| Mr Mercury 18.04.2011 11:54 |
Its out there now. Brian announced on C4's Fern show today that he and Roger are working on the Freddie and Michael Jackson tracks. Brian and Kerry were on the show basically to advertised their up and coming shows. They performed an acoustic version of "I Loved A Butterfly" as well which Brian said he wrote with her (Kerry) in mind originally. |
| splicksplack 18.04.2011 13:08 |
Here we go again. Watch out Anita. |
| Vali 18.04.2011 13:22 |
splicksplack wrote: Here we go again. Watch out Anita. ////////////////////////////////// hahahahahahahaha !! we knew this could happen .... |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 18.04.2011 20:34 |
Brian says, in other words, that he preffers Kerry singing "Butterfly" than Paul Rodgers. I am not a big fan of Paul's, but there is no way she could even come near him on this one. QPR version is light years better. That's my humble opinion, anyway. Of course the Master himself is entitled to have his one, as well. :) Cheers, Ogre- |
| A Word In Your Ear 19.04.2011 00:22 |
PR version is waaaaaay better!!! |
| mike hunt 19.04.2011 01:00 |
One of the few songs on the cosmo rocks that I like.... |
| Vali 19.04.2011 01:10 |
Totally agree with you guys. The song with PR is one of the finest moments in TCR ... and the song with KE is, well ... just as almost everything she sings: annoying. I'm sorry, but can't stand her voice more than three songs in a row. It gives me headaches. |
| tonyyy 19.04.2011 02:11 |
I agree, the Paul Rodgers version is better! Tony My webpage: link |
| bigV 19.04.2011 02:41 |
Agreed - Paul sings it way better. V. |
| Vali 19.04.2011 04:27 |
Back to topic: Brian talks about "snippets", wich is intriguing. We took for granted these songs would include State of Shock and TMBMTLTT, wich Freddie and Michael recorded completely. Now, what do you think? Is "Victory" coming at last? could there also be another unknown track? |
| freddiefan91 19.04.2011 05:06 |
Freddie never finished State of Shock with Mj as MJ then gave the song to Mick Jagger to do as Freddie and Michael could not get anymore time together to finish it |
| Vali 19.04.2011 05:30 |
freddiefan91 wrote: Freddie never finished State of Shock with Mj as MJ then gave the song to Mick Jagger to do as Freddie and Michael could not get anymore time together to finish it ///////////////////////////////////////////////// well, this version looks quite "developed" to me: link |
| e-man 19.04.2011 05:48 |
paul is so much better on this one of the finest momemnts on TCR. had it been on made in heaven and had freddie on vocals, it would have been a hit |
| vetty_boop;) 19.04.2011 06:25 |
well lets see... I LOVE Micheal Jackson!!!! Having the last name myself, that is one of the reasons I am know as Wacko Jacko :P and since I also love Queen, this could be one great musical phenomena!!! :D Can't wait to hear it!!!! :DDD |
| cmsdrums 19.04.2011 10:34 |
I am interested to see which angle they take on this; Do they make it very Queen sounding, rock style with a 'guest' vocal from MJ, or do they try to make it far more a MJ sounding thing (a la Hot Space?), and have it more pop/soul/dance sounding (which if as rumoured the music is for an MJ duets style album this may be what the record company want). Roger (and to a lesser extent Brian) are capable of getting a sound that would suit MJ's vocals (akin to You Don't Fool Me), but I'd much prefer to see Freddie's vocals being given prominence, and something like There Must Be More To Life Than This being built into a big epic rock ballad with string parts, harmonies etc.. (just my preference). |
| GratefulFan 19.04.2011 11:07 |
I heard a Sirius DJ the other day referencing these tracks....he announced the exciting news that by the end of the year we would hear Freddie subbing in for Jackson and singing with Mick Jagger. Ha ha ha Sirius. |
| jondickens1 20.04.2011 04:12 |
In reply to the above fan....Freddie and Mick Jagger.......Now that would be exciting!!!!!!!!! Seriously!!!!! |
| john bodega 20.04.2011 06:15 |
There was a bit in Some Things That Glitter that really reminded me of Freddie - as hugely different as PR's voice is, it was still a nice moment. (The line 'how can it be she has it all' or some such). I wonder just how much she's pulling on Brian's phallus behind the scenes. |
