| qrock 04.04.2011 05:11 |
Recently, Queen were ranked 17th on the 100 Greatest Music Artists of All Time list on VH1. Some may argue Queen should atleast be in the top 10 and some may argue that Queen would not even deserve the top 40.The likes of Madonna (#16), Nirvana (#14), Prince (#7) are higher than Queen in the list and most of those artists are not as succesful as Queen (except Madonna) or are not as talented. Any this thread is about how does Queen rank in the Greatest music artists of all time. Succes is one matter and talent is an other. So lets take a look: Queen I - Talent (Pretty Good) - Success (Very Poor) Queen II - Talent (Outstanding) - Success (Pretty Poor) Sheer Heart Attack - Talent (Excellent) - Success (Quite Good) A Night at the Opera - Talent (Outstanding) - Success (Very Good) A Day at the Races - Talent (Excellent) - Success (Quite Good) News of the World - Talent (Quite Good) - Success (Good) Jazz - Talent (Quite Good) - Success (Okay) The Game - Talent (Pretty Good) - Success (Very Good) Hot Space - Talent (Quite Poor) - Success (Okay) The Works - Talent (Okay) - Success (Pretty Good) A Kind of Magic - Talent (Okay) - Success (Good) The Miracle - Talent (Okay) - Success (Quite Good) Innuendo - Talent (Okay) - Success (Quite Good) Made in Heaven - Talent (Pretty Good) -Success (Very Good) So Queen are quite a successful band. They are in the top 5 best selling artists in the UK, Spent the most time on the charts and have the best selling album in the UK. Bohemian Rhapsody considered in the top 5 best songs ever. A Night at the Opera considerd exceptional. Live Aid voted the best concert ever..... Queen= Pretty Succesful Band. They were exceptionally successul in South America and Germany, however the downside to Queen's success was the USA. Queen were one of the few most successul bands of all time to have failed to have failed to have made a long lasting imapct in the States. Queen therefore missed out on being more successful. Influence is another aspect and Queen have influenced so many different artits- Live Performances is another and Queen were just about the Kings of Rock concerts. Classic Album status has only been reached with A Night at the Opera. If Queen's first 5 albums were more successful, Queen's status as a classic rock artist would be higher. Most importantly, talent is what being one of the greatest artists of all tim are all about. Queen reigned a career for more than 20 years (more than Nirvana, Led Zeppelin and The Beatles). Queen's music was dynamic, inspirning and versatile. I Can't name a band who could write such contrasting and epic music as varied as Prog Rock, Metal, Opera, Vaudiville, Gospel, Disco, Synth, Arena Rock, Ragtime, Pop. Queen were so innovative they invented new styles of rock music and made a name for Stadium Rock. Queen's experimentation of different styles worked. Queen's music is exceptionally talented (partiulary 1973-1976 and also 1977-1981). It was the period after the Game that Queen's albums were shorter, not as heavy or dynamic and even lacked authentic instruments. The Works is a highly mixed album with some good tracks but it is not a classic. Perhaps these 1980s albums put Queen down a bit in the greatest music artists of all time. However you have to ask did Led Zeppelin release poor albums, was Michael Jackson a talented musician (we all know he was a fantastic performer and song writer), was Prince as amazing as Queen live, were the Rolling Stones Dynamic????? My Best Artists of all time would look like this: 10. The Beach Boys 9. The Rolling Stones 8. Jimi Hendrix 7. Dire Straits 6. Led Zeppelin 5. Elvis Pressley 4. Rush 3. Michael Jackson 2. Queen 1. The Beatles Queen are my favourie band but the Beatles are no.1 due to their influence on music and stunning popularity. Queen would not be around if it was not for the Beatles. |
| Soundfreak 04.04.2011 05:58 |
Rankings and lists like that are pretty pointless. People in Europe for example will not know any Rush - Song nor the name of any album. Polls like that may show how active the fan bases of certain bands are - but that's it. In the end only time will tell what really becomes timeless and which bands will go down in history as the greatest music artists of all time. And even if many of my favorites will not be in that list....I don't care. Those will be in that list whose songs are adopted by following generations without the artists being available or active anymore. Surely there will be the Beatles....Pink Floyd.....ABBA.....Queen.....probably Michael Jackson....who knows... |
| freddiefan91 04.04.2011 06:38 |
Considering Hot Space and News of the world both hit number 4 in the uk charts i would say that their sucess is equally as good as each other Being biased towards Queen i would put them in the top 10 best artists of all time but i couldnt say who was the best but they are one of the great artists in history of music, there songs still come on the radio several times a day and they are one of the few artists who i could listen to all day There are few others for example, Elton John Bruce Springsteen Rod Stewart Madonna and George Michael that i can do the same for and probably there are a few modern day bands around that could possibly last for a good few years for example, Take That have been around once before and come back, also Scissor Sisters Kings of Leon and muse Here is my top 10 in particular order because they are all great Queen Elton John Bruce SPringsteen Rod Stewart Marvin Gaye Bon Jovi Madonna George Midhael Aretha Franklin Bryan Adams |
| qrock 04.04.2011 06:50 |
Hey I'm European and I know Rush. I believe that Rush have quite a large following here in Glasgow. |
| master marathon runner 04.04.2011 07:19 |
Queen would not be around if it were'nt for Freddie Mercury's eclectic culture, he saw, he took in and then he conquered. . Master Marathon Runner |
| master marathon runner 04.04.2011 07:20 |
Sorry, i meant to say; nowt to do with the Beatles |
| GratefulFan 04.04.2011 08:38 |
Soundfreak wrote: People in Europe for example will not know any Rush - Song nor the name of any album. =============== LOL. Their upcoming European tour in May would like to beg to differ. |
| Soundfreak 04.04.2011 10:27 |
I'm not saying they are bad or worthless. They are excellent players and yet I couldn't name any song nor do I know anybody having one of their records.... But they are listed on that ranking mail of the "Greatest artists of all time" above on Number 4 even before Led Zeppelin and Elvis. In Germany "Rush" never had a chart song nor any album in the charts. And this Topic is about the "greatest music artists of all time". So "Rush" on Number 4 are a good example how absurd those lists are. They will not have 20 million people trying to get a ticket like Led Zeppelin..... |
| GratefulFan 04.04.2011 11:56 |
Soundfreak wrote: I'm not saying they are bad or worthless. They are excellent players and yet I couldn't name any song nor do I know anybody having one of their records.... But they are listed on that ranking mail of the "Greatest artists of all time" above on Number 4 even before Led Zeppelin and Elvis. In Germany "Rush" never had a chart song nor any album in the charts. And this Topic is about the "greatest music artists of all time". So "Rush" on Number 4 are a good example how absurd those lists are. They will not have 20 million people trying to get a ticket like Led Zeppelin..... ====================== 'Me and my friends couldn't name a Rush song' is a different statement than 'people in Europe couldn't name a Rush song'. As for Germany, they're playing a 13,000+ capacity venue in Frankfurt in May. They just received some kind of lifetime achievement award from some UK rock magazine late in 2010. Their #4 position is just in that poster's personal list, which is clearly always going to be a subjective exercise. That said, I could virtually guarantee there are literally millions of people that would rate Rush in their personal top 10. The VH1 list puts them at 75. And Rush who have never stopped touring outside a few years due to personal tragedy are hardly a reasonable comparison to a Led Zeppelin one off decades after they broke up. |
| peterkoz1 04.04.2011 12:55 |
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| scollins 04.04.2011 12:55 |
im from glasgow iand i know who RUSH are, we went to see them at bluesfest in ONTARIO CANADA last year at there new tour and they were great also there playing may this year in glasgow :) |
| qrock 04.04.2011 14:28 |
Soundfreak wrote: I'm not saying they are bad or worthless. They are excellent players and yet I couldn't name any song nor do I know anybody having one of their records.... But they are listed on that ranking mail of the "Greatest artists of all time" above on Number 4 even before Led Zeppelin and Elvis. In Germany "Rush" never had a chart song nor any album in the charts. And this Topic is about the "greatest music artists of all time". So "Rush" on Number 4 are a good example how absurd those lists are. They will not have 20 million people trying to get a ticket like Led Zeppelin..... You should go onto youtube and listen to Xanadu and you would realize that Rush are one of the most talented bands ever. They are also third in the states for most consecutive gold or platinum studio albums by a rock band. |
| brENsKi 04.04.2011 16:56 |
firstly i'd like to say...this is a rubbish thread...and not because of the topic, but because it's subjective.....you can't prove anything factual with opinions. secondly, the word "talent" is a poor one to use...cos one thing Queen always had in shedloads was talent...it's not about talent, it's about how they use it.....and so therefore your choices should've been "creativity" and "sales" thirdly, i hate hot space...but one thing i woudl always concede...it's covered in creativity/talent whatever.... fourthly, every fan of every band would put their band in the top echelons of these "all time lists".....even s-club7 lastly, just buying into your thread [briefly] 1. beatles, 2.elvis, 3. pink floyd, 4. the who, 5. led zep, 6. u2, 7. queen, maccartney [solo], 8. REM, 9. Prince, 10. Springsteen, 11. Bowie, 12. Elton, ...and for our favourite poster.......236,345,987,143,th Kiss |
| Thistle 04.04.2011 17:26 |
No. They are not one of the greatest artists of all time. They are THE greatest band of all time. |
| jamster1111 04.04.2011 18:11 |
I agree with everything you said except for the fact that you put Michael Jackson number 3. He should hardly even be in the top 50 artists of all time. He is VERY overrated and ever since he died people have been over reacting about his music. IT WASN'T THAT GOOD. |
| qrock 04.04.2011 18:45 |
jamster1111 wrote: I agree with everything you said except for the fact that you put Michael Jackson number 3. He should hardly even be in the top 50 artists of all time. He is VERY overrated and ever since he died people have been over reacting about his music. IT WASN'T THAT GOOD. Michael Jackson is highly rated because of his success. Thriller is the BEST selling album ever. Michael was also an amazing dancer, good vocalist, song writer and he wrote music for good causes such as Man in the Mirror, Earth Song and Heal the World. He was global senstation and he had talent so there is no denying that he was one of the greatest pop stars ever. |
| queenUSA 04.04.2011 22:24 |
Queen is it for me. Sure I've liked other music, been to see RUSH, MJ etc. had them all on my IPOD - but Queen is my SOUL, why else would I fly to London for the Queen exhibition for all of 1 day. Take THAT ... VH1 poll. VH1 is an arm of the American music scene so the results are biased and therefore misleading and meaningless. Imagine the same type of poll conducted by Top of the Pops (which, by the way, recently re-surfaced on BBC). |
| YannickJoker 04.04.2011 23:43 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: No. They are not one of the greatest artists of all time. They are THE greatest band of all time. ==== There is no such thing as 'THE greatest band of all time'. Just what you percieve as such. |
| mike hunt 05.04.2011 01:53 |
jamster1111 wrote: I agree with everything you said except for the fact that you put Michael Jackson number 3. He should hardly even be in the top 50 artists of all time. He is VERY overrated and ever since he died people have been over reacting about his music. IT WASN'T THAT GOOD. I agree with you about Michael's music.......but he was groundbreaking for his dancing and especially his video's. whenever he came out with a new video it was an event. Even if you didn't like him you have to admit his video's and dance moves were legendary. I still don't like his music though. |
| Soundfreak 05.04.2011 03:17 |
Grateful Fan wrote: 'Me and my friends couldn't name a Rush song' is a different statement than 'people in Europe couldn't name a Rush song'. As for Germany, they're playing a 13,000+ capacity venue in Frankfurt in May. They just received some kind of lifetime achievement award from some UK rock magazine late in 2010. Their #4 position is just in that poster's personal list, which is clearly always going to be a subjective exercise. That said, I could virtually guarantee there are literally millions of people that would rate Rush in their personal top 10. The VH1 list puts them at 75. And Rush who have never stopped touring outside a few years due to personal tragedy are hardly a reasonable comparison to a Led Zeppelin one off decades after they broke up. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< If I read the topic correctly this is about "The Greatest Music Artists of all T I M E" - it's not about personal Top 10s. And all I said is, that you can't vote them, it's T I M E that will tell what will be remembered and what will be forgotten. I have nothing against Rush at all. But a band like Led Zeppelin, that even gets millions of ticket orders although they do not exist for 30 years is closer to fullfill the "timeless interest" of people than any active band, that has a huge but specialized audience. Go and see a Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits) concert and you see mainly one generation of people sitting there. Go to see Queen or Rolling Stones shows and you find a completely mixed audience of all generations possible. That doesn't say that Knopflers music is bad at all, but probably it's less timeless than the other two. |
| mike hunt 05.04.2011 03:37 |
Soundfreak wrote: Grateful Fan wrote: 'Me and my friends couldn't name a Rush song' is a different statement than 'people in Europe couldn't name a Rush song'. As for Germany, they're playing a 13,000+ capacity venue in Frankfurt in May. They just received some kind of lifetime achievement award from some UK rock magazine late in 2010. Their #4 position is just in that poster's personal list, which is clearly always going to be a subjective exercise. That said, I could virtually guarantee there are literally millions of people that would rate Rush in their personal top 10. The VH1 list puts them at 75. And Rush who have never stopped touring outside a few years due to personal tragedy are hardly a reasonable comparison to a Led Zeppelin one off decades after they broke up. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< If I read the topic correctly this is about "The Greatest Music Artists of all T I M E" - it's not about personal Top 10s. And all I said is, that you can't vote them, it's T I M E that will tell what will be remembered and what will be forgotten. I have nothing against Rush at all. But a band like Led Zeppelin, that even gets millions of ticket orders although they do not exist for 30 years is closer to fullfill the "timeless interest" of people than any active band, that has a huge but specialized audience. Go and see a Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits) concert and you see mainly one generation of people sitting there. Go to see Queen or Rolling Stones shows and you find a completely mixed audience of all generations possible. That doesn't say that Knopflers music is bad at all, but probably it's less timeless than the other two. Worldwide Queen are above Rush, but In America Rush beats Queen. Rush sellout every show they play, and the audience is mixed, kids, middle age and even some old people thrown in for good measure. Queen on the other hand sold average on their last tour in 1982. The Paul Rodger's tour sold good worldwide, but again, in America they played a few shows and couldn't even sell out even one of them. The show I was at was 3/4 full. I know there was no freddie mercury, but in the 80's freddie was around and no one cared. rush would sell out stadiums in the 70's to the present with no problem. Even saying all that The original Queen music has become timeless and if freddie was alive I think they would sell out every show, but we'll never know for sure if they would have made a comeback in the States. |
| thomasquinn 32989 05.04.2011 06:45 |
I would be inclined to say that artistically, A Day At The Races was superior to A Night At The Opera. The greatest divergence between quality and commercial succes would, IMHO, be A Kind Of Magic, which was far more succesful than it deserved to be. |
| Pája 05.04.2011 12:05 |
1) Beatles 2) Queen 3) Pink Floyd 4) Michael Jackson 6) Elvis 7) U2 8) ABBA 9) Led Zeppelin 10) Metallica |
| Thistle 05.04.2011 12:13 |
YannickJoker wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: No. They are not one of the greatest artists of all time. They are THE greatest band of all time. ==== There is no such thing as 'THE greatest band of all time'. Just what you percieve as such. ============================================================================================= Yes, and my answer to the question is that Queen are! |
| master marathon runner 05.04.2011 14:39 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: YannickJoker wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: No. They are not one of the greatest artists of all time. They are THE greatest band of all time. ==== There is no such thing as 'THE greatest band of all time'. Just what you percieve as such. ============================================================================================= Yes, and my answer to the question is that Queen are! .'I' before the ' e' except after 'c' Master Marathon Runner |
| YannickJoker 05.04.2011 16:07 |
master marathon runner wrote: .'I' before the ' e' except after 'c' Master Marathon Runner ===== Ah, thank you! I'm not English. |
| GratefulFan 05.04.2011 16:29 |
Soundfreak wrote: If I read the topic correctly this is about "The Greatest Music Artists of all T I M E" - it's not about personal Top 10s. And all I said is, that you can't vote them, it's T I M E that will tell what will be remembered and what will be forgotten. I have nothing against Rush at all. But a band like Led Zeppelin, that even gets millions of ticket orders although they do not exist for 30 years is closer to fullfill the "timeless interest" of people than any active band, that has a huge but specialized audience. Go and see a Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits) concert and you see mainly one generation of people sitting there. Go to see Queen or Rolling Stones shows and you find a completely mixed audience of all generations possible. That doesn't say that Knopflers music is bad at all, but probably it's less timeless than the other two. ===================================== I truly don't mean to come across as rude or disrespectful, but every time you post on this thread you reveal more about how little you know about a band you're trying to say a fair bit about. Rush absolutely is a 'generations' band and their fans are no more 'specialized' than the fans of anybody else. Rush has been around for 40 flippin' years which is plenty of T I M E for them to have earned the massive and sustained respect they have. Personal tastes notwithstanding, there is nothing crazy about anybody who wants to put them in a loose group of elites with the likes of Zeppelin, whether you can personally name any of their songs or not. (And on that note I'd be willing to bet you know several of their songs, you just don't know you do) |
| GratefulFan 05.04.2011 16:38 |
scollins wrote: im from glasgow iand i know who RUSH are, we went to see them at bluesfest in ONTARIO CANADA last year at there new tour and they were great also there playing may this year in glasgow :) ============================= Sir/Ma'am, please step out of the car. What is your connection with ONTARIO CANADA? AND WHY IS YOUR FLAG TOUCHING MY FLAG?!! STOP IT!!! ;) I have nice, uncompressed raw footage of some of that Ottawa Bluesfest gig because a coworker went and brought some back for me. I was at the Quebec City show a few days later. I noticed the reference to Trailer Park Boys in your profile. You might enjoy this version of Closer to the Heart, which features Bubbles (and Ed Robertson of the Barenaked Ladies). I love it as it completely reeks of extreme Canadian-ness. |
| qrock 05.04.2011 17:33 |
GratefulFan wrote: scollins wrote: im from glasgow iand i know who RUSH are, we went to see them at bluesfest in ONTARIO CANADA last year at there new tour and they were great also there playing may this year in glasgow :) ============================= Sir/Ma'am, please step out of the car. What is your connection with ONTARIO CANADA? AND WHY IS YOUR FLAG TOUCHING MY FLAG?!! STOP IT!!! ;) I have nice, uncompressed raw footage of some of that Ottawa Bluesfest gig because a coworker went and brought some back for me. I was at the Quebec City show a few days later. I noticed the reference to Trailer Park Boys in your profile. You might enjoy this version of Closer to the Heart, which features Bubbles (and Ed Robertson of the Barenaked Ladies). I love it as it completely reeks of extreme Canadian-ness. Good video and version of that song. Strangely enough, I thought Neil Peart made a few mistakes there! |
| Soundfreak 06.04.2011 05:17 |
Grateful Fan wrote: I truly don't mean to come across as rude or disrespectful, but every time you post on this thread you reveal more about how little you know about a band you're trying to say a fair bit about. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< While you refuse to understand that I'm not saying anything about "Rush" or their quality. But in Europe and especially Germany they are no "big thing" - never ever had single or an album in the charts. I also would not expect to find german bands like "BAP" or "Die Toten Hosen" or "Pur" in a list of the "Greatest artists of all TIME". They are also around for decades and outsell many international acts, some are even successfull outside of Germany.... We cannot name or vote the "Greatest artists of all TIME", neither you nor me. It's time that will tell what music the world will remember. And so it's pointless to debate, whether Queen are among them or not. That's all I say. All that matters is whether you like them. |
| GratefulFan 06.04.2011 09:56 |
Soundfreak wrote: While you refuse to understand that I'm not saying anything about "Rush" or their quality. But in Europe and especially Germany they are no "big thing" - never ever had single or an album in the charts. I also would not expect to find german bands like "BAP" or "Die Toten Hosen" or "Pur" in a list of the "Greatest artists of all TIME". They are also around for decades and outsell many international acts, some are even successfull outside of Germany.... We cannot name or vote the "Greatest artists of all TIME", neither you nor me. It's time that will tell what music the world will remember. And so it's pointless to debate, whether Queen are among them or not. That's all I say. All that matters is whether you like them. ======================== Well, Rush, from Canada, are headlining the O2 in London in May. Let me know when "BAP" or "Die Toten Hosen" or "Pur" are headlining at the ACC in Toronto and we can talk about whether your comparison is a valid one. Clearly any discussion of anything 'of all time' can only include the time we've had so far. That is universally understood by everybody. Come on. And on that standard, Queen and Rush and Led Zeppelin and many others are all completely reasonable (if subjective) candidates for that special cluster of artists at the top. |
| Soundfreak 06.04.2011 11:37 |
Well, Rush, from Canada, are headlining the O2 in London in May. Let me know when "BAP" or "Die Toten Hosen" or "Pur" are headlining at the ACC in Toronto and we can talk about whether your comparison is a valid one. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Go to link and see where "Die Toten Hosen" were playing in 2008/2009, it begins with 20 concerts in the biggest arenas in Germany, Switzerland, Austria....then they went to Moskau ....Asia...South America...plus another dozen of big concerts and festivals in Germany.....So one concert of "Rush" in Germany in ages is not very impressive compared to that list. The world is bigger than just Canada or England. And yet I doubt that "Die Toten Hosen" will ever belong into the group of the "Greatest artists of all time"..... So far the greatest artists of all time may probably be Mozart and Beethoven. Many of our contemporary artists only have a local importance with the exception of the Beatles and maybe Elvis. Time will tell.... |
| spaceboy1972 07.04.2011 23:09 |
I prefer Smile ;-) |
| br5946 17.04.2011 13:45 |
To give the simple answer, YES! And some people have been doing their favourite artists/bands, so I'll jump on the list bandwagon... 5). Kate Bush 4). Blondie 3). The Beautiful South 2). Queen 1). The Carpenters Well, really it's a tie between the gold and silver, and Bo Rhap does grab the top spot in my top 20 fave songs ever, but The Carpenters are the only act to get two entries in the top 10. As a final tiebreaker, can we just say that Freddie is the finest male vocalist to grace this earth, and Karen is the greatest female vocalist who has (and will ever) lived? Happy? Thanks. |