| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 03:32 |
Brian to cooperate with that garbage Lady gaga is a disgrace. He is doing whatever he can to stay relevant in the music scene it seems. (even though the music scene is not a real music scene anymore) They were all a team that helped getting to where they got BUT now its 20 years since Freddie left and really.. that is almost the same amount of time as Queen existed... It seems that without Freddie , Brian and Roger cant really make any nice good songs anymore. Just saying what most think but wont dare to say. Freddie was in a sense Queen and the rest of the guys was needed to bring everything else that was needed for Freddies talent to shine. I know they all made number 1 hit songs but i believe that Freddie had HUGE input/inpact in every one of these songs. Just saying how i see it. How come we dont see anymore of these great songs anymore since Freddie is gone.....? A coincident? I think not. |
| mike hunt 19.04.2011 04:04 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Brian to cooperate with that garbage Lady gaga is a disgrace. He is doing whatever he can to stay relevant in the music scene it seems. (even though the music scene is not a real music scene anymore) They were all a team that helped getting to where they got BUT now its 20 years since Freddie left and really.. that is almost the same amount of time as Queen existed... It seems that without Freddie , Brian and Roger cant really make any nice good songs anymore. Just saying what most think but wont dare to say. Freddie was in a sense Queen and the rest of the guys was needed to bring everything else that was needed for Freddies talent to shine. I know they all made number 1 hit songs but i believe that Freddie had HUGE input/inpact in every one of these songs. Just saying how i see it. How come we dont see anymore of these great songs anymore since Freddie is gone.....? A coincident? I think not. Get over yourself!....If freddie was Queen than why in hell does artist like the foo fighter's and Ga Ga want to work with Brian and Roger?.....Obviously because they were pretty good?. let's not start this whole Freddie vs the rest of the band crap. Queen wouldn't be a great band if only one member was great. |
| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 04:21 |
No its the truth in my oppinion, offcourse brian and the rest of the guys were great musicians but they didnt have that "it" thing , that special talent. I couldnt careless what that talentless garbage Gaga thinks, she has no business being in the music industry. You havent told me how come if they were equally as good as Freddie , that we havent seen any more of those super great songs that came out of Queen since freddie died? Freddie was 75% of Queen |
| emrabt 19.04.2011 05:41 |
John Deacon, everything seemed to go down hill after he left, I think he was the quality control, keeping things up to standard. Both Made In Heaven (the album) and no one but you have very little to no input from Freddie, but both are still very much Queen, The cosmos rocks has no John and doesn't have Queens sound. |
| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 07:14 |
Common , John Deacon?? Really? You seriously think him instead of Freddie? Why cant people just admit that Freddie is the main reason Queen is this big? Its nothing bad about the rest of the band , they just simply could not compete with the sheer uniqueness and super talent that is Freddie. Yea Noone but you was as good standard as other Queen songs but thats just because it was made with Freddie in mind. Everything involving Mercury turns to greatness. The cosmos rocks was total garbage and should NOT have the Queen name on it. |
| mike hunt 19.04.2011 07:15 |
Never said they were equal to freddie....IMO, Freddie was the most creative in the band and wrote the most songs, but you said Freddie was Queen. that's simply not true. Brian was/is one of the most unique guitarist of his era. Wrote crazy amount of great songs, and was easily the sound of Queen musically. Both roger and John were solid as well. freddie and Brian were like a less popular version of paul and john from the Beatles. the fans alway's arguing who was better. Both amazing, but Mercury and Lennon are usually the ones called a genuis. |
| Gregoryvincke 19.04.2011 07:22 |
Freddie Mercury was obviously a very talented musician and artist, BUT Roger Taylor, Brian May and John deacon were/are exceptional musicians. It's that particular and unique combination that made them huge. In my opinion, Freddie Mercury showed them the right musical direction to approach, he defenitely was an intuitive leader, but Queen would defenitely not have been as successful would Freddie have been backed up by other, less talented, musicians. |
| Whisperer 19.04.2011 08:02 |
In my opinion Freddie was the one who made good songs into hit songs. The songs did not became better, someone might even say they became worse, but they became hits. |
| emrabt 19.04.2011 08:25 |
Common , John Deacon?? Really? You seriously think him instead of Freddie? Why cant people just admit that Freddie is the main reason Queen is this big? =================== I didn't say it was john instead of Freddie, please don't put words in my mouth. I said the quality of Queen in general dropped after john left, they were still up to a good standard, both musically and with the releases until then. no ones going to deny that Freddie was the voice of queen, and it's impossible to replicate that with he other members. But the evidence indicates john was responsible for the high standard, at least behind the scenes. |
| john bodega 19.04.2011 08:38 |
I'll pass on this thread. Sounds like the frantic wailing of someone who just woke up and realised who he was. |
| Gregoryvincke 19.04.2011 08:59 |
Whisperer wrote: In my opinion Freddie was the one who made good songs into hit songs. The songs did not became better, someone might even say they became worse, but they became hits. Exactly. Couldn't have stated it in a better way |
| Silken 19.04.2011 09:21 |
I'm saying something obvious, but Queen was the four of them. I think that if Brian, Roger or John had died instead of Freddie, the band would have disappeared as well. Each member was irreplaceable. However, I do think that if it wasn't because of Freddie, Queen had never been as big as it was. |
| Soundfreak 19.04.2011 10:20 |
Topics like this are total rubbish. A band is all about chemistry. It's four or five people that create a certain magic. Take one away and the magic or part of it is gone. Or to quote a famous sentence: The sum of a band is bigger than the sum of it's parts. Those who claim, that only Freddie was important, have no idea at all how bands work and they live in some weird fantasy world. In case of Freddie it's even more obvious that it was not all about him. His only solo album "Mr Bad Guy" was a commercial flop - although he even tried to make his guitar player sound like Brian May...... |
| Silken 19.04.2011 10:56 |
Soundfreak wrote: In case of Freddie it's even more obvious that it was not all about him. His only solo album "Mr Bad Guy" was a commercial flop - although he even tried to make his guitar player sound like Brian May...... ************************************************* I agree 100% |
| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 11:24 |
A commercial flop has nothing to do with good music in my oppinion. Mr Bad guy is still 10000 times better than anything Brian or Roger has come up with combined in the last 20 years with the exception of No one but you. Why cant people just accept the fact that Freddie just was that special? He was and still is that special , he was the reason the rest of the band even made good songs. His influence on them, his mind, his energi made them what they were , and now as you can see, the guy goes off writing songs with the most talentless garbage there is , Gaga. Soon it will be with Justin beaver. You all try to sound so diplomatic , as was Freddie but we all know the truth. That is that Freddie was light years ahead of every musician there is out there. |
| Gregoryvincke 19.04.2011 11:39 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: A commercial flop has nothing to do with good music in my oppinion. Mr Bad guy is still 10000 times better than anything Brian or Roger has come up with combined in the last 20 years with the exception of No one but you. Why cant people just accept the fact that Freddie just was that special? He was and still is that special , he was the reason the rest of the band even made good songs. His influence on them, his mind, his energi made them what they were , and now as you can see, the guy goes off writing songs with the most talentless garbage there is , Gaga. Soon it will be with Justin beaver. You all try to sound so diplomatic , as was Freddie but we all know the truth. That is that Freddie was light years ahead of every musician there is out there. Freddie Mercury: individual Brian May: individual Roger Taylor: individual John Deacon: individual Four individuals, writing, influencing, performing together = Queen = Brilliant music. Got it Mercury SingerOfLife? |
| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 11:46 |
Freddie Mercury: God (of music) Brian May: individual Roger Taylor: individual John Deacon: individual Three individuals plus one music god, writing, influencing, performing together = Queen Now: Two lost musicians writing crap songs with an crap artist. There i corrected it for you :) |
| YannickJoker 19.04.2011 12:26 |
I think it's fair to say Freddie was largely responsible for their success, but that's as far as it goes. Freddie was 1/4 Queen, just like the other three. ============ emrabt wrote: Both Made In Heaven (the album) and no one but you have very little to no input from Freddie, but both are still very much Queen ============ Made in Heaven very little input from Freddie? He wrote or co-wrote 7 of the 10 tracks! He may have had no input in the way the album was edited and which songs were put on, but he had a lot of input in the material itself. Not trying to say anything with that, just pointing it out. |
| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 12:34 |
YannickJoker wrote: I think it's fair to say Freddie was largely responsible for their success, but that's as far as it goes. Freddie was 1/4 Queen, just like the other three. ============ emrabt wrote: Both Made In Heaven (the album) and no one but you have very little to no input from Freddie, but both are still very much Queen ============ Made in Heaven very little input from Freddie? He wrote or co-wrote 7 of the 10 tracks! He may have had no input in the way the album was edited and which songs were put on, but he had a lot of input in the material itself. Not trying to say anything with that, just pointing it out. =============================================================================== YannickJoker: Apperently it does not matter even if he wrote 150 of 200 songs, he still is only 25% of Queen cause you cant ever be better than the other person. It just isnt possible, when you form a band everyone becomes just equal no matter if one is super good and the other mediocre. That is the reasoning of Queenzone and others. Just cause you are in a band doesnt mean they are all equally good and they werent either, Freddie was the true talent. As said before , Freddie is light years ahead of EVERYONE. |
| Wiley 19.04.2011 13:01 |
And you come to this conclusion just now? After mountains of useless compilations...? After substandard releases with crappy artwork...? After them working with Five, Beyoncé, Pink and Britney...? After the We Will Rock You musical, after McFly...? After failed 'experiments' like the Queen Top 100 Bootlegs or Q+PR's "street team"...? After Kerry Ellis and "Anthems"...? Oh yes, I can see it now... THIS is the moment we will remember everything started going down hill... Not the other embarrasements from the past... No, you're right: THIS IS IT! |
| YannickJoker 19.04.2011 13:36 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: YannickJoker: Apperently it does not matter even if he wrote 150 of 200 songs, he still is only 25% of Queen cause you cant ever be better than the other person. It just isnt possible, when you form a band everyone becomes just equal no matter if one is super good and the other mediocre. That is the reasoning of Queenzone and others. Just cause you are in a band doesnt mean they are all equally good and they werent either, Freddie was the true talent. As said before , Freddie is light years ahead of EVERYONE. ====== No, but this is where you are wrong: Queen wouldn't have had the appeal it had if it weren't for Brian and his guitar. Songs like The Show Must Go On wouldn't have been written if Brian wasn't around. Another One Bites the Dust was very important and wouldn't have been there if John wasn't there. You are wrong in so many ways. I wasn't helping you with what I said, I was pointing out that I disagreed with something emrabt said. I disagree with what you're saying as well. Queen without Brian would have probably been the poppiest band you'd ever heard. Without John it probably would have been more rock. And so on. They were all incredibly important for the beast that Queen was. |
| Thistle 19.04.2011 14:00 |
Nah, I can't and won't subscribe to that notion - each and every one of the four members are equals, and that's what made them the great band they were. Freddie was the greatest showman ever and, imho, had the greatest voice of all time, but equally he had great bandmates that contribted just as well. Get that crap out of your head! |
| master marathon runner 19.04.2011 14:05 |
Yes, get that crap out of your head.! . Master marathon runner |
| philip storey 19.04.2011 14:14 |
"We are not bad for four ageing Queens!" Look Freddie is dead, John retired,we are left with Brian and Roger who started all of this with Smile.I f you dont wish to listen to anything new that Queen plus whoever or solo stuff then nobody is holding a gun to your head.Me i am open to new stuff and ideas.When Brian and Roger do call time the music industry will be a lot poorer for it ! |
| And91 19.04.2011 16:20 |
link you'll see Freddie answer this topic in min.1:24. |
| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 17:42 |
And yet nobody can answer how come they havent done one real good queen song since Noone but you.... interesting. Offcourse the others were a great asset to the band but you cant compare them to Freddie, i mean you just cant. I wouldnt have said this if i didnt think it was the truth. Stop labeling them all as equally talented cause they werent, while brian ,roger and john were talented they were nowhere close to freddie cause fredde was really a one of a kind. |
| Hugowan 19.04.2011 18:00 |
I assume that you're not a musician nor member of any band or performing act... I've been both for almost 20 years. Let me tell you something. Freddie would have been nothing alone. Same for Brian, Roger or John. The band as a whole was GREAT, as somebody said above, greater than the sum of their parts. Period. |
| Mercuryking 19.04.2011 18:42 |
yea you are right im not a musician , i dont know what i was thinking. Ohh is that so mr fortune teller? So freddie would have not made it alone huh? Ok explain one thing then, BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. That would have been freddies solo song with other musicians , are you still going to say that he would not have made it with that song? Get real. |
| Burn On Dakota 19.04.2011 18:45 |
Had to create a username just to say.. you sir, are an idiot. |
| Thistle 19.04.2011 20:02 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: And yet nobody can answer how come they havent done one real good queen song since Noone but you.... interesting. Offcourse the others were a great asset to the band but you cant compare them to Freddie, i mean you just cant. I wouldnt have said this if i didnt think it was the truth. Stop labeling them all as equally talented cause they werent, while brian ,roger and john were talented they were nowhere close to freddie cause fredde was really a one of a kind. ============================================================================================= I'm going to blow your argument out of the water, right here, right now. Now, I can't believe I am actually doing this, and saying this about one of my heroes, BUT: 1966 - listen to Roger with The Reaction (similar quality tape to the Ibex one) - awesome vocals, great covers (Roger) 1969 - listen to the Ibex show - shit vocals, shit covers (Freddie) 1969 - listen to the Wreckage tapes - shit vocals, shit song, shit instrumentals (Freddie, without Brian and Roger) 1969 - listen to 1984/Smile - nice songs, nice arrangements, great guitar riffs, neat drums, beautiful vocals (Brian and Roger with Tim and without Freddie) 1970 - NOW they come together, but without John. FOUR fucking bass players before him until they got it RIGHT. 1972-74- John arrives - music becomes tighter, production becomes better, Freddie grows in confidence, has a great band behind him and BOOM!!!! What follows is that we then have great albums like Queen, Queen II, SHA. Queen mainly known as a studio band, but have a regular tour following. Some great shows (from what we know is available), but also some hit and miss ones. 1975 - A Night At The Opera - critically acclaimed as the best of the Queen catalogue, each of the hits came from individuals, NOT just Freddie. 1975 - BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY - international super-hit, moment of genius, all the plaudits and superlatives known have been thrown at it BUT listen to the demos and out-takes, Freddie very much out of tune. Shows what can be done in a studio. Musically great. One of the best guitar solos of all time. BUT wouldn't have got anywhere at all hadn't it been for KENNY EVERETT. 1975/76 - Queen already 5 albums into the catalogue and a huge touring attraction BUT listen to some of the vocals from some of the shows we know: some shaky moments in Hammy '75 and definitely in Hyde Park '76. Musically, with Brian, Roger and John, absolutely solid. 1977 - Roger ventures into solo material. FLOP. Queen-wise, News of The World fairly successful, brings us two massive stadium anthems in Rock You and Champions, one of which being written by Brian. Queen now a massive touring force. 1978/79 - Brings us a Queen tour that we all want to see many official releases from. AOBTD comes from JOHN. Save Me comes from BRIAN. 1981 - Queen get a second number one, with a little help from a certain Mr. Bowie. 1982 - FREDDIE wants to change the sound a little. Brings us the album we all love to hate (and hate to love). The beginning of the end of Queen in the US. 1983/85 - Brian and Freddie venture into solo material. FLOP. Queen have a fairly successful album in The Works, with the 4 biggest hits of the album coming from EACH of the Queen members respectively. Queen on tour again, but in a tour where, retrospectively, Freddie is panned for terrible vocals. 1985 - LIVE AID - Queen steal the show and are back on the radar. That's QUEEN, not Freddie. 1986 - A Kind Of Magic - arguably the best tracks of the album came from Roger, Brian and John. 1986 - Magic Tour - retrospectively criticised for poor vocals and setlist. 1988 - Freddie back on the solo trail. Apart from Barcelona, FLOP. 1989- The Miracle. Queen share the songwriting credits and the album is not a great success. Again, the better tracks had Brian and Roger written all over them. 1991 - Innuendo. A fan favourite, spawns two number ones, neither written by Freddie. 1992/94 - Roger and Brian do some solo stuff after Freddie's death. FLOP. 1993 - A Posthumous number 1 for Freddie FROM A REMIX. 1995 - Made In Heaven - apart from some re-hashed vocals, no input from Freddie. Production values have John written all over them. Result = nice album, great Queen sound. Around this period, Queen get another number one (with 5ive) WITH A BRIAN TRACK. 1997 - No One But You - the last input from John, a nice track as far as the fans are concerned. Reasonable success, the Queen sound remains (and without Freddie). 1998 - Electric Fir. FLOP 1999 - Another World. FLOP. 2000+ = MASSIVE FLOP. Conclusion - Freddie was duff without Queen (and sometimes with them), and the remaining members are duff without him. Result = EQUALS. The only way any of them could write good music was to bounce off EACH OTHER. Hope this explains it enough? |
| Gregsynth 19.04.2011 20:26 |
Magic Tour didn't have poor vocals. That's the Works Tour! :) |
| Thistle 19.04.2011 20:33 |
Gregsynth wrote: Magic Tour didn't have poor vocals. That's the Works Tour! :) LOL, I'm sure I stated that between '84/'85 there were some poor vocals. Seriously though, Magic Tour was rife with them??? |
| Gregsynth 19.04.2011 20:42 |
It was more of a tongue-and-cheek statement (since the 1984 Works Tour was one of Freddie's worst vocal tours--and I love listening to the bloopers). lol No but seriously, the Magic Tour's vocals aren't that bad. I'll take Wembley or Zurich over London 1984 and Vienna 1984 ANYDAY! |
| The Real Wizard 20.04.2011 00:09 |
Excellent post, Thistleboy. But unfortunately logic doesn't work on trolls.. |
| emrabt 20.04.2011 01:00 |
Made in Heaven very little input from Freddie? He wrote or co-wrote 7 of the 10 tracks! +============================= yes, "he" contributed the majority, but his input was little to nothing, we know how two of those tracks sounded before hand, and we know how well they charted. If i was as one sided as max and amir i'd use the fact that there seemed to be ONE person who turned Heaven for everyone, too much love, i was born to love you and Made in heaven into hits. ============================== And yet nobody can answer how come they havent done one real good queen song since Noone but you =========================== First page 3rd post, by me, two words JOHN DEACON, by your logic, as he is the only person missing since then, he would be the reason. that's about it, i seem to have beaten Amir at his own game, what do i win? |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 02:26 |
Thistle: Look commercial success has NOTHING to do with talent, just look at music today and you know that its true. Offcourse freddie has been out of tune and other things when recording for example Bohrap, but thats not the point , that is just part of singing. Im talking talent wise, freddie compare to the rest of the band cant be compared. If you look at the songwriting on the Barcelona album and compare it to brian and rogers, its simply MUCH more talented writing, noone can deny it. Emrabt: Yea really you convinced me, ive started to think that it was John deacon that was guiding Freddie how to sing and how to make songs.... My point is this: If you truly are a real musician, you should NOT have to resort to collaborating with these crap socalled artist just cause you want to stay relevant in the music industry, you should be making your own new songs and even sing them yourself if you can sing, if not then get a singer and start something new. This just proves to me that he apperantly isnt a truuue musician like freddie was or else he wouldnt do stuff like this. I bet you that if freddie was still alive that he wouldnt do stuff like these two have. He would have created his own songs until he couldnt and then he would have just quit with music. He would not whore himself out to these untalented garbage just to get exposure. |
| john bodega 20.04.2011 02:32 |
The fact that "Let's Turn It On" exists, suggests that Freddie wasn't perfect, and that they were just very lucky to have met each other and founded such a brilliant band. Queen really were something special - 4 fantastic musicians with good ideas of how they should sound and look. Appreciate the band for what it was, folks - because bands like that don't come around every day. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 02:37 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Brian to cooperate with that garbage Lady gaga is a disgrace. He is doing whatever he can to stay relevant in the music scene it seems. (even though the music scene is not a real music scene anymore) They were all a team that helped getting to where they got BUT now its 20 years since Freddie left and really.. that is almost the same amount of time as Queen existed... It seems that without Freddie , Brian and Roger cant really make any nice good songs anymore. Just saying what most think but wont dare to say. Freddie was in a sense Queen and the rest of the guys was needed to bring everything else that was needed for Freddies talent to shine. I know they all made number 1 hit songs but i believe that Freddie had HUGE input/inpact in every one of these songs. Just saying how i see it. How come we dont see anymore of these great songs anymore since Freddie is gone.....? A coincident? I think not. ------ Freddie wasn't Queen. Brian, Roger, John, and Freddie were Queen. Freddie "left"? No, he died because of foolish, unsafe sexual practices. BTW, there are a few Queen songs that Freddie had no part in. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 02:39 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: No its the truth in my oppinion, offcourse brian and the rest of the guys were great musicians but they didnt have that "it" thing , that special talent. I couldnt careless what that talentless garbage Gaga thinks, she has no business being in the music industry. You havent told me how come if they were equally as good as Freddie , that we havent seen any more of those super great songs that came out of Queen since freddie died? Freddie was 75% of Queen --- No, it's not the truth, it's only your opinion. Freddie was 25% of Queen. End of story. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 02:48 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: YannickJoker wrote: I think it's fair to say Freddie was largely responsible for their success, but that's as far as it goes. Freddie was 1/4 Queen, just like the other three. ============ emrabt wrote: Both Made In Heaven (the album) and no one but you have very little to no input from Freddie, but both are still very much Queen ============ Made in Heaven very little input from Freddie? He wrote or co-wrote 7 of the 10 tracks! He may have had no input in the way the album was edited and which songs were put on, but he had a lot of input in the material itself. Not trying to say anything with that, just pointing it out. =============================================================================== YannickJoker: Apperently it does not matter even if he wrote 150 of 200 songs, he still is only 25% of Queen cause you cant ever be better than the other person. It just isnt possible, when you form a band everyone becomes just equal no matter if one is super good and the other mediocre. That is the reasoning of Queenzone and others. Just cause you are in a band doesnt mean they are all equally good and they werent either, Freddie was the true talent. As said before , Freddie is light years ahead of EVERYONE. ----- Steve Perry, in his prime, outsang Freddie. Freddie wasn't the best vocalist out there. He wasn't even the vocalist in Queen who sang the highest notes. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 02:49 |
Lets turn it on isnt bad, its actually good for that sort of style. Its really simple , if Freddie isnt somehow involved with the quality control and guides them how the songs should go , then their songs would have not been all that great. Freddie had an ear for quality which apperently these two LACK big time since watchin what they have done and who they have been collabing with. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 02:52 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: yea you are right im not a musician , i dont know what i was thinking. Ohh is that so mr fortune teller? So freddie would have not made it alone huh? Ok explain one thing then, BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. That would have been freddies solo song with other musicians , are you still going to say that he would not have made it with that song? Get real. ---- "Bohemian Rhapsody" would have been an entirely different song without Brian and Roger. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 02:53 |
JPF: Excuse me but there is noone that can outsing Mercury doesnt matter if he could sing 10 octaves of range, you still suck compared to him. He was pure energi with a super voice that was so in tune that it sometimes sounds even better than brians guitar tone. He was music basically. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 03:04 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: JPF: Excuse me but there is noone that can outsing Mercury doesnt matter if he could sing 10 octaves of range, you still suck compared to him. He was pure energi with a super voice that was so in tune that it sometimes sounds even better than brians guitar tone. He was music basically. ----- Steve Perry outsang Freddie Mercury. Deal with it. |
| plumrach 20.04.2011 04:44 |
Maybe im in a minority here but i quite like Freddie's solo stuff, he wasnt doing it to have a massively successful solo career but as he said himself it was just a little project that he wanted to work on |
| kruh 20.04.2011 05:50 |
They all have been Queen. There is no doubt abut it. But today the music bussines is diferent. And maybe this is not the choice by Brian. I am glad that the group is still alive and popular. But i am a litlle angry and disappointed because they have not issued an album (live album) from early period. Greetings! |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 20.04.2011 06:08 |
Well, I think Brian and Roger had a worse production when Freddie joined them, at first. Smile was great, and then Larry Lurex was rubbish. They only recovered for the proper albuns as Queen. Then, for me, Freddie is the guy who spoiled the sound of Smile for a while. But... some years later he became a real driving force and a creative genious that further shaped the Queen sound as we know it, along with Brian, Roger and John. It could not have happened without any of them. Cheers, Ogre- |
| john bodega 20.04.2011 06:12 |
I think it's true of really talented people - the successes are truly awesome ones, and the failures are on a grand scale. Freddie sure put some shit out into the airwaves, but his BEST stuff? I will hold that up against anything. The guy was brilliant. He wasn't Queen though. Most important or vital member? Probably - that's a matter of opinion, but literally speaking he was not the band, in and of himself. It's quite simple. Funny how his solo songs were way better once they wound up on Made in Heaven. |
| kruh 20.04.2011 06:56 |
Excatly, Zebonka 12!!! |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 07:08 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I think it's true of really talented people - the successes are truly awesome ones, and the failures are on a grand scale. Freddie sure put some shit out into the airwaves, but his BEST stuff? I will hold that up against anything. The guy was brilliant. He wasn't Queen though. Most important or vital member? Probably - that's a matter of opinion, but literally speaking he was not the band, in and of himself. It's quite simple. Funny how his solo songs were way better once they wound up on Made in Heaven. funny how one ignorant person starts the thread.....Then others chime in and feel the need to be equally ignorant by putting down the lead singer.....you're post is right on target. |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 07:20 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: And yet nobody can answer how come they havent done one real good queen song since Noone but you.... interesting. Offcourse the others were a great asset to the band but you cant compare them to Freddie, i mean you just cant. I wouldnt have said this if i didnt think it was the truth. Stop labeling them all as equally talented cause they werent, while brian ,roger and john were talented they were nowhere close to freddie cause fredde was really a one of a kind. ============================================================================================= I'm going to blow your argument out of the water, right here, right now. Now, I can't believe I am actually doing this, and saying this about one of my heroes, BUT: 1966 - listen to Roger with The Reaction (similar quality tape to the Ibex one) - awesome vocals, great covers (Roger) 1969 - listen to the Ibex show - shit vocals, shit covers (Freddie) 1969 - listen to the Wreckage tapes - shit vocals, shit song, shit instrumentals (Freddie, without Brian and Roger) 1969 - listen to 1984/Smile - nice songs, nice arrangements, great guitar riffs, neat drums, beautiful vocals (Brian and Roger with Tim and without Freddie) 1970 - NOW they come together, but without John. FOUR fucking bass players before him until they got it RIGHT. 1972-74- John arrives - music becomes tighter, production becomes better, Freddie grows in confidence, has a great band behind him and BOOM!!!! What follows is that we then have great albums like Queen, Queen II, SHA. Queen mainly known as a studio band, but have a regular tour following. Some great shows (from what we know is available), but also some hit and miss ones. 1975 - A Night At The Opera - critically acclaimed as the best of the Queen catalogue, each of the hits came from individuals, NOT just Freddie. 1975 - BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY - international super-hit, moment of genius, all the plaudits and superlatives known have been thrown at it BUT listen to the demos and out-takes, Freddie very much out of tune. Shows what can be done in a studio. Musically great. One of the best guitar solos of all time. BUT wouldn't have got anywhere at all hadn't it been for KENNY EVERETT. 1975/76 - Queen already 5 albums into the catalogue and a huge touring attraction BUT listen to some of the vocals from some of the shows we know: some shaky moments in Hammy '75 and definitely in Hyde Park '76. Musically, with Brian, Roger and John, absolutely solid. 1977 - Roger ventures into solo material. FLOP. Queen-wise, News of The World fairly successful, brings us two massive stadium anthems in Rock You and Champions, one of which being written by Brian. Queen now a massive touring force. 1978/79 - Brings us a Queen tour that we all want to see many official releases from. AOBTD comes from JOHN. Save Me comes from BRIAN. 1981 - Queen get a second number one, with a little help from a certain Mr. Bowie. 1982 - FREDDIE wants to change the sound a little. Brings us the album we all love to hate (and hate to love). The beginning of the end of Queen in the US. 1983/85 - Brian and Freddie venture into solo material. FLOP. Queen have a fairly successful album in The Works, with the 4 biggest hits of the album coming from EACH of the Queen members respectively. Queen on tour again, but in a tour where, retrospectively, Freddie is panned for terrible vocals. 1985 - LIVE AID - Queen steal the show and are back on the radar. That's QUEEN, not Freddie. 1986 - A Kind Of Magic - arguably the best tracks of the album came from Roger, Brian and John. 1986 - Magic Tour - retrospectively criticised for poor vocals and setlist. 1988 - Freddie back on the solo trail. Apart from Barcelona, FLOP. 1989- The Miracle. Queen share the songwriting credits and the album is not a great success. Again, the better tracks had Brian and Roger written all over them. 1991 - Innuendo. A fan favourite, spawns two number ones, neither written by Freddie. 1992/94 - Roger and Brian do some solo stuff after Freddie's death. FLOP. 1993 - A Posthumous number 1 for Freddie FROM A REMIX. 1995 - Made In Heaven - apart from some re-hashed vocals, no input from Freddie. Production values have John written all over them. Result = nice album, great Queen sound. Around this period, Queen get another number one (with 5ive) WITH A BRIAN TRACK. 1997 - No One But You - the last input from John, a nice track as far as the fans are concerned. Reasonable success, the Queen sound remains (and without Freddie). 1998 - Electric Fir. FLOP 1999 - Another World. FLOP. 2000+ = MASSIVE FLOP. Conclusion - Freddie was duff without Queen (and sometimes with them), and the remaining members are duff without him. Result = EQUALS. The only way any of them could write good music was to bounce off EACH OTHER. Hope this explains it enough? bullshit post my friend........first of all Innuendo was written by Mercury and talyor......you just proved that the original poster was right afterall.....you said freddie decided to change Queens sound for hot space?....so you're saying freddie was the leader of the group?....didn't the other 3 equal members have a say in that situation?.....doesn't sound like they were 25% by what you're saying........also, freddie wasn't duff without Queen, barcelona ranks with the best Imo. Brian wasn't duff without Queen, he had some good moments outside of the band. Even roger had some good moments. Of course they were best together, but we all know that by now. |
| Pingfah 20.04.2011 07:33 |
Say what you want about Brian, he has done a lot of crap lately. But Freddie would have loved Lady Gaga. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 20.04.2011 07:43 |
I' m not going to read beyond page 1. This all sounds nuts to me. And the need to put the boot in on Lady Gaga I just don't get. |
| Hugowan 20.04.2011 07:50 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. That would have been freddies solo song with other musicians , are you still going to say that he would not have made it with that song? --------------------- Sorry man, but saying BoRap with "other" musicians would be equally great is the top of the crap i've read here from you... Obviously you know nothing about music. I wouldn't surprise to discover that you're a teen Rock Band gamer who believes it to be the best way to "learn" how to play an instrument. Happy Hollydays |
| AlexRocks 20.04.2011 08:11 |
Anyway in the meantime "The Cosmos Rocks" is one of the best Queen studio l.p.s. Also I LOVE Brian May's solo studio l.p. from 1993 called "Back To The Light". I can't wait for Queen + to continue doing new songs in the studio!!! |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 08:40 |
Hugowan wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. That would have been freddies solo song with other musicians , are you still going to say that he would not have made it with that song? --------------------- Sorry man, but saying BoRap with "other" musicians would be equally great is the top of the crap i've read here from you... Obviously you know nothing about music. I wouldn't surprise to discover that you're a teen Rock Band gamer who believes it to be the best way to "learn" how to play an instrument. Happy Hollydays You are completely right , this is one song i did while playing rockband all my years! link |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 08:53 |
Pingfah wrote: Say what you want about Brian, he has done a lot of crap lately. But Freddie would have loved Lady Gaga. I certainly dont think he would have, you dont understad , almost all the artists in the mainstream music right now are NOT real artists. The record companys now own the industry and they choose what type of crap to be "popular" and they give them songs to sing like Gaga, rihanna, beyonce and the rest of the crap. Real musicians with real talent aint allowed to be popular anymore cause those real musicians is a threat to them cause they almost always promote stuff like : be free , love etc. They dont want that , they want it all to be about money, sex and shallowness. Its all made to dumb down people with pure and utter crap. |
| The Real Wizard 20.04.2011 10:54 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: "Real musicians with real talent aint allowed to be popular anymore" Ever heard of Radiohead? Muse? Arcade Fire? New Pornographers? The Black Keys? The National? Vampire Weekend? The Roots? All great talents, and all mainstream. You are partially right in your assertion of mainstream music and marketing, but there is so much more happening. The mainstream is very diverse nowadays. Look at the long list of artists who played at the Coachella Festival last weekend - the biggest music festival in the US. Full of brilliant talent, very little of it in the "mainstream" you describe - link "Its all made to dumb down people with pure and utter crap." These people are already dumbed down. The quality of mainstream art is a reflection of the people who take it in, not the people who create or market it. If people wanted to reject Rihanna, they would. Don't blame the marketers - they are just selling a product for people to consume, the same way McDonalds sells a new hamburger. They are simply good businessmen like any other. |
| The Real Wizard 20.04.2011 11:09 |
Listen to the Australian radio station Triple J and tell me there's nothing good happening.. link Here's the station's top 100 songs of 2010. How many of them have you heard? link One of the biggest bands in Australia right now is called The Cat Empire. They are a ska band, but kind of like Chicago with a reggae singer. Do you even know who Chicago was, what a good horn section sounds like, or even what reggae is? I'd argue that people have much better taste in music now than they did 10 years ago. With the internet so readily available, it is very easy to find good music. Only an utter fool would say nobody is exposed to talent these days. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 11:21 |
SirGH: Well i agree and disagree with you, there are talented musicians out there but they are very few of them which get in mainstream. Those bands you mentioned is not my coup of tea (even though i like that Muse tries to wake people up with their lyrics) This is what i believe. Back when we had real artists like queen and michael jackson etc, that was not something that they who run everything liked very much. Cause both forexample Freddie and Michael had messages of Freedom and Love. And cause they were real musicians and made real songs themselves (at least Freddie did) the ones controlling were forced to deal with them. Now that they are all gone , they came up with an new idea: Lets just take some ordinary people and give them fame and we give them songs that WE would like to be out there with OUR message, and thereby we have the control instead of a Freddie Mercury with millions of fans promoting FREEDOM AND LOVE. No now instead we can spread whatever content we like , like sex , money etc without any problem. You see , when you got a person thats not really an musician, its very easy to control this person, that person will go along with whatever you give or say to them cause they love the fame and the money that comes along with being a singer, musician. Basically they have ruined the stage for real musicians to flourish. Real musicians cant make it today just because of the hijack that is made. |
| Burn On Dakota 20.04.2011 12:47 |
Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it. |
| The Real Wizard 20.04.2011 12:56 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: "And cause they were real musicians and made real songs themselves (at least Freddie did)" the ones controlling were forced to deal with them Ha... you believe Queen's record label wasn't controlling them in the 80s, telling them to make hits? "Basically they have ruined the stage for real musicians to flourish. Real musicians cant make it today just because of the hijack that is made." There are plenty of musicians who make it today. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they haven't made it. The Roots have made it. You haven't. I rest my case. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 13:04 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistle: Look commercial success has NOTHING to do with talent, just look at music today and you know that its true. Offcourse freddie has been out of tune and other things when recording for example Bohrap, but thats not the point , that is just part of singing. Im talking talent wise, freddie compare to the rest of the band cant be compared. If you look at the songwriting on the Barcelona album and compare it to brian and rogers, its simply MUCH more talented writing, noone can deny it. ============================================================================================= Freddie didn't write the majority of the Barcelona tracks. And your point is rendered POINTLESS when you think of it this way - Yes, Freddie was a better singer than the rest, but Brian was a better guitarist than the rest, Roger a better drummer than the rest and John a better bassist than the rest. All of those elements are an essential part of the Queen sound, and therefore each of their talents made the group, making them equals. Songwriting wise, the others contributed just as much as Freddie, and each got their fair share of "hits" - both commercially AND from a critical point of view. What don't you get about this? |
| YannickJoker 20.04.2011 13:14 |
I must admit some of the things you pointed out in your list were wrong, thistleboy. For example, Freddie solo didn't flop at all in 1988, The Great Pretender was a huge hit and so was Barcelona. Like somebody else pointed out, Freddie co-wrote Innuendo. And the 5ive song was released in 2000, not in 1995. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 13:30 |
mike hunt wrote (about Thistleboy): bullshit post my friend........first of all Innuendo was written by Mercury and talyor......you just proved that the original poster was right afterall.....you said freddie decided to change Queens sound for hot space?....so you're saying freddie was the leader of the group?....didn't the other 3 equal members have a say in that situation?.....doesn't sound like they were 25% by what you're saying........also, freddie wasn't duff without Queen, barcelona ranks with the best Imo. Brian wasn't duff without Queen, he had some good moments outside of the band. Even roger had some good moments. Of course they were best together, but we all know that by now. ============================================================================================= So you choose 3 points from the many I made and claim I'm talking bullshit? Now THAT is bullshit. Let me just say, Mike, that I think Amir just runs his mouth without knowing what he's talking about really - so I threw in a couple of red herrings just to see if he'd pick up on them (i.e Innuendo and Hot Space), and guess what - he didn't. Also, regardless of you liking Barcelona, and a handful of other tracks here and there (as it happens I agree), that is just your/our opinion - at the end of the day they still flopped without each other. The point is Queen weren't just Freddie, they were 4 equals. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 13:32 |
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it. ============================================================================================= Well fecking said. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 13:34 |
YannickJoker wrote: I must admit some of the things you pointed out in your list were wrong, thistleboy. For example, Freddie solo didn't flop at all in 1988, The Great Pretender was a huge hit and so was Barcelona. Like somebody else pointed out, Freddie co-wrote Innuendo. And the 5ive song was released in 2000, not in 1995. ============================================================================================= I've already answered to that. And you being pedantic doesn't exactly harm the essennce of the argument, which is that they all needed each other to be Queen. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 14:16 |
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it. =========================================================================================== Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing. Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill. And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter.. Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. |
| YannickJoker 20.04.2011 14:19 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: I've already answered to that. And you being pedantic doesn't exactly harm the essennce of the argument, which is that they all needed each other to be Queen. === If you'd read what I said you'd have known I agree with you. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 14:23 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistle: Look commercial success has NOTHING to do with talent, just look at music today and you know that its true. Offcourse freddie has been out of tune and other things when recording for example Bohrap, but thats not the point , that is just part of singing. Im talking talent wise, freddie compare to the rest of the band cant be compared. If you look at the songwriting on the Barcelona album and compare it to brian and rogers, its simply MUCH more talented writing, noone can deny it. ============================================================================================= Freddie didn't write the majority of the Barcelona tracks. And your point is rendered POINTLESS when you think of it this way - Yes, Freddie was a better singer than the rest, but Brian was a better guitarist than the rest, Roger a better drummer than the rest and John a better bassist than the rest. All of those elements are an essential part of the Queen sound, and therefore each of their talents made the group, making them equals. Songwriting wise, the others contributed just as much as Freddie, and each got their fair share of "hits" - both commercially AND from a critical point of view. What don't you get about this? ================================================================================= Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 14:45 |
Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 14:48 |
YannickJoker wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: I've already answered to that. And you being pedantic doesn't exactly harm the essennce of the argument, which is that they all needed each other to be Queen. === If you'd read what I said you'd have known I agree with you. ============================================================================================= What did I miss? Looks like you just picked up on stuff I got wrong (deliberately, btw) on the list. |
| Burn On Dakota 20.04.2011 14:55 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it. =========================================================================================== Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing. Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill. And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter.. Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. ============================== Sooo you consider yourself a real musician, that gives you the right to judge her? Ok well by that logic, I’ve been playing guitar since age 7, im now 30.. I consider myself a real musician; and I say, you sir are NOT a real musician, now nullifying your ability to judge her. Game over son! Ps. you played the Illuminati card?? You just lost any credibility that you had achieved. |
| YannickJoker 20.04.2011 14:55 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: What did I miss? Looks like you just picked up on stuff I got wrong (deliberately, btw) on the list. ==== No you said that what I was pedantically correcting wasn't harming the essence as if I was trying to argue against it, I was just pointing out some mistakes but agreeing with your main point. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 14:58 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case. ============================================================================== Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo. If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not. What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are. Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. |
| Burn On Dakota 20.04.2011 15:02 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case. ============================================================================== Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo. If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not. What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are. Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. ========== You obviously have the director’s cut of the making of one vision. My version shows them all working as a group writing lyrics together, bouncing ideas of each other. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 15:04 |
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it. =========================================================================================== Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing. Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill. And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter.. Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. ============================== Sooo you consider yourself a real musician, that gives you the right to judge her? Ok well by that logic, I’ve been playing guitar since age 7, im now 30.. I consider myself a real musician; and I say, you sir are NOT a real musician, now nullifying your ability to judge her. Game over son! Ps. you played the Illuminati card?? You just lost any credibility that you had achieved. ============================================================================== Again YES i consider myself much more of a musician than she/HE? is. You can argue that i am not but i think my songs speak for themselves on if im a real musician or not. link You think its all an conspiracy theory as do the rest of the sheeple, but when u wake up sometime , then you will realize how dumb you have been. |
| YannickJoker 20.04.2011 15:06 |
Hahahahahahahahaha. The Illuminati. This discussion has ended. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 15:10 |
YannickJoker wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha. The Illuminati. This discussion has ended. =================================================================== Yea the idea that there could exist smart evil people is ridiculous right? Your mind has ended not this discussion. |
| Burn On Dakota 20.04.2011 15:11 |
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it. =========================================================================================== Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing. Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill. And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter.. Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. ============================== Sooo you consider yourself a real musician, that gives you the right to judge her? Ok well by that logic, I’ve been playing guitar since age 7, im now 30.. I consider myself a real musician; and I say, you sir are NOT a real musician, now nullifying your ability to judge her. Game over son! Ps. you played the Illuminati card?? You just lost any credibility that you had achieved. ====================== And for safety reasons I’m announcing that I am the only real musician here on this board I pronounce that none of you are true musicians. Now none of you can de-throne me “Do you have a Flag?” “NO FLAG , NO COUNTRY” |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 15:12 |
Mercurysingeroflife wrote: Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo. If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not. What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are. Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. ============================================================================================= No, no, no. Freddie didn't guide Brian on the guitar solos, he sent him away to work on them and Brian came back with the perfect response, all on his own. If you watch the making of NATO programme, you'll soon see. RE one vision, the guys weren't "waiting" for guidance, it's more like Freddie wasn't communicating his vision for the track too clearly, so had to wait until they played until he picked his favourite moments. Yep, granted, Freddie may have got his way on some things, but that wasn't always the case - the track placement of Queen II being a prime example. And Lady GaGa equals illuminati? You wouldn't have even known what that was hadn't it been for Dan Brown. You make some good points Amir, but you've also got a lot of your facts wrong. If you research more, you may come up with a stronger argument - but that's the problem, if you did research, you'll know that we're right, and you don't want to accept that. It's very difficult to get through to you, and that's why I'm going to stop trying - you just don't understand, so it's pointless. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 16:12 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Mercurysingeroflife wrote: Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo. If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not. What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are. Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. ============================================================================================= No, no, no. Freddie didn't guide Brian on the guitar solos, he sent him away to work on them and Brian came back with the perfect response, all on his own. If you watch the making of NATO programme, you'll soon see. RE one vision, the guys weren't "waiting" for guidance, it's more like Freddie wasn't communicating his vision for the track too clearly, so had to wait until they played until he picked his favourite moments. Yep, granted, Freddie may have got his way on some things, but that wasn't always the case - the track placement of Queen II being a prime example. And Lady GaGa equals illuminati? You wouldn't have even known what that was hadn't it been for Dan Brown. You make some good points Amir, but you've also got a lot of your facts wrong. If you research more, you may come up with a stronger argument - but that's the problem, if you did research, you'll know that we're right, and you don't want to accept that. It's very difficult to get through to you, and that's why I'm going to stop trying - you just don't understand, so it's pointless. =============================================================== I have seen Freddie guide brian on how to play the riff on One vision and i have seen him guide Roger on the drums. That right there is more evidence that you come up with. You claim that its not that way without any evidence yet i give you visual evidence of it being true. Dan brown? Never even heard of him ,but what does that have to do with anything? I got into these stuff by alex jones and david icke, both speak the truth. Does'nt matter how one heard about something, we all hear stuff from someone else. Point is that its true, she is an illuminati puppet. Its not that i dont understand what you are saying , its just that i dont agree with it. Its a big difference. So either someone has to agree with whatever you say or you just stop talking about it anymore? Thats a bit weird, almost like ur afraid that if you continue talking that maybe you might change your mind or something. One thing though , you can never deny truth , truth always wins in the end. |
| Burn On Dakota 20.04.2011 16:17 |
Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 16:19 |
Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions. If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 16:30 |
plumrach wrote: Maybe im in a minority here but i quite like Freddie's solo stuff, he wasnt doing it to have a massively successful solo career but as he said himself it was just a little project that he wanted to work on --- Freddie wanted solo success. He just didn't receive it. |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 16:30 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case. lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 16:34 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions. If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion. Freddie wasn't the greatest musician around....his piano playing was average. wasn't a very good guitarist, couldn't play drums or the bass very well. He was a great singer after years of developing. A great songwriter for sure and entertainer of course, but he wasn't perfect by any means, you should Just stop now.... |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 16:38 |
mike hunt wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case. lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. ========================================================================= The rest of the band is good dont get me wrong but they are nowhere near freddie, you just cant say they are equally good cause its not the truth and YOU know it. If they were equally good then AGAIN how come we havent seen that in the past 20 years?? You understand how long time that is. Thats Queens whole lifespan. I guarantee you that if freddie would have lived 20 more years that we would have seen a BUNCH of epic songs coming from him. Being diplomatic may make you sound good, but it is not the truth. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 16:39 |
mike hunt wrote: lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. ============================================================================================= I am not discrediting Freddie, I am merely saying that he wasn't the be all and end all - he was not single handedly responsible for all Queen's success. I have used my points to illustrate that, not to diss Freddie. If you read back, I did also say that they were equals in my opinion, but Amir wanted reasons for my thinking, so I again have pointed out why the others were as important. And yes, I have heard the box and, yes, I can hear Freddie's ideas - but again, he was not the only reason why Barcelona was a great album i(n the eyes of the fans). There's no bullshit about what I wrote, I think you'll find there's plenty of hard fact in it all (apart from the red herrings I threw in to catch Amir out). |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 16:40 |
mike hunt wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions. If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion. Freddie wasn't the greatest musician around....his piano playing was average. wasn't a very good guitarist, couldn't play drums or the bass very well. He was a great singer after years of developing. A great songwriter for sure and entertainer of course, but he wasn't perfect by any means, you should Just stop now.... Funny thing about his solo work.....whenever I lend out lover of life, singer of songs to somebody they enjoy it almost as much as Queen. It seems around here his solo stuff is hated, but many people from where I'm standing love it. Just saying. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 16:41 |
mike hunt wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions. If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion. Freddie wasn't the greatest musician around....his piano playing was average. wasn't a very good guitarist, couldn't play drums or the bass very well. He was a great singer after years of developing. A great songwriter for sure and entertainer of course, but he wasn't perfect by any means, you should Just stop now.... ==================================================================== Again im not talking about how good on his instrument he was or how you must be the most technical player in the world. Im talking about his genius sense for music , for melodies, for structure , for singing , for feeling,energi, cleverness, just plain and simple the greatest musicianto have ever lived. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 16:44 |
mike hunt wrote: Funny thing about his solo work.....whenever I lend out lover of life, singer of songs to somebody they enjoy it almost as much as Queen. It seems around here his solo stuff is hated, but many people from where I'm standing love it. Just saying. ======================================================================================== You just proved it yourself right there without even thinking about it. People see freddies songs as queen yet brian or rogers songs are just some ordinary bands songs. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 16:44 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case. ============================================================================== Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo. If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not. What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are. Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. --- When I watch the making of "One Vision" Freddie looks like the clueless one, along with John. "One Vision" was Roger's song to begin with. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 16:48 |
When I watch the making of "One Vision" Freddie looks like the clueless one, along with John. "One Vision" was Roger's song to begin with. =========================================================================================== Yea maybe the lyrics part but did you miss when he was pointing out to brian how to play the riff and how he told roger to play the drums? Now wouldnt they both know what and how they should play their own instruments if they were all equally good? How come it is freddie that knows how it should sound and not roger and brian? I think freddie was being nice when he said that they were all equal. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 16:49 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions. If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion. --- There are better songwriters and singers out there. Freddie could be great and he could be shit. He wasn't the best. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 16:50 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: I have seen Freddie guide brian on how to play the riff on One vision and i have seen him guide Roger on the drums. That right there is more evidence that you come up with. You claim that its not that way without any evidence yet i give you visual evidence of it being true. Dan brown? Never even heard of him ,but what does that have to do with anything? I got into these stuff by alex jones and david icke, both speak the truth. Does'nt matter how one heard about something, we all hear stuff from someone else. Point is that its true, she is an illuminati puppet. Its not that i dont understand what you are saying , its just that i dont agree with it. Its a big difference. So either someone has to agree with whatever you say or you just stop talking about it anymore? Thats a bit weird, almost like ur afraid that if you continue talking that maybe you might change your mind or something. One thing though , you can never deny truth , truth always wins in the end. ============================================================================================= OK, just for you, I'll answer. The reason why I said was done was because it is pointless trying to get through to you, but as you're creating a picture of me that simply isn't true, I'll come back in. I never said that I won't speak to people who don't agree - every day, at some point, someone will have a different opinion from me, that's life, and it doesn't stop me from talking with them. But there's a huge difference between disagreeing and trying to force opinions on folk, like the way you do. Back on topic, I have pointed you in teh direction off where to get the footage that supports what I am saying. I have also seen the footage that you're talking about, and it doesn't come across that the other guys don't know what they're doing - Freddie is just telling them what he would LIKE to hear, NOT what they MUST play. And no, I won't change my opinion - all four members of Queen are equals, and are talented in different ways - that's what makes them a band. Freddie is no better or no worse than the other members. Truth does always win in the end, and I believe the truth is that you are Max using Amir's sign on, or have become just as arrogant and pushy as him. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 16:53 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: mike hunt wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special) He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case. lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. ========================================================================= The rest of the band is good dont get me wrong but they are nowhere near freddie, you just cant say they are equally good cause its not the truth and YOU know it. If they were equally good then AGAIN how come we havent seen that in the past 20 years?? You understand how long time that is. Thats Queens whole lifespan. I guarantee you that if freddie would have lived 20 more years that we would have seen a BUNCH of epic songs coming from him. Being diplomatic may make you sound good, but it is not the truth. ----- Where where all of those epic songs from Freddie in the '80s? Roger and John were the ones writing the biggest hits in the '80s. |
| jpf 20.04.2011 16:57 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: When I watch the making of "One Vision" Freddie looks like the clueless one, along with John. "One Vision" was Roger's song to begin with. =========================================================================================== Yea maybe the lyrics part but did you miss when he was pointing out to brian how to play the riff and how he told roger to play the drums? Now wouldnt they both know what and how they should play their own instruments if they were all equally good? How come it is freddie that knows how it should sound and not roger and brian? I think freddie was being nice when he said that they were all equal. ---- No, he was getting recording levels and sound when he was asking Roger to play. "One Vision" is all about Roger's song and Brian's riff. You really are delusional and really don't know anything about this band. |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 17:00 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: mike hunt wrote: lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. ============================================================================================= I am not discrediting Freddie, I am merely saying that he wasn't the be all and end all - he was not single handedly responsible for all Queen's success. I have used my points to illustrate that, not to diss Freddie. If you read back, I did also say that they were equals in my opinion, but Amir wanted reasons for my thinking, so I again have pointed out why the others were as important. And yes, I have heard the box and, yes, I can hear Freddie's ideas - but again, he was not the only reason why Barcelona was a great album i(n the eyes of the fans). There's no bullshit about what I wrote, I think you'll find there's plenty of hard fact in it all (apart from the red herrings I threw in to catch Amir out). That's all you did in you're writings was give all four equal credit when they succeeded, but gave freddie all the credit when they failed with hot space......Instead of saying, yea, I heard freddie at least co wrote The Barcelona album and all his ideas coming to reality on the boxset (proof my friend) Instead, you hint that freddie's name shouldn't even be on the album because he didn't write most of it. I get the fact they were four talented musicians, freddie was 1/4th of the band, but how is John Deacon who wrote 10% of the material Equal to freddie and Brian who wrote much much more?.... was he a equal Influence?...he wasn't. He contributed great things to the band, and maybe Queen never make if they didn't find him, but still not equal. I'm a fan of all four members, We all have opinions and a favorite member. My opinion is they were all important, and contributed great things to the band, but freddie and maybe Brian were the most important. That's not a diss to roger and John. Both were solid......John wrote some of my favorite Songs. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 17:02 |
============================================================================================= OK, just for you, I'll answer. The reason why I said was done was because it is pointless trying to get through to you, but as you're creating a picture of me that simply isn't true, I'll come back in. I never said that I won't speak to people who don't agree - every day, at some point, someone will have a different opinion from me, that's life, and it doesn't stop me from talking with them. But there's a huge difference between disagreeing and trying to force opinions on folk, like the way you do. Back on topic, I have pointed you in teh direction off where to get the footage that supports what I am saying. I have also seen the footage that you're talking about, and it doesn't come across that the other guys don't know what they're doing - Freddie is just telling them what he would LIKE to hear, NOT what they MUST play. And no, I won't change my opinion - all four members of Queen are equals, and are talented in different ways - that's what makes them a band. Freddie is no better or no worse than the other members. Truth does always win in the end, and I believe the truth is that you are Max using Amir's sign on, or have become just as arrogant and pushy as him. =========================================================================== Naw im not forcing anything on anyone man. Im just saying the truth , noone can compete with him and you know it. If not then show me someone that can compete with him and damn i would be shocked ouf of my mind. Its funny how everyone here kinda has to agree with eachother just so that they feel that they are in the gang so to speak. People fear to express stuff , everybody here are so apathetic, never having an extreme side just always in the middle, trying to be all political. WELL thats a bullshit way to be in my oppinion. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 17:07 |
Look Mike, all I'm going to say is that because I didn't say it all the way you would have doesn't make me wrong. Sure, it doesn't make me right, but YOU don't dictate the way someone puts an argument across. Like I say, some of the things were put in there just to catch Amir/Max out - if he had come back with the same argument you did RE Hot Space and to an extent Barcelona (which was a great, valid comeback btw), then he would have beat his own argument and that was my aim. But he didn't, because he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, he's just over opinionated. My opinions may not exactly be the correct ones, but at least I can state why I think that way, on my own - not what you want me to say, or believe I should have said. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 17:13 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Look Mike, all I'm going to say is that because I didn't say it all the way you would have doesn't make me wrong. Sure, it doesn't make me right, but YOU don't dictate the way someone puts an argument across. Like I say, some of the things were put in there just to catch Amir/Max out - if he had come back with the same argument you did RE Hot Space and to an extent Barcelona (which was a great, valid comeback btw), then he would have beat his own argument and that was my aim. But he didn't, because he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, he's just over opinionated. My opinions may not exactly be the correct ones, but at least I can state why I think that way, on my own - not what you want me to say, or believe I should have said. ========================================================================= How would i beat my own argument if i said what he said. What mike said was more in favor of the fact that freddie was indeed the most important part of queen with brian maybe second Listen you are no better in what you do , i could make a case that you state your oppinion as fact too. You are talking like it is for sure that they are all equals and that im 100% wrong. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 17:25 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Naw im not forcing anything on anyone man. Im just saying the truth , noone can compete with him and you know it. If not then show me someone that can compete with him and damn i would be shocked ouf of my mind. Its funny how everyone here kinda has to agree with eachother just so that they feel that they are in the gang so to speak. People fear to express stuff , everybody here are so apathetic, never having an extreme side just always in the middle, trying to be all political. WELL thats a bullshit way to be in my oppinion. ============================================================================================= But by telling someone they KNOW what you're saying is the truth IS forcing your opinion upon them, you're trying to TELL people what they think, when in actual fact they don't think that way. Where do you get off telling people they're sitting on the fence? Personally, I can honestly say that I don't allow the way others work to affect my thoughts and opinions. I think independently from everyone else, I like what I like, I don't like what I don't like and I think the way I think - NOT what you want me to think, or believe. You can't talk in terms of people competing with Freddie, because EVERYONE will have their own opinions, whether based on commercial success or personal preference. Just because you say that Freddie can't be touched doesn't mean that this is correct. The Steve Perry argument is a great one. |
| Thistle 20.04.2011 17:32 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: How would i beat my own argument if i said what he said. What mike said was more in favor of the fact that freddie was indeed the most important part of queen with brian maybe second Listen you are no better in what you do , i could make a case that you state your oppinion as fact too. You are talking like it is for sure that they are all equals and that im 100% wrong. ============================================================================================= See, you miss the point. When I said that Freddie was solely responsible for Hot Space being shit, Mike said that wasn't the case and that the others had an equal say. Therefore, they're equals. You see, together they stand.... I did that deliberately, and if you had made the sort of statement that Mike did in that case, you would have beat your own argument. I am not saying my opinions are fact, but they are more realistic than yours - you are TELLING people what to think. |
| Mercuryking 20.04.2011 17:38 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Naw im not forcing anything on anyone man. Im just saying the truth , noone can compete with him and you know it. If not then show me someone that can compete with him and damn i would be shocked ouf of my mind. Its funny how everyone here kinda has to agree with eachother just so that they feel that they are in the gang so to speak. People fear to express stuff , everybody here are so apathetic, never having an extreme side just always in the middle, trying to be all political. WELL thats a bullshit way to be in my oppinion. ============================================================================================= But by telling someone they KNOW what you're saying is the truth IS forcing your opinion upon them, you're trying to TELL people what they think, when in actual fact they don't think that way. Where do you get off telling people they're sitting on the fence? Personally, I can honestly say that I don't allow the way others work to affect my thoughts and opinions. I think independently from everyone else, I like what I like, I don't like what I don't like and I think the way I think - NOT what you want me to think, or believe. You can't talk in terms of people competing with Freddie, because EVERYONE will have their own opinions, whether based on commercial success or personal preference. Just because you say that Freddie can't be touched doesn't mean that this is correct. The Steve Perry argument is a great one. I looked up Steve perry he is great but no freddie man. Okay then take it back , its just my oppinion that Mercury is the greatest. But i still think that you are afraid to speak your true feelings, just feels like that. |
| Burn On Dakota 20.04.2011 17:49 |
If you JUST looked up Steve Perry and haven’t heard him before, you really don’t have any place commenting on musicianship and music in general. I’m sorry you really need to do some homework on the art of rock/pop music before you begin an argument against/judgment of other artist. It would be the same as if I tried commenting on baseball. I’m going to end up looking the fool. |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 18:25 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Look Mike, all I'm going to say is that because I didn't say it all the way you would have doesn't make me wrong. Sure, it doesn't make me right, but YOU don't dictate the way someone puts an argument across. Like I say, some of the things were put in there just to catch Amir/Max out - if he had come back with the same argument you did RE Hot Space and to an extent Barcelona (which was a great, valid comeback btw), then he would have beat his own argument and that was my aim. But he didn't, because he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, he's just over opinionated. My opinions may not exactly be the correct ones, but at least I can state why I think that way, on my own - not what you want me to say, or believe I should have said. ========================================================================= How would i beat my own argument if i said what he said. What mike said was more in favor of the fact that freddie was indeed the most important part of queen with brian maybe second Listen you are no better in what you do , i could make a case that you state your oppinion as fact too. You are talking like it is for sure that they are all equals and that im 100% wrong. i said or meant to say IMO freddie was slightly more important, brian is right up there. It comes down to who your personal favorite is...... That's just my opinion, it's not a fact. You are 100% wrong because you said Freddie was Queen, or at least 75%.. That's simply not true.....Thistleboy....i made my points, you made yours. we agree on most things. Let's just leave it at that. all four members were great. This thread shouldn't have gone this far....6 pages?...... |
| mike hunt 20.04.2011 18:28 |
Burn On Dakota wrote: If you JUST looked up Steve Perry and haven’t heard him before, you really don’t have any place commenting on musicianship and music in general. I’m sorry you really need to do some homework on the art of rock/pop music before you begin an argument against/judgment of other artist. It would be the same as if I tried commenting on baseball. I’m going to end up looking the fool. Steve perry was a great love ballads singer, maybe the best of all time at that one style, but did he ever sing anything else?... |
| Burn On Dakota 20.04.2011 18:42 |
mike hunt wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: If you JUST looked up Steve Perry and haven’t heard him before, you really don’t have any place commenting on musicianship and music in general. I’m sorry you really need to do some homework on the art of rock/pop music before you begin an argument against/judgment of other artist. It would be the same as if I tried commenting on baseball. I’m going to end up looking the fool. Steve perry was a great love ballads singer, maybe the best of all time at that one style, but did he ever sing anything else?... ============================================================================= Well journey wasn’t just ballads. Now with that said I friken hate Journey with a passion, and I hate Steve Perry. I’m not getting in to the argument of who is better between Perry and Mercury hands down Fred wins. But I am amazed that this kid is so adamant that his views are correct and he is a “real musician” which gives him the ability to declare lady gaga a puppet (and again I am not a fan of her’s) and he hasn’t heard Steve Perry before! |
| Hugowan 20.04.2011 21:06 |
MercurySingerOfLife wrote: I have seen Freddie guide brian on how to play the riff on One vision and i have seen him guide Roger on the drums. That right there is more evidence that you come up with. You claim that its not that way without any evidence yet i give you visual evidence of it being true. ___________________ Oh! you were right all this time, MercurySingerOfLife wrote! Roy Thomas Baker has just sent me an email to clarify all this matter: He states that Freddie not just told everyone how to play their instruments in all the songs released and unreleased, written or not by him! but he also prepared the mixer, tuned the guitars, bass guitars, drums, pianos, ukeleles and banjos; he personally was responsible to buy all the strings, drumheads, cymbals and drumsticks, and obviously, the mics, since he had to pick the unique types that produced that MERCURY sound... He was the chief electrician, carpenter, wardrobe designer and taylored all the costumes, not just for his background musicians, but also for all the crew. As a PS, Roy is happy to finally reveal that the footage shown from the making of One Vision is a retake done by the Torpedo Twins, where the background musicians are shown holding their instrumens, while it was Freddie himself who played'em originally, as it was satated above. We all apologize our inconvenient misunderstood. Soon I'll forward you a copy of Roy's message. By the way your song is overwhelming! the must precious piece of music ever released, and played in such an exquisite execution... the way you close your eyes and feel the music balancing your head are something no one could achieve in this planet. Thanks heavens Freddies is resting by now, or he would have felt that it was such a waste of time his whole career against your enormous talent... |
| jpf 20.04.2011 21:29 |
mike hunt wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: If you JUST looked up Steve Perry and haven’t heard him before, you really don’t have any place commenting on musicianship and music in general. I’m sorry you really need to do some homework on the art of rock/pop music before you begin an argument against/judgment of other artist. It would be the same as if I tried commenting on baseball. I’m going to end up looking the fool. Steve perry was a great love ballads singer, maybe the best of all time at that one style, but did he ever sing anything else?... --- Perry was a rock singer. Journey didn't just write ballads. |
| The Real Wizard 20.04.2011 22:23 |
Burn On Dakota wrote: It would be the same as if I tried commenting on baseball. I’m going to end up looking the fool. ====================== Wait, so it would be foolish to say soccer is better than baseball even if you had never watched baseball? Say it isn't so! |
| Over the Field 21.04.2011 03:02 |
I don't think that only catchy melodies and chord structures can be labelled as "good music" as Amir referred when pointing to Freddie. Music is subjective. |
| FriedChicken 21.04.2011 03:13 |
Suuuuuuuuuure, Freddie's flopped solo career shows he was Queen. And did everybody forget Freddie's horrible collaborations? Love is the Hero, Emotions in Motion, wake up.. |
| Pingfah 21.04.2011 03:35 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing. Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill. And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter.. Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You are either a paranoid freak or a worthless troll. And damn, this messageboard is SHIT. How long does it take to set up a PHPBB or something similar. About 5 frickin minutes?? QueenZone, chuck me £100 and i'll give you a proper messageboard that actually works. |
| Mercuryking 21.04.2011 04:14 |
By the way your song is overwhelming! the must precious piece of music ever released, and played in such an exquisite execution... the way you close your eyes and feel the music balancing your head are something no one could achieve in this planet. Thanks heavens Freddies is resting by now, or he would have felt that it was such a waste of time his whole career against your enormous talent... you try creating a song like that before you open your mouth. If you think its easy to come up with songs like that then hey start making hundreds of them and show me. Jelous guy. |
| Mercuryking 21.04.2011 04:17 |
You guys are right , i take it all back. Freddie Mercury was just a great musician like the rest of the great 1000 and more musicians out there. What was i thinking saying he is truly a one of a kind and that noone can compare to him. When i listen to what you guys say ,suddenly i found hundreds of Freddies out theere , i just wasnt looking well enough. |
| mike hunt 21.04.2011 05:05 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: You guys are right , i take it all back. Freddie Mercury was just a great musician like the rest of the great 1000 and more musicians out there. What was i thinking saying he is truly a one of a kind and that noone can compare to him. When i listen to what you guys say ,suddenly i found hundreds of Freddies out theere , i just wasnt looking well enough. It's ok Kid...take a deep breath.....we're all fans here. We Just disagree that freddie was Queen. Do some research on how Influencial Brian May was as a guitarist. |
| Silken 21.04.2011 08:50 |
As I (and other posters) said before, Queen was the four of them and each member was irreplaceable. But, as regards the making of One Vision, I think that the others were waiting for Freddie's guidance. It looks like they knew that Freddie was the one who knew what was right. At least it's the impression I get. Let's just trust Brian's words: “We were very equal and very competitive. Nobody got away with a single note that the other three didn’t think was OK.” |
| Gregsynth 21.04.2011 09:04 |
Why do people say Freddie's solo career flopped, when he had several top ten hits? Granted, his solo success wasn't close to Queen's, but Freddie did have high-charting material! Out of the 3 members (who had solo stuff), Freddie's stuff was the most successful! |
| Holly2003 21.04.2011 09:45 |
Silken wrote: Let's just trust Brian's words: “We were very equal and very competitive. Nobody got away with a single note that the other three didn’t think was OK.” =========================================================================================== I find it very hard to believe that anyone except Brian found 'Chinese Torture' appealing. According to Brian, Fred and John hated 'Gimme the Prize'. So Brian says a lot of things: some of them are even true. |
| Silken 21.04.2011 10:17 |
Holly2003 wrote: I find it very hard to believe that anyone except Brian found 'Chinese Torture' appealing. According to Brian, Fred and John hated 'Gimme the Prize'. So Brian says a lot of things: some of them are even true. ************************************* Yeah, Brian is a gentleman and he might say some things that are not exactly true just in order to be politically correct. Believe it or not, I love "Chinese Torture". |
| mike hunt 21.04.2011 10:29 |
Ok, truth is I think freddie had a slightly larger voice in the band.......Under pressure was released before hot space, So Body language was the first real single from that album. Do you really think any of the other member's liked that song?....I don't think so, freddie put his foot down and said that's what I want, and bam the song was released. A song like radio Ga Ga i'm sure everyone in the band thought that was the right choice for a single, but Body Language? |
| mike hunt 21.04.2011 10:40 |
Gregsynth wrote: Why do people say Freddie's solo career flopped, when he had several top ten hits? Granted, his solo success wasn't close to Queen's, but Freddie did have high-charting material! Out of the 3 members (who had solo stuff), Freddie's stuff was the most successful! How can a solo career flop when you only had one true solo album?....the album was a flop, but it's not like he had a lot of time. He didn't even have a solo career. I think if he didn't die we would know by now if his solo career failed. He did have hits outside of the band in a short period of time. the great pretender, In my Defense, Living on my own, Love kills, and Barcelona, which was a top ten hit twice. Roger has how many albums between the cross and solo?....10?...or more?....how many top ten hits did he produce?....i'll be waiting for the answer to this Important question. Now imagine if freddie lived 10 or more years?....how many more solo hits would he have produced?....lots more than roger and brian for sure. Couldn't be any worse. |
| Gregsynth 21.04.2011 11:44 |
I agree. What would Freddie have produced for future outside/solo projects? Granted Mr. Bad Guy wasn't a commerical success (I like the record though), but I agree that just judging that one "true" solo album to use as a base for Freddie's solo career isn't really fair. I wished Barcelona got more attention (that's a killer record--my favorite solo album by any of the Queen members), it's a underrated gem. |
| mike hunt 21.04.2011 12:19 |
Remember, his solo material if we Include Barcelona was only 3 or 4 years... Barcelona was performed in 1992 by cabelle and another opera star...... Thats pretty amazing if you ask me......to have respect from rock bands, pop stars and opera stars..... Then he went back home to Queen. Imagine if he had more time, and produced another 6 solo albums?.....maybe another dance album that fans would haved hated, but comes along another work of Brilliance in Barcelona2. The possilties were endless. He would have had like a dozen hits by now. Every person I lend his solo stuff to loves the music...".Living on my own" a girl I know said was her favorite of solo Freddie .The song reminded her of herself. My sweet old mother loves Barcelona, she says" that's one beautiful song that Queen sings" . One of my best freinds pete who's a not a huge Queen guy. He's more into progressive rock like Rush and yes, especially Rush. I had him listen to Barcelona and was impressed as hell. Very creative is the way he put it....I had to calm the guy down because he thought cabelle was ruining some great vocals from freedie. But of course the big lady grew on us over time. She's Brilliant with with....the perfect combo. |
| Mercuryking 21.04.2011 15:29 |
mike hunt wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: You guys are right , i take it all back. Freddie Mercury was just a great musician like the rest of the great 1000 and more musicians out there. What was i thinking saying he is truly a one of a kind and that noone can compare to him. When i listen to what you guys say ,suddenly i found hundreds of Freddies out theere , i just wasnt looking well enough. It's ok Kid...take a deep breath.....we're all fans here. We Just disagree that freddie was Queen. Do some research on how Influencial Brian May was as a guitarist. ====================================================================== Dont try to insult by calling me KID , im no kid , dont try to act as if you are better or something just cause i think the way i think, understand that? You cant change my mind that freddie was beyond everbody else no matter how many people are on you side or how many times you say its not true. Funny how everyone talks most about freddie but still claim that he is just as special as the rest of the band. Stop being hypocrites, just admit that freddie is just more interesting and has that it factor that nobody else does. Its nothing insulting to the other members of the band , it is only the truth. |
| Thistle 21.04.2011 17:30 |
mike hunt wrote: Thistleboy....i made my points, you made yours. we agree on most things. Let's just leave it at that. all four members were great. This thread shouldn't have gone this far....6 pages?...... ============================================================================================= Aye Mike, you're right, we do seem to agree on most things - I'm happy to leave it at that mate. |
| Thistle 21.04.2011 17:40 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote (@ Thistleboy): Okay then take it back , its just my oppinion that Mercury is the greatest. But i still think that you are afraid to speak your true feelings, just feels like that. ============================================================================================= No. I can categorically say, 100% in honesty and on the grave of Freddie himself that I am NOT, and I repeat NOT afraid to speak my true feelings. My FEELINGS are that Freddie is my hero, I love him to bits, I still grieve over the loss of him and he IS my FAVOURITE member of Queen. I LOVE his tracks, his voice (even when it was wonky) and ALL his solo stuff. HOWEVER, my OPINION, honestly, is that the band are equally talented, put in as much work and ALL deserve the credit for Queen being the great band they were - NOT just Freddie. Freddie is not the be all and end all, and needed the others as much as they needed him. If you can't distinguish between that, then you are thick. And if you argue with that, and try to tell me that's not how I think or feel, I will personally make it my life's work to track you down and beat you to a pulp. That's how strongly I feel. I hope this makes you understand I'm not messing around or just being apathetic or PC. |
| mike hunt 21.04.2011 18:40 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: mike hunt wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: You guys are right , i take it all back. Freddie Mercury was just a great musician like the rest of the great 1000 and more musicians out there. What was i thinking saying he is truly a one of a kind and that noone can compare to him. When i listen to what you guys say ,suddenly i found hundreds of Freddies out theere , i just wasnt looking well enough. It's ok Kid...take a deep breath.....we're all fans here. We Just disagree that freddie was Queen. Do some research on how Influencial Brian May was as a guitarist. ====================================================================== Dont try to insult by calling me KID , im no kid , dont try to act as if you are better or something just cause i think the way i think, understand that? You cant change my mind that freddie was beyond everbody else no matter how many people are on you side or how many times you say its not true. Funny how everyone talks most about freddie but still claim that he is just as special as the rest of the band. Stop being hypocrites, just admit that freddie is just more interesting and has that it factor that nobody else does. Its nothing insulting to the other members of the band , it is only the truth. i'm not insulting you, Im no better or worse than anybody.....Yea, on the magic years in 86 people did talk more about freddie than the others. Rod steward, Sir Paul, Phil Collins, EcT EcT...... but Brian may gets a lot of credit to. Over time Brian has become more respected by the newer generation, and now really is considered a Guitar god. Freddie's my favorite member by the way....Roger doesn't get mentioned as much as he should...Very good drummer, decent singer who could hit some very high notes, Even higher than RoB Halford, and was a writer as well. John rarely gets any love, but he also was Important. If we're talking star Quality, yes, Freddie had something extra the others didn't have, but he wasn't the whole band. |
| Shvili 21.04.2011 18:45 |
It was chemistry that created Queen. Yes, Freddie was the star but on his own, I don't think he could come close to greatness that was Queen. His solo work has some memorable stuff, but in the end..nothing special. |
| jpf 22.04.2011 01:34 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: mike hunt wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: You guys are right , i take it all back. Freddie Mercury was just a great musician like the rest of the great 1000 and more musicians out there. What was i thinking saying he is truly a one of a kind and that noone can compare to him. When i listen to what you guys say ,suddenly i found hundreds of Freddies out theere , i just wasnt looking well enough. It's ok Kid...take a deep breath.....we're all fans here. We Just disagree that freddie was Queen. Do some research on how Influencial Brian May was as a guitarist. ====================================================================== Dont try to insult by calling me KID , im no kid , dont try to act as if you are better or something just cause i think the way i think, understand that? You cant change my mind that freddie was beyond everbody else no matter how many people are on you side or how many times you say its not true. Funny how everyone talks most about freddie but still claim that he is just as special as the rest of the band. Stop being hypocrites, just admit that freddie is just more interesting and has that it factor that nobody else does. Its nothing insulting to the other members of the band , it is only the truth. ---- Everything you've posted in this discussion is nothing more than your opinion. Your opinion isn't fact. |
| john bodega 22.04.2011 02:05 |
Fuck Freddie, he was just a fucking sponger. |
| john bodega 22.04.2011 02:07 |
JOHN was Queen, and I have proof. The surviving members were still able to make good music until he left the band in '97. |
| Gregoryvincke 22.04.2011 02:38 |
It's ok, mercurysingeroflife, to have wet dreams about freddie mercury ;) |
| splicksplack 22.04.2011 07:02 |
This is my OPINION. I can see where Amir is coming from, even if he is not expressing it too well (and tending to wind people up as a result). One of the key things that is relevant to this discussion is Musical Theory - the study of how chords, chord progressions, intervals, counterpoint etc. work and how they create moods, tensions, resolutions and all sorts of feelings in a piece of music. This stuff is not easily learnt and takes a lot of study. Freddie passed Grade 5 on the piano, not theory, but I would imagine that a lot of theory would have been dealt with in his studies and picked up from his tutor. Of course learning the piano in a structured way also opens the door for the individual to explore there own ideas based on their new knowledge. Brian, John and Roger, on the other hand, are self taught on the guitar. Brian and John do not read music (which would make the understanding of theory very difficult) and as far as I know, neither does Roger (unless he learnt to read part lines when he was a choirboy, but, again no formal musical training regarding chords etc.). Now, it's one thing to write a melody while bashing out a few basic major and minor chords while strumming a guitar or banging out block chords on a keyboard), quite another to structure a song with the full musical arsenal that Freddie had in his head with diminished, augmented and various inverted chords, suspensions and his classical influences). To see the intricate differences between Freddie's and the others compositions maybe you do need to have studied music. From Amir's YouTube video he clearly has and that's why I think I can see his argument. Freddie's compositions are clearly musically superior in both melody and chord structure and maybe, by the same token, Brian is better at rockier numbers that don't rely on musical sophistication. Freddie also had a clear vision of where the band should go. He was the one who badgered Brain Roger about what Smile where doing wrong and about his ideas on presentation. The imagery from the early days came from Freddie's graphic art education, designing the crest, the initial Queen typeface, the gothic feel, even copying the Marlene Dietrich imagery for Queen 2 and the BR video (I mean, how gay is that). And it is exactly the early days that caught the public's eye and made Queen huge. All the top 10 hits until AOBTD were penned by Freddie. It is fair to say that he was not just the lead singer but The Leader period (whatever the offical line may have been). There is no doubting the contributions of the others but, certainly in the 70's you can detect a great dollop of Freddie's help in some of the other's arrangements. For example, we will never know but I think Save Me absolutely reeks of Freddie's involvement in the arrangement and suggestions on maybe changing a chord here and there. As Amir said, since Freddie's passing there have been no quality compositions from Brian or Roger. (I saw that Butterfly /Glitters bollocks on Fern the other day and it really is shocking that it should be played in earshot of anyone except Brian). There is no question that Brian is a very accomplished guitar player, Roger a stunning drummer and John a competent bassist. It's just that, from where Im standing Freddie was the musical lynchpin and probably guided the others. |
| emrabt 22.04.2011 07:11 |
JOHN was Queen, and I have proof. The surviving members were still able to make good music until he left the band in '97. ========================== Page one, 3rd post, first two words, I've already given this as proof. it was ignored by amir, obviously. ================== Emrabt: Yea really you convinced me, ive started to think that it was John deacon that was guiding Freddie how to sing and how to make songs.... +================== I didn’t say that, but the queen sound comes from “queen”, and according to the fact that they have lost a lot of the sound since john left, johns studio work. More people = higher standard. you’ve admitted that they sounded like queen up until JOHN LEFT, right? no one but you had the queen sound, RIGHT? it’s not because they were “thinking of Freddie”, a perfect example is Rogers song “old friends” ABOUT Freddie, just like “no one but you” but doesn’t have the queen sound. without john, things just sound like solo work (cosmos rocks) with John it was still queen sounding. Please explain that to me. Freddie didn't invent the queen sound, but without him there wouldn't be "queen" the band. |
| mike hunt 22.04.2011 07:36 |
emrabt wrote: JOHN was Queen, and I have proof. The surviving members were still able to make good music until he left the band in '97. ========================== Page one, 3rd post, first two words, I've already given this proof. it was ignored by amir obviously. lol, are you serious?...listen, I love John and he did play an important role in Queen. Wrote some great songs, a very good bass player and played a key role behind the scenes, but let's not try and be somehow smarter than the rest of the world and say John was the true genius of Queen. ... Innuendo is considered one of Queen's best albums, and what did john write?...did he even write a song on the entire album?....Made in Heaven was a decent album, but it was Brian's work that stands out, and maybe roger, also freddie's vocals are strong on most songs..... John wasn't that involved with much of anything. What did John do on the song No One but You?...Brian wrote it and it was a nice duet with roger. john didn't do much on the bass. Of course he was Important, but even if he stayed the queen machine was fininshed. Actually freddie was more Involved with MIH than John was....He wrote most of the album. some amazing vocal performaces to. As a writer and bass player John had very little impact on Innuendo and Made In heaven. |
| emrabt 22.04.2011 07:40 |
lol, are you serious? ================= i'm talking to amir from amir and max, what do u think? my point was clear, amir said freddie was queen, but then said No one but you was also queen, so i was pointing out it makes DEACON queen and not freddie. |
| mike hunt 22.04.2011 07:57 |
splicksplack wrote: This is my OPINION. I can see where Amir is coming from, even if he is not expressing it too well (and tending to wind people up as a result). One of the key things that is relevant to this discussion is Musical Theory - the study of how chords, chord progressions, intervals, counterpoint etc. work and how they create moods, tensions, resolutions and all sorts of feelings in a piece of music. This stuff is not easily learnt and takes a lot of study. Freddie passed Grade 5 on the piano, not theory, but I would imagine that a lot of theory would have been dealt with in his studies and picked up from his tutor. Of course learning the piano in a structured way also opens the door for the individual to explore there own ideas based on their new knowledge. Brian, John and Roger, on the other hand, are self taught on the guitar. Brian and John do not read music (which would make the understanding of theory very difficult) and as far as I know, neither does Roger (unless he learnt to read part lines when he was a choirboy, but, again no formal musical training regarding chords etc.). Now, it's one thing to write a melody while bashing out a few basic major and minor chords while strumming a guitar or banging out block chords on a keyboard), quite another to structure a song with the full musical arsenal that Freddie had in his head with diminished, augmented and various inverted chords, suspensions and his classical influences). To see the intricate differences between Freddie's and the others compositions maybe you do need to have studied music. From Amir's YouTube video he clearly has and that's why I think I can see his argument. Freddie's compositions are clearly musically superior in both melody and chord structure and maybe, by the same token, Brian is better at rockier numbers that don't rely on musical sophistication. Freddie also had a clear vision of where the band should go. He was the one who badgered Brain Roger about what Smile where doing wrong and about his ideas on presentation. The imagery from the early days came from Freddie's graphic art education, designing the crest, the initial Queen typeface, the gothic feel, even copying the Marlene Dietrich imagery for Queen 2 and the BR video (I mean, how gay is that). And it is exactly the early days that caught the public's eye and made Queen huge. All the top 10 hits until AOBTD were penned by Freddie. It is fair to say that he was not just the lead singer but The Leader period (whatever the offical line may have been). There is no doubting the contributions of the others but, certainly in the 70's you can detect a great dollop of Freddie's help in some of the other's arrangements. For example, we will never know but I think Save Me absolutely reeks of Freddie's involvement in the arrangement and suggestions on maybe changing a chord here and there. As Amir said, since Freddie's passing there have been no quality compositions from Brian or Roger. (I saw that Butterfly /Glitters bollocks on Fern the other day and it really is shocking that it should be played in earshot of anyone except Brian). There is no question that Brian is a very accomplished guitar player, Roger a stunning drummer and John a competent bassist. It's just that, from where Im standing Freddie was the musical lynchpin and probably guided the others. I agree with a lot of you're points...it doesn't take a genius to see that freddie was the man on the first 8 albums.....but one point i believe you were wrong. Brian studied piano....i think he went even further than freddie if i'm not mistaken. like sir paul said....you could tell that freddie and Brian had real musical talent. funny he didn't mention John and Roger. |
| splicksplack 22.04.2011 11:53 |
Thanks for that Mike. I just seem to remember someone saying in an interview (maybe Brian himself) that he couldn't read music. The fan club says "At the age of five, Brian's parents enrolled him in piano lessons. Brian hated those lessons-he had to practice on Saturday when he would rather be out playing." and "At the age of six, Harold decided that Brian was old enough to play the ukulele. Brian showed amazing aptitude and soon wanted to take up the guitar." That leads me to believe that he didn't have anywhere near the same musical education that Freddie had and certainly didn't do any music exams. I'm not saying that means he can't write or arrange. He obviously can. I just mean that the knowledge available to draw from is more limited than Freddie's, and that is where I believe Freddie helped the other members. Actually the one I think is least helped by Freddie it's Roger. His stuff is quite unique. |
| jaq 22.04.2011 16:18 |
RE: splickspack's post "Freddie also had a clear vision of where the band should go." yeah, you have his letter to elektra's jack holzman, speaking on the band's behalf. he sounds so much like a mother hen looking after her brood, letting everyone know he's proud of them :D ian hunter talked about fred fretting indignantly, "why don't they get it?!" after a particular american crowd didn't take to them (probably the oddity of precious stage banter following good, heavy rock.) he remembers fred's absolutely convinced Queen will be big when nobody saw it (even ratty.) sure they were all competent musicians - hungry, precocious (as brian loves to say) young men, but the biz was kicking their head in at every corner. (progarchive gave me a taste with quite a few oldies' lifelong disdain of Queen as a joke; they're scathing enough to make the music press's Queen-hate a mere pissy grudge!) so fred was really a big cheerleader for band morale, whipping their mental game into shape - this may explain why even if 17yo rog sounded prime-time ready while fred's wreckage demo was amateur shit, Smile took to the flashy, self-appointed "muse": his entrepreneurship. Startups have to succeed on absorbing every tool of competitiveness mad fast (we have fred's progress as vocalist/writer as proof...in hindsight:P) he's akin to a ceo headhunting for top talents to staff out the important departments, who stepped back appropriately to let the top guns of their respective fields do their bidding (and this explains why he was allowed that - mock horror - hideous mustache, or some1 as vanilla as deaky accepting "he's who he is, always been that way":P) in principle they're all co-founders sharing equal stock in the company (as any1 of them would settle for less:D), so when the profits roll in the power dynamics distributed themselves accordingly (look at john's surge in confidence/authority after AOBTD lol.) it's only when the now prosperous, well-oiled machine of the corporation came into crises again (pre-Live Aid, terminal illness), the "mastermind" among the co-founders had to step up to the plate and strategize the operation through to next quarter. (and it's quite obvious his caretaking of john - like jumping to his defense with something flippant on '89 BBC interview when the host sorta bullied tongue tied, less starry/forward deaky a bit. deacon does bounce back to his credit, without further hand holding.) a bit digression...i guess it all sorta makes sense of what brian/rog are doing with Queen name and invoking fred at every turn, even if it's perverse to outsiders. So many bits and pieces suggest building Queen into something grand was fred's life's work (sniff.) from letting himself used as "figurehead" to denying he's more than 25% to not ruffle any feather, the important thing was the Dream, Queen that's larger than ANY of them individually. it must survive (leave that u2 in the dust! :P) using whatever tool at their disposal. |
| Mercuryking 23.04.2011 06:55 |
splicksplack wrote: This is my OPINION. I can see where Amir is coming from, even if he is not expressing it too well (and tending to wind people up as a result). One of the key things that is relevant to this discussion is Musical Theory - the study of how chords, chord progressions, intervals, counterpoint etc. work and how they create moods, tensions, resolutions and all sorts of feelings in a piece of music. This stuff is not easily learnt and takes a lot of study. Freddie passed Grade 5 on the piano, not theory, but I would imagine that a lot of theory would have been dealt with in his studies and picked up from his tutor. Of course learning the piano in a structured way also opens the door for the individual to explore there own ideas based on their new knowledge. Brian, John and Roger, on the other hand, are self taught on the guitar. Brian and John do not read music (which would make the understanding of theory very difficult) and as far as I know, neither does Roger (unless he learnt to read part lines when he was a choirboy, but, again no formal musical training regarding chords etc.). Now, it's one thing to write a melody while bashing out a few basic major and minor chords while strumming a guitar or banging out block chords on a keyboard), quite another to structure a song with the full musical arsenal that Freddie had in his head with diminished, augmented and various inverted chords, suspensions and his classical influences). To see the intricate differences between Freddie's and the others compositions maybe you do need to have studied music. From Amir's YouTube video he clearly has and that's why I think I can see his argument. Freddie's compositions are clearly musically superior in both melody and chord structure and maybe, by the same token, Brian is better at rockier numbers that don't rely on musical sophistication. Freddie also had a clear vision of where the band should go. He was the one who badgered Brain Roger about what Smile where doing wrong and about his ideas on presentation. The imagery from the early days came from Freddie's graphic art education, designing the crest, the initial Queen typeface, the gothic feel, even copying the Marlene Dietrich imagery for Queen 2 and the BR video (I mean, how gay is that). And it is exactly the early days that caught the public's eye and made Queen huge. All the top 10 hits until AOBTD were penned by Freddie. It is fair to say that he was not just the lead singer but The Leader period (whatever the offical line may have been). There is no doubting the contributions of the others but, certainly in the 70's you can detect a great dollop of Freddie's help in some of the other's arrangements. For example, we will never know but I think Save Me absolutely reeks of Freddie's involvement in the arrangement and suggestions on maybe changing a chord here and there. As Amir said, since Freddie's passing there have been no quality compositions from Brian or Roger. (I saw that Butterfly /Glitters bollocks on Fern the other day and it really is shocking that it should be played in earshot of anyone except Brian). There is no question that Brian is a very accomplished guitar player, Roger a stunning drummer and John a competent bassist. It's just that, from where Im standing Freddie was the musical lynchpin and probably guided the others. ======================================================================================== Was freddie taking piano lessons? I always thought that he was selftaught and couldnt read notes? Anyways the thing is , i have not read a single thing regarding music. Ive learned everything by myself. I learned how chords are positioned and how they are connected by just playing with it , figureing it out myself. I also learned that you need to go places thats not that predicted, makes the song much more interesting. Like you have to see the song like an story from an begining to an end. I like to just go somewhere with my chords then somehow figure out how to make it back to the original melodies so it all can make sense. But KEY is to have a musical memory i call it. You have to have an human "RAM" so to say when you create good stuff. Cause then you can come up with the whole song in your head. You can continue your writing of melodies for a long period of time if you have good memory. If you have short memory , it would almost always result in predictible melodies ,short loopy melodies or that you would just give up cause your not going anywhere and you get bored. I think Freddie had huge memory hence why he could write those complex stuff cause he had the memory to continue building on his ideas and not get insufficient memory. |
| splicksplack 23.04.2011 08:46 |
It is widely known and acknowledged that Freddie Mercury passed Grade 5 of the Associated Royal Schools of Music practical piano Grade 5 exam. That would have have been impossible without being able to read music. |
| Mercuryking 23.04.2011 09:01 |
splicksplack wrote: It is widely known and acknowledged that Freddie Mercury passed Grade 5 of the Associated Royal Schools of Music practical piano Grade 5 exam. That would have have been impossible without being able to read music. ====================================================================== Alright didnt know that but still you dont have to read anything to become a musician. Actually its almost the other way around. Music isnt something you can just read to become, its all about innerfeelings that comes out in form of notes. So one could read music his whole life and still couldnt produce something significant. Now you can always learn to play an instrument , but thats not an true musician , a true musician is the one who can write his own songs as well as playing the instrument. Those are two separate things. But you are right , there arent many people who see the difference between freddies writng and others. You have to have a sense for it to actually see in what ways freddies compositions are truely superior than others. |
| splicksplack 23.04.2011 11:49 |
I fully agree that you don't have to read music to write songs and "be a musician". However, the study of theory makes it a whole lot easier. You can bang away at the piano for ages before you come across something that sounds good or means something to you. But if you have studied music theory you will have a good idea of how to quickly achieve what you want to put across. You can also listen to other peoples music and suggest, for example, a chord change or a different bass note that can totally enhance a song or even change it's whole emotion. This is what I believe has been one of Freddie's greatest contributions. |
| Mercuryking 23.04.2011 13:49 |
Thing is , not everyone know what they want to put across. Those stuff usually just comes from inside , at least for me, i play depending on how i feel. I dont think you can just matematically throw out some cords and expect it to sound good. You have to put the chords down according to feelings, emotions. Even though Freddie went and learned to play in musical school i still dont think that was the reason he was so good. He was soo good cause he was pure emotions, he wrote off his emotions. Ultimately its all about emotions and if you cant convert your emotions into melodies then no school in the world can help you. |
| splicksplack 23.04.2011 16:25 |
Yes. But if you have the emotions and feelings within, then the knowledge of how harmony works and the relationship between the notes, then that will enable you to express those emotions on, for example, a piano, a lot quicker and more easily, rather than just playing away until something sounds right. All the great composers from Bach right up to R Vaughn Williams (who wrote extremely emotional music) fully understood musical theory. Their music follows Western musical harmony theory as it is still taught today. Also, of course Freddie's favourite Chopin. |