| Soundfreak 20.04.2011 08:40 |
Quote: Do they make it very Queen sounding, rock style with a 'guest' vocal from MJ, or do they try to make it far more a MJ sounding thing (a la Hot Space?), and have it more pop/soul/dance sounding (which if as rumoured the music is for an MJ duets style album this may be what the record company want). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I guess when they get Brian and Roger on board, who were not involved in the original recording sessions, they are invited to give them the Queen-stamp. As done with Freddies' solo tracks on "Made in Heaven". And I think that is the best way to turn these recordings into something special. Cause the known outtakes so far have no real magic. The idea of Jackson and Mercury singing together sounds more exciting than the actual result. And I think both of them have noticed that, why else did they put the Tapes into the archives...??? So I think they try to create something like "Queen with Michael Jackson".....I'm really looking forward to the result. |
| Benn 21.04.2011 04:53 |
I've personally never understood what all the fuss is about with these tracks. Brian and Roger (and Jim with his grubby, grasping hands) know that these are worth a fortune given Jackson's fanbase, irregardless of their woth in the Queen catalogue. Now, given Jackson's death and the inevitable interest him all things "him", it's hardly surprising that these are now the focus of attention where QPL is concerned. Anything that contains these tracks will sell by the hundred thousand and that is the raison d'etre - the £ / $ involved are worth Brian's and Roger's efforts, but make virtually no difference whatsoever to the legacy of Queen IMVHO. |
| john bodega 21.04.2011 08:23 |
I swear to God, these songs belong in obscurity. |
| bigV 21.04.2011 13:25 |
Messers May, Taylor and Deacon thought the same about a certain track called "You Don't Fool Me". I'm so glad David Richards convinced them otherwise. V. |
| john bodega 22.04.2011 12:03 |
Ouch - they didn't want to use You Don't Fool Me? Double ouch! Just goes to show that they probably shouldn't be in charge of picking music by the undead... |
| bigV 22.04.2011 12:31 |
It's not that they didn't want to - they didn't think they had enough to make a complete song out of it. David Richards mixed the bits and pieces thus convincing them it was possible. Again, I'm really glad he did that. Without David Richards we would never have heard that AWESOME guitar solo - probably Brian's finest moment as a guitarist! And let's not forget those wonderful backing vocals by Roger... V. |
| strangefrontier 22.04.2011 12:51 |
Agree...ydfm is one of Brian's finest moments. |
| john bodega 22.04.2011 23:55 |
"they didn't think they had enough to make a complete song out of it." I wouldn't blame them - if you really listen to the song, you get a sense that it's made from scraps. It's a brilliant job though, and Brian's solo is fantastic. The MJ stuff should stay dead though. Enough substandard things have been sold since he died - why add to the pile? |
| bigV 23.04.2011 04:39 |
These men were able to make a whole album from scraps. You really don't trust them with these two songs? V. |
| john bodega 23.04.2011 10:10 |
Not when the source material is what it is. Things like You Don't Fool Me are workable because there isn't much there that can't be changed. Now don't get me wrong - if they take Freddie's vocals out and make an almost entirely new track for them, then it could be great. But if it's just going to be more of MJ's ridiculous, Peter Pan, "Feed the World" crap, then yeah - I'd be the first person to take a blowtorch to the recordings. |
| br5946 23.04.2011 11:48 |
bigV - I agree that You Don't Fool Me is an awesome track, one of the finest songs on MiH - and that's saying something considering that album is one of Queen's finest works. But I must side wih Zonka12 on the whole reconstructing the tracks Freddie did at Michael Jackson's home studio idea... it's plain bleeurgh! I've never been able to stand Jackson, and pnly reason I lke the demo of State of Shock is because its actually a reasonably good song. As far the Jackson-vocal version of TMBMTLTT goes - the weird plastic creep should leave it the hell alone! Freddie dominated that song on Mr. Bad Guy, and that's the way it has remained, and always will remain. If State of Shock, the alternate TMBMTLT and Victory are released, they're bound to wind up on some hyped-up 'King of Pop' CD. |
| bigV 24.04.2011 14:19 |
Sorry to hijack the topic, but I was just listening to "Some Things That Glitter" and I was thinking... I really admire Brian May, I love the man, but sometimes he's full of it. He said that he wrote the song with Kerry in mind... Is that why he wrote the lyrics about a woman? Sorry again. Rant over. V. |
| Holly2003 24.04.2011 16:12 |
bigV wrote: Sorry to hijack the topic, but I was just listening to "Some Things That Glitter" and I was thinking... I really admire Brian May, I love the man, but sometimes he's full of it. He said that he wrote the song with Kerry in mind... Is that why he wrote the lyrics about a woman? Sorry again. Rant over. V. ========================================================================================= There's 2 interpretations of what he said: the first is that he wrote it with her in mind as the vocalist. The second, is that the song is about her. That's plausible: he's known her for about 10 years and the lyrics can be interpreted as her "discovery" and watching her develop into a singer. I really hope it's the former: I had originally thought the song was about Fred :( It's been suggested here the song is a finished version of the little piano piece Brian was heard playing on the 3-video Magic Years release. Don't see that myself, but if it's true I can't see how Kerry fits in. |
| bigV 24.04.2011 17:26 |
I still think that it's about Freddie. Wings painted like the wings of butterflies and all that... V. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 24.04.2011 23:21 |
"These men were able to make a whole album from scraps. You really don't trust them with these two songs?" V. It was a disjointed album to say the least, and totally unrepresentative of Queen music. How do we trust them? Besides, and as a Queen fanatic, who cares? It'll create buzz for a few minutes, and disappear. It's not 1983 and the main parties are dead. |
| Pim Derks 25.04.2011 04:23 |
Totally unrepresentative Queenmusic? I'd say Made In Heaven is the best piece of work they've done, after the 'golden' days of 1973-1976. |
| Bohardy 25.04.2011 06:14 |
Holly wrote: There's 2 interpretations of what he said: the first is that he wrote it with her in mind as the vocalist. The second, is that the song is about her. That's plausible: he's known her for about 10 years and the lyrics can be interpreted as her "discovery" and watching her develop into a singer. I really hope it's the former: I had originally thought the song was about Fred :( It's been suggested here the song is a finished version of the little piano piece Brian was heard playing on the 3-video Magic Years release. Don't see that myself, but if it's true I can't see how Kerry fits in. ========== I was gonna say the same thing, that the song has its origins in the piano piece Butterfly. Wilki Amieva said that Brian confirmed this to him. Personally, I'm not so sure. I don't doubt Wilki, but I doubt Brian's memory and suspect he was misremembering something or was just plain confused. But I'd be interested to hear more about what Brian actually said, or what question he was asked. Brian has a tendency to make fishy retrospective claims to bolster something he's currently passionate about. |
| bigV 25.04.2011 06:20 |
Pim Derks wrote: Totally unrepresentative Queenmusic? I'd say Made In Heaven is the best piece of work they've done, after the 'golden' days of 1973-1976. -------- Amen! V. |
| Sebastian 26.04.2011 03:50 |
> I was gonna say the same thing, that the song has its origins in the piano piece Butterfly. Well, maybe Brian had his eye on six-year-old Kerry... which would mean he and MJ had more in common than HS being (according to Brian) Thriller's forerunner. > Brian has a tendency to make fishy retrospective claims to bolster something he's currently passionate about. Was thinking about this myself as of last week: everytime Brian & co did something (Made in Heaven, the musical, Paul Rodgers), Brian is very vocal about how much Freddie would've approved and loved it. Which may have been true in many cases but, it makes me wonder, does Brian think Freddie would approve of everything he's done? |
