| jamster1111 02.04.2011 15:10 |
Is this real or fake? link |
| pittrek 02.04.2011 15:25 |
1. No audience 2. Intentionally bad quality 3. A lot of hiss 4. Incorrect speed Keep Yourself Alive sounds like the demo version or the BBC version, Son And Daughter could be the BBC version too, Ogre Battle comes from the Oxford 73 soundcheck, Bama Lama Bama Loo - unknown, maybe even a merge of 2 versions ? |
| ole-the-first 02.04.2011 15:30 |
I can remember at least two different fakes of this gig. This recording is gonna be third :) At first, on KYA acoustic guitars can be heard. In same time with electric. Question: who played acoustic? Answer: nobody. This is edit of early demo and later recordings. And quality is awful. This gig was recorded professionally by EMI and quality should be as good as on Rainbow '74. So this is fake. |
| DJGreg 02.04.2011 16:47 |
It's from a cassette, that's a 19 years old, I've desided not to upload the whole recording to see your reactions. At first - Keep Yourself Alive and Son and Daughter are not the BBC versions, cause at the Keep Yourself Alive is a long Roger's drum solo, and at the Son and Daughter there's Brian's solo. |
| DJGreg 02.04.2011 16:49 |
I could give the whole recording only to John S. Stuart. |
| ole-the-first 02.04.2011 17:04 |
Sorry, but today is 2nd of April (even 3rd in my city). |
| DJGreg 02.04.2011 17:08 |
And if you are so deaf - there's no acoustic guitars at the sound! |
| GinjaNinja 02.04.2011 17:11 |
I can't hear an acoustic guitar, but there are still 2 guitars playing in the intro. |
| ole-the-first 02.04.2011 17:16 |
DJGreg wrote: And if you are so deaf - there's no acoustic guitars at the sound! ======== Upload the whole concert. No need to subterfuge: John S. Stuart not interested in cheap fakes. Then how do you know that tape is 19 years old? Is this your own tape? Then why you don't want to upload full version? Still can't upload? Then all you can offer us is these fake snippets. Out. |
| DJGreg 02.04.2011 17:18 |
I should'nt upload the whole concert, cause I believe it costs not a penny. |
| ole-the-first 02.04.2011 17:24 |
GinjaNinja wrote: I can't hear an acoustic guitar, but there are still 2 guitars playing in the intro. ===== Maybe you're right. Right now I'm listened with my old headphones and intro sounds to me more like 1971 demo. So maybe this is electric guitar. But from album/BBC version. |
| ole-the-first 02.04.2011 17:29 |
DJGreg wrote: I should'nt upload the whole concert, cause I believe it costs not a penny. ========= Okay. I'm gonna buy/exchange it. My email is oleggoulbkin@rambler.ru At first, send me screenshots with graph of whole concert. |
| DJGreg 02.04.2011 17:31 |
Davai ya luchshe tebe vkontakt napishu. |
| DJGreg 02.04.2011 17:34 |
link - ? |
| ole-the-first 02.04.2011 17:36 |
DJGreg wrote: Davai ya luchshe tebe vkontakt napishu. ================ Chestno govorya, mne ne nravitsa vkontakt, davay luchshe email. To be honest, I dislike Vkontakte, so better write me on my email. |
| ole-the-first 02.04.2011 17:37 |
DJGreg wrote: link - ? ========= Da, eto ya Yep, that's me |
| DJGreg 02.04.2011 17:46 |
Very well. |
| MERQRY 02.04.2011 23:18 |
If you upload a snippet of Jesus or some freddie toast i will belive you... And for the guy that said this must have the same quality as rainbow: No,this recording must has an awful quality... like an early bootleg. |
| aarongtz 02.04.2011 23:40 |
Yes, but as he's posting the soundcheck from oxford and other recordings, if he posts Jesus, he would probably post the de lane lea version with an awful quality with a lot of hiss and stuff like that... |
| MERQRY 03.04.2011 02:55 |
aaron123 wrote: Yes, but as he's posting the soundcheck from oxford and other recordings, if he posts Jesus, he would probably post the de lane lea version with an awful quality with a lot of hiss and stuff like that... -------------------------------------- Ha ha good point... Oh! Here is Jesus live at King's College Medical School (Just for fun,of course) link Anybody with a basic sound editor (For this i use audacity) can do a "rare" early live with well-know tracks.... Cheers! |
| DJGreg 03.04.2011 04:21 |
I can upload Hangman from the same source, I've never heard it before at queenzone link |
| people on streets 03.04.2011 04:59 |
Don't bore us with your stupid fake shit, loser...! Clear? |
| Hangman_96 03.04.2011 08:49 |
DJGreg wrote: I can upload Hangman from the same source, I've never heard it before at queenzone link ==== Svyatoslav, ne ver etim ludyam! Oni pitayutsa nadurit tebya. A zapis podlinnaya. |
| Ale_Pisa 03.04.2011 08:53 |
This file is currently set to private.... |
| The Real Wizard 03.04.2011 09:19 |
And here folks we have person # 246 who's pretending to have a Marquee recording... yawn. |
| ole-the-first 03.04.2011 09:37 |
Lostman wrote: DJGreg wrote: I can upload Hangman from the same source, I've never heard it before at queenzone link ==== Svyatoslav, ne ver etim ludyam! Oni pitayutsa nadurit tebya. A zapis podlinnaya. =========== Actually this is very very old fake that has been circulated in internet long-long time ago. I previously heard this one, but in much worse quality, and therefore I didn't recognize this old fake. Tracklist is: KYA/Son and Daughter (of course, KYA has never been performed live as a medley with Son and Daughter) Ogre Battle Hangman/Bama Lama Bama Loo (again, these songs has been never performed live as a medley) KYA is probably the album/BBC version mixed with some live bits origins of Son and Daughter is unclear Ogre Battle is from Oxford soundcheck Hangman is taken from Oxford '73 show origins of Bama Lama Bama Loo is unclear So make no mistake, this is old and well-known fake, just in better quality. |
| pittrek 03.04.2011 12:34 |
Lostman wrote:Wow, is that Russian ? I almost understand that :-) Something like Svyatoslav, don't trust these people, they're just asking ? trying ? to make you angry ? But no idea what's the rest, "zapis" is write ?DJGreg wrote: I can upload Hangman from the same source, I've never heard it before at queenzone link==== Svyatoslav, ne ver etim ludyam! Oni pitayutsa nadurit tebya. A zapis podlinnaya. |
| cmi 03.04.2011 12:43 |
pittrek, you almost completely recognized this phrase in russian :) Here's the correct translation: "Svyatoslav (name), don't trust these people. They try to fool you around. The recording is genuine." Very funny :) |
| Hangman_96 03.04.2011 13:04 |
pittrek wrote: Lostman wrote: DJGreg wrote: I can upload Hangman from the same source, I've never heard it before at queenzone link ==== Svyatoslav, ne ver etim ludyam! Oni pitayutsa nadurit tebya. A zapis podlinnaya. Wow, is that Russian ? I almost understand that :-) Something like Svyatoslav, don't trust these people, they're just asking ? trying ? to make you angry ? But no idea what's the rest, "zapis" is write ? ==== Yeah, that's Russian :-) "Zapis" means "recording" and the above CMI's translation is right. I'm glad you understand me! I saw some of your sentences on Slovakian and almost understood it. Do you understand Ukrainian? I speak that language too as I live in Kharkov. Nadejus mi smozhem pogovorit na etih yazikah, drug :-) |
| pittrek 03.04.2011 13:12 |
Nadejus mi smozhem pogovorit na etih yazikah, drug :-)Now we can talk about these languages, friend ? ^ I guess :-) No, seriously, I'm only guessing on these translations, but it shows how close these Slavic languages are :-) But I think this is really an off-topic :-) |
| Hangman_96 03.04.2011 13:43 |
pittrek wrote: Nadejus mi smozhem pogovorit na etih yazikah, drug :-) Now we can talk about these languages, friend ? ^ I guess :-) No, seriously, I'm only guessing on these translations, but it shows how close these Slavic languages are :-) But I think this is really an off-topic :-) ==== You're almost right! It means "Hope we can talk these languages, friend". Indeed it's an off-topic. We can do it at email if you want :-) |
| DJGreg 03.04.2011 14:56 |
Excuse me, please, for that mistake, I've really don't suspected, that it's a fake... |
| MERQRY 03.04.2011 18:31 |
i Have a question... is russian but in "English (or spanish,too) letters" Right??? I can read some (Only a bit) of russian cause i had to read some of the "Russian formalist theory of the language" and i can undertand one of two words (Anyway with the russian letters is much more dificult to read,cause the spanish and russian are both (almost) complety different) Forgive me for the questions i love the laguages and his forms... Cheers! |
| MERQRY 03.04.2011 18:37 |
DJGreg wrote: Excuse me, please, for that mistake, I've really don't suspected, that it's a fake... --------------------- Don't worry... anyway i hope that some day the true recording can be released (Officially or not) |
| Hangman_96 04.04.2011 03:10 |
MERQRY wrote: i Have a question... is russian but in "English (or spanish,too) letters" Right??? I can read some (Only a bit) of russian cause i had to read some of the "Russian formalist theory of the language" and i can undertand one of two words (Anyway with the russian letters is much more dificult to read,cause the spanish and russian are both (almost) complety different) Forgive me for the questions i love the laguages and his forms... Cheers! ==== Yes, it seems to be right in English but I don't have any ideas how is in Spanish. Of course it's difficult to understand in Russian letters if it's not your native language. I'm glad you understand two words! Can you please tell which ones do you understand? Feel free to ask my anything about Russian language. |
| Rick 04.04.2011 14:04 |
Nice try, but indeed fake. It already starts in the first few seconds: two guitars on KYA. |
| GT 13.04.2011 00:43 |
There is no recording from the Marquee in 1972, why do people still think there is? Just like there is no studio recording of Hangman out there. |
| pittrek 13.04.2011 00:50 |
GT wrote: There is no recording from the Marquee in 1972, why do people still think there is? Just like there is no studio recording of Hangman out there.With all due respect, what makes you claim that no studio recording of Hangman is "out there" ? Also are you 100% sure that there is no Marquee recording ? Because the taper claimed he sold it to QPL in the 90's if I remember correctly |
| Rick 13.04.2011 07:47 |
Yup, the Marquee recording is definitely there. |
| cmsdrums 13.04.2011 15:11 |
GT wrote: There is no recording from the Marquee in 1972, why do people still think there is? Just like there is no studio recording of Hangman out there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You've probably lit the red touchpaper now Gary! To say "there is no recording from the Marquee in 1972" is simply a silly statement to make. Yes, the show may not have been professionally recorded, and yes there may not be a audience bootleg either in the QPL archives or publicly circulated, but there is NO WAY that you, I, Jim Beach, Greg Brooks, Brian May etc..etc... can KNOW that an audience recorded bootleg does not exist. Yes, after all these years the chances of one surfacing are remote, but then again, what about examples of people finding unknown Beatles recordings on cassette in their lofts 40 years after they were stashed away, (or perhaps even more bizarrely people finding Brian May demos in a skip of all places?!!) What you mean is that your belief is that no recording of the Marquee 72 exists. The Hangman demo? Yes, I will admit that your thought on this is possibly/probably right, and you may be able to categorically state that one doesn't exist in the archives, and that according to old studio track sheets or recording logs it wasn't slated to have ever been recorded. However I'm sure in your trawls through the archives Greg has already publicly stated that he is constantly amazed at finding things that aren't catalogued, or that are not supposed to be on the tapes that they are actually on etc... In addition, Brian has often shown that whlst his physical collection of memorabilia etc.. is second to none, his memory and recollection of Queen events and history is very much surpassed by some fans' knowledge - (eg I've seen Brian state that certain songs were never performed live when we know they were, I've heard him say that certain tracks were from a specific album when they were on a different one etc...etc..), so if he swears it wasn't recorded, I wouldn't be 100% sure. Bearing all of the above in mind, perhaps you should be willing to reword your statements, certainly with regard to the Marquee, and possibly even a studio Hangman?? Cheers |
| Vali 14.04.2011 02:47 |
GT wrote: Just like there is no studio recording of Hangman out there. ----------------- That's right .... but what about "in there" ? :P |
| YourValentine 14.04.2011 03:42 |
Marquee and Hangman acetate were discussed years ago here on Queenzone - maybe before you, Gary, posted here as a regular? It was when John Stuart brought all his notes and lists to the community. About Marquee: "Queen: Unreleased Live, Marquee, London 20th December 1972 Richard Thomson: original mono reel-to-reel. (Earliest known bootleg – but dreadful quality copies). Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 154 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996. Set similar to 10th March 1992, except, Night Comes Down, See What A Fool I’ve Been, Stone Cold Crazy, and Hangman dropped from the set. New material includes Doing Alright, and Ogre Battle. Great King Rat, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Doing Alright, Ogre Battle, Keep Yourself Alive, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Bama Lama Lama" quoted from link because parts of the original QueenZone posts by John Stuart got lost but wwry.ru copied from QZ before it got lost About Hangman acetate: "Trident One-sided 10" acetates: Hangman Rock 'n roll (Jailhouse Rock) Jesus Keep Yourself Alive" Answering the question if the Hangman studio acetate does exist, John S. Stuart answered the following: "Yes it does - but a copy has NOT been "found" by Greg or QP. These acetates were sold on the open market about 20 years ago. I think I need to explain here a little about acatete pressings. simply, acetates are "works of reference" recorded on disc, of a night's session in the studio. These tracks may (or may not be) recorded on master tape (EG Many Beatles acetates DO not exist as master recordings - and there is a great Beatles bootleg called - surprisingly enough - "Unreleased Acetates"!). These discs (depending on how many are cut) are usually retained by the band - or their producers/engineers etc. I have no idea of how many "Hangman" acetates were cut, but there is a world of difference between "can't be found - and - does not exist". Remember, I am writing what "I" KNOW about. The exciting thing for me is to find out about what I do NOT know about!" Quoted from link I think John never answered the question if he owns a copy and I would not ask him since it is none of my business but I am sure he has seen one :-) |
| Negative Creep 14.04.2011 05:01 |
Although, not all that info is 100% correct. An acetate doesn't indicate whether something is a work in progress or not - it is merely a pre-vinyl pressing, pressed up to see what something sounds like before entering production. The more modern equivalents would be DAT and then CD-R. Mastering houses would often press up acetates so their client could approve the finished master. The fact that an acetate exists of something confirms that at some point, both the original multitracks tape and then (possibly multiple) stereo mix tapes would have existed - at some point. If this track does exist (this has never been proven in any way) then it is extremely unfourtunate that QP managed to lose multiple tape copies of it. |
| bigV 15.04.2011 12:17 |
pittrek wrote: No, seriously, I'm only guessing on these translations, but it shows how close these Slavic languages are :-) "Zapis" means "a recording". It's the same in Bulgarian as it is in Russian. Indeed, Slavic languages ARE very similar. You'd be surprised how similar Bulgarian is to Czech. V. |