 04:42 |
Anybody got that elusive FIRST edition Queen II on cassette with the alternate mixes on? |
| GinjaNinja 29.04.2011 14:56 |
I bought one from the original run (though not necessarily the first pressing) but it doesn't seem any different from the standard version. There were a few problems with the tape in places so I might have missed something. Might be worth asking John S Stuart about it, his Ultimate Collection is the only place I've seen it mentioned. |
| dysan 30.04.2011 08:54 |
The original analogue releases by most 70's artists are worth tracking down - Queen and Bowie especially. The digital remastering process has changed much sonically - cleaner, yes, but thinning out the sound and making tracks sound flimsy for some reason. Can't comment on Queen 2 specifically as I lost that long ago! |
| dysan 03.05.2011 06:45 |
Super. The tape / vinyl versions of Live Magic had edited (and superior) versions of Hammer To Fall, Another On Bites The Dust and A Kind Of Magic. |
| ole-the-first 03.05.2011 08:48 |
Orignal LP mixes of Live Magic available not only on vinyl, but also on 1986 Japanese CDs (cat. nr. CP32-5173). All in all, following different versions from Live Magic exists: -A Kind of Magic (Original Version) — available on LPs and 1986 Japanese CDs. -Another One Bites the Dust (Original Version) — available on LPs and 1986 Japanese CDs. -Hammer to Fall (Original Version) — available on LPs and 1986 Japanese CDs. -Under Pressure (Promo Version) — stand-alone version released on 1986 7" promo single. -We Will Rock You/Friends Will Be Friends/We Are the Champions (Promo Version) — medley with fade-out before God Save the Queen, B-side of promo 7" |
| dysan 03.05.2011 09:15 |
I'd like that CD. As I said in the other thread I loved the 'short' version of the album on tape. I'm alone in that I bet. |
| ole-the-first 03.05.2011 09:27 |
dysan wrote: I'd like that CD. As I said in the other thread I loved the 'short' version of the album on tape. I'm alone in that I bet. ======== I even say that this CD sounds much better than remastered version. On remasters, sounding became not so clean, while original issues have good smooth and clean sound. |
| rhyeking 06.05.2011 09:46 |
Re: Live Magic The LP and CD contain the same versions of the tracks. The CD notes it has the full-length versions, which is true, but the LP does as well. The only difference between the LP and CD is that Freddie's improv after "Another One Bites The Dust" is absent from the LP. I hunted down the LP in order to find these edited tracks and was surprised that they actually weren't altered at all. Why that note was put on the CD baffles me. |
| dysan 06.05.2011 10:34 |
Hmmmm. I was going to find a copy of the LP this weekend. I still might, mind just to have the fold out of the helicopter picture :o) I might rip the audio from the tape. |
| Wilki Amieva 08.05.2011 07:02 |
As a matter of fact, all Japanese CD reissues of LIVE MAGIC until the 2001 one had the vinyl master. |
| rhyeking 08.05.2011 08:06 |
The only copies of Live Magic I own are the original CD and original LP, not the re-issues, so I can't comment on those. I can say with 100% certainty that the only difference between the two original editions is the absence of the improv between Freddie and the crowd after "Another One Bites The Dust." The supposedly edited tracks are not altered in any way. Besides, the CD sleeve only says it contains the Full-Length Versions, which we all assume means somewhere there are edited versions. It's a logical assumption, given the phrasing, but the only other place these edited versions (if they exist at all) might be is on the original cassette, which I don't own. |
| dysan 08.05.2011 09:25 |
Definitely on the original cassette, hence assuming they were on the vinyl too. Which is curious. |
| dysan 11.05.2011 10:03 |
Speaking of edits etc - I wonder why the longer (and superior) single version of IWTBF wasn't on the The Works album. |
| rhyeking 11.05.2011 10:24 |
Re: "I Want To Break Free (Single Mix)" I read somewhere that John wasn't satisfied with the album version after its release (possibly after it went to be pressed, before the release), so he remixed the Single Mix and the Extended Mix for the singles, but it was obviously too late for inclusion on the album. The album was released February 27th, 1984 and the IWTBF single was released April 2nd, 1984, leaving John with really only a small window to do his remixing (a few weeks to a month, depending on when he started). |
| MERQRY 11.05.2011 20:24 |
rhyeking wrote: Re: "I Want To Break Free (Single Mix)" I read somewhere that John wasn't satisfied with the album version after its release (possibly after it went to be pressed, before the release), so he remixed the Single Mix and the Extended Mix for the singles, but it was obviously too late for inclusion on the album. The album was released February 27th, 1984 and the IWTBF single was released April 2nd, 1984, leaving John with really only a small window to do his remixing (a few weeks to a month, depending on when he started). ------------------------------------------- I Have a radio promo copy of the argentinan The Works (LP) and it hasn't the common Cd version but something similar to the Single version (of i want to break free) |
| rhyeking 11.05.2011 22:44 |
Do we know when that promo was released? I know I'm not alone in being bewildered by the many unusual Argentinian promos, singles and other releases that slip under the radar. |
| dysan 12.05.2011 02:40 |
For such a short album its amazing they haven't added the single mix to subsequent reissues. Good thread, BTW people. |
| ole-the-first 12.05.2011 06:30 |
MERQRY wrote: rhyeking wrote: Re: "I Want To Break Free (Single Mix)" I read somewhere that John wasn't satisfied with the album version after its release (possibly after it went to be pressed, before the release), so he remixed the Single Mix and the Extended Mix for the singles, but it was obviously too late for inclusion on the album. The album was released February 27th, 1984 and the IWTBF single was released April 2nd, 1984, leaving John with really only a small window to do his remixing (a few weeks to a month, depending on when he started). ------------------------------------------- I Have a radio promo copy of the argentinan The Works (LP) and it hasn't the common Cd version but something similar to the Single version (of i want to break free) ========= How long is this version? Can you explain me more about this one? In USA was released "Special Single Mix", a single version without synth intro. Is this version the same? Can you send me e-mail to oleggolubkin@rambler.ru? I want you to explain me more about it :) |