| Holly2003 26.04.2011 08:04 |
Bohardy wrote: Holly wrote: There's 2 interpretations of what he said: the first is that he wrote it with her in mind as the vocalist. The second, is that the song is about her. That's plausible: he's known her for about 10 years and the lyrics can be interpreted as her "discovery" and watching her develop into a singer. I really hope it's the former: I had originally thought the song was about Fred :( It's been suggested here the song is a finished version of the little piano piece Brian was heard playing on the 3-video Magic Years release. Don't see that myself, but if it's true I can't see how Kerry fits in. ========== I was gonna say the same thing, that the song has its origins in the piano piece Butterfly. Wilki Amieva said that Brian confirmed this to him. Personally, I'm not so sure. I don't doubt Wilki, but I doubt Brian's memory and suspect he was misremembering something or was just plain confused. But I'd be interested to hear more about what Brian actually said, or what question he was asked. Brian has a tendency to make fishy retrospective claims to bolster something he's currently passionate about. link Not sure Brian's short piano piece attained the name Butterfly (did he mention it in the doc? I can't remember) -- I can't hear any lyrics, but that word seems to be the main reason people put the two songs together. Muscially, the only thing that connects them is they are both slow-paced, but that's about it. Of course, if Brian has said specifically that's the origin then I suppose we'll have to take him at his word. And that would prove it's not about Kerry, just that he had her in mind to sing it before the collaboration with Rodgers. Or he's just trying to think of something interesting to say to fill in some interview space :) |
| Bohardy 26.04.2011 10:52 |
Here's where Wilki states that Bri himself confirmed the Butterfly / Some Things That Glitter link: link |
| john bodega 26.04.2011 13:50 |
That's interesting - apart from them both being in G, they're not all that similar. Still - if Brian says they're related, then they're related. |
| Sebastian 26.04.2011 23:30 |
All in all, here are the possibilities: * Brian had no f***ing idea what the hell was Butterfly, so when Pablo asked him he simply nodded. * Brian's memory failed ... yet again! * Brian wrote the song with 6-YO Kerry Ellis in mind. * If two songs are slow and in the same key, they're one and the same. That means any classical piano piece in F Major is automatically a Love of My Life demo and, by extension, it means Freddie didn't write it: Chopin/Beethoven/Brahms/etc. did. |
| YannickJoker 27.04.2011 01:40 |
How about the possibillity he did not really write it with Kerry in mind? |
| emrabt 27.04.2011 06:08 |
Brian had no f***ing idea what the hell was Butterfly, so when Pablo asked him he simply nodded. ======================== Q: Is "some things that glitter" based on butterfly. Brian obviously having no clue what butterfly was (To my knowledge it was fan titled.) probably thought "once i loved a butterfly" the alternative song title. A: yes |
| Sebastian 27.04.2011 09:41 |
It's not a fan title. Brian claimed it was the title of the piece when asked about it via chat (JazzWeb maybe?) around '98. Regarding the possibility he didn't write it with Kerry in mind: Of course! Hadn't thought about it. Talk about Occam's Razor. Here's another one: maybe he did write it with her in mind, but the song's not at all connected with Butterfly. |
| Fireplace 28.04.2011 18:19 |
There is one other option: many musicians scavenge their own musical history when things are not happening in the songwriting department. Brian may have unconsciously re-used a piece that he'd written many years ago and forgotten about. Or perhaps Freddie told him 6-year old Kerry would be his favourite singer in 20 years, and asked him to write a song for her. |
| Sebastian 28.04.2011 22:32 |
> Brian may have unconsciously re-used a piece that he'd written many years ago and forgotten about. That'd be plausible if both songs had something sound in common. The fact they're both ballads says nothing. AFAIR, they don't share structure, melodic rhythm or functional harmony. STTG (or whatever it's called) is just as similar to Butterly as Action This Day is to Innuendo